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Post by onlykerry on Jul 3, 2023 13:54:00 GMT
You are deflecting, first it was Armagh then Dublin. Last year Kerins O'Rahillys played Kilmacud in the All-Ireland club semi final. It was a great game of football. I can think of 3 times ( and there are probably more) when clubs from Kerry played Tyrone clubs and the football was secondary to the physical battle resulting in injuries, red cards, suspensions, fines and embarrassing headlines for fellas who just wanted to play football. It is endemic in Tyrone football. A lot comes down to the referee and his team of officials - players will push the boundaries of what they can get away with and referees who dish out 2 yellows because they don't know what happened simply feed the cynical process. All too often in the GAA the guy who reacts get more severely punished than the guy who instigates a situation. Perhaps a citing process with retrospective bans (severe enough to be a deterrent) could help the situation but better team work from the officials (including trained umpires who are not simply friends or clubmates of the ref) would help. You referenced the Rahilly's Kilmacud game - yes a decent game but another example of weak refereeing - Kilmacrud used systematic fouling to stop Rahilly's (on Moran in particular) which the referee did not stamp down on. I have sympathy for referees in the main and feel they need more help either in real time from their support team or severe retrospective action for "unsporting" behaviour by players. Would love to have a few secret microphones deployed during games to pick up the sledging and shame those involved.
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Post by pipsqueak01 on Jul 3, 2023 14:03:13 GMT
Figures from the Indo hereunder. Those who were there might have Foley at more that the 7 he gets, ah jazus David at 7 - say no more, suffice as to say I'd like to know how much silverware in Colm Keys' dresser! Kerry: S Ryan 7; G O’Sullivan 8, J Foley 7, T O’Sullivan 8; P Murphy 7, T Morley 7, G White 7; D O’Connor 9, J Barry 8; D Moynihan 7, S O’Shea 8, A Spillane 7; P Clifford 7, D Clifford 7, P Geaney 7. Subs: S O’Brien 7 for Spillane (51); T Brosnan 7 for Geaney (51); B Ó Beaglaoich 6 for White (57); M Burns 6 for Moynihan (59); M Breen 6 for Foley 64). The foundations of the victory were built on the midfield and defence, and I include the keeper in this, none of whom should have scored less than an 8. Foley did an exceptional "number" on DMc and did not give him a sniff. Paul Murphy was fantastic in the second half, turning on a six pence on two different occasions that sent two incoming Tyrone players for fish and chips! Ryan was as cool as a cucumber throughout, marshalling all in front of him, finding his man on short kicks and breaking up the field as necessary. I do however agree with the 7 for David Clifford, even with his moment of brilliance and even with his drawing the defenders to him. He snatched at a few too many low percentage efforts when he should have recycled. In many ways, winning without David hitting the ridiculous heights he often hits was also very welcome. Sums up my thoughts exactly
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jul 3, 2023 14:11:16 GMT
In case it hasn't already been flagged, there are what I think mighty be official, well at least perfect resolution, clips of yesterday on YouTube, e.g. Clifford's magic, Mon/Armagh penalties.
GAAGo guilt or not, who cares!
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 3, 2023 14:28:48 GMT
You are deflecting, first it was Armagh then Dublin. Last year Kerins O'Rahillys played Kilmacud in the All-Ireland club semi final. It was a great game of football. I can think of 3 times ( and there are probably more) when clubs from Kerry played Tyrone clubs and the football was secondary to the physical battle resulting in injuries, red cards, suspensions, fines and embarrassing headlines for fellas who just wanted to play football. It is endemic in Tyrone football. A lot comes down to the referee and his team of officials - players will push the boundaries of what they can get away with and referees who dish out 2 yellows because they don't know what happened simply feed the cynical process. All too often in the GAA the guy who reacts get more severely punished than the guy who instigates a situation. Perhaps a citing process with retrospective bans (severe enough to be a deterrent) could help the situation but better team work from the officials (including trained umpires who are not simply friends or clubmates of the ref) would help. You referenced the Rahilly's Kilmacud game - yes a decent game but another example of weak refereeing - Kilmacrud used systematic fouling to stop Rahilly's (on Moran in particular) which the referee did not stamp down on. I have sympathy for referees in the main and feel they need more help either in real time from their support team or severe retrospective action for "unsporting" behaviour by players. Would love to have a few secret microphones deployed during games to pick up the sledging and shame those involved. Absolutely agree on referees & their tolerance of fouls - Dias, in the KO’R game committed SEVEN personal fouls before seeing yellow - Gough would have carded him after 2nd but certainly on the 3rd foul. The contrast is that Lonergan, Tipp ref who officiated KO’R vs Eire Og issued 2 yellows to Moran where neither foul was probably a yellow. The better refs seem to get it right more often. Having seen all the weekend games, still wonder how Lane & McQuillan in particular are still on the inter county list!
