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Post by horsebox77 on Dec 14, 2021 17:46:28 GMT
The majority of backs on the Kerry panel would play centre half back with their club, the only obvious exception was Gavin Crowley who although was Kerry CHB invariably played at number five for Templenoe.
In 2019 and 2020 the best CHB at county championship level was Jack Sherwood, he was player of the championship in 2020, PK didn’t fancy for some reason and as a result he never really got a look in, but still in all when the chips were down against Trrone in 2019 he came in and made the difference and again this year he came in and was breaking the tackle.
Has his time passed, at 31 I’d be leaning towards youth. Of what I have seen, I think Mike Breen is a contender, I though the same on Graham Sull but he had a poor end of year last year. I think we can all agree that Murphy, Crowley etc are not options, Gavin White wouldn’t resist the temptation and would go forward, Tom Sullivan is too small, Briòn O’Beagleoich isn’t a slouch, he looks small but seeing him up close he surprised me, should be be given a stunt there?
Tadgh Morley did nothing wrong when stationed there and only moved to full back as we were in trouble, with Foley now finding his feet and Dylan a possibility in the full back line is the Templenoe man the obvious but over looked solution.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Dec 14, 2021 18:32:28 GMT
The majority of backs on the Kerry panel would play centre half back with their club, the only obvious exception was Gavin Crowley who although was Kerry CHB invariably played at number five for Templenoe. In 2019 and 2020 the best CHB at county championship level was Jack Sherwood, he was player of the championship in 2020, PK didn’t fancy for some reason and as a result he never really got a look in, but still in all when the chips were down against Trrone in 2019 he came in and made the difference and again this year he came in and was breaking the tackle. Has his time passed, at 31 I’d be leaning towards youth. Of what I have seen, I think Mike Breen is a contender, I though the same on Graham Sull but he had a poor end of year last year. I think we can all agree that Murphy, Crowley etc are not options, Gavin White wouldn’t resist the temptation and would go forward, Tom Sullivan is too small, Briòn O’Beagleoich isn’t a slouch, he looks small but seeing him up close he surprised me, should be be given a stunt there? Tadgh Morley did nothing wrong when stationed there and only moved to full back as we were in trouble, with Foley now finding his feet and Dylan a possibility in the full back line is the Templenoe man the obvious but over looked solution. 4 options to look at for me, new options in Dan O’Donoghue and Daniel O’Brien, as well as redeploying Tadhg Morley and Mike Breen. I don’t think any of our other backs suit the role.
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Post by mike70 on Dec 14, 2021 18:49:00 GMT
Have you anyone else in mind for centre back K’boy? …………. not really horse, I thought when Jay went to fullback Last year that Morley would go to 6 but that didn't happen. Could Jack bring back Peter Crowley? gavin white to CB , wait and see.
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Post by Premier on Dec 14, 2021 18:52:24 GMT
9 new faces in according to the Kerryman
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Post by The16thMan on Dec 14, 2021 19:04:17 GMT
9 new faces in according to the Kerryman The 9 new players are: Stefan Okunbor - Na Gaeil Andrew Barry - Na Gaeil Jack Savage - Kerins O'Rahillys Dylan Casey - Austin Stacks Greg Horan - Austin Stacks Jack O'Shea - Austin Stacks Shane Murphy - Dr.Crokes Dan O'Donoghue - Spa Dara Roche - Glenflesk Jack Sherwood is said to have retired also, mustn't have gotten a recall and decided to call it. Played a big part in Kerry beating Tyrone in 2019 and helping us reach the final. Enjoy retirement Jack
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Dec 14, 2021 19:09:58 GMT
Who are the other 7?
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Post by greengold35 on Dec 14, 2021 19:14:44 GMT
Shane Murphy, Andrew Barry, Greg Horan, Dylan Casey, Jack O’Shea, Dan O’Donoghue & Darragh Roche.
