2022 North Kerry Senior Football Championship

[statistician]

Sponsored by McMunn's Bar and Restaurant Ballybunion - 2022 Bernard O'Callaghan Memorial North Kerry Senior Football Championship First Round Draw:

First named teams have home advantage (subject to ground suitability) in the First Round and Extra Time will be played in the event of a Draw in the First Round and the Quarter Finals.

Byes: Knocknagoshel & Beale

Round 1:

Duagh V Moyvane
Ballyduff V Brosna
Listowel Emmets v St. Senans
Asdee v Finuge
Tarbert v Ballydonoghue
Ballylongford v Castleisland Desmonds

[horsebox77]

Aug 26, 2022 20:35:59 GMT statistician said:

Sponsored by McMunn's Bar and Restaurant Ballybunion - 2022 Bernard O'Callaghan Memorial North Kerry Senior Football Championship First Round Draw:

First named teams have home advantage (subject to ground suitability) in the First Round and Extra Time will be played in the event of a Draw in the First Round and the Quarter Finals.

Byes: Knocknagoshel & Beale

Round 1:

Duagh V Moyvane
Ballyduff V Brosna
Listowel Emmets v St. Senans
Asdee v Finuge
Tarbert v Ballydonoghue
Ballylongford v Castleisland Desmonds

Love NK football, engrained out here and it is the one championship where history, divisional Co. League standing and form goes out the window.

Still for the craic of it.

Duagh V Moyvane - Duagh
Ballyduff V Brosna - Brosna
Listowel Emmets v St. Senans even without Barry Mahoney leaning towards the mountcoal side
Asdee v Finuge - Finuge
Tarbert v Ballydonoghue - close.. Bally'd just about.
Ballylongford v Castleisland Desmonds... Desmonds all the way... hard not to see a three in a row.

[horsebox77]

Statician - Was the minor draw made?

[thehermit]

Bad beating Senans took yesterday so not sure how well they might fare in the NK Championship later this year.

Any idea when the final would be, I assume early December?

[southward]

Lads, we're still going to the beach here, hoping for summer to hang on another bit. Can't be talking about the NK championship. It's just wrong; like the first person to mention Christmas. Ye'll bring on the winter.

[Premier]

Aug 28, 2022 9:34:39 GMT thehermit said:

Bad beating Senans took yesterday so not sure how well they might fare in the NK Championship later this year.

Any idea when the final would be, I assume early December?

District Board finals have to be completed by the 4th of December as Kerry players going on holidays

[thehermit]

Aug 28, 2022 9:46:34 GMT southward said:

Lads, we're still going to the beach here, hoping for summer to hang on another bit. Can't be talking about the NK championship. It's just wrong; like the first person to mention Christmas. Ye'll bring on the winter.

Winter was here the minute the Westmeath Rose went up on stage in Denny St. Once the Roses are done its good luck to the summer 

[thehermit]

Aug 28, 2022 10:59:38 GMT Premier said:

Aug 28, 2022 9:34:39 GMT thehermit said:

Bad beating Senans took yesterday so not sure how well they might fare in the NK Championship later this year.

Any idea when the final would be, I assume early December?

District Board finals have to be completed by the 4th of December as Kerry players going on holidays

I hope the team holiday won't upset our preparations for 2023 like they seemed to for Tyrone last winter!

[southward]

Aug 28, 2022 11:57:19 GMT thehermit said:

Aug 28, 2022 9:46:34 GMT southward said:

Lads, we're still going to the beach here, hoping for summer to hang on another bit. Can't be talking about the NK championship. It's just wrong; like the first person to mention Christmas. Ye'll bring on the winter.

Winter was here the minute the Westmeath Rose went up on stage in Denny St. Once the Roses are done its good luck to the summer 

No way man! We're getting the races out of it at least.

[southward]

Aug 28, 2022 10:59:38 GMT Premier said:

Aug 28, 2022 9:34:39 GMT thehermit said:

Bad beating Senans took yesterday so not sure how well they might fare in the NK Championship later this year.

Any idea when the final would be, I assume early December?

District Board finals have to be completed by the 4th of December as Kerry players going on holidays

Not usually an issue up here, in fairness.

[horsebox77]

Yes NK is a law to itself. Reading through the club results and standings.

No NK club playing senior. The highest ranked club is Balkydonoghue after yesterday's intermediate win.

