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Post by greengold35 on Jul 24, 2023 20:57:17 GMT
A couple of items! 1. County board switched game from Mitchels due to expected large crowd - one turnstile then open to accept cash & only 4/5 turnstiles in operation in total - emergency gate had to be opened to allow patrons enter. 2. Wondering where ref got additional time in normal time? Announcer said “ at least 4 mins”, I know the at least probably covers all eventualities but the 4 mins was up when Rahillys scored last point - ref allowed play to continue with Stacks forcing a “45” - by the time it was taken another 2 mins had elapsed! 3. Cormac started the game - played corner back for the first 40 mins & then went centre back for the remainder- was instrumental in dragging Rahillys back into the game - would not have won without him. Fair going to come back from Dubai again and to play a pivotal role for KOR. His last game was a man marking job on Shane Walsh in January. Then yesterday he was released to the half back line and helped turn the game on its head. He surely would be a massive addition to the Kerry team if he returned and was available. He is an outstanding footballer & athlete.
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Post by taggert on Jul 24, 2023 21:33:51 GMT
Something ironic in the call for Coffee for Kerry based on a game where one team was deprived of the services of its county players - although it was a Kerry County league Div one play off.
A very good club footballer and athlete but plays in far too manic a fashion for the more cerebral county game.
He got 2 points when Stacks were down a man and got a goal when Stacks were down 2 men and its agsinst this backdrop, and a weakened Stacks team, that certain people are losing the run of themselves.
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Post by A.N. Other on Jul 24, 2023 22:02:53 GMT
Something ironic in the call for Coffee for Kerry based on a game where one team was deprived of the services of its county players - although it was a Kerry County league Div one play off. A very good club footballer and athlete but plays in far too manic a fashion for the more cerebral county game. He got 2 points when Stacks were down a man and got a goal when Stacks were down 2 men and its agsinst this backdrop, and a weakened Stacks team, that certain people are losing the run of themselves. A good start would be to spell is name correctly, Coffey. I’m fairly sure he was asked into the Kerry panel last year before the league but declined due to him leaving the country. So it isn’t something new or ironic that people including the Kerry management might be interested to see him involved with the intercounty team. He scored 1-2 after playing the first 40/45 minutes as a corner back and the Rahillys made a change to bring him further out the field where he influenced the game. What county players are Stacks missing that are involved with Kerry? Just Dylan Casey? Joe O Connor and Jack O’Shea injured I believe and Greg Horan has left the panel. Every team has players missing this year. Rahillys started the game yesterday with 8 out of the 15 that started the Munster Final last year. Hardly a full team either. Saying that I wouldn’t be surprised if Rahillys and Stacks met down in the intermediate club championship next year.
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 24, 2023 22:10:13 GMT
Something ironic in the call for Coffee for Kerry based on a game where one team was deprived of the services of its county players - although it was a Kerry County league Div one play off. A very good club footballer and athlete but plays in far too manic a fashion for the more cerebral county game. He got 2 points when Stacks were down a man and got a goal when Stacks were down 2 men and its agsinst this backdrop, and a weakened Stacks team, that certain people are losing the run of themselves. Don’t think anybody is losing the run of themselves - Cormac was playing centre back when scoring his two points in normal time at a time Stacks had 14 on the pitch. His goal came in the 4th min of ET when Stacks had 15 on the pitch as Fitzmaurice’s black card was given on the stroke of h/t & Kissane walked on a red in the 2nd half of extra time. Twitter timeline of both Stacks & KO’R confirms this - being at the game it was the case. In fairness to the lad, he has spent the year past in Middle East & prior to departing was invited into Kerry panel but declined. His display yesterday was Man of the Match territory against the backdrop of his previous game being in 8th Jan vs Kilmacud.
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Post by taggert on Jul 24, 2023 22:13:57 GMT
I would have liked to see him against County standard (Kerry) opposition yesterday but sadly it appears neither Dylan nor Jack (fit to play) could play. Joe and Nagle were injured, as several others on both sides were.
