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Post by greengold35 on Apr 17, 2022 18:01:02 GMT
I actually remember him playing railway cup for Connaught in the 80s. He was the only non Galway man on the team. In 1977, he was a County Championship winner in hurling and football on the same afternoon with two different clubs. Played in both games too. I would say Ogie Moran?! |
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Post by southward on Apr 17, 2022 19:08:51 GMT
In 1977, he was a County Championship winner in hurling and football on the same afternoon with two different clubs. Played in both games too. I would say Ogie Moran?! Sorry, that wasn't a question - see re Joe Henry above. |
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Post by veteran on Apr 17, 2022 20:06:38 GMT
In what year was the throw in first contested between the four midfielders? It looked total chaos up to then with all players involved. I don’t know the answer to that Aodhan but the shenanigans currently at the throw in are as unsightly as anything that went previously. |
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Post by Moderator on Apr 17, 2022 22:40:40 GMT
The sub keeper came in and Eamonn went up to the forwards. I can't remember the sub keeper's name (I have Kerins in my head?) but he was then ineligible for the Kerry juniors, who went on to win the All Ireland. Did Teddy Bowler move into goals from full back and an out field sub brought on? It was Josie O'Brien from Kerins ORahilly's that came on in goals...Thorny O'Shea went off and Eamonn O'Donoghue moved from goalie to corner forward.
Josie was ineligible for the juniors after making a senior appearance, so the All-Ireland winning junior goalie was none other than Weeshie Fogarty.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 18, 2022 2:39:17 GMT
In what year was the throw in first contested between the four midfielders? It looked total chaos up to then with all players involved. I don’t know the answer to that Aodhan but the shenanigans currently at the throw in are as unsightly as anything that went previously. Ah jazus man get real, today's latchicos of handbag stuff would be cannon fodder when boys were men - fitter today but stronger then, brutes. Tis a while since there was just the 4 involved and while a clean catch is a spectacle, the rummaging really gets the tails up. BTW did ye see the beaut of a fly killer Waterford goal, albeit the ball was thrown to the sniper, was dj Carey the last fly killer? |
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Post by piggott on Apr 18, 2022 9:11:00 GMT
I don’t know the answer to that Aodhan but the shenanigans currently at the throw in are as unsightly as anything that went previously. Ah jazus man get real, today's latchicos of handbag stuff would be cannon fodder when boys were men - fitter today but stronger then, brutes. Tis a while since there was just the 4 involved and while a clean catch is a spectacle, the rummaging really gets the tails up. BTW did ye see the beaut of a fly killer Waterford goal, albeit the ball was thrown to the sniper, was dj Carey the last fly killer? Correct. Did Josie ever again play with Kerry? Not many of that 1967 team were on the 1969 winning All Ireland squad. |
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Post by Aodhan on Apr 18, 2022 13:51:48 GMT
Correct piggott. Very true veteran, the shenanigans begin before the ball is thrown in, can’t understand why the referees allow this as it’s only getting worse. Has creeped in at club level also as we witnessed in the recent county semi final. Possession is far more vital than in days of yore. Back then if a back won possession and hoofed it up the field without looking it was considered a job well done, nowadays a player could be taken off for it especially if he continuously turns over the ball. |
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Post by piggott on Apr 18, 2022 22:39:15 GMT
True or False? Jackie Lyne was the only member of the 1946 All Ireland winning panel to also win a medal 7 years later in 1953?
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Post by himself on Apr 19, 2022 6:58:49 GMT
Good question! I think Gerald O'Sullivan and John Joe Sheehan were there on both teams. The hammering by Cork in '52 saw a huge transition in the team
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 19, 2022 7:22:23 GMT
Was 1953 the year that an SOS was sent out to all Kerrymen (who were playing with other counties) to play with Kerry so that the famine would end?
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Post by himself on Apr 19, 2022 10:08:30 GMT
Yes. I'm told that John Joe Sheehy in particular was appalled at how badly Kerry were hammered by Cork in 1952, and it would have been much worse but for a tour de force by Paddy Bawn Brosnan. Approaches were made to the Cronin brothers from Milltown and Ned Roche in Tipperary among others (I think they were all army men) by Micheal O Ruairc. It worked.
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Post by piggott on Apr 19, 2022 10:32:28 GMT
Outside of John Cronin and Ned Roche it was mostly same team hammered by Cork in 1952 that won Sam in 1953. Paddy Bawn had retired and Jackie repositioned to corner forward.