Madness when you consider a town the size and population of listowel, having only one club is mad, sitting at Junior Prem. level only is even harder still to fathom.

[Ballyfireside]

Aug 28, 2022 12:35:54 GMT horsebox77 said:

Yes NK is a law to itself. Reading through the club results and standings.

No NK club playing senior. The highest ranked club is Balkydonoghue after yesterday's intermediate win.

Madness when you consider a town the size and population of listowel, having only one club is mad, sitting at Junior Prem. level only is even harder still to fathom.

Shocking really - and I don't believe soccer is much to do with it, over and above other districts.

[wideball]

Desmond's going for 3 in a row this year. Ballydonoghue are probably the team best placed to stop them. I don't think a 3 in a row has been completed in North Kerry since the Beale team of the 80's with Bomber and Ogie but open to correction.

[horsebox77]

Aug 28, 2022 16:00:15 GMT wideball said:

Desmond's going for 3 in a row this year. Ballydonoghue are probably the team best placed to stop them. I don't think a 3 in a row has been completed in North Kerry since the Beale team of the 80's with Bomber and Ogie but open to correction.

I'm sure Ballyduff did it recently enough

[otobeawinner]

Aug 28, 2022 16:38:04 GMT horsebox77 said:

Aug 28, 2022 16:00:15 GMT wideball said:

Desmond's going for 3 in a row this year. Ballydonoghue are probably the team best placed to stop them. I don't think a 3 in a row has been completed in North Kerry since the Beale team of the 80's with Bomber and Ogie but open to correction.

I'm sure Ballyduff did it recently enough

Bduff won their 2nd & 3rd titles in 05 and 06 but no 3 in a row. Beale 77 to 79 was most recent. Very rare 3 in a row. In fact the doubles while fairly frequent in recent years was only done 7 times from the 1940's up to turn of the century at a glance.
I would have BDonoghue as favs with desmonds, and possibly Brosna for a last gasp tilt at the title 3rd in line the winner of emmets and senans to test teams all the way if they gather momentum.

[kingdomofciar]

horsebox77
Madness when you consider a town the size and population of listowel, having only one club is mad, sitting at Junior Prem. level only is even harder still to fathom.

Ballyfireside
Shocking really - and I don't believe soccer is much to do with it, over and above other districts.

A quick look at Listowel's website, they won the county junior in 1999 and the intermediate in 2002.
It does seem strange that a town of that size has not won a county competition in 20 years, when many smaller clubs have won county and even all Irelands.
They have won quiet a few NKC's in this time, maybe they are prioritizing this competition over county competitions.

[homerj]

listowel have , like alot of clubs, lost alot of their better players to other counties.

ive said here many times before, but kerry need to be leaders in establishing training centers and an expenses programme for players based outside of Kerry, especially in Dublin, before its too late.

[thehermit]

Emigration affects most parts of Kerry not sure that can be used as a valid excuse for the ridiculous under achieving of NK clubs in the last 20 odd years.

Myself and Horse have been having this conversation for years - there is no other county in Ireland that has a club located in a town the size of Listowel and plays at such a low level in the county championship. I'd reckon Listowel is also probably one of the few towns of its size that has just a single GAA club.

The exact same point could be made about Castleisland, again given the potential population to draw from why are they at their level - former club All Ireland champions to boot!

I'm not sure what the task force Eamon Fitz was put in charge of is doing on the ground but I'm sure there's plenty on here that do. I assume one of their recommendations was to create the North Kerry representative side contesting the minor county final again tonight. That's great to see obviously but I would also wonder if its not a great long term solution to join the 12 odd clubs together underage. How many players will never get a look in?

[otobeawinner]

Aug 29, 2022 13:29:55 GMT thehermit said:

Emigration affects most parts of Kerry not sure that can be used as a valid excuse for the ridiculous under achieving of NK clubs in the last 20 odd years.

Myself and Horse have been having this conversation for years - there is no other county in Ireland that has a club located in a town the size of Listowel and plays at such a low level in the county championship. I'd reckon Listowel is also probably one of the few towns of its size that has just a single GAA club.

The exact same point could be made about Castleisland, again given the potential population to draw from why are they at their level - former club All Ireland champions to boot!