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Post by colinsworth1 on Jul 3, 2023 15:36:29 GMT
Great to hear the happy response in Kerry Really needed that performance
1 mentally we over came the block that was there that had to go hand in hand with the massive effort throughout Ironically Paddy Tally was the architect of the manic swarm defence that we first met in 2003 and again despite being forewarned in 2005 Jack getting the arsonist to be the firefighter Looks like a smart move now Micko went to Joe Keohane after the 77 defeat by Dublin
Defensive huge on Saturday But looks like we finally got the performance that was required from DOC. Why that didn’t come consistent Earlier can’t figure at all I ll guess that both he and Jack Barry We’re previously instructed to sit back and play a holding midfield but some one must have finally said to Diarmuid to cut loose and go for it which he did thankfully Let’s hope he s allowed to express himself and go for the jugular from here on out One holding midfielder is enough !! It feels like we have a brand new player I could say the same for Seanie O Shea Looks like he’s back i honestly forgot how good a ball player that he is maybe we need David to be a supplier as well as a finisher also Seanie was denied a goal when Disrmuid went to blast the ball with Seanie wide open in front of goals Hope we can unearth a few more gems within our ranks Maybe a defender this time
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jul 3, 2023 16:07:18 GMT
Figures from the Indo hereunder. Those who were there might have Foley at more that the 7 he gets, ah jazus David at 7 - say no more, suffice as to say I'd like to know how much silverware in Colm Keys' dresser! Kerry: S Ryan 7; G O’Sullivan 8, J Foley 7, T O’Sullivan 8; P Murphy 7, T Morley 7, G White 7; D O’Connor 9, J Barry 8; D Moynihan 7, S O’Shea 8, A Spillane 7; P Clifford 7, D Clifford 7, P Geaney 7. Subs: S O’Brien 7 for Spillane (51); T Brosnan 7 for Geaney (51); B Ó Beaglaoich 6 for White (57); M Burns 6 for Moynihan (59); M Breen 6 for Foley 64). The foundations of the victory were built on the midfield and defence, and I include the keeper in this, none of whom should have scored less than an 8. Foley did an exceptional "number" on DMc and did not give him a sniff. Paul Murphy was fantastic in the second half, turning on a six pence on two different occasions that sent two incoming Tyrone players for fish and chips! Ryan was as cool as a cucumber throughout, marshalling all in front of him, finding his man on short kicks and breaking up the field as necessary. I do however agree with the 7 for David Clifford, even with his moment of brilliance and even with his drawing the defenders to him. He snatched at a few too many low percentage efforts when he should have recycled. In many ways, winning without David hitting the ridiculous heights he often hits was also very welcome. 5 Kerry players on football team of the week - Jason Foley, Tadhg Morley, Diarmuid O'Connor, Sean O'Shea and David Clifford.Try that for size! I suppose TV favours scorers and while Jason and Tadhg were visibly good from the couch, DO'C and SO'S were truly awesome - great that MF came through so we must trust in Jack and in fairness it is well earned.
