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Post by veteran on May 29, 2022 11:37:32 GMT
I was terribly disappointed with limerick. Of course, I did not expect them to win or to come close to that. What disappointed me was their non existent physical approach to the game. The age old philosophy in a match where there is a serious disparity in the standards of the respective protagonists, is that the inferior team set out to test the physical resolve of the opposition. In other words, horse into them early and often , even at the expense of earning a couple of yellow cards. There was not even a hint of a Limerick player earning a card of any hue. That is a non negotiable aspect of a match where the combatants are on different levels. More vigour and aggression was displayed at cross roads dancing in years gone by. Therein lies the tale of the match. The more accomplished and skillful team was afforded a no contact freewheel ride on a sunny Saturday afternoon. This resulted in the Kerry management being no wiser after the event as they were before. Indeed, for me, the two most significant events of the game was the worrying sight of Brian O'Beaglaigh and Dylan Casey going off injured in the second half. It would be a shame if we start building up a catalogue of injuries just as the season is reaching a crescendo.
The net outcome of yesterday's match is we now have a four week hiatus to our next encounter after yesterday's jaunt in the Stadium. The one consolation is that Dublin, our putative opponents in a putative semi final, are in the same boat. Talking about Dublin, after coming home, I squeezed in a look at a recording of their first half before signing off for the soccer match. As the Americans might say, they looked awesome. However, at this juncture I am not going waste energy contemplating a match may never take place.
One complaint, a churlish one I suppose, is that after creating several goal opportunities, we were content with points. Now I acknowledge that there is no need or wish to humiliate opponents, yet it is good to develop proper matchday habits. One of those crucial matchday habits is taking goal chances when they arise. On the other hand one could not fault out point taking.
When assessing individual displays there should be no need to stress the caveat of impoverished opposition. I am happy for Killian. He took some great scores and on one occasion in the first half he made a crucial interception in our left corner back position in front of the dressing rooms. On a stiflingly hot day that long journey back demanded a lot of energy. Clearly a reminder to management that he is still around. As in some other games, a few things went marginally wrong for Tony Brosnan. Some day soon those things will fall in to place for him and his full potential will be realised. He does an awful lot of things right and what a beautiful kicker of the ball he is. I am partial to a sweet kicker of a ball. I gather opinions vary on Tony but I continue to be a believer.
I felt Jack Barry had a very big game at midfield. Conversely, not for the first time, Diarmuid flitted in and out. For a man with so much talent he can be infuriatingly inconsistent.
I suppose one should be happy with such a convincing win when one considers the fate of Liverpool and Leinster. Both of those teams were strongly fancied to prevail but both were sucker punched. It proves once more, regardless of your status , regardless of how the suspect the opposition is perceived, you have to go out and do it on grass. The least we can say is that our lads went out and did it on grass yesterday. That will keep us going until our next date.
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Post by onlykerry on May 29, 2022 12:08:57 GMT
Job done - move on. Keeping the team on their toes and injury free is the main task ahead. QF draw will be very important in how our season evolves - after a four week layoff it is possibly our most vulnerable point.
Delighted Dublin won the battle of the Division 2 sides comfortably - Kildare left them waltz through for easy goals and the media will hype Dublin which is great. We can ill afford to be left on the pedestal of run away favourites. In reality I was disappointed by Dublin - they conceded far too much against a poor Kildare side and we all know how goals can dry up against a well organised defence. Dublin will beat most teams but the will struggle against the top sides I think.
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Post by kerryexile on May 29, 2022 12:21:34 GMT
The fear ….the fear.
The fear becomes palpable on this forum when Dublin loom on the horizon and it brings out the worst in people. Fellas are on edge. It kind of reminds me of “The Dog Whisperer”, a programme where Cesar Millan rehabilitates dogs that become problematic for their owners. A point he always makes is that an aggressive dog will not bite, he is just trying to hold his position in the pack and when circumstances change he accepts it. The dog that will bite is the one who becomes fearful because he is confused, can’t read the signals and lashes out in an effort at self-preservation. I am definitely a glass half full person. Dublin do not instil fear. It’s probably because I am old enough to have lived amongst some of the giants on whose shoulders Kerry football is standing. Unfortunately many of the social media era are of a younger age and haven't experienced this, so there is a disproportionate number of people getting the jitters.
I can’t give a cast iron guarantee that we will win the AI but I can guarantee that being positive will win it quicker than being negative.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 29, 2022 12:39:04 GMT
I can confirm I have the jitters.
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Post by Mickmack on May 29, 2022 12:42:28 GMT
I can confirm I have the jitters. The only fear i have is the sort of mindless hubris that pervaded Kerry prior to last years game v Tyrone. In fairness though, its less apparent this year so far.
