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Post by thehermit on Aug 5, 2023 23:22:03 GMT
That's you've witnessed obviously.
Don't know why I'm asking, just thought there might be some interesting stories for the more senior posters.
From my perspective, as someone in their 30s:
2019
2011
2008
2023
2002
2015
2005
Dad always reckons the 1972 replay was a though one to be at, cause it was the end of the two Mickos. He remembers O'Connell pretending to tie his shoe laces late on just to get a breather cause he was so gassed.
Obviously in his opinion 82 was horrific but for for some reason when you press him he'll talk about 72 first.
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Post by augustafield on Aug 5, 2023 23:46:11 GMT
1982 - will never forget - worst ever
2011 - inevitable the way the final plays were happening
2019 - drawn match - now that one we did throw away
2002 - sore but acceptable because it was Armagh
2015 - wet drenched eye gouged
2005 - no answer
2008 - see 2005
2023 - still suffering because we didn’t take chances .
1972 - the two Mickos had no more to give to Kerry and bowed out gracefully
with our thanks and affection .
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Post by orangerhyme on Aug 6, 2023 0:43:24 GMT
For me personally 2008 and 2023 are the worst, as both times we were good enough to beat a traditional rival but we didn't perform the best to our abilities.
2011 the ref was helping Dublin and we threw it away. Cluxton's free wasn't a foul. It's just BS.
2015 we just weren't good enough.
2019 we blew it but I wasn't confident before the match anyway.
This year's definitely one of the worst.
If we didn't gift them a goal and Clifford kicks a couple more points, we win comfortably by maybe 3 or 4 points.
Completely different narrative then: Dessie to go, Dublin are past it, Clifford is POTY, Kerry going for 3 in a row, we're set to dominate rest of decade, Jack O'C gets his first back to back etc.
2008 would've ended the "Team of the decade" debate. Also we'd have won 4 in a row maybe (06,07,08,09) and might've got to 5.
We had much better players than Tyrone but they beat us tactically.
Then in '11 we'd be going for 6 in a row.
We'd a good age profile in 08.
I think tactically we came up short. Kept hitting high ball in to the twin towers when we should've just played football. We had Gooch and Declan. The two best footballers in Ireland.
Maybe some good can come from defeats as victories create a different narrative and paper over the cracks. For example in 2014 we should've really lost to Mayo.
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Post by kerryfan2022 on Aug 6, 2023 6:06:07 GMT
I still think 2011 was the worst.
Not even a free and then Dublin joe neatly got choked blowing up the final whistle.
Ger Brennan also shud have got the road in the final for taking Declan Sullivan straight out of it
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Post by southward on Aug 6, 2023 9:26:14 GMT
Is this the forum equivalent of the psychiatrist's couch?
The PSTD thread.
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Post by wayupnorth on Aug 6, 2023 9:39:18 GMT
1982 was far and away the worst. I’m still recovering from the shock of it.
The drawn 2019 was probably next (not technically a defeat) because it gave us false hope when we nearly closed the deal and we came back for the replay without a plan B.
2011 was gut wrenching but don’t just blame the ref. Just like the last outing a goal from nowhere gave Dublin enough hope to go on and win.
2015 was down to poor management on a wet day. Not allowing the captain to lead the team in the parade was a huge psychological blunder - the small thing on which a game can turn.
2008 was finely balanced and could have gone either way but it was the second loss in a Final to Tyrone in that decade ( and indeed ever).
I think it’s far too early to say where 2023 fits in. It will probably have to be judged from the perspective of at least the next five years.
And on the bright side, isn’t it great that we can have this conversation because we have won and lost more Finals than any other county.
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Post by thehermit on Aug 6, 2023 10:34:36 GMT
Is this the forum equivalent of the psychiatrist's couch? The PSTD thread. Yes pull up a chair... |
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 6, 2023 11:29:31 GMT
76 was another that hurt
Can't change the past - sounds obvious but so true.
