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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Feb 2, 2022 13:55:52 GMT
I would agree with some posters on this and previous threads that I think one our main issues is that our forwards as a whole haven't been up to scratch on against the better teams on the big days. SOS going back to center forward will be a massive help. However something seems off or unbalanced about our play. I have touched on the lack of size in our middle 8 on the Kildare thread but, even allowing for that some of decision making and shot selection are appalling at times.
Our half forward line seem to play as 3 individuals as opposed to a unit constantly adjusting to each others positioning etc. I know part of their remit is to defend but, you cant half your 3 link men inside your own 21 either. Even the full forward division against Kildare was poor. Clifford had poor shot selection and seem to be well marshalled when marked by a strong defender. Our disappearing half forward line, Killians poor showing and Geaneys sporadic nature meant that the Kildare defense really only had to worry about David and the odd penetrating run from Paudie.
Moynihan and Burns are never going to be the cause of the scoreboard operator getting an overtime bonus. Once Gavin went off we lost any impetus from the half back line.
I would hope to see a lot more cohesion amongst the forwards on Saturday night with a bit of thrust about their play. All our great half forwards of the last 20 years like: Declan, Brosnan, Galvin, Darran, Donnachdha even Johnny Buckley could take their scores or create a score. I think a functioning half forward line will make a massive difference to this team. It's probably the most difficult line of the field to get right in terms of tactics and personnel.
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Post by ciarraimick on Feb 2, 2022 15:28:42 GMT
Well said Attacking wingback. Our half forward line has been a problem for us and we need to sort it ASAP. Seanie back cf and two others. Probably Paudie and Diarmuid Ó Connor if he is nt midfield.
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Post by Fado on Feb 2, 2022 15:37:36 GMT
When the half forward line is functioning properly, the full forward line doesn't have to rely on scraps.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 2, 2022 16:32:31 GMT
I would agree with some posters on this and previous threads that I think one our main issues is that our forwards as a whole haven't been up to scratch on against the better teams on the big days. SOS going back to center forward will be a massive help. However something seems off or unbalanced about our play. I have touched on the lack of size in our middle 8 on the Kildare thread but, even allowing for that some of decision making and shot selection are appalling at times. Our half forward line seem to play as 3 individuals as opposed to a unit constantly adjusting to each others positioning etc. I know part of their remit is to defend but, you cant half your 3 link men inside your own 21 either. Even the full forward division against Kildare was poor. Clifford had poor shot selection and seem to be well marshalled when marked by a strong defender. Our disappearing half forward line, Killians poor showing and Geaneys sporadic nature meant that the Kildare defense really only had to worry about David and the odd penetrating run from Paudie. Moynihan and Burns are never going to be the cause of the scoreboard operator getting an overtime bonus. Once Gavin went off we lost any impetus from the half back line. I would hope to see a lot more cohesion amongst the forwards on Saturday night with a bit of thrust about their play. All our great half forwards of the last 20 years like: Declan, Brosnan, Galvin, Darran, Donnachdha even Johnny Buckley could take their scores or create a score. I think a functioning half forward line will make a massive difference to this team. It's probably the most difficult line of the field to get right in terms of tactics and personnel. A few Ulsterians I spoke with said similar re us last year, wing forwards in particular. Ah maybe Jacko was being kind to his former clan and we will deliver that coup de grâce in ASP! |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 2, 2022 16:58:54 GMT
The mood of the country seems to be improving as the fear generated by that deadly virus seems to have dissipated . If one wanted to consolidate that feeling of optimism your last refuge would be this forum. Sweet God, the doom and gloom pervading this outlet since last Sunday is crushing. Comments like this team isn’t good enough , this team isn’t bad enough , no stomach for the fight, flat track bullies, no leaders, no this, no that. Munster championship is just a wasteland therefore no preparation for sterner battles, an argument that conveniently avoids the question as to how Dublin were so battle hardened after emerging from another “wasteland” . Even beating Dublin next Saturday will have little merit because they are on the way down! I even saw a comment where traveling to Armagh towards the end of the NFL will count for tittle as league matters will be more or less decided by then. As if Kieran McGeeney would not relish a win over Kerry for his emerging team. Such has been the ferocity of criticism I am not sure an All-Ireland win would redeem this team in the eyes of some people here. I pose a question which I posed before after the team got a similar slating post the Tyrone match. The reaction by some here was merciless. Yet in a game where we conceded some bizarre goals, where our lead man missed about five minutes of normal time plus all the extra time, where we reduced a five point deficit to one (remember this team do not have a stomach for the battle) against a county which historically defend a lead better than anybody else, and with a smidgin of luck , which the harshest critic could not say we enjoyed that day, we may have snatched a draw. All that against a team who