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Post by thehermit on May 20, 2022 11:51:35 GMT
Yes and no: I've no doubt plenty of hard earned money from Kerry supporters (and the rest) down the years has found its way into Dublin GAA's enormous funding kitty via ticket prices.
A reasonable question is to what extent massive Dublin crowds from about 2000 to the mid 2010s funded the GAA. I am not about to argue that that justifies anything either way. A fair point, but seeing the levels of disproportionate amount of funding ploughed into Dublin those hordes on the hill were helping their own backyard a lot more than the green hills of Kerry!
Anyway let's leave all this for another time and get back to Killarney.
The weather for the next week doesn't look too great a bad wet day next Saturday combined with those prices will really put the crowd off.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 20, 2022 12:36:09 GMT
A reasonable question is to what extent massive Dublin crowds from about 2000 to the mid 2010s funded the GAA. I am not about to argue that that justifies anything either way. A fair point, but seeing the levels of disproportionate amount of funding ploughed into Dublin those hordes on the hill were helping their own backyard a lot more than the green hills of Kerry! Anyway let's leave all this for another time and get back to Killarney. The weather for the next week doesn't look too great a bad wet day next Saturday combined with those prices will really put the crowd off.
Definitely happy to leave it there. When Kerry are playing a big match I dread rain. Especially in Croke Park.
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Post by thehermit on May 20, 2022 12:51:45 GMT
When Kerry are playing a big match I dread rain. Especially in Croke Park. When one considers that a wet game should always suit the more skillful team and given our county's climate relative to Eastern parts isn't it strange you should have such trepidation about a Kerry football team. I'm not saying your stance its unjustified more than it should be if all things were equal.
Looking back, bar the Munster replay and All Ireland final in 2015 and the Cork catastrophe of 2020 I can't remember too many big championship matches Kerry played in wet conditions over the past decade.
It seemed to be dry every summer game in 2019, likewise 2021. Actually I don't think any games in 2018 were in the wet either, Monaghan happened during that heatwave in July and the Kildare match was a lovely day too. Can't recall 2017 or 2016 being wet games in Munster final or Croker.
We surely effed up in the downpours in Cork and against the Dubs but I would put them more down to tactics and selections rather than the elements.
To this day I can't understand Fitzmaurice's starting 15 and why he left his captain and a man born to cause havoc in those conditions on the bench for so long.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 20, 2022 13:18:26 GMT
When Kerry are playing a big match I dread rain. Especially in Croke Park. When one considers that a wet game should always suit the more skillful team and given our county's climate relative to Eastern parts isn't it strange you should have such trepidation about a Kerry football team. I'm not saying your stance its unjustified more than it should be if all things were equal. Looking back, bar the Munster replay and All Ireland final in 2015 and the Cork catastrophe of 2020 I can't remember too many big championship matches Kerry played in wet conditions over the past decade.
It seemed to be dry every summer game in 2019, likewise 2021. Actually I don't think any games in 2018 were in the wet either, Monaghan happened during that heatwave in July and the Kildare match was a lovely day too. Can't recall 2017 or 2016 being wet games in Munster final or Croker. We surely effed up in the downpours in Cork and against the Dubs but I would put them more down to tactics and selections rather than the elements. To this day I can't understand Fitzmaurice's starting 15 and why he left his captain and a man born to cause havoc in those conditions on the bench for so long.
Galway 2018.
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Post by glengael on May 20, 2022 13:52:44 GMT
When one considers that a wet game should always suit the more skillful team and given our county's climate relative to Eastern parts isn't it strange you should have such trepidation about a Kerry football team. I'm not saying your stance its unjustified more than it should be if all things were equal. Looking back, bar the Munster replay and All Ireland final in 2015 and the Cork catastrophe of 2020 I can't remember too many big championship matches Kerry played in wet conditions over the past decade.
It seemed to be dry every summer game in 2019, likewise 2021. Actually I don't think any games in 2018 were in the wet either, Monaghan happened during that heatwave in July and the Kildare match was a lovely day too. Can't recall 2017 or 2016 being wet games in Munster final or Croker. We surely effed up in the downpours in Cork and against the Dubs but I would put them more down to tactics and selections rather than the elements. To this day I can't understand Fitzmaurice's starting 15 and why he left his captain and a man born to cause havoc in those conditions on the bench for so long.