I'm not sure what the task force Eamon Fitz was put in charge of is doing on the ground but I'm sure there's plenty on here that do. I assume one of their recommendations was to create the North Kerry representative side contesting the minor county final again tonight. That's great to see obviously but I would also wonder if its not a great long term solution to join the 12 odd clubs together underage. How many players will never get a look in?

I'm aware of the irony of only appearing on the thread come NK C'ship time when I most value Co club competition as something all clubs big and small can should aspire too. Anyway its the time of year when there is more time to type up views that may be (or not) relatvent.
I fear the nk combo is not going to achieve what is hoped for ie a strong nk senior team as all players will have done it underage. The number of clubs is simply too great and history will not go so quietly.
Does the total integration of gaa in NK and the fact the same people now control the St Michael's actually rise or lower the standard. 1 eg some young lads want to play football but don't want to stop playing all other sports and so don't buy into the dev squad idea. Unfortunately it appears that if you don't you are also now cast aside from the school team. Narrowing the pool in my opinion.
While the lure of the dream is always there, many young people are seeing more in their horizons and won't sacrifice everything for it. Just to play with NK 14 years old require full commitment from Nov Dec for 7 or 8 months.

[Ballyfireside]

Aug 29, 2022 20:26:53 GMT otobeawinner said:

Aug 29, 2022 13:29:55 GMT thehermit said:

Emigration affects most parts of Kerry not sure that can be used as a valid excuse for the ridiculous under achieving of NK clubs in the last 20 odd years.

Myself and Horse have been having this conversation for years - there is no other county in Ireland that has a club located in a town the size of Listowel and plays at such a low level in the county championship. I'd reckon Listowel is also probably one of the few towns of its size that has just a single GAA club.

The exact same point could be made about Castleisland, again given the potential population to draw from why are they at their level - former club All Ireland champions to boot!

I'm not sure what the task force Eamon Fitz was put in charge of is doing on the ground but I'm sure there's plenty on here that do. I assume one of their recommendations was to create the North Kerry representative side contesting the minor county final again tonight. That's great to see obviously but I would also wonder if its not a great long term solution to join the 12 odd clubs together underage. How many players will never get a look in?

I'm aware of the irony of only appearing on the thread come NK C'ship time when I most value Co club competition as something all clubs big and small can should aspire too. Anyway its the time of year when there is more time to type up views that may be (or not) relatvent.
I fear the nk combo is not going to achieve what is hoped for ie a strong nk senior team as all players will have done it underage. The number of clubs is simply too great and history will not go so quietly.
Does the total integration of gaa in NK and the fact the same people now control the St Michael's actually rise or lower the standard. 1 eg some young lads want to play football but don't want to stop playing all other sports and so don't buy into the dev squad idea. Unfortunately it appears that if you don't you are also now cast aside from the school team. Narrowing the pool in my opinion.
While the lure of the dream is always there, many young people are seeing more in their horizons and won't sacrifice everything for it. Just to play with NK 14 years old require full commitment from Nov Dec for 7 or 8 months.

We are all thinking the same here - I saw a fella pictured at an open day at my own alma mater that is St Micks and the same gentleman shouldn't be let cross the county bounds let alone feted into a youth establishment. I don't think St Micks men knew about him but a few others did the inviting.

As for having to decide between GAA and other codes, I'd be against anything that discourages any sport in any way - in any event trying to stop it will only make it more tempting. The superior quality of GAA is enough though there is no room for complacency and there are big hurdles up ahead. Gosh look at where golf is!

In a semi related matter, was there ever more teams that could win Sam in the next year - Kingdom, Dubs, Maigh Eo, Tribes, Tir Eoighanin, Ard Mhacha, Doire, Dun na nGall, Muineachán, Ros Comáin - debatable but the pack has very much come together - my bar was Doire last year. Some great days out for a lot of people please God.

[thehermit]

Well done to the young lads of North Kerry tonight. Great to see NK football winning a county title!

[Mickmack]

Re NK clubs

If you exclude Listowel Emmets and Desmonds, what other NK teams are really underperforming and should be at a higher competition?
Finuge had a great team but the wheel turns so that's normal.
Which of the others are really underperforming - in other words are they any different to the other clubs in the same competition considering playing population.

I agree that Listowel Emmets should be intermediate like Castleisland. You would think both clubs are capable of being senior given playing population.