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Post by veteran on Apr 19, 2022 16:00:58 GMT
Piggott recently referred to an unusual substitution in the 1967 Munster Final. It brought to mind another unusual substitution. In an All-Ireland semifinal one of our wing backs went off injured. Our chosen centre forward was switched back to replace him. That type of a switch is rare enough in itself but what made the switch more bizarre was that at that stage the CHF had scored three points. In partial defence of the selectors the replacement CHF scored two points. Match? The three players involved?
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 19, 2022 19:28:15 GMT
Talking of Dwyer reminds of a coincidental meet I had with Galway's Noel Tierney of a day during lockdown - Noel and Dwyer had a few good outings and Micko always said Galway in this era were problematic.
Tierney's hands today still tell you how powerful he was and the magical, majestic conversation made my day for sure, one of those moments one will always treasure. He was saying he was a good pal of the Valentia man too and they must have crossed swords - frenemies they were, great frenemies!
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Post by kerryexile on Apr 19, 2022 20:08:57 GMT
Piggott recently referred to an unusual substitution in the 1967 Munster Final. It brought to mind another unusual substitution. In an All-Ireland semifinal one of our wing backs went off injured. Our chosen centre forward was switched back to replace him. That type of a switch is rare enough in itself but what made the switch more bizarre was that at that stage the CHF had scored three points. In partial defence of the selectors the replacement CHF scored two points. Match? The three players involved? Good question Veteran and I have only part of the answer. The CF that moved back was almost certainly Ogie Moran. Tommy Doyle could have been either the wing back taken off or the CF brought on. I will guess Paudie Lynch was the third player. |
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Post by veteran on Apr 19, 2022 20:18:04 GMT
Piggott recently referred to an unusual substitution in the 1967 Munster Final. It brought to mind another unusual substitution. In an All-Ireland semifinal one of our wing backs went off injured. Our chosen centre forward was switched back to replace him. That type of a switch is rare enough in itself but what made the switch more bizarre was that at that stage the CHF had scored three points. In partial defence of the selectors the replacement CHF scored two points. Match? The three players involved? Good question Veteran and I have only part of the answer. The CF that moved back was almost certainly Ogie Moran. Tommy Doyle could have been either the wing back taken off or the CF brought on. I will guess Paudie Lynch was the third player. Kerryexile, you paint a plausible scenario but it is not the answer I am looking for. Ciarraimick, I will not comment on your answer for the moment. |
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Post by piggott on Apr 19, 2022 20:33:58 GMT
Ciarraimick is on the right track. The year was 1961. Sean Murphy went off, Timmy Sullivan went to wing back and Tomo Burke came on CHF and scored 0-02.
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Post by veteran on Apr 19, 2022 21:51:29 GMT
Piggott recently referred to an unusual substitution in the 1967 Munster Final. It brought to mind another unusual substitution. In an All-Ireland semifinal one of our wing backs went off injured. Our chosen centre forward was switched back to replace him. That type of a switch is rare enough in itself but what made the switch more bizarre was that at that stage the CHF had scored three points. In partial defence of the selectors the replacement CHF scored two points. Match? The three players involved? Full marks to Piggott and Ciarraimick gets a high recommendation for possibly setting Piggott along the right tracks. It was the 1961 semifinal defeat to Down. Dr. Sean Murphy, coming to the end of his days, was at RHB , and went off injured. Timmy O’Sullivan , after scoring 0-3 at CHF on Dan McCartan , was switched too RHB. Timmy was replaced at CHF by fellow Castleisland man, Tomo Burke, who proceeded to kick two points . Tomo would normally have been a midfielder. Dr. Sean of course is regarded as one of the greatest footballers ever, and indeed the 1959 final is often referred as the Sean Murphy final, such was his dominance. You wouldn’t pick Sean out too often in a county championship match or indeed in a lesser NFL but in the concluding NFL matches and in championship marches and above all when these hit Croke Park well then you saw him in all his glory . The big day sometimes intimidates players , the big day exalted the Camp man. While Sean was a right half back or nowhere man , his understated , wonderfully versatile brother , Seamus , could play with distinction in the full back line, half back line, midfield and half forward line. Such a complete footballer. He died at a young age. L Timmy O’Sullivan was a high fielder at CHF or midfield . Won his senior medal in 1962 and NFL in 1963, Died a young man. A sister married Patsy Skin O’Connell of Tarbert. Tomo Burke was more a midfielder but came on that day at CHF and kicked two points as stated . I don’t think Tomo has a senior medal but has a junior medal and possibly a NFL from 1959. Tomo has been trading as an electrical dealer In Castleisland for decades. |
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Post by piggott on Apr 20, 2022 19:49:52 GMT
To get back to my True or False and medal winners 1946 and 1953, it was just Jackie. Gerald O Sullivan came on in 46 semi final v Antrim but didnt get a medal. While checking list of subs who won Aii Ireland medals there are a number of names I wouldn't have been familiar with. 1937 Paddy O'Brien Strand St, 1939 Mitchell McCarthy Mile Height, Johnny Moriarty Dingle, Jim Ban Fitzgerald, 1941 Jim Pierce, 1946 Brendan Kelliher Castlemaine, 1959 Paddy Hussey Dingle, 1978 Gerald Griffin Beale, 1981 Pat Sheahan Glenbeigh, 1984 Donie Hartnett Beaufort.