Galway 2018. You beat me to it. Against Galway 2018, we played like a team that had hardly ever seen each other before, let alone a damp day. Don't get me started on the selections in 2015. For all the love this summer for Fitzmaurice as the shiny new TV guru, one memory remains fixed for me. An All Ireland loss that was enabled by those on the line, namely him & his backroom team.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on May 20, 2022 14:15:30 GMT
Was going to head down with my two kids to the game but, to be honest don't think I will bother. The juvenile tickets are fine at €5 a pop. But, terrace for €30 is a bit steep. Factor in the diesel costs as I live outside the county makes it very pricey.
Think we will spend the day at home and watch the match on the box, followed by Leinster in the final and then the champions league.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 20, 2022 14:44:01 GMT
You beat me to it. Against Galway 2018, we played like a team that had hardly ever seen each other before, let alone a damp day. Don't get me started on the selections in 2015. For all the love this summer for Fitzmaurice as the shiny new TV guru, one memory remains fixed for me. An All Ireland loss that was enabled by those on the line, namely him & his backroom team. Oh will I ever forget the 15 final. Fitzmaurice is a great pundit and I believe he has the tools to be a great manager again but in 2015 final he and his management team messed up big time.They substituted our two scoring forwards Geaney and James Ó Donoghue who had scored 5 points between them (we only scored a total of 9) but the worst was Paul Galvin. Pure nepatism. Galvin decided to comeback after we won all ireland in 14 and his bro in law accommodated him. He had nothing to offer in 15 and bringing him in for David Moran was the final straw and Dubs knew they had it then. The only good move that day was bringing in Darren for SOB. The only thing in mitigation is that in my memory we could not not win a breaking ball.
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Post by thehermit on May 20, 2022 14:51:27 GMT
You beat me to it. Against Galway 2018, we played like a team that had hardly ever seen each other before, let alone a damp day. Don't get me started on the selections in 2015. For all the love this summer for Fitzmaurice as the shiny new TV guru, one memory remains fixed for me. An All Ireland loss that was enabled by those on the line, namely him & his backroom team. Was that game actually played in any real rain though? It might have rained in the morning, but I've no recollection of it being wet during the game itself or when I was walking back into Dublin after it. Then again I had a fair few pints the night before and perhaps my memory is not what it could be.
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Post by Mickmack on May 20, 2022 15:07:37 GMT
You beat me to it. Against Galway 2018, we played like a team that had hardly ever seen each other before, let alone a damp day. Don't get me started on the selections in 2015. For all the love this summer for Fitzmaurice as the shiny new TV guru, one memory remains fixed for me. An All Ireland loss that was enabled by those on the line, namely him & his backroom team. Oh will I ever forget the 15 final. Fitzmaurice is a great pundit and I believe he has the tools to be a great manager again but in 2015 final he and his management team messed up big time.They substituted our two scoring forwards Geaney and James Ó Donoghue who had scored 5 points between them (we only scored a total of 9) but the worst was Paul Galvin. Pure nepatism. Galvin decided to comeback after we won all ireland in 14 and his bro in law accommodated him. He had nothing to offer in 15 and bringing him in for David Moran was the final straw and Dubs knew they had it then. The only good move that day was bringing in Darren for SOB. If you can bring yourself to rewatch it some time, you will see that Galvin did pick up a few breaks and delivered quick ball into KD, one of which (if memorys serves me right( led to the clear penalty that the resident of Dublin, Mr Coldrick didnt give. Not starting KD was a huge mistake and also Darren was going well in the semi final and should have started. Colm was virtually hobbling and Philly ended up a hero as a result. EF made many unfathomable decisions in his time and springing Galvin wasnt the worst one i feel.