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Post by rj on Jul 3, 2023 16:20:28 GMT
You see its a question of perspective. At what level is your tolerance? For example I thought there was a huge amount of what I will call "deliberate physicality" off the ball on Saturday only to be shown another incident on the Sunday game, a deliberate assault on Graham O'Sullivan, one that if it happened on O'Connell St would result in a period of imprisonment. Have you any comment on that incident? It is time to hold the mirror in front of the nose. Absolutely. I don't post much but I'm an avid reader of the contributions on the forum. The reality is that any team that wins an all-Ireland has a hard edge to them. In Kerry we focus in on the actions of some of the Tyrone and Dublin players because they are the only teams that have consistently beaten us in big games since the 2000s. I'm sure that the Cork and Mayo teams are every bit as "physical" as the Tyrone teams but it's not something that registers with us as we have consistently beaten them when it comes to the crunch. Most Cork supporters would have a dim view of some of the actions of Galvin and Kennelly from our past meetings. I don't think anyone would argue that McCurry should have been sent off on Saturday. What he did was petulant and borne out of the frustration of his team losing and him being well beaten by Jason Foley. It also didn't look like there was any great force in the punch.
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Post by dc84 on Jul 3, 2023 16:35:50 GMT
Our gk defenders seanie and Adrian were 8s minimum imo also on seanie since mayo game (and clearing up of injury) he has scored Vs Cork 0-5 0-3 play 0-2 frees Vs louth 1-8 1-3 play 3f 1 45 and 1m Vs tyrone 1-5 1-2 play 2f 1 45
That's 2-18 2-8 play 7f 2 45 and 1m
The old adage of form being temporary and class permanent comes to mind
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Post by southward on Jul 3, 2023 16:42:12 GMT
I see it was removed due to copyright.. So we can't even see our game 2 days later now. What kind of spiteful carry on is this? National sport eh? Shame on GAAGO and shame on the GAA.
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Post by dc84 on Jul 3, 2023 17:15:35 GMT
I don't post much but I'm an avid reader of the contributions on the forum. The reality is that any team that wins an all-Ireland has a hard edge to them. In Kerry we focus in on the actions of some of the Tyrone and Dublin players because they are the only teams that have consistently beaten us in big games since the 2000s. I'm sure that the Cork and Mayo teams are every bit as "physical" as the Tyrone teams but it's not something that registers with us as we have consistently beaten them when it comes to the crunch. Most Cork supporters would have a dim view of some of the actions of Galvin and Kennelly from our past meetings. I don't think anyone would argue that McCurry should have been sent off on Saturday. What he did was petulant and borne out of the frustration of his team losing and him being well beaten by Jason Foley. It also didn't look like there was any great force in the punch. Good post jeez that punch was fairly mild in grand scheme hardly in the paidi o se category ! I've gotten a lot worse in training ( says more about me really) if you ran up to a lad and hit him a fair shoulder on any street in Ireland I'd imagine that might land you in trouble aswell tbf
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 3, 2023 18:24:09 GMT
I don't post much but I'm an avid reader of the contributions on the forum. The reality is that any team that wins an all-Ireland has a hard edge to them. In Kerry we focus in on the actions of some of the Tyrone and Dublin players because they are the only teams that have consistently beaten us in big games since the 2000s. I'm sure that the Cork and Mayo teams are every bit as "physical" as the Tyrone teams but it's not something that registers with us as we have consistently beaten them when it comes to the crunch. Most Cork supporters would have a dim view of some of the actions of Galvin and Kennelly from our past meetings. I don't think anyone would argue that McCurry should have been sent off on Saturday. What he did was petulant and borne out of the frustration of his team losing and him being well beaten by Jason Foley. It also didn't look like there was any great force in the punch. A very fair comment, And infairness I don't think that Tyrone team are dirty or nasty. Imagine what the 00s team would have done to Clifford. I think it's a collective number of incidents and that is the image they now have, not just in Kerry.
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Post by taggert on Jul 3, 2023 19:16:35 GMT
I think a level of pushing, sledging and oneupmanship is now practically de rigueur in most must win/must not lose championship games. Its all part of the psychological warfare that players are almost encouraged to wage on their direct opponent to get inside their head, put them off and rattle them, so to speak. Its moved well beyond the jersey tug, the push, the trip or the shout when a lad is taking a free! All teams are at it to varying degrees. I'm sure many Donegal fans wanted to confront O'Mahony for literally standing on Murphys toes and making his life a misery throughout the final. At the start of the quarter final last year versus Mayo all the Mayo forwards in unison shoved their Kerry markers vigorously in the chest when taking up their positions before the throw in - players are now told to lay down markers, win their individual battles and to do whatever it takes. (Incidentally it did Mayo little good!). We might not like it when our players are at the end of it, but we do it ourselves too - otherwise a player is a beaten docket. Policing the totality of all these incidents in a game would take some doing. The punch by McCurry was clear and if not picked up in real time, could easily be cited after.
