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Post by kerryeastcoastusa on Apr 26, 2022 11:24:15 GMT
Can anyone tell me which players are u20, u19 and u18 from a Kerry point of view? The 2019 minor team contained - Burns, Dineen, , Curran, O’Brien, Jack O’Connor, Geaney, Hassett, Goulding & Cronin. The 2020 team had - Broderick ( sub keeper), Nagle, O’Callaghan, Heinrich, Evans, Shine & O’Donnell. Dara O’Callaghan was the only minor from last year in the squad. I think G Hassett was on last years minor team also |
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Post by southward on Apr 26, 2022 12:43:11 GMT
Speaking of Tommy, my goodness he put in a bone crusher of a shoulder on his opponent, capsized him but in fairness to the Cork lad he got up and played away. Indeed Tommy hurt his left shoulder in that collision and unsurprisingly did not reappear after half time. After the match I noticed he had his left arm/shoulder in a sling. Vicious shoulder challenges like that were noteworthy aspects of the game. For example , pint sized Evan Looney delivered another one and this time the unfortunate Cork man had to go off. I'm of the opinion that these statement shoulders should be outlawed. They're usually more about sabre-rattling and getting the crowd going than actually winning possession. More importantly, they're dangerous and we saw the results of that last night. Tommy Cronin ended up wrecking himself and Looney's challenge resulted in a clash of heads that ended the Cork lad's night - he was lucky not to be carded. Two fellas going shoulder to shoulder tussling for possession is a different matter of course. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 26, 2022 13:43:45 GMT
Speaking of Tommy, my goodness he put in a bone crusher of a shoulder on his opponent, capsized him but in fairness to the Cork lad he got up and played away. Indeed Tommy hurt his left shoulder in that collision and unsurprisingly did not reappear after half time. After the match I noticed he had his left arm/shoulder in a sling. Vicious shoulder challenges like that were noteworthy aspects of the game. For example , pint sized Evan Looney delivered another one and this time the unfortunate Cork man had to go off. I'm of the opinion that these statement shoulders should be outlawed. They're usually more about sabre-rattling and getting the crowd going than actually winning possession. More importantly, they're dangerous and we saw the results of that last night. Tommy Cronin ended up wrecking himself and Looney's challenge resulted in a clash of heads that ended the Cork lad's night - he was lucky not to be carded. Two fellas going shoulder to shoulder tussling for possession is a different matter of course. Ahhh now Let’s not completely sanitize the game. Those hits are magnificent! |
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Post by dc84 on Apr 26, 2022 13:52:40 GMT
I'm of the opinion that these statement shoulders should be outlawed. They're usually more about sabre-rattling and getting the crowd going than actually winning possession. More importantly, they're dangerous and we saw the results of that last night. Tommy Cronin ended up wrecking himself and Looney's challenge resulted in a clash of heads that ended the Cork lad's night - he was lucky not to be carded. Two fellas going shoulder to shoulder tussling for possession is a different matter of course. Ahhh now Let’s not completely sanitize the game. Those hits are magnificent! It's a grey area though how do you put it in a rule book ? 2 lads tussling for a ball but what if they are going at different speeds? I can see both sides tbh, I actually thought cork were well on top and were dominant physically until that hit and the rest of the team then followed suit I thought it was a turning point myself and was roaring at the tv myself! They are dangerous though and can lead to serious injuries and concussions which are a disaster in any sport just look at that poor English rugby player and his tribulations recently. |
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Post by westgaa on Apr 26, 2022 14:31:39 GMT
Think some lads on here just want to be negative, cork at times had 14 if not 15 behind the ball, at least we held the ball no point kicking into a crowd of players getting turned over, on our own defensive performance, we held cork to 7 points, our backs, midfield and half forward line worked very hard, every player isn't going to be on fire every game so its great to have a bench to have an impact like we did, will be needed v Tyrone aswel,looking forward to it.
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Post by veteran on Apr 26, 2022 15:05:34 GMT
Speaking of Tommy, my goodness he put in a bone crusher of a shoulder on his opponent, capsized him but in fairness to the Cork lad he got up and played away. Indeed Tommy hurt his left shoulder in that collision and unsurprisingly did not reappear after half time. After the match I noticed he had his left arm/shoulder in a sling. Vicious shoulder challenges like that were noteworthy aspects of the game. For example , pint sized Evan Looney delivered another one and this time the unfortunate Cork man had to go off. I'm of the opinion that these statement shoulders should be outlawed. They're usually more about sabre-rattling and getting the crowd going than actually winning possession. More importantly, they're dangerous and we saw the results of that last night. Tommy Cronin ended up wrecking himself and Looney's challenge resulted in a clash of heads that ended the Cork lad's night - he was lucky not to be carded. Two fellas going shoulder to shoulder tussling for possession is a different matter of course. On what basis should Evan Looney have been carded for that challenge? Because there was an accidental clash of heads as a result? If a clash of heads resulted from. “ two fellas going shoulder to shoulder for possession “ which of course could happen, would a card be merited in those circumstances as well? Of course these vigorous challenges are “ sabre rattling “ and get “ the crowd going “ , should sabre rattling and and crowd “incitement “ be outlawed too? Have “excuse me tackling “ as substitute? I don’t think so. Now if somebody recklessly horses into somebody , then that is a different matter. From my vantage point, very close to the incident , there was nothing reckless or illegal about the challenge. I took no pleasure I can assure you in seeing the young Cork boy being forced off but these things are unavoidable in a physical contact game. You are right about one aspect of the story. It certainly got the crowd going, just as a magnificent fetch or a magnificent score would do. More of these crowd lifting incidents I say. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Apr 26, 2022 17:07:24 GMT
In was at an U15 county Final last year, flat game both sets of forwards shadow boxing etc. A long ball came over the top and the centre back did a fair should to shoulder charge on the midfielder coming through the centre, right out of the Liam Flahety book of challenges.. it ignited the stand more than any score of the night that one challenge upped the tempo on one swoop.. totally different game after that.