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Post by greengold35 on May 20, 2022 15:14:01 GMT
You beat me to it. Against Galway 2018, we played like a team that had hardly ever seen each other before, let alone a damp day. Don't get me started on the selections in 2015. For all the love this summer for Fitzmaurice as the shiny new TV guru, one memory remains fixed for me. An All Ireland loss that was enabled by those on the line, namely him & his backroom team. Oh will I ever forget the 15 final. Fitzmaurice is a great pundit and I believe he has the tools to be a great manager again but in 2015 final he and his management team messed up big time.They substituted our two scoring forwards Geaney and James Ó Donoghue who had scored 5 points between them (we only scored a total of 9) but the worst was Paul Galvin. Pure nepatism. Galvin decided to comeback after we won all ireland in 14 and his bro in law accommodated him. He had nothing to offer in 15 and bringing him in for David Moran was the final straw and Dubs knew they had it then. The only good move that day was bringing in Darren for SOB. Probably one of the worst management performances in a while; not starting Star was a big mistake as his leadership & motivation would have been huge. Remember Tommy Walsh warming up when our full complement of subs had been used up - an unmitigated disaster.
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Post by thehermit on May 20, 2022 16:10:46 GMT
Oh will I ever forget the 15 final. Fitzmaurice is a great pundit and I believe he has the tools to be a great manager again but in 2015 final he and his management team messed up big time.They substituted our two scoring forwards Geaney and James Ó Donoghue who had scored 5 points between them (we only scored a total of 9) but the worst was Paul Galvin. Pure nepatism. Galvin decided to comeback after we won all ireland in 14 and his bro in law accommodated him. He had nothing to offer in 15 and bringing him in for David Moran was the final straw and Dubs knew they had it then. The only good move that day was bringing in Darren for SOB. If you can bring yourself to rewatch it some time, you will see that Galvin did pick up a few breaks and delivered quick ball into KD, one of which (if memorys serves me right( led to the clear penalty that the resident of Dublin, Mr Coldrick didnt give. Not starting KD was a huge mistake and also Darren was going well in the semi final and should have started. Colm was virtually hobbling and Philly ended up a hero as a result. EF made many unfathomable decisions in his time and springing Galvin wasnt the worst one i feel.
Fully agree Mick, the scapegoating of Galvin and insinuations about 'nepotism' has always left a bad taste in my mouth. I never can bare to watch back a Kerry All-Ireland defeat but from what I saw with my own eyes and snippets of the game after Galvin made his contribution and was no way responsible for Kerry's defeat.
Ah sure look there's always certain people out there - if they're not having a go at Kerry legends like Galvin and criticising Clifford's mercurialness, they're labeling Kerry's All Ireland's as soft while seeing nothing untoward about what happened with the mighty Dublin GAA.
Thank God someone let me know about that block poster option
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Post by peanuts on May 20, 2022 16:14:34 GMT
Was going to head down with my two kids to the game but, to be honest don't think I will bother. The juvenile tickets are fine at €5 a pop. But, terrace for €30 is a bit steep. Factor in the diesel costs as I live outside the county makes it very pricey. Think we will spend the day at home and watch the match on the box, followed by Leinster in the final and then the champions league. Is it on Sky or RTE?
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on May 20, 2022 16:21:29 GMT
Ya in fairness 2015 was a bit of a shambles on the sideline. We had a good battle against Tyrone in the semis with Paul Geaney scoring 3 points when brought on for Donaghy at half time. Donaghy had just kicked a left footed point right on half time but was hooked during the break.
I understand management wanted to get Geaney onto the team but, it should have been cooper to make way not donaghy. Especially when they saw the rain soaked conditions on the day of the game. They compounded their mistake with the switches they did and didnt make during the game. Moran was poor at midfield that day but, they made hardly no attempt to rectify it. How Cooper lasted the game was a mystery.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 20, 2022 17:11:45 GMT
It's amazing how the mind plays tricks after a period of time. Someone that has nt watched the 15 final again would nt remember much about the details. Win or lose ill always watch again and after just watching again today my mind is totally clear and Galvin made no impact at all. It was the wrong substitution Could Kerry win a break before he came on? Forget about after.
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Post by The16thMan on May 20, 2022 17:26:50 GMT
Martin McNally from Monaghan is reffing the game. He reffed the league final I think, if it's the same person I'm thinking of. Did a decent job I think.