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Post by mossie on May 29, 2022 12:54:04 GMT
Job done - move on. Keeping the team on their toes and injury free is the main task ahead. QF draw will be very important in how our season evolves - after a four week layoff it is possibly our most vulnerable point. Delighted Dublin won the battle of the Division 2 sides comfortably - Kildare left them waltz through for easy goals and the media will hype Dublin which is great. We can ill afford to be left on the pedestal of run away favourites. In reality I was disappointed by Dublin - they conceded far too much against a poor Kildare side and we all know how goals can dry up against a well organised defence. Dublin will beat most teams but the will struggle against the top sides I think. in the event, the Dublin clash arises, then we will see if our defensive chinks have been ironed out, looking at the Dubs yest, any team would be concerned about facing a forward line of that talent
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Post by mossie on May 29, 2022 12:56:21 GMT
Learned nothing from today other than the sun is hot. Haven't seen a competitive kerry game since last rounds of the league. Too long between games and the number of mismatches needs to be properly addressed by HQ going forward. The provincial championships will be played off over something like 5 weeks next year. Then into 4 groups of 4. The Pope, your prayers have been answered! what time of year will the munster final be played in 2023 and what does it mean in terms of the all ireland series? I dont think any system really addresses the imbalances, it is up to individual counties to raise standard
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Post by kot on May 30, 2022 8:43:36 GMT
Not really much to be learned from Saturday, Limerick were totally out of their depth.
Defensively we looked very solid again, we conceded a goal against all inferior Munster opposition leading in to the All Ireland series last year and it was a bit of an omen when we met a better side in Tyrone. So hopefully that carries forward.
Needless to say Killian Spillane put his hand up and was brilliant on & off the ball all day Saturday. Displayed a great attitude and probably nudged himself ahead of Tony Brosnan who kicked a few nice scores of his own but mixed a bit with wastefulness. 1-28 is a fairly healthy score to be putting up with your marquee forward but having said that there are some concerns.
I have seen kingdomson getting some flak for saying what he said but he is not wrong! We do have a tendency of going head down and bringing the ball in to contact, Paudie Clifford is particularly prone to it and if you do that against some of the teams waiting in the long grass for us, you won't get it back as easy as we did in Saturday.
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Post by piggott on May 30, 2022 10:23:53 GMT
Paudie frequently breaks the tackle and contributed several assists. If we convince him to just pass it off all the time we will be just like Donegal and Derry.
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Post by keane on May 30, 2022 11:40:57 GMT
Watch Geaney and O'Brien butchering the simple goal chance against Tyrone last year and you will see hand-passing the ball over the bar to be nice coming home to roost. Days come when you need to burst the net and there will never, never, never be any such thing as too much practice.
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Post by The16thMan on May 30, 2022 11:56:38 GMT
Paudie frequently breaks the tackle and contributed several assists. If we convince him to just pass it off all the time we will be just like Donegal and Derry. I agree, any player can play laterally and backwards. We don't want to repeat what Derry and Donegal produced yesterday. We play our best when we attack at pace and move the ball quickly. Paudie's direct running is a breath of fresh air, it's just about knowing when its on. Obviously if there's 3 bodies in his way he shouldn't be going for it but if he spots a mismatch he should be going for it. That's what made Declan so effective, taking players on from half forward and penetrating the defence. Paudie has flashes of Declan with his low centre of gravity and this shouldn't be wasted.
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Post by legendz on May 30, 2022 12:16:25 GMT
The provincial championships will be played off over something like 5 weeks next year. Then into 4 groups of 4. The Pope, your prayers have been answered! what time of year will the munster final be played in 2023 and what does it mean in terms of the all ireland series? I dont think any system really addresses the imbalances, it is up to individual counties to raise standard All I've heard is that the provincial championships will be played out in 5 weeks. The league final this year was April 3rd. If the provincial championships started on April 17th for 5 weeks, the Munster final would have been May 14th. I'm not sure 3 group games, a preliminary quarter-final, quarter-final and semi-final will allow for an All-Ireland final on July 24th. The GAA might have to find a week or two to add to the calendar.
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Post by onlykerry on May 30, 2022 12:20:11 GMT
Occasional running at a defence is an important tool in the attacking toolbox but it needs to be executed well and not simply into a cul de sac - it also requires team support to either pick up any loose balls that may arise or be there to support the runner by taking a relieving pass.