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Post by veteran on Dec 14, 2021 19:15:37 GMT
According to Examiner : Shane Murphy, Darragh Roche, Dan O’Donoghue, Jack Savage, Dylan Casey, Joe O’Connor, Jack O’Shea - all called in.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 14, 2021 19:21:52 GMT
I don't understand the worry about our forwards. We all agree that Clifford and Ó Shea are two of the top forwards in the country but some of the other forwards get criticism for an off day while the two boys don't. Killian Spillane is a very good forward but got lambasted for going for goal v Tyrone when pundits say he should ve taken his point. I don't agree as it was a goal chance. David Clifford went for goal v Cork in 2020.wgen a simple point was on and his goal chance was a much lower percentage than Killian. Killian was nt great v Tyrone but neither was Seanie. Paul Geaney poor too but still scored. David brutal v Cork but gets a free pass. People forget Paul was not playing v Cork last year in and if he was we probably would ve won and maybe taken Sam. People heralding Tyrone midfield yet bar AI final Tyrone had trouble midfield. Kerry s biggest problem is not forwards but centre spine of defense. Just to set the record straight on the KS chance. It was a tap over point with the fist, it was a very good goal chance off his right foot, it was neither off his left foot as Peter Harte was coming in off that side and the rest is history. Again these are subtle things and it was one of several terrible decisions made by the players on the day, many of whom were blown away by the pace and power of Tyrone. What would Colm Cooper have done? I guess he would have seen Harte comibg and feigned to shoot and stepped to his left and rolled it into the empty net while the keeper and Harte would be looking on. One thing i would like to see is forwards developing the ability to fist a point with either hand. Paudie left one such point after him too. Killian is left footed so i dont know if he was able punch over with his right hand. But he should develop that if he isnt.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Dec 14, 2021 19:49:08 GMT
9 feels a bit low to me for a new manager’s initial panel especially when 4 are recalls. I thought Jack would have cast his net a bit wider and given a good few more players a chance. Daniel O’Brien, Barry Mahony and Donal O’Sullivan are 3 I definitely would have liked to seen inside there. Any word on who’s been dropped?
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Post by listowelemerrs on Dec 14, 2021 19:50:35 GMT
9 new faces in according to the Kerryman The 9 new players are: Stefan Okunbor - Na Gaeil Andrew Barry - Na Gaeil Jack Savage - Kerins O'Rahillys Dylan Casey - Austin Stacks Greg Horan - Austin Stacks Jack O'Shea - Austin Stacks Shane Murphy - Dr.Crokes Dan O'Donoghue - Spa Dara Roche - Glenflesk Jack Sherwood is said to have retired also, mustn't have gotten a recall and decided to call it. Played a big part in Kerry beating Tyrone in 2019 and helping us reach the final. Enjoy retirement Jack Quite underwhelming if I’m honest. Jack has his favourites it seems. Cormac Coffey is much better than Jack o shea. Savage tore Jack o shea apart in Co final. Gavin o brien is a must… very unique player that we lack. Dilan o donoghue from dromid is a top forward who performs a lot better than the likes of Donal o Sullivan who seems to be constantly lauded on here despite not starting for east kerry. Ivan Parker is better than Roche even though I’m a fan of both but Ivan Parker is a top forward. We need to freshen up the forward line. O’brien , geaney and oshea are gone stale. Cormac Coffey , Dilan o donoghue, Gavin o Brien and Ivan Parker need to be called up.
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Post by listowelemerrs on Dec 14, 2021 19:57:17 GMT
The majority of backs on the Kerry panel would play centre half back with their club, the only obvious exception was Gavin Crowley who although was Kerry CHB invariably played at number five for Templenoe. In 2019 and 2020 the best CHB at county championship level was Jack Sherwood, he was player of the championship in 2020, PK didn’t fancy for some reason and as a result he never really got a look in, but still in all when the chips were down against Trrone in 2019 he came in and made the difference and again this year he came in and was breaking the tackle. Has his time passed, at 31 I’d be leaning towards youth. Of what I have seen, I think Mike Breen is a contender, I though the same on Graham Sull but he had a poor end of year last year. I think we can all agree that Murphy, Crowley etc are not options, Gavin White wouldn’t resist the temptation and would go forward, Tom Sullivan is too small, Briòn O’Beagleoich isn’t a slouch, he looks small but seeing him up close he surprised me, should be be given a stunt there? Tadgh Morley did nothing wrong when stationed there and only moved to full back as we were in trouble, with Foley now finding his feet and Dylan a possibility in the full back line is the Templenoe man the obvious but over looked solution. Graham sull barely played last year so how could he have a poor end to last year? He never got a run of games under P keane. Must remember graham played CB for Kerry u 20s under Jack and was very, very good there but again people keep referencing the likes of Dan o donoghue and Dan o brien who haven’t really kicked on that much. Being CB for u20 and senior is big difference. I think Gavin white is nailed on for CB. His all round game is much more improved now and can still have his driving runs with a bit more balance though.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Dec 14, 2021 20:10:47 GMT
Anyone else hear talk of Joe Grimes from Listowel and Dara O’Sé from Ghaeltacht being called into the Cork panel? Grimes was supposed to have had a very good club campaign for Clonakilty, I wonder is he someone Jack should be looking at?