I personally found it bizarre that a team in Kerry's premier league competition were tasked with playing a relegation play off without its Kerry players. Not injured, not working abroad, not on honeymoon - but sitting on the bench watching on. Fit and ready but not available.
Maybe its just me....
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Post by taggert on Jul 24, 2023 22:16:25 GMT
Something ironic in the call for Coffee for Kerry based on a game where one team was deprived of the services of its county players - although it was a Kerry County league Div one play off. A very good club footballer and athlete but plays in far too manic a fashion for the more cerebral county game. He got 2 points when Stacks were down a man and got a goal when Stacks were down 2 men and its agsinst this backdrop, and a weakened Stacks team, that certain people are losing the run of themselves. Don’t think anybody is losing the run of themselves - Cormac was playing centre back when scoring his two points in normal time at a time Stacks had 14 on the pitch. His goal came in the 4th min of ET when Stacks had 15 on the pitch as Fitzmaurice’s black card was given on the stroke of h/t & Kissane walked on a red in the 2nd half of extra time. Twitter timeline of both Stacks & KO’R confirms this - being at the game it was the case. In fairness to the lad, he has spent the year past in Middle East & prior to departing was invited into Kerry panel but declined. His display yesterday was Man of the Match territory against the backdrop of his previous game being in 8th Jan vs Kilmacud. Stacks had 2 players injured on the ground with physios on the pitch. The ball was dead. The ref waved to the KOR keeper to kick the ball out. A goal was scored with 13 Stacks players standing. Both Stacks players were carried off injured. Context.
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Post by mike70 on Jul 25, 2023 5:28:57 GMT
Look Coffey would be in the kerry panel if around, as another poster said, he was asked in but declined due to job offer abroad I believe, better than a number of current panel members, but his choice he made.
The reality is Stacks are in decline at the moment, surprising with all the underage success, but into IFC and now Div 2 county league, they have rebuilding to do, but the challenge will be getting players to commit, Tralee is not a hub of industry, as mentioned earlier, lots of draws away, so hard to maintain the commitment.
The decline is not only a stacks issue, many clubs around the county facing the same challenge.
As for yesterdays game, the Rahillys just had the more experienced players, led by some past kerry all ireland winners.
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Post by diego on Jul 25, 2023 7:17:27 GMT
I wouldn't subscribe too much to the Stacks on the decline talk. In the county league they were clearly more affected than most teams in the division due to intercounty player unavailability. They still got 10 points out of a possible 22 which is over 45%, and yet finished in the bottom 25% of the table. That is a statistical anomaly.
The intermediate status is a bit of a joke and is just a result of the current senior club championship structure which has 8 very evenly matched clubs where you have 2 groups of death and someone has to drop. They had 3 standout players on the county minor team this year. The future of the Rockies is much brighter than it might appear right now.
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Post by mike70 on Jul 25, 2023 7:39:41 GMT
I wouldn't subscribe too much to the Stacks on the decline talk. In the county league they were clearly more affected than most teams in the division due to intercounty player unavailability. They still got 10 points out of a possible 22 which is over 45%, and yet finished in the bottom 25% of the table. That is a statistical anomaly. The intermediate status is a bit of a joke and is just a result of the current senior club championship structure which has 8 very evenly matched clubs where you have 2 groups of death and someone has to drop. They had 3 standout players on the county minor team this year. The future of the Rockies is much brighter than it might appear right now. if I was a rockie, I would be very concerned for the next 3 to 4 years, a pipeline exists but long way to maturity for their next team. You can paint the picture a 1000 ways, but the fact is now div 2 and IFC, the challenge for them will be the competitiveness of the IFC it’s going to be tough to get out, same applies to any team that will drop from senior.
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 25, 2023 7:47:53 GMT
I would have liked to see him against County standard (Kerry) opposition yesterday but sadly it appears neither Dylan nor Jack (fit to play) could play. Joe and Nagle were injured, as several others on both sides were. I personally found it bizarre that a team in Kerry's premier league competition were tasked with playing a relegation play off without its Kerry players. Not injured, not working abroad, not on honeymoon - but sitting on the bench watching on. Fit and ready but not available. Maybe its just me.... The league was played in full with clubs having to do without their Kerry players - same for all clubs - a relegation play off was part of the competition, so wouldn’t be treated any differently.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 25, 2023 7:57:47 GMT
Maybe the problem with the Rockies isn't between the confines of the four corner flags...