went on to be worthy champions. Can we be as bad as some people here make us out to be? Incidentally, some of the people who seem now to be consigning this team to the scrap heap welcomed Paddy Tally with open arms. Surely it is a bit premature to be giving up on Paddy! I , too , was not entirely happy with Sunday’s display but I will say two things in Kerry’s defence. This Kildare team may prove to be better than people give them credit for. More importantly, would a more measured response be to assess them game by game as the NFL progresses. I feel most of us agree the first division of the NFL is a demanding arena where , theoretically, teams are of equal stature and therefore should provide us with a useful barometer as to the lay of the land. As always , time will tell. Ruffling Vets feathers sure pays dividends - must remember that! Ah we all have ideas and while I was sick to the teeth with Tally's appointment, what I have read/heard lately softens the blow. If he is half as good as they the consensus on him then I believe I will be a happy man at 5pm on 24th of July 2022. My gripe is that from a massive GAA population we should have all the backroom expertise we need, others should be learning from us and Donie Buckley in an opponent dugout gets inside my skin - Donaghy to a lesser extent as he is probably trying to learn the ropes, still maybe we could home-school him if we had master Donie? I mean it's as if Armagh have shown they are leaders in team management. Look at how Donie has Monaghan become far more physically assertive, don't look as aggressive though more effective - ditto Armagh with Kieran vs Dubs. Where are all the past masters who would be in their prime years now for team management? Is it how they aren't interested, gave it enough? There is plenty of interest in Ulster. BTW is Jacko'c now retired from teaching? |
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Post by kerryman99 on Feb 2, 2022 17:57:23 GMT
Has Stephen O'Brien totally dropped off the radar? Not in the 26 the last day. He always took on his man, which created space for someone else. Darran O'S was in a similar mould. I felt we were very slow around the half forward line on Sunday, relying on Gavin White to punch holes.
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Post by The16thMan on Feb 2, 2022 18:14:51 GMT
Has Stephen O'Brien totally dropped off the radar? Not in the 26 the last day. He always took on his man, which created space for someone else. Darran O'S was in a similar mould. I felt we were very slow around the half forward line on Sunday, relying on Gavin White to punch holes. Pulled up in McGrath cup final, out iniured for a couple weeks |
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Post by john4 on Feb 2, 2022 18:24:19 GMT
I don't know what our stats are with regards to losing turnovers in the Kildare game but I'd think that it's not too different from the last Division 1 team we played, Tyrone.
I know it's only January, first round of the league and all that but 1 thing I'd like to see in the match against Dublin is that when we take the ball forward, we get in a shot. Wides won't hurt half as much as rushing to defend will. This is killing us, and must be demoralising for the players. The number of times we turned down a relatively good position to get a shot away the last day was frightening. The stats man must have a big stick or something. Have a go ffs.
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Post by The16thMan on Feb 2, 2022 22:08:13 GMT
Heard Supervalu in Killorglin have more tickets but won't be selling until Friday.
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Post by ciarraimick on Feb 2, 2022 22:27:38 GMT
Well said John. Turnovers break your spirit. A wide is better than a turnover any day.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 2, 2022 22:43:48 GMT
Well said John. Turnovers break your spirit. A wide is better than a turnover any day. Limerick hit about 20 wides in the 2018 hurling final. They felt that they didnt at that stage have the conditioning to deal with Galways physically so they shot from all angles and distances. A huge number went wide but Galway got no turnovers and the Limerick defense were not caught out of position much. Happily for Limerick they got 3.16 and won by a point. This is an extreme example of the point John makes, |
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Post by ciarraimick on Feb 2, 2022 22:51:56 GMT
Good man Mickmac.
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Post by The16thMan on Feb 3, 2022 14:38:07 GMT
Anybody know what time gates open on Saturday.
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Post by Deise Exile on Feb 3, 2022 18:12:07 GMT
Anybody know what time gates open on Saturday. Probably 5. Is there pre match entertainment |
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Post by jackiel on Feb 3, 2022 19:23:14 GMT
I read somewhere Mark Leen has that gig.
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Post by ciarraimick on Feb 3, 2022 19:36:02 GMT
Mark Leen a great singer. Good choice if true.
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Post by buck02 on Feb 3, 2022 20:28:05 GMT
Between the Suprano above in Newbridge and Mark Leen in Austin Stack Park I think a warning to bring ear plugs should be printed in the programme. The National Anthem before the county final was embarrassing.
Let us read our programmes and scroll through out phones in peace before the warmup starts, people are only going in early to get a good spot in the stand or terrace, not to listen to an Elvis impersonator.
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Post by horsebox77 on Feb 3, 2022 20:34:51 GMT
What not revert to what happened few year ago, play a curtain raiser.
Doesn’t have to be an A listing, all the genuine fan wants is a game to watch. Most West Kerry leagues, or North Jerry leagues etc have already commenced, I don’t see why one of these club fixtures could not be fixed for five pm on Saturday.