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Post by onlykerry on May 20, 2022 17:44:20 GMT
Munster final pricing is fixed long in advance and for a final is not bad I suppose - the fact its on at 3pm on a Saturday will impact the attendance and a Limerick V Kerry game will not be a big draw for neutrals - not sure what level of a following Limerick footballers have particularly when their hurlers are going through such a purple patch.
Over the past two Covid years we would have paid anything to be able to get to a game - funny how "normality" reverts so quickly and we are unhappy with the cost of entry - there is a strong case for a family ticket for games like this particularly where capacity is likely to exceed demand.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 20, 2022 18:15:07 GMT
Could Kerry win a break before he came on? Forget about after. I only watched 2nd half and we only one 2 breaking balls but tbf most Cluxton kicks and nearly all Kealys were short. Sheehan won ball when he came on.We were nt too bad in 2nd half. I always though Dublin outplayed us completely (and prob did in 1st half) but it was def even in 2nd half and we might even have been slightly better. My recollection was we were crying out for a breaking ball and in that context thought Galvin was a great sub.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 20, 2022 18:28:48 GMT
My recollection was we were crying out for a breaking ball and in that context thought Galvin was a great sub. Maybe in first half but Galvin came in in the 56 th minute and got no breaking ball at all. He only had about 3 touches. We played 6 subs and only BJK and Galvin had little or no impact although BJK was late on. For me the game was crying out for Donaghy earlier Your bit about Galvin is hindsight though. Galvin was the foremost breaking ball merchant in the country previously. What should in my opinion count for him as a good sub or otherwise was how we were doing for breaking ball BEFORE he came on. I thought it a fair roll of the dice. Edit: this commentary is as a bulwark against talk that EF engaged in nepotism which I think totally unfair.
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Post by john4 on May 20, 2022 18:40:13 GMT
Maybe in first half but Galvin came in in the 56 th minute and got no breaking ball at all. He only had about 3 touches. We played 6 subs and only BJK and Galvin had little or no impact although BJK was late on. For me the game was crying out for Donaghy earlier Your bit about Galvin is hindsight though. Galvin was the foremost breaking ball merchant in the country previously. What should in my opinion count for him as a good sub or otherwise was how we were doing for breaking ball BEFORE he came on. I thought it a fair roll of the dice. Edit: this commentary is as a bulwark against talk that EF engaged in nepotism which I think totally unfair. My memory of this match, sitting in the pouring rain was that we just couldn't win a break, every ball was just out of reach. These things happen in matches, sometimes those lucky breaks just don't fall your way. You could be killing yourself running just to be in the wrong place by a few feet. That's sports, sometimes it's just cruel that way.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 20, 2022 18:48:54 GMT
Your bit about Galvin is hindsight though. Galvin was the foremost breaking ball merchant in the country previously. What should in my opinion count for him as a good sub or otherwise was how we were doing for breaking ball BEFORE he came on. I thought it a fair roll of the dice. Edit: this commentary is as a bulwark against talk that EF engaged in nepotism which I think totally unfair. My memory of this match, sitting in the pouring rain was that we just couldn't win a break, every ball was just out of reach. These things happen in matches, sometimes those lucky breaks just don't fall your way. You could be killing yourself running just to be in the wrong place by a few feet. That's sports, sometimes it's just cruel that way. That is how I felt and was delighted that Galvin was on the bench to help. That he couldn't turn the tide isn't quite neither here nor there... but it doesn't mean it was the wrong call to spring him either.
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Post by Mickmack on May 20, 2022 18:55:05 GMT
Your bit about Galvin is hindsight though. Galvin was the foremost breaking ball merchant in the country previously. What should in my opinion count for him as a good sub or otherwise was how we were doing for breaking ball BEFORE he came on. I thought it a fair roll of the dice. Edit: this commentary is as a bulwark against talk that EF engaged in nepotism which I think totally unfair. Maybe it is unfair but remember Galvin was 35 yrs old at the time and played no part in the semi final either. I just felt that we would have been better served with other subs than Galvin but maybe it is unfair to say nepatism so I take that back. Anyway you can watch it on YouTube yourselves. Sometimes the game is different to your memory. As I said earlier I did nt realise how poor Cluxton was in 2nd half. He was directly responsible for 3 Kerry scores I think you should withdraw the nepotism accusation in fairness. The same thing was said about Paidi when he was bringing through the nephews ....that wasnt fair either.