I'd hate for the poster Tyroneperson, who seems a sound one, to be hounded away from the forum. He has no control over what a player says or does but I dare say Paudie Clifford is well able to look after himself too, physically and verbally.
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Post by tyroneperson on Jul 3, 2023 20:36:28 GMT
I think a level of pushing, sledging and oneupmanship is now practically de rigueur in most must win/must not lose championship games. Its all part of the psychological warfare that players are almost encouraged to wage on their direct opponent to get inside their head, put them off and rattle them, so to speak. Its moved well beyond the jersey tug, the push, the trip or the shout when a lad is taking a free! All teams are at it to varying degrees. I'm sure many Donegal fans wanted to confront O'Mahony for literally standing on Murphys toes and making his life a misery throughout the final. At the start of the quarter final last year versus Mayo all the Mayo forwards in unison shoved their Kerry markers vigorously in the chest when taking up their positions before the throw in - players are now told to lay down markers, win their individual battles and to do whatever it takes. (Incidentally it did Mayo little good!). We might not like it when our players are at the end of it, but we do it ourselves too - otherwise a player is a beaten docket. Policing the totality of all these incidents in a game would take some doing. The punch by McCurry was clear and if not picked up in real time, could easily be cited after. I'd hate for the poster Tyroneperson, who seems a sound one, to be hounded away from the forum. He has no control over what a player says or does but I dare say Paudie Clifford is well able to look after himself too, physically and verbally. I'm grand. I just check in now and again, I've been part of this forum for probably 15 years. Nearly everyone is very reasonable here in my experience. I was watching from the stands on Saturday. I'm not sure if Tyrone's sledging etc was worse than usual (it probably was), sometimes you get a better view of that kind of thing on the telly. Just noticed a lot of niggle between Paudie Clifford and Conor Meyler. If our behaviour was worse than usual, it's either a sign of weakness or a sign that Tyrone felt Kerry would 'wilt' under that type of thing. Obviously McCurry's punch was indefensible. Anyway it was probably a cathartic sort of result for both teams in a way. Kerry proved a point and Tyrone know where and truly where we stand in the pecking order. We could excuse last year but after this season, we know we're miles behind. And I'd say the next time the two teams meet in championship fare, there'll be no nonsense talked in the build up about Tyrone having a hoodoo over Kerry etc. In that respect I think that narrative has been banished forever and for me it had the feeling of a book being closed on a rivalry. It isn't a natural rivalry like Tyrone-Derry or Dublin-Kerry and it's hard to foresee Tyrone claiming a big championship win over Kerry in the near future anyway.
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Post by jackiel on Jul 3, 2023 20:42:10 GMT
Thrilled with Saturday's performance, I'll be a spectator for the semi final ( first time in CP since Down in 2010). I was pitchside for the match and on 2 occasions witnessed Tyrone players bring closed fists down on Kerry heads. Much has been said about the performances of all the players so I won't repeat but will give Adrian Spillane a mention because he did exactly what I hoped he would, he brought the edge. Again it was a privilege to see DC bring off another stroke of genius.
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 3, 2023 22:04:16 GMT
I suppose that will become for David the kick that half a million people will say they were there and saw it live just like Mikey’s chip and Maurice’s free in Thurles.
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Post by Zubie on Jul 3, 2023 22:11:16 GMT
I see it was removed due to copyright.. So we can't even see our game 2 days later now. What kind of spiteful carry on is this? National sport eh? Shame on GAAGO and shame on the GAA. Found this on YouTube, quality isn't great but it's about watchable:
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Post by exiled on Jul 3, 2023 22:47:29 GMT
Having watched the game back twice I have to say that we were very good. And on Tyrone's behalf I will say that the 2 Canavan boys are a credit to Peter. Class just like him.