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Post by himself on Apr 20, 2022 20:04:47 GMT
Just wondering, Piggott. Where can I find the list of All Ireland winners? I don't know of a good source.
There is a lovely plaque at the entrance to Currans with a list of names including hurling, it's a very nice piece.
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Post by piggott on Apr 20, 2022 22:35:33 GMT
Local History. Kerry County Library.
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Post by Moderator on Apr 20, 2022 23:08:38 GMT
To get back to my True or False and medal winners 1946 and 1953, it was just Jackie. Gerald O Sullivan came on in 46 semi final v Antrim but didnt get a medal. While checking list of subs who won Aii Ireland medals there are a number of names I wouldn't have been familiar with. 1937 Paddy O'Brien Strand St, 1939 Mitchell McCarthy Mile Height, Johnny Moriarty Dingle, Jim Ban Fitzgerald, 1941 Jim Pierce, 1946 Brendan Kelliher Castlemaine, 1959 Paddy Hussey Dingle, 1978 Gerald Griffin Beale, 1981 Pat Sheahan Glenbeigh, 1984 Donie Hartnett Beaufort. My understanding of the medal distribution would indicate Gerald O'Sullivan got a medal in 1946, and a few lads listed did not.
The provincial and All-Ireland series were considered to be separate competitions and if a player participated in a particular competition, they were entitled to a medal. An appearance by a sub in a game is considered to have participated in that competition.
Therefore, as Gerald appeared in the semi-final of the All-Ireland championship in 1946, he was entitled to an All-Ireland medal.
Similarly, in the same year, Frank O'Keeffe appeared in only 1 championship game all year...the replay of the All-Ireland final, so he would have received an All-Ireland medal but no Munster medal since he didn't participate in the Munster competition.
Sub goalies never got a medal either, although the rules were changed some years ago to include all panel members and I think the winning County Board has the option to buy more medals than the official number allocated by Croke Park (or the Munster Council for Munster titles).
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 21, 2022 0:33:13 GMT
Just wondering, Piggott. Where can I find the list of All Ireland winners? I don't know of a good source. There is a lovely plaque at the entrance to Currans with a list of names including hurling, it's a very nice piece. Does Currans embrace GAA history? The tour of Croke park is on my bucket list - anyone do it? The GAA's 138 year history in the context of the country as a whole would be interesting - almost as intriguing as the nation's history in the context of the GAA, given how closely aligned they are. I stand corrected here and while it may not be black and white, I don't believe there is any sporting community anywhere in this earthly world that is even nearly as significant in it's geographic footprint as the GAA is in Ireland. Welsh Rugby is the only one that springs to mind but it is largely professional and of just 2 codes, man and women. A well travelled Derry man once put it that other nationalities wouldn't even be able to begin to imagine what we have - maybe we don't understand it ourselves? |
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Post by piggott on Apr 21, 2022 7:56:28 GMT
To get back to my True or False and medal winners 1946 and 1953, it was just Jackie. Gerald O Sullivan came on in 46 semi final v Antrim but didnt get a medal. While checking list of subs who won Aii Ireland medals there are a number of names I wouldn't have been familiar with. 1937 Paddy O'Brien Strand St, 1939 Mitchell McCarthy Mile Height, Johnny Moriarty Dingle, Jim Ban Fitzgerald, 1941 Jim Pierce, 1946 Brendan Kelliher Castlemaine, 1959 Paddy Hussey Dingle, 1978 Gerald Griffin Beale, 1981 Pat Sheahan Glenbeigh, 1984 Donie Hartnett Beaufort. My understanding of the medal distribution would indicate Gerald O'Sullivan got a medal in 1946, and a few lads listed did not.
The provincial and All-Ireland series were considered to be separate competitions and if a player participated in a particular competition, they were entitled to a medal. An appearance by a sub in a game is considered to have participated in that competition.