Senior:

A – Spa, Na Gaeil, Dingle, Kenmare
B – Dr. Crokes, Austin Stacks, Kerins O’Rahilly’s, Templenoe

Intermediate:

A – Currow, Ballydonoghue, Gneeveguilla, Beaufort
B – Laune Rangers, Dromid, Killarney Legion, John Mitchels
C – An Ghaeltacht, Kilcummin, Castleisland Desmonds, Glenbeigh/Glencar
D – Miltown/Castlemaine, St. Mary’s, Glenflesk, Rathmore

Junior Premier:

A – St. Senan’s, Churchill, Skellig Rangers, St. Pat’s Blennerville
B – Ballyduff, Annascaul, St. Michael’s/Foilmore, Brosna
C – Keel, Ballymacelligott, Ardfert, Waterville
D – Listry, Castlegregory, Listowel Emmetts, Fossa

Junior:

A – Scartaglin, Cromane, Renard, Moyvane
B – Sneem/Derrynane, Ballylongford, Cordal, Lispole
C – Asdee, Beale, Firies, Tarbert
D – Knocknagoshel, Kilgarvan, Finuge, Duagh

[peanuts]

Feale Rangers?

[Mickmack]

Aug 30, 2022 8:08:07 GMT peanuts said:

Feale Rangers?

Put that down to the sun. I corrected it

[horsebox77]

Aug 29, 2022 21:36:53 GMT thehermit said:

Well done to the young lads of North Kerry tonight. Great to see NK football winning a county title!

Yes, great result and in fairness the work put in may be coming to fruition.

I was advised last night that of yesterdays starting XV, NK had six or seven sixteen year olds starting with another five or so on the bench.

It looks like they are building for the future and won't be too far off the mark in twelve months time.

Green shoots hopefully.

[thehermit]

Aug 30, 2022 7:44:11 GMT Mickmack said:

Re NK clubs

If you exclude Listowel Emmets and Desmonds, what other NK teams are really underperforming and should be at a higher competition?
Finuge had a great team but the wheel turns so that's normal.
Which of the others are really underperforming - in other words are they any different to the other clubs in the same competition considering playing population.

I agree that Listowel Emmets should be intermediate like Castleisland. You would think both clubs are capable of being senior given playing population.



Senior:

A – Spa, Na Gaeil, Dingle, Kenmare
B – Dr. Crokes, Austin Stacks, Kerins O’Rahilly’s, Templenoe

Intermediate:

A – Currow, Ballydonoghue, Gneeveguilla, Beaufort
B – Laune Rangers, Dromid, Killarney Legion, John Mitchels
C – An Ghaeltacht, Kilcummin, Castleisland Desmonds, Glenbeigh/Glencar
D – Miltown/Castlemaine, St. Mary’s, Glenflesk, Rathmore

Junior Premier:

A – St. Senan’s, Churchill, Skellig Rangers, St. Pat’s Blennerville
B – Ballyduff, Annascaul, St. Michael’s/Foilmore, Brosna
C – Keel, Ballymacelligott, Ardfert, Waterville
D – Listry, Castlegregory, Listowel Emmetts, Fossa

Junior:

A – Scartaglin, Cromane, Renard, Moyvane
B – Sneem/Derrynane, Ballylongford, Cordal, Lispole
C – Asdee, Beale, Firies, Tarbert
D – Knocknagoshel, Kilgarvan, Finuge, Duagh

Well Tarbert for one Mick, its another town and shouldn't be languishing in the Junior grade.

If you look through the clubs you've helpfully listed there, how many clubs coming from towns and villages the same size or smaller than those in NK are playing at a higher level?

But I think the real issue is at Co Championship level there is something very wrong when two divisional sides with 12 or so clubs to divide between them are nothing but canon fodder the past 10 odd years.   

[wideball]

Aug 30, 2022 7:44:11 GMT Mickmack said:

Re NK clubs

If you exclude Listowel Emmets and Desmonds, what other NK teams are really underperforming and should be at a higher competition?
Finuge had a great team but the wheel turns so that's normal.
Which of the others are really underperforming - in other words are they any different to the other clubs in the same competition considering playing population.

I agree that Listowel Emmets should be intermediate like Castleisland. You would think both clubs are capable of being senior given playing population.