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Post by kot on Jul 4, 2023 0:52:43 GMT
I suppose that will become for David the kick that half a million people will say they were there and saw it live just like Mikey’s chip and Maurice’s free in Thurles. Keep your ticket!!!!!!!!!!!! Was there for both Saturdy and Fitz’s kick (on the 45 for former, behind the goal for the latter…. Prime views). I was only 1 year old for the chip so would be lying through my teeth to claim to have been at that 😂😂
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Post by sullyschoice on Jul 4, 2023 1:01:24 GMT
Having watched the game back twice I have to say that we were very good. And on Tyrone's behalf I will say that the 2 Canavan boys are a credit to Peter. Class just like him. 2 class players like their Dad Both Canavans are fabulous players but Darragh went down in my estimation with his constant laughing and sneering in Tom O Sullivans face. It is beneath someone of his talent and Tom had a laugh back at him when he nailed the point with the outside of the left. I have a certain respect for physical stuff but the goading annoys me.
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Post by mike70 on Jul 4, 2023 6:00:34 GMT
2 class players like their Dad Both Canavans are fabulous players but Darragh went down in my estimation with his constant laughing and sneering in Tom O Sullivans face. It is beneath someone of his talent and Tom had a laugh back at him when he nailed the point with the outside of the left. I have a certain respect for physical stuff but the goading annoys me. I think your being harsh, I have watched him a number of games this year and he always is smiling, whether he misses or scores, look he is a kid, playing with a smile on his face is the way I see it, even the banter between his markers always seems jovial, imo.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 4, 2023 6:59:46 GMT
Both Canavans are fabulous players but Darragh went down in my estimation with his constant laughing and sneering in Tom O Sullivans face. It is beneath someone of his talent and Tom had a laugh back at him when he nailed the point with the outside of the left. I have a certain respect for physical stuff but the goading annoys me. I think your being harsh, I have watched him a number of games this year and he always is smiling, whether he misses or scores, look he is a kid, playing with a smile on his face is the way I see it, even the banter between his markers always seems jovial, imo. Yeah I agree Mike, Both the lads are apparently really nice fellas so I don't think there was much in any of that.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 4, 2023 8:09:28 GMT
What pleased me most on Saturday, was the lessons learned. We all know what Tyrone bring, any half-trained coach knows we were facing a hard edge, physicality, threading the line discipline wise, intensity and hard running on the break. Previous years we succumbed to these tactics as if we were back in 2003 and were again the rabbits in the headlights. I said last week, Paddy Tally was the ace up the sleeve here and it turned out to be the case. As Tomás quoted, hammer the hammer. Having seen Kerry all year in person, and again like most watched again on TV when I got home, the TV doesn’t do justice to our shape and make up or positioning off the ball or to our hard running.
Kerry played the containment game for the first twenty minutes last Saturday and gradually put the squeeze on, it was cranked up gradually and we ran riot very easy winners. Tyrone just simply had no answers. I watched Dooher and Logan, at one stage we had another turnover, Dooher was frantically pointing in and talking, Logan turns, shook the head and half shrugged the shoulders…. They were a beaten docket with no options.
From one to fifteen we oozed confident and understanding of a game plan. Like I said, we learned lessons of 2021, we conceded three soft goals and were over run-in midfield, the two No Gaeil lads were outstanding, there was a cut about Diarmuid in Portlaoise, a different animal, Jack Barry lasted the 70+ minutes, unfortunately cover was lacking here but that was the only minus on the copy for me. But the point being, the launchpad for Tyrone was nullified.
It’s well lauded that 2-09 came from turnovers, but for anyone that wasn’t there, off the ball, the work rate of the midfield duo, along with Moynihan, but more so Spillane and Graham are hard to quantify in words, Adrain tracked and turned and still scored two points, Graham ran hard and tracked hard, it was simply a joy to watch.
The papers and media have jumped on the Dublin horse, which suits us, they beat an average and predictable Mayo, Dublin sprang Kilkenny, McCaffrey and Rock from the bench, we called on O’Beagleoich, Breen, O’Brien and Brosnan…
Coldly and clinically, we got the job done.
Quick mention though on two interviews, DC interview on GaaGo, what a credit to himself and Kerry, he is just a pleasure to watch and listen to, no ego, aloofness and so modest and all about the collective, secondly, Dooher, was very honourable and gracious when interviewed, more or less saying we played the way you would want your team to play….