Therefore, as Gerald appeared in the semi-final of the All-Ireland championship in 1946, he was entitled to an All-Ireland medal.
Similarly, in the same year, Frank O'Keeffe appeared in only 1 championship game all year...the replay of the All-Ireland final, so he would have received an All-Ireland medal but no Munster medal since he didn't participate in the Munster competition.
Sub goalies never got a medal either, although the rules were changed some years ago to include all panel members and I think the winning County Board has the option to buy more medals than the official number allocated by Croke Park (or the Munster Council for Munster titles).
The five listed are Gus Cremins, Ger Teahan, Bruddy O'Donnell, Brendan Kelliher, and Tom Long. Did Gerald get a 6th medal? |
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Post by thehermit on Apr 21, 2022 10:52:08 GMT
Just wondering, Piggott. Where can I find the list of All Ireland winners? I don't know of a good source. There is a lovely plaque at the entrance to Currans with a list of names including hurling, it's a very nice piece. Does Currans embrace GAA history? The tour of Croke park is on my bucket list - anyone do it? The GAA's 138 year history in the context of the country as a whole would be interesting - almost as intriguing as the nation's history in the context of the GAA, given how closely aligned they are. I stand corrected here and while it may not be black and white, I don't believe there is any sporting community anywhere in this earthly world that is even nearly as significant in it's geographic footprint as the GAA is in Ireland. Welsh Rugby is the only one that springs to mind but it is largely professional and of just 2 codes, man and women. A well travelled Derry man once put it that other nationalities wouldn't even be able to begin to imagine what we have - maybe we don't understand it ourselves?
The tour of Croke Park is good Bally, as good as any stadium tour I've done on my travels. I was brought up to the Skyline part and that was interesting just to see, it would be a great vantage point to actually watch a game. I would recommend the museum too for anyone who hasn't done it.
It's just a pity we can't get our own one sorted down here, I used love going into the bit they had in the Kerry County museum when I was a kid.
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Post by Moderator on Apr 21, 2022 21:26:29 GMT
My understanding of the medal distribution would indicate Gerald O'Sullivan got a medal in 1946, and a few lads listed did not.
The provincial and All-Ireland series were considered to be separate competitions and if a player participated in a particular competition, they were entitled to a medal. An appearance by a sub in a game is considered to have participated in that competition.
Therefore, as Gerald appeared in the semi-final of the All-Ireland championship in 1946, he was entitled to an All-Ireland medal.
Similarly, in the same year, Frank O'Keeffe appeared in only 1 championship game all year...the replay of the All-Ireland final, so he would have received an All-Ireland medal but no Munster medal since he didn't participate in the Munster competition.
Sub goalies never got a medal either, although the rules were changed some years ago to include all panel members and I think the winning County Board has the option to buy more medals than the official number allocated by Croke Park (or the Munster Council for Munster titles).
The five listed are Gus Cremins, Ger Teahan, Bruddy O'Donnell, Brendan Kelliher, and Tom Long. Did Gerald get a 6th medal? I’m saying Gearald was entitled to a medal...whether he got one or not is a different question. Of course, if more than 21 players were used over the semifinal and final and only 21 medals were issued, then somebody lost out. Tom Long played his first championship game for Kerry in 1956, a full decade later, so that brings your entire reference source into serious question. |
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Post by piggott on Apr 21, 2022 22:26:17 GMT
Tom Long is on the record. Not Tom from Ventry but Tom from Dingle. Later a publican. Played junior with Kerry 1940s
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Post by piggott on Apr 21, 2022 22:55:50 GMT
The same Tom captained Kerry to win Junior All Ireland in 1949. That was the one where Sean Murphy and John Dowling played midfield. Sean won a minor the following year.
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Post by Moderator on Apr 22, 2022 1:07:50 GMT
piggott...good info on Tom Long (Dingle) v Tom Long (Ventry)...glad to be corrected.
By my records, Kerry used 16 players in the 1946 Replay, and a further 3 in the drawn game that did not feature in the replay (subs Dowling and Kelliher, plus Willie O'Donnell who was dropped).
The semifinal v Antrim had Ger Teahan at wing back and Gerald O'Sullivan as a used sub (for Teahan), both of whom did not feature in either the Final or the Replay.
That's 21 different players used in the All-Ireland Championship who would have earned a medal.
Who actually got medals is a different story, it seems.
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Post by piggott on Apr 22, 2022 8:22:41 GMT
As far as I know there were only 20 medals. Weeshie missed out in 1969 even though he was sub goalie. It was then increased to 21. Mike Hassett didnt get one in 1997 even though he was captain for Munster final.
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