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Post by taggert on Jul 25, 2023 8:00:47 GMT
You are proving my point. Let's put forward players for Kerry based on their performance in a game / competition where the opposition are precluded from playing their best (county) players..... Sure.
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 25, 2023 8:58:38 GMT
You are proving my point. Let's put forward players for Kerry based on their performance in a game / competition where the opposition are precluded from playing their best (county) players..... Sure. Coffey is being put forward for Kerry on past known form - All Ireland minor, 3 year Kerry U21s, some Senior experience; he declined an invitation to join the senior set up in 2022. He was outstanding against Kilmacud when marking Shane Walsh - 2022 nominee for player of the year - holding him to one point from play. I would imagine if he was @ home he would have been asked to join the senior panel again this year. Anyway, it’s all irrelevant now.
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 25, 2023 9:26:45 GMT
"A very good club footballer and athlete but plays in far too manic a fashion for the more cerebral county game".
That can be coached. He has all the attributes that that are needed but can't be coached, the player either has them or hasn't.
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Post by mike70 on Jul 25, 2023 11:35:52 GMT
Not worthy of any further debate, Coffey was selected for kerry based on his performance in the Kerry championship, he declined as is his prerogative, I still would have him ahead 2 of the defenders on our named 26, but alas, that’s not to be.
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Post by A.N. Other on Jul 25, 2023 12:08:26 GMT
Not worthy of any further debate, Coffey was selected for kerry based on his performance in the Kerry championship, he declined as is his prerogative, I still would have him ahead 2 of the defenders on our named 26, but alas, that’s not to be. That’s the point I was trying to make but it turned sour. I take the point that Stacks were/are not at full strength but neither were KOR or any other team throughout the county league. He was the difference in the relegation playoff and they would not have got to an all Ireland semi final without him either. He could be an option for Kerry if he returned and was available.
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Post by fullback on Jul 25, 2023 20:43:42 GMT
Not worthy of any further debate, Coffey was selected for kerry based on his performance in the Kerry championship, he declined as is his prerogative, I still would have him ahead 2 of the defenders on our named 26, but alas, that’s not to be. That’s the point I was trying to make but it turned sour. I take the point that Stacks were/are not at full strength but neither were KOR or any other team throughout the county league. He was the difference in the relegation playoff and they would not have got to an all Ireland semi final without him either. He could be an option for Kerry if he returned and was available. Think that ship has sailed personally. Even if he were to be called in next year, he'd be 27 going on 28, realistically, how many players break through into county football at that age? Let alone ones who've spent the last 18 months out the country playing very little football.
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Post by A.N. Other on Jul 25, 2023 21:25:18 GMT
That’s the point I was trying to make but it turned sour. I take the point that Stacks were/are not at full strength but neither were KOR or any other team throughout the county league. He was the difference in the relegation playoff and they would not have got to an all Ireland semi final without him either. He could be an option for Kerry if he returned and was available. Think that ship has sailed personally. Even if he were to be called in next year, he'd be 27 going on 28, realistically, how many players break through into county football at that age? Let alone ones who've spent the last 18 months out the country playing very little football. Very few. It doesn’t really matter anyway as he’s gone out of the country and doesn’t look like he’s returning. Big loss to KOR as are Jack Savage and Gavin O’Brien.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Jul 25, 2023 22:44:20 GMT
Coffey just a bit off Kerry level in my opinion. He was given a look in 2018 by Fitzmaurice in the league but it didn’t work out for him. He’s good enough for the extended panel alright but I’m talking about making a 26. Decision making his main limitation in my opinion and also lacking a bit of size. Unreal club player but the standard of making an All Ireland winning county team is so high. Also it’s not always the stand out club players who adapt best to inter county level.
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