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Post by john4 on Jul 4, 2023 8:27:19 GMT
On the turnovers, anyone know what did Tyrone score from turnovers Saturday. I can think of 1 point off the top of my head, was there more? My memory is that we minded the ball well.
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Post by tyroneperson on Jul 4, 2023 8:55:19 GMT
Both Canavans are fabulous players but Darragh went down in my estimation with his constant laughing and sneering in Tom O Sullivans face. It is beneath someone of his talent and Tom had a laugh back at him when he nailed the point with the outside of the left. I have a certain respect for physical stuff but the goading annoys me. I think you ré wrong there Sully with all due respect. Both Tom and Darragh were smiling at each other but sort of joking way. Maybe Tyrone would say Tom was jeering and sneering at Darragh. People outside the county probably wouldn't be aware but Ruairi and Darragh are very giddy characters. It's funny in a way. They're seen as a bit harmless almost. I'd say whatever was going on with Tom o'Sullivan wasn't too serious anyway.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 4, 2023 9:00:58 GMT
Both Canavans are fabulous players but Darragh went down in my estimation with his constant laughing and sneering in Tom O Sullivans face. It is beneath someone of his talent and Tom had a laugh back at him when he nailed the point with the outside of the left. I have a certain respect for physical stuff but the goading annoys me. I think you ré wrong there Sully with all due respect. Both Tom and Darragh were smiling at each other but sort of joking way. Maybe Tyrone would say Tom was jeering and sneering at Darragh. Agree, after Tom miss in the first half, I saw both if them smiling, I'd say there was a jibe each... 😁
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jul 4, 2023 9:20:10 GMT
I think a level of pushing, sledging and oneupmanship is now practically de rigueur in most must win/must not lose championship games. Its all part of the psychological warfare that players are almost encouraged to wage on their direct opponent to get inside their head, put them off and rattle them, so to speak. Its moved well beyond the jersey tug, the push, the trip or the shout when a lad is taking a free! All teams are at it to varying degrees. I'm sure many Donegal fans wanted to confront O'Mahony for literally standing on Murphys toes and making his life a misery throughout the final. At the start of the quarter final last year versus Mayo all the Mayo forwards in unison shoved their Kerry markers vigorously in the chest when taking up their positions before the throw in - players are now told to lay down markers, win their individual battles and to do whatever it takes. (Incidentally it did Mayo little good!). We might not like it when our players are at the end of it, but we do it ourselves too - otherwise a player is a beaten docket. Policing the totality of all these incidents in a game would take some doing. The punch by McCurry was clear and if not picked up in real time, could easily be cited after. I'd hate for the poster Tyroneperson, who seems a sound one, to be hounded away from the forum. He has no control over what a player says or does but I dare say Paudie Clifford is well able to look after himself too, physically and verbally. Well said Taggert. I seriously hate this them and us attitude. Let he without sin cast the first stone. I mean when I was a kid the great Jimmy Barry Murphy retired from inter County football cos of a Kerry s tactics against him (not within rules). Every county has boyos. Some worse than others. We gave been lucky that I've never heard of real thuggery although a Laois man told me long before my time Kerry had hatchetmen in the 50s and 60s that would maim you. Anyway lovely comments today by Brian Dooher saying Kerry play football the way you d love to play it. Credit where due. Yip that was unsporting against a most sporting JBM and it is often used against us though it was confined to one and needs to be weeded out - things like of course that raise their ugly head in other walks of life.