The fair shoulder charge is part of our game, when administered correctly with both feet firmly on the ground, it's a thing of beauty.
Long may it continue.
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Post by mg72 on Apr 26, 2022 17:58:28 GMT
The 2019 minor team contained - Burns, Dineen, , Curran, O’Brien, Jack O’Connor, Geaney, Hassett, Goulding & Cronin. The 2020 team had - Broderick ( sub keeper), Nagle, O’Callaghan, Heinrich, Evans, Shine & O’Donnell. Dara O’Callaghan was the only minor from last year in the squad. I think G Hassett was on last years minor team also It was Gearoid's younger brother Eoin who was on the last years minor team. He was also on the 2020 squad. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2022 18:13:32 GMT
While I would be reluctant to outlaw the shoulder from the game, the problem is a lot of the time is that it is not a fair contest as the recipient of the shoulder oftentimes is not prepared for it and has likely received a pass that has made it inevitable he is about to be smashed. All legal perhaps but given the power of the modern intercounty player, it means injuries are inevitable.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 26, 2022 18:59:06 GMT
The game is becoming less and less contact as it is.
It's a contact sport, if you mistime the hit like Small last year then it's a red but if you time it right then it's a great part of the game.
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Post by southward on Apr 26, 2022 19:01:24 GMT
While I would be reluctant to outlaw the shoulder from the game, the problem is a lot of the time is that it is not a fair contest as the recipient of the shoulder oftentimes is not prepared for it and has likely received a pass that has made it inevitable he is about to be smashed. All legal perhaps but given the power of the modern intercounty player, it means injuries are inevitable. Exactly. I'm not advocating the demise of the traditional shoulder contest either but there are times when a player is simply blindsided or is in the act of collecting a pass and therefore not in a position to compete or defend himself. And no doubt there are players who will seek out and utilise such opportunities to smash and, dare I say it, to hurt an opponent. There's nothing noble or manly about that, quite the opposite. Not that I'm suggesting for a second that this occurred last night, it most certainly didn't but the potential is always there and it's easily distinguished when it happens. |
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 26, 2022 19:04:02 GMT
While I would be reluctant to outlaw the shoulder from the game, the problem is a lot of the time is that it is not a fair contest as the recipient of the shoulder oftentimes is not prepared for it and has likely received a pass that has made it inevitable he is about to be smashed. All legal perhaps but given the power of the modern intercounty player, it means injuries are inevitable. I am sure rule makers envisaged two players eyeing each other up and both knowingly hitting each other shoulder to shoulder. And it really in a great aspect of the game. Too often my liking we see players taking the opportunity to 'do' an opponent who is blindsided. And a shoulder to the head as we all know can lead to serious injury. Also, the rule was drafted in an era of catch and kick. I think the handpassing game can lead to more players being blindsided as their body position is different to players jumping for a ball. Finally... some players are 6 foot 4 and some are 5 foot 8. When they go shoulder to shoulder its not going to be shoulder to shoulder. I think the GAA need to look at the issue. |
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Post by givehimaball on Apr 26, 2022 19:49:09 GMT
While I would be reluctant to outlaw the shoulder from the game, the problem is a lot of the time is that it is not a fair contest as the recipient of the shoulder oftentimes is not prepared for it and has likely received a pass that has made it inevitable he is about to be smashed. All legal perhaps but given the power of the modern intercounty player, it means injuries are inevitable. I am sure rule makers envisaged two players eyeing each other up and both knowingly hitting each other shoulder to shoulder. And it really in a great aspect of the game. Too often my liking we see players taking the opportunity to 'do' an opponent who is blindsided. And a shoulder to the head as we all know can lead to serious injury. Also, the rule was drafted in an era of catch and kick. I think the handpassing game can lead to more players being blindsided as their body position is different to players jumping for a ball. Finally... some players are 6 foot 4 and some are 5 foot 8. When they go shoulder to shoulder its not going to be shoulder to shoulder. I think the GAA need to look at the issue. There's also the fact that a huge percent of the time attempts at shoulders are seriously ineffective as away of turning over possession. A huge amount of time a shoulder ends up having no affect and a serious chunk of the time it ends up with it being a free against. I would guess that less 20% of the time possession is turned over based on a shoulder. Also keep an eye out for those blindsiding shoulders - a serious amount of the time when this happens, the player making the shoulder would have been far better off focusing on the ball as if you are catching a player on their blindside a serious chunk of the time the ball is pretty much always not fully protected and is ripe for being turned over. |
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Post by glengael on Apr 27, 2022 8:52:30 GMT
Devon Burns double save in the first half deserves a mention. If a senior goalkeeper did that, it would be on a loop in The Sunday Game that night.