51 weeks left till redemption - hopefully.......
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Post by southward on Aug 6, 2023 11:29:58 GMT
Is this the forum equivalent of the psychiatrist's couch? The PSTD thread. Yes pull up a chair... Ok, thanks... There's this bogeyman that haunts my dreams. His name's Joe and he's from Cavan. Or is it Dublin? The sound of his whistle merges with my screams as I wake up in a cold sweat. It's 2011 every night, there's no escape. |
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Post by orangerhyme on Aug 6, 2023 11:45:51 GMT
I know it's a semi final but if you watch this incident at 1:48:00 in the video and 54:30 on the clock.
That should be a second yellow for Johnny Cooper as it's a blatant trip. So he should've been sent off.
Also watch Philly McMahon in the replays. He kicks Gooch in the head, so should be a straight red.
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Post by thehermit on Aug 6, 2023 12:02:43 GMT
Ok, thanks... There's this bogeyman that haunts my dreams. His name's Joe and he's from Cavan. Or is it Dublin? The sound of his whistle merges with my screams as I wake up in a cold sweat. It's 2011 every night, there's no escape. 🤣 |
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Post by thehermit on Aug 6, 2023 12:03:39 GMT
76 was another that hurt Can't change the past - sounds obvious but so true. 51 weeks left till redemption - hopefully....... Last Sunday night I tested an obscure theory of how if you drink enough you can go back in time. Still woke up on Monday morning 😔 |
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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 6, 2023 15:30:35 GMT
They all haunt, and I can only recall 76 onwards...
2011 waa a sickener as waa 2002 and they were games we were totally in control of but threw away
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Post by dano on Aug 6, 2023 15:31:52 GMT
'76 (Not There) After the glory of '75 it was hard to take
'82 There in the rain. 18 at the time and just moved to Dublin. Never got over it really.
2023 There and rain again, nervy uncomfortable day I had a bad feeling about.
2019 There, left it behind us but not too bad as it was a draw.
2005 There, Eye poke moment swung the game in Their favour.
2008 There, better team won that day. Enough said. Came back the following
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Post by sullyschoice on Aug 6, 2023 19:00:07 GMT
1982
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 6, 2023 20:18:08 GMT
They all haunt, and I can only recall 76 onwards... 2011 waa a sickener as waa 2002 and they were games we were totally in control of but threw away Agree , they all haunt. The loss to Tyrone, for me, in ‘08 was the worst loss tactically. Tyrone & Wexford played after our replay with Cork - Tyrone’s half backs, were fast and broke at pace - I couldn’t see the s starting the same wing forwards vs Tyrone as we did in the Cork match. Our approach in ‘08 was awful - we went with the same two wingers, dropped Tommy Griffin from the team & went with Star & Tommy inside - I was astounded with Pat O’Shea’s selections & tactics; a friend of mine was one of the physios & told me that at half time, some of the forwards complained about the high ball going in & wanted to change up things - they were told that the tactic wouldn’t change. I heard Seán Cavanagh talking a few years ago about that game - Tyrone’s biggest worry was would happen if Kerry played the ball through Declan & Gooch!! On top of that, Dara spent 40 mins chasing Kieran Hughes around the pitch like a dog following crows until he was spent!! 2015 ranks after that as I felt that we would have Dublin’s number - not playing Star ⭐️ from the start & lumbering David ( Moran) with the captaincy were what beat us - Galvin coming on was the last straw!! |
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Post by hesflying on Aug 6, 2023 20:23:50 GMT
All Ireland defeats are all the same. Same feeling u get for each
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Post by orangerhyme on Aug 6, 2023 20:26:16 GMT