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 4, 2023 9:35:06 GMT
What pleased me most on Saturday, was the lessons learned. We all know what Tyrone bring, any half-trained coach knows we were facing a hard edge, physicality, threading the line discipline wise, intensity and hard running on the break. Previous years we succumbed to these tactics as if we were back in 2003 and were again the rabbits in the headlights. I said last week, Paddy Tally was the ace up the sleeve here and it turned out to be the case. As Tomás quoted, hammer the hammer. Having seen Kerry all year in person, and again like most watched again on TV when I got home, the TV doesn’t do justice to our shape and make up or positioning off the ball or to our hard running. Kerry played the containment game for the first twenty minutes last Saturday and gradually put the squeeze on, it was cranked up gradually and we ran riot very easy winners. Tyrone just simply had no answers. I watched Dooher and Logan, at one stage we had another turnover, Dooher was frantically pointing in and talking, Logan turns, shook the head and half shrugged the shoulders…. They were a beaten docket with no options. From one to fifteen we oozed confident and understanding of a game plan. Like I said, we learned lessons of 2021, we conceded three soft goals and were over run-in midfield, the two No Gaeil lads were outstanding, there was a cut about Diarmuid in Portlaoise, a different animal, Jack Barry lasted the 70+ minutes, unfortunately cover was lacking here but that was the only minus on the copy for me. But the point being, the launchpad for Tyrone was nullified. It’s well lauded that 2-09 came from turnovers, but for anyone that wasn’t there, off the ball, the work rate of the midfield duo, along with Moynihan, but more so Spillane and Graham are hard to quantify in words, Adrain tracked and turned and still scored two points, Graham ran hard and tracked hard, it was simply a joy to watch. The papers and media have jumped on the Dublin horse, which suits us, they beat an average and predictable Mayo, Dublin sprang Kilkenny, McCaffrey and Rock from the bench, we called on O’Beagleoich, Breen, O’Brien and Brosnan… Coldly and clinically, we got the job done. Quick mention though on two interviews, DC interview on GaaGo, what a credit to himself and Kerry, he is just a pleasure to watch and listen to, no ego, aloofness and so modest and all about the collective, secondly, Dooher, was very honourable and gracious when interviewed, more or less saying we played the way you would want your team to play…. Great post. Again, what stands out for me is the quality of our management team - Tally, has been a massive addition, but Jack, Micheál & Diarmuid are wily & savvy - still galls me that we lost in ‘21 when, let’s face it, we set up very poorly & played like we had never seen Tyrone play before. The workrate , as you say , was off the charts - the match ups were perfect; Graham on an ageing Donnelly was a master stroke - Graham must have run more than any other player on the pitch - I was in the Cusack & the amount of times he went down the line was phenomenal- this was after a storming first half too. We got it right all over the pitch - look like we are coming to the boil at the right time. It’s an exciting time & 2 games( hopefully) to look forward to - if it’s Dublin will be some occasion. Thank God for season tickets 🎫!!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 4, 2023 19:58:19 GMT
The Tyrone team that won the All-Ireland in 2021 was a very clean team as far as I could see. Wouldn't say we're especially worse than most of the big guns to be honest. I think when Tyrone do something wrong it tends to be magnified a bit - it's in their 'nature' type of comments. I think the current Armagh team are quite a bit 'bolder' than us for example. I am talking specifically about 2021. I probably wouldn't write down what I think more generally... but if I did, I would have to be fair and say that there was a recent time when the Tyrone senior team were not one bit scummy in my opinion.
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Post by dc84 on Jul 4, 2023 20:31:24 GMT
On the two matches ups we saw with interaction they were poles apart tom sull and canavan looked like it was more Craic and sporting ie I think Tom was saying after hus wonder score 1 nil to me or something like that. Meyler and paidi was war physical nasty enough a different ball game paidi obviously felt that he was slighted 2 years ago and that he lost that battle and went out with the attitude not today ! An admirable attitude but he took it too far same as meyler imo. Should've taken him off once the game was one imo. Where it could've got ugly was where the gaa in their wisdom had both teams in both games Saturday going down same tunnel seriously how are they so stupid to allow this happen? I know it goes on some nonsense re alphabet or something but come on absolutely silly!
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Post by john4 on Jul 4, 2023 20:35:59 GMT
I was talking to a few underage coaches this evening and Clifford's sideline pass came up in discussion. I've no idea about how David Clifford was coached at underage but I'd be willing to bet that he and presumably his teammates were allowed the freedom to try the outrageous without fear of criticism if it didn't work out.
Skills development can only happen by trying things out, but unfortunately many underage coaches are so obsessed with their own egos and winning that boys are in fear of going off script.
I appreciate that there has to be systems/principles of play etc. but we can't make children afraid to go with instinct also.
To all the underage coaches out there, Encourage the adventurous stuff please.
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