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Post by greengold35 on Feb 3, 2022 21:29:21 GMT
Mark Leen a great singer. Good choice if true. Yea, Mark Leen it is - thought he was excellent before county final too. |
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Post by john4 on Feb 3, 2022 21:30:24 GMT
I read somewhere Mark Leen has that gig. Bring his boots and he could finish up in the half-forward line 😜 |
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Post by taggert on Feb 3, 2022 21:37:00 GMT
I read somewhere Mark Leen has that gig. Bring his boots and he could finish up in the half-forward line 😜 Some man to sell a dummy.... |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 3, 2022 21:37:42 GMT
Here's my 15 for Sat,
I'm sure it won't be the 15 but it's the one I'd like to see.
1 Ryan
2 ODonoghue
3 Foley
4 Casey
5 Murphy
6 Morley
7 OSullivan
8 OConnor
9 Spillane
10 Moynihan
11 Seanie
12 Clifford
13 Brosnan
14 Geaney
15 Clifford
Breen if fit comes in at 5
White comes in if fit and OSullivan takes Caseys spot.
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Post by taggert on Feb 3, 2022 21:47:34 GMT
Here's my 15 for Sat, I'm sure it won't be the 15 but it's the one I'd like to see. 1 Ryan 2 ODonoghue 3 Foley 4 Casey 5 Murphy 6 Morley 7 OSullivan 8 OConnor 9 Spillane 10 Moynihan 11 Seanie 12 Clifford 13 Brosnan 14 Geaney 15 Clifford Breen if fit comes in at 5 White comes in if fit and OSullivan takes Caseys spot. Good side. I'd like to see Begley for Murphy as we know what Murphy does/does not offer and Begley drove forward very well against Kildare. I'd prefer Jack Barry for Spillane. I'd play Tony, David and Savage in the full forward line. Again, we know what Geaney does/does not offer, time to see what Jack would and let him stick inside or roam as required. Just don't think 3 similar(ish) inside forwards is the way to go. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 3, 2022 21:54:24 GMT
Here's my 15 for Sat, I'm sure it won't be the 15 but it's the one I'd like to see. 1 Ryan 2 ODonoghue 3 Foley 4 Casey 5 Murphy 6 Morley 7 OSullivan 8 OConnor 9 Spillane 10 Moynihan 11 Seanie 12 Clifford 13 Brosnan 14 Geaney 15 Clifford Breen if fit comes in at 5 White comes in if fit and OSullivan takes Caseys spot. Good side. I'd like to see Begley for Murphy as we know what Murphy does/does not offer and Begley drove forward very well against Kildare. I'd prefer Jack Barry for Spillane. I'd play Tony, David and Savage in the full forward line. Again, we know what Geaney does/does not offer, time to see what Jack would and let him stick inside or roam as required. Just don't think 3 similar(ish) inside forwards is the way to go. Very valid points. The reason I went with Spillane is he's a fighter and a dirty night in Tralee I'd like someone to get stuck in and maybe leave a mark out there. Jack Barry is too nice. |
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Post by taggert on Feb 3, 2022 22:04:31 GMT
Spillane really struggled against Dublin the last time they met under lights in Tralee - didnt get a kick. Will be interesting to see if he has progressed a few years on, and given he is 28 soon - no longer a young gun.
I went for JB as he relishes Fenton and it seems to bring out the bear in him!
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 3, 2022 22:09:11 GMT
Spillane really struggled against Dublin the last time they met under lights in Tralee - didnt get a kick. Will be interesting to see if he has progressed a few years on, and given he is 28 soon - no longer a young gun. I went for JB as he relishes Fenton and it seems to bring out the bear in him! That's true and Fenton seems off form so Jack might be the man alright. |
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Post by taggert on Feb 3, 2022 22:16:21 GMT
I suspect JoC will make the minimal changes anyway and it will be Begley in for the injured White and Diarmuid in for Burns/Dara with Seanie moving to 11 and Paudie moving beside him.
For me, seeing Casey and Savage start in Tralee would have been a great opportunity to see how they fare in a big clash with a packed house....on home turf
Of course with MTU in Sigerson duty next Thurs, JoC may do Aidan a favour and spare Tony, Jack, Dara n co.
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Post by jackiel on Feb 3, 2022 22:39:40 GMT
Mark Leen a great singer. Good choice if true. Yea, Mark Leen it is - thought he was excellent before county final too. Yes, have to say I really enjoyed his set that day. Should make for a great atmosphere on Saturday. So looking forward to it now. |
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 3, 2022 22:47:51 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 3, 2022 22:51:49 GMT
Dublins last win in Kerry was 2013.
The above article on Dublins injuries was 4 days ago. I wonder how many of them will be ready for Saturday.
There are rumours that Con will go hurling this year but i dont believe he will.
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