Variety in play - particularly attack puts pressure on a defence to cover multiple options and thereby help generate the half yard of space that is needed to get a shot off. Being predictable is easier to defend.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 30, 2022 13:33:19 GMT
Paudie frequently breaks the tackle and contributed several assists. If we convince him to just pass it off all the time we will be just like Donegal and Derry. I agree, any player can play laterally and backwards. We don't want to repeat what Derry and Donegal produced yesterday. We play our best when we attack at pace and move the ball quickly. Paudie's direct running is a breath of fresh air, it's just about knowing when its on. Obviously if there's 3 bodies in his way he shouldn't be going for it but if he spots a mismatch he should be going for it. That's what made Declan so effective, taking players on from half forward and penetrating the defence. Paudie has flashes of Declan with his low centre of gravity and this shouldn't be wasted. Without thinking too deeply on it (and I don't know enough about football to be definitive on it), I don't like to see Kerry players bringing the ball into the tackle. I like Kerry players to be moving the ball on forwards quickly by the foot. That doesn't equate to Donegal vs Derry. Obviously this is a little too general (and their are exceptions such as Gavin White) but Kerry should in my opinion be moving the ball at pace. Holding and carrying the ball is not that. Now that I read your post again I read "attack at pace".
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Post by dc84 on May 30, 2022 13:37:41 GMT
Occasional running at a defence is an important tool in the attacking toolbox but it needs to be executed well and not simply into a cul de sac - it also requires team support to either pick up any loose balls that may arise or be there to support the runner by taking a relieving pass. Variety in play - particularly attack puts pressure on a defence to cover multiple options and thereby help generate the half yard of space that is needed to get a shot off. Being predictable is easier to defend. Dead right it needs to be collective if Gavin white goes then he needs support runners like o brien and o connor with him. Predictability is an utter disaster you need to be able to have the freedom to play whats on
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 30, 2022 15:56:13 GMT
+1 for Killian Spillane was right to go for goal vs Tyrone.
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Post by peanuts on May 30, 2022 16:01:29 GMT
+1 for Killian Spillane was right to go for goal vs Tyrone. Not for me I'm afraid. Maybe if he had dummied Harte there might have been a goal on but IMHO the angle was too tight and Morgan would've saved it in any case.
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Post by Kingdomson on May 30, 2022 16:40:05 GMT
We could argue forever about wrong options taken but I think we can all agree on a need for better situational awareness in attack, and to be more cohesive in attack as a unit. I sometimes wonder if we train with blinkers on?! There was a Kerry forward on his way to being footballer of the Year in 2019 before returning to type when the pressure came from Dublin. Running into walls, spilling ball, taking the wrong options or ignoring team mates in an open position! I don't mean to pick on this one player because we are seeing it year in and year out and there are several examples over the last number of years of established players showing an amazing lack of situational awareness when the pressure comes on.
Nice guys too can jog on, we need to be ruthless. It's easy to imagine Dublin would have tattooed 7 or 8 goals past Limerick and there would be no apology for it. The most cohesive forward line Kerry ever produced were that way for a reason - there was no one tapping balls over the crossbar against Clare down in Milltown Malbay back in 1979!
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Post by Ballyfireside on May 30, 2022 17:03:17 GMT
It boils down to leadership and then what laddos do on the field.
Management need to know how the game is evolving, lead it - just like what Tyrone did tactically last year.
We are oozing of class so our players are equal to the challenge, once they are coached into nullifying opposing tactics, imposing our plan and leading the way. They need to show their class with on the spot decision making and manning up to what is thrown at them in the white heat like Kerry does when the game is there for the taking.
I hope paralysis by analysis doesn't seep into the team and the forum mightn't be the only reservoir of knowledge - look at how the media gets to Dublin, did they get to Leinster.
How many managers will be looking at what O'Gara did vs Leinster?
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Post by Whosinmidfield on May 30, 2022 17:14:10 GMT
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Post by ruralgaa on May 31, 2022 15:21:03 GMT
+1 for Killian Spillane was right to go for goal vs Tyrone. Not for me I'm afraid. Maybe if he had dummied Harte there might have been a goal on but IMHO the angle was too tight and Morgan would've saved it in any case. A lot of people seem to forget that we scored from the 45 that his deflected shot went out for. Regardless of whether he was right or wrong we still ended up getting a point from that attack, it wasn't the crime it was made out to be by Killian going for goal.
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Post by dc84 on Jun 1, 2022 16:43:55 GMT
A lot of people seem to forget that we scored from the 45 that his deflected shot went out for. Regardless of whether he was right or wrong we still ended up getting a point from that attack, it wasn't the crime it was made out to be by Killian going for goal. I had forgotten myself. Good point indeed pardon the punn. He probably shouldn't have gone 4 it wasn't a big deal at all though. The geaney /o brien one was the big one really geaney couldve tried to go round Morgan ( tough off balance I know) but o brien over ran it into the square which was the main problem
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