Kerry dropped a few short into the keeper's hands in that first half. The pass leading to the goal chance which the Cork keeper saved was excellent also.
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Post by dodgyknees on Apr 28, 2022 8:23:31 GMT
I was very impressed by one of Kerry's midfielders, he made several runs straight through the middle of the cork defense. Can't remember his name though.
Should make for a good game against Tyrone if kerry can bring they're second half performance and get a little more clinical up front.
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Post by mg72 on Apr 28, 2022 16:45:24 GMT
I was very impressed by one of Kerry's midfielders, he made several runs straight through the middle of the cork defense. Can't remember his name though. Should make for a good game against Tyrone if kerry can bring they're second half performance and get a little more clinical up front. Ruari Murphy from Listry. He never made development squads or the Kerry minors on the way up, so he's a fine example of how fellas improve at different stages. He's a very good basketball player too. You can see that in his play, the way that he can control the ball well and make space for himself in a tight situation. |
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 28, 2022 20:40:52 GMT
Delayed coverage of Leinster final has just started on TG4
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 28, 2022 21:48:07 GMT
What a game that was,
Some of the scores were top class.
Kildare fully deserving winners.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 28, 2022 21:53:22 GMT
There is something stirring in Kildare.
This is the third time in 3 months that a Kildare team won a competition in great style...club intermediate hurling, Hogan and now Leinster u20.
This was like an under 14 game where both sides just went for it and concepts like sweeper and the blanket were no where to be seen.
Dublin missed clear chances to draw level but Shane Farrell the number 12 fielded the last kickout and it led to a point and that was that. The same lad saved a certain goal for Dublin earlier.
Kildare deserved to win overall. Both sides kicked some super points from play.
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Post by ciarraimick on Apr 28, 2022 22:04:04 GMT
No disrespect to Sligo but I would think Kildare should make final.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 28, 2022 22:07:20 GMT
No disrespect to Sligo but I would think Kildare should make final. No question about that Mick. |
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Post by westgaa on Apr 29, 2022 6:37:17 GMT
When is the Tyrone game being fixed? Any idea?
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 29, 2022 8:27:58 GMT
When is the Tyrone game being fixed? Any idea? It's fixed for next weekend, Some confusion as to the day as RTE had reported that it was down for Sat however that is clashing with the seniors. |
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Apr 29, 2022 9:15:41 GMT
When is the Tyrone game being fixed? Any idea? It would be hilarious if Tyrone refused to budge from Saturday, 7th May to the following day. I'm hoping it is Sunday. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 29, 2022 9:26:31 GMT
When is the Tyrone game being fixed? Any idea? It would be hilarious if Tyrone refused to budge from Saturday, 7th May to the following day. I'm hoping it is Sunday. Eventually the KCB gonna be like: |
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Post by Jo90 on Apr 29, 2022 9:43:42 GMT
Incredible to think that with Dublin eliminated, Kerry are strong favourites to win it outright.
Kildare looked very impressive and I expect them to win it out.
If they had played the threadbare Cork team, they'd have the game done and dusted by halftime.
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Post by tpo on Apr 29, 2022 10:31:57 GMT
Don't think it works that way
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Post by himself on Apr 29, 2022 10:56:47 GMT
I would be absolutely amazed if Kerry are any kind of favourites for this competition. I thought we were poor enough overall and overly defensive in style against both Clare and an understrength Cork. Tyrone looked good to me and I would consider them favourites, followed by Kildare (that was a great game to watch). Kerry have potential but seem to struggle for form.
I have to say that I think the drop in age to U20 and U17 has been disastrous in terms of the quality of the games as far as I can see.
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Post by dc84 on Apr 29, 2022 11:57:13 GMT
Yeah we have a chance alright but I would agree kildare , Tyrone, kerry ,sligo is the order I would have them in.
Underage is hard to predict and teams can be up and down. A big improvement from the cork game is required for sure but hopefully we can make the final at least
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 29, 2022 13:24:12 GMT
Kerry were very average against Clare and Cork so we are no way favorites from what I've seen.
Tyrone were ok and fortunate enough to beat Cavan.
Kildare were excellent and must be favorites with a soft semi final to come.
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