They all haunt, and I can only recall 76 onwards... 2011 waa a sickener as waa 2002 and they were games we were totally in control of but threw away Agree , they all haunt. The loss to Tyrone, for me, in ‘08 was the worst loss tactically. Tyrone & Wexford played after our replay with Cork - Tyrone’s half backs, were fast and broke at pace - I couldn’t see the s starting the same wing forwards vs Tyrone as we did in the Cork match. Our approach in ‘08 was awful - we went with the same two wingers, dropped Tommy Griffin from the team & went with Star & Tommy inside - I was astounded with Pat O’Shea’s selections & tactics; a friend of mine was one of the physios & told me that at half time, some of the forwards complained about the high ball going in & wanted to change up things - they were told that the tactic wouldn’t change. I heard Seán Cavanagh talking a few years ago about that game - Tyrone’s biggest worry was would happen if Kerry played the ball through Declan & Gooch!! On top of that, Dara spent 40 mins chasing Kieran Hughes around the pitch like a dog following crows until he was spent!! 2015 ranks after that as I felt that we would have Dublin’s number - not playing Star ⭐️ from the start & lumbering David ( Moran) with the captaincy were what beat us - Galvin coming on was the last straw!! 100% on 08. That's exactly how I felt. We would've beaten them just playing football. The high ball wasn't working. At the same time, huge respect for Mickey Harte. He was brilliant tactically and basically invented modern football. Dublin then perfected it. 2015 I felt Dublin were just better than us and would've won regardless. But still maybe we didn't play to our strengths. If we started Donaghy, it would've forced Cian O'S back and created space for Darren O'S. But we didn't start either. |
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Post by kerry97 on Aug 7, 2023 9:26:54 GMT
2011 was by far the worst for me .
I was sitting in the Lower Cusack about 15 rows up from the sideline between the 65 and the 45 towards the Hill 16 end .
I remember in the first half we were poor enough and I think we only scored 1-2/3 or something like that . I recall that we had a goal chance that was drove straight at Cluxton .
Second half we were much more fluid but you could see we were an ageing team , I remember Brosnan blocked one in the goal mouth and I was fairly sure we would win form there . I recall we had a free with about 9/10minutes to go and we were 5 up . It was probably 55 yards and Bryan Sheehan just pulled it wide . I think we would have kicked on and won easy had it gone over .
I always remember the goal , Aidan O Mahony made a run towards the Hogan Stand side to make himself available and the gap in the middle of our defence appeared, the hand pass went a stray and I think AOM slipped on the turn. Dublin collected the intercept and released Alan Brogan and McManamon . They had a two man overlap , O'Gara fixed a defender by running straight down the middle and the ball passed from Brogan to McManamon and he slalomed his way by a couple of defenders and struck it low and hard across Kealy into the bottom left hand corner .
The phrases " the stadium shook" or "you should hear the roar" are used far to much but in my view it was the only time I have ever experienced that noise , it was unbelievable . I remember Brogan playing the ball to McManomon and everyone in the stadium getting up on their feet , that thudding noise of the plastic seat hitting the plastic backing was unforgettable , it was like the entire energy of the stadium in that moment was moving as wave from the Davin Stand to the Hill and Kevin McManomon was on the crest of it .
What followed with hindsight was not surprising, we were rattled and I don't think their is a team on the planet that wouldn't have been , the noise and the energy that followed for the 90 seconds after the goal was hard to describe . We then put the kickout over the sideline and Dublin scored again . I think Kevin Nolan then put them in front with a point before Donaghy kicked one of the most clutch equalisers I have ever seen , it was a ridiculous score , under pressure on the turn , 40 plus yards out under the Cusack stand with the season slipping away .
Alas Dublin got one last play and the free shot at glory sailed over the bar and into the Hill .
A man from Laois then told me was delighted we lost as he was sick of looking at us in Croke Park while ironically shaking my hand .
12 years have nearly passed since then and I no longer like Thin Lizzy but it could be worse , we could be leaking 8-16 in the Tailteann Cup .