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Post by Mickmack on May 20, 2022 19:07:46 GMT
I think you should withdraw the nepotism accusation in fairness. The same thing was said about Paidi when he was bringing through the nephews ....that wasnt fair either. I just did Mick. If you read my last post. I withdraw remark on nepstism and I apologise for same remark. Fair play to you Ciarraimick.
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Post by gaelicfollower on May 20, 2022 20:47:55 GMT
I was up at stacks and rathmore game and Greg horan was playing wondering is he gone from Kerry
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Post by fitz on May 20, 2022 21:39:45 GMT
The 2015 final, I knew the rain was due but my Davin seat left me high and then wet. So wet even the undergarments were sodden. It was a sh1te game throughout. The most memorable for me and could have been game changing was the Bull McAuley dragging Donaghy round the neck to the ground, definite penalty, Coldrick ignored it. I thought the rain would us having beaten Tyrone in wet conditions in the semi but alas no. Think we were lucky to only lose by 3.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on May 20, 2022 21:55:13 GMT
On 2015, Galvin didn’t do much when he came on. However we were well beaten and 3 points completely flattered us so he was hardly go blame. The game was lost before he came on
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on May 20, 2022 22:00:17 GMT
I was up at stacks and rathmore game and Greg horan was playing wondering is he gone from Kerry He’s on the extended panel so maybe the lads on that are getting game time this weekend. Proper order to be honest
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Post by sullyschoice on May 20, 2022 22:16:46 GMT
Martin Mc Nally named as referee. Not familiar with him, which is probably a good thing. Has he reffed us before?
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on May 20, 2022 22:22:46 GMT
My one criticism of EF was always that he could never react to in game situations. Whatever game plan was devised during the week ( which was nearly always a good one) was stuck to and he wasn't able to make the in game adjustments. I think that's what happened especially in 2015. Even before the game when the weather made donaghy starting a live option I think it was decided to go with what had been planned all weak.
I know people will say he made the change of Donaghy v Mayo in the 2014 semi but, to be honest it was desperation at that stage.
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Post by thehermit on May 20, 2022 22:40:48 GMT
My one criticism of EF was always that he could never react to in game situations. Whatever game plan was devised during the week ( which was nearly always a good one) was stuck to and he wasn't able to make the in game adjustments. I think that's what happened especially in 2015. Even before the game when the weather made donaghy starting a live option I think it was decided to go with what had been planned all weak. I know people will say he made the change of Donaghy v Mayo in the 2014 semi but, to be honest it was desperation at that stage. That's it in a nutshell, I'd say a lot of our memory of Eamon is of him standing on the sideline that day, hands in the pockets and Diarmuid shouting at him to do something as the game was slipping out of view. Was fairly near them that day so saw it all unfolding.
Still if Killian hadn't dropped that past, was an open goal in front of him. Pulling level with only a few minutes to go and the momentum gone 360 to us, I'd say we could have got over the line.
But yeah a great man to devise a gameplan, totally had Dublin figured out in that first half in 2016. Pity we couldn't make the scoreboard reflect that more at half time.
Ahhh, I'm sick of only remembering losses these last few years. Time to right that and bring Sam home, its not good enough to be waiting 8 years for us to be top of the pile again. I already lived through 87-97 and I'm not that old yet!!
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on May 21, 2022 6:07:08 GMT
My one criticism of EF was always that he could never react to in game situations. Whatever game plan was devised during the week ( which was nearly always a good one) was stuck to and he wasn't able to make the in game adjustments. I think that's what happened especially in 2015. Even before the game when the weather made donaghy starting a live option I think it was decided to go with what had been planned all weak. I know people will say he made the change of Donaghy v Mayo in the 2014 semi but, to be honest it was desperation at that stage. The Monaghan away league game for me in his last season was the death knell. Mark Griffin was left marking Conor McManus 1 on1 inside and was getting a roasting and fitz never changed a thing. It was as clear as day and I couldn’t believe that he left Griffin that exposed. Overall though I liked Fitzmaurice and by all accounts, he was a good man and the players really liked him
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