Senior:

A – Spa, Na Gaeil, Dingle, Kenmare
B – Dr. Crokes, Austin Stacks, Kerins O’Rahilly’s, Templenoe

Intermediate:

A – Currow, Ballydonoghue, Gneeveguilla, Beaufort
B – Laune Rangers, Dromid, Killarney Legion, John Mitchels
C – An Ghaeltacht, Kilcummin, Castleisland Desmonds, Glenbeigh/Glencar
D – Miltown/Castlemaine, St. Mary’s, Glenflesk, Rathmore

Junior Premier:

A – St. Senan’s, Churchill, Skellig Rangers, St. Pat’s Blennerville
B – Ballyduff, Annascaul, St. Michael’s/Foilmore, Brosna
C – Keel, Ballymacelligott, Ardfert, Waterville
D – Listry, Castlegregory, Listowel Emmetts, Fossa

Junior:

A – Scartaglin, Cromane, Renard, Moyvane
B – Sneem/Derrynane, Ballylongford, Cordal, Lispole
C – Asdee, Beale, Firies, Tarbert
D – Knocknagoshel, Kilgarvan, Finuge, Duagh

Moyvane, Ballylongford and Knocknagoshel are NK clubs which are not highlighted in the Junior competition. That's would mean 8 of 14 clubs in this year's NKC are playing the lowest level in the club championship.

As for those underperforming, outside of Listowel I would say Tarbert, Ballylongford and Moyvane would be the three obvious ones. Moyvane and Tarbert have improved at underage in recent years and this should bode well for the future. Ballylongford have a strong tradition of producing good teams and are 2nd on the NKC roll of honour after Moyvane but struggle to field teams at underage and probably have been surpassed by Asdee at adult grade.

I think you could make a case St.Senans are underperforming. They won back to back NKC and went to a Premier Junior final losing to Na Gaeil. Between that game and today Na Gaeil have become a senior club and St.Senans just got relegated from Division 3. I wouldn't expect St.Senans to become a senior club but getting relegated is poor.

Finuge could also be looked at as underachieving. They have the pick of players from Finuge and Lixnaw and have a strong tradition too. It wasn't that long ago they were a senior club (albeit for one year) so to now see them as a Junior club (essentially Novice) is alarming. Has another club in Kerry fallen so far so fast? St.Michaels/Foilmore perhaps?

In the near future adult teams in North Kerry may need to amalgamate as their underage teams have done. I believe there are now 4 clubs forming one team at some underage grades (Ballydonoghue, Clounmacon, Ballylongford and Asdee).

[Ballyfireside]

NK as a district, as opposed to the new team catchment area, is often seen a 1/4 of the county and which I don't think it is - I believe some Southern parts might also have less soccer for example and of course then there is the hurling stronghold that will never throw up as many big-ballers.

Still though NK is underachieving here and we are not just talking sporadics, i.e. where a vintage crop of players come along only every now and again - no, the area is in permanent decline, this has already taken place so now it is a question of how to reverse it and which won't be easy.

I wonder where did EF get with that report he undertook - we heard nothing.

Maybe the WFH - Working From Home will help a bit?

The above analysis by wideball is harrowing to say the least - 4 clubs to field an underage team, I mean that's nothing to do with emigration and/or migration, well apart from their parents' having decamped.

I also note that while Asdee and Bally' are bedfellows, Clounmcon didn't jump into the sack with the townies of their same parish.

P.S. Anyone give us a profile of Kenmare - Half the population of Listowel yet 2 Football and 1 Hurling panels. Would be more tourist orientated while NK is what's left of family farming and wind farming - even declassified as a Tourism Area though it is on the WAW and Ballybunion hasn't changed as a breath-taking holiday destination.

[homerj]

Finuge got one of the best crop of players in any clubs history around mid 90s onwards and it lead to a golden era.

what was it, 6 senior medalists and host of underage players?

that only happens once or twice in a lifetime and its hard to sustai that.

[horsebox77]

Aug 30, 2022 14:14:36 GMT homerj said:

Finuge got one of the best crop of players in any clubs history around mid 90s onwards and it lead to a golden era.

what was it, 6 senior medalists and host of underage players?

that only happens once or twice in a lifetime and its hard to sustai that.

Finuge had no player on the 35 man panel listed by NK Rangers Minors last night. Not One. Panel mainly made up of Moyvane, Tarbert and Listowel.