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Post by themanfromthewest on Aug 7, 2023 10:32:43 GMT
2008 and 2011 were both killer defeats, none before nor after hurt as much IMO
We were good enough to win both games. I watched the 2011 game back after I got home from the match and couldn’t believe the carry on by McQuillan, II generally take defeat on the chin and don’t get involved in ref bashing but it was very hard to be gracious after that one, Dublin were handed that win IMO.
2008 was equally disappointing, I have no doubt in my mind that we had a superior team at that stage but we played the whole game on Tyrone’s terms and appeared to have learned nothing from previous meetings with them. You had to hand it to Mickey Harte and his players that day, they nailed it, but very disappointing from a Kerry perspective.
Thankfully we have had some very good days since. The 2014 final was the best day I remember in Croke Park with the minors and seniors both winning.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 7, 2023 10:51:10 GMT
I wonder does 2011 hurt more or less if you blame the ref, or attribute a large part of the loss to the ref?
2011 stunned me and I don't blame the ref at all. Would it be even worse if I was like, what seems like, the most of people?
I concur with Kerry97 on the noise in the stadium and Donaghy's ridiculous poont.
The noise in the stadium was a rumble, an explosion, a riot. And it was shocking.
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 7, 2023 12:05:04 GMT
Perhaps it's a recency bias but the hurt from losing the final to Dublin in 2023 remains acute.
One can try and pretend otherwise but beating Dublin in any other game won't be enough or hold the same gravitas unless it is an All Ireland final, when it ultimately matters. I'm sick of losing finals to Dublin. Perhaps we can win an All Ireland in 2024 and beat Dublin on the way, but to beat them in a final would be the ultimate as it is for them. The wait since 1985 goes on and while it remains a small consolation to remain ahead on titles won but for how long more? If and when that record goes nothing will hurt Kerry more.
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Post by ciarrai74 on Aug 9, 2023 19:55:04 GMT
All defeats hurt but i left Croke Park in a trance this year [2023]. It HURT more than anything i've ever known. We have lost so much against this Dublin squad since 2011. So many games taken from our grasp by fine margins with the winning scores always kicked into Hill 16 [daggers to the heart].
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Post by orangerhyme on Aug 9, 2023 20:10:37 GMT
All defeats hurt but i left Croke Park in a trance this year [2023]. It HURT more than anything i've ever known. We have lost so much against this Dublin squad since 2011. So many games taken from our grasp by fine margins with the winning scores always kicked into Hill 16 [daggers to the heart]. 100%. This is one of the worst. It must worse for the players. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 9, 2023 22:49:11 GMT
I have a framed picture of the 1986 team on my wall, hard to comprehend that was the last time we beat Dublin in a decider.. mind boggling
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 10, 2023 5:44:05 GMT
I have a framed picture of the 1986 team on my wall, hard to comprehend that was the last time we beat Dublin in a decider.. mind boggling 1985? |
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Post by homerj on Aug 10, 2023 12:44:20 GMT
2002 and 2011 are the worst. dont think either of them will ever be topped. this year was a fair even game and we lost last 2 minutes. those games we absolutely blew both games after being 5 and 4 points up and fell apart....it seems to happen us quite a bit in close finals sadly  |
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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 10, 2023 13:04:42 GMT
I have a framed picture of the 1986 team on my wall, hard to comprehend that was the last time we beat Dublin in a decider.. mind boggling 1985? Sorry, yes.. 85 |
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Post by homerj on Aug 10, 2023 14:20:56 GMT
the fact we didnt play Dublin in a final for 26 years has a part to play in this too, being fair. weve lost 4 in a row since 2011, 2 were level in 73rd min and 1 after a replay.
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Post by dc84 on Aug 10, 2023 14:33:20 GMT
the fact we didnt play Dublin in a final for 26 years has a part to play in this too, being fair. weve lost 4 in a row since 2011, 2 were level in 73rd min and 1 after a replay. Bit like cluxton not conceding a goal since 2019 never mind the fact he wasn't playing since! There does be some load of blocks written ! The one I'm not looking forward to is when dublin pass us on roll of honour which probably will happen. |
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