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Post by horsebox77 on Dec 14, 2021 20:44:23 GMT
The majority of backs on the Kerry panel would play centre half back with their club, the only obvious exception was Gavin Crowley who although was Kerry CHB invariably played at number five for Templenoe. In 2019 and 2020 the best CHB at county championship level was Jack Sherwood, he was player of the championship in 2020, PK didn’t fancy for some reason and as a result he never really got a look in, but still in all when the chips were down against Trrone in 2019 he came in and made the difference and again this year he came in and was breaking the tackle. Has his time passed, at 31 I’d be leaning towards youth. Of what I have seen, I think Mike Breen is a contender, I though the same on Graham Sull but he had a poor end of year last year. I think we can all agree that Murphy, Crowley etc are not options, Gavin White wouldn’t resist the temptation and would go forward, Tom Sullivan is too small, Briòn O’Beagleoich isn’t a slouch, he looks small but seeing him up close he surprised me, should be be given a stunt there? Tadgh Morley did nothing wrong when stationed there and only moved to full back as we were in trouble, with Foley now finding his feet and Dylan a possibility in the full back line is the Templenoe man the obvious but over looked solution. Graham sull barely played last year so how could he have a poor end to last year? He never got a run of games under P keane. Must remember graham played CB for Kerry u 20s under Jack and was very, very good there but again people keep referencing the likes of Dan o donoghue and Dan o brien who haven’t really kicked on that much. Being CB for u20 and senior is big difference. I think Gavin white is nailed on for CB. His all round game is much more improved now and can still have his driving runs with a bit more balance though. South Kerry and Dromid. I'm not knocking him though, he's a player I have time for, he really impressed me with UCC in Sigerson Cup. I have no issue with White at Centre Back but would he resist the temptation not to hold back and mind the centre. Would it take long Paddy Tally to put his stamp on the side to ye think?
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 14, 2021 20:54:17 GMT
Andrew Barry in there.
Interesting.
I hope this place doesnt combust.
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Post by southward on Dec 14, 2021 21:05:56 GMT
Anyone else hear talk of Joe Grimes from Listowel and Dara O’Sé from Ghaeltacht being called into the Cork panel? Grimes was supposed to have had a very good club campaign for Clonakilty, I wonder is he someone Jack should be looking at? Finally, another NK man gets the call. And it's for Cork.
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Post by taggert on Dec 14, 2021 21:58:19 GMT
The 9 new players are: Stefan Okunbor - Na Gaeil Andrew Barry - Na Gaeil Jack Savage - Kerins O'Rahillys Dylan Casey - Austin Stacks Greg Horan - Austin Stacks Jack O'Shea - Austin Stacks Shane Murphy - Dr.Crokes Dan O'Donoghue - Spa Dara Roche - Glenflesk Jack Sherwood is said to have retired also, mustn't have gotten a recall and decided to call it. Played a big part in Kerry beating Tyrone in 2019 and helping us reach the final. Enjoy retirement Jack Quite underwhelming if I’m honest. Jack has his favourites it seems. Cormac Coffey is much better than Jack o shea. Savage tore Jack o shea apart in Co final. Gavin o brien is a must… very unique player that we lack. Dilan o donoghue from dromid is a top forward who performs a lot better than the likes of Donal o Sullivan who seems to be constantly lauded on here despite not starting for east kerry. Ivan Parker is better than Roche even though I’m a fan of both but Ivan Parker is a top forward. We need to freshen up the forward line. O’brien , geaney and oshea are gone stale. Cormac Coffey , Dilan o donoghue, Gavin o Brien and Ivan Parker need to be called up. Just on your points above and posters like Kerrybhoy06 are more qualified than I to talk on the Strand Road boys but a few points: - Jack OShea has had an outstanding club and county championship, starring against E. Kerry and is a model for that transition between defence-attack-defence. May not work out but thoroughly deserved selection. - Im on record here saying how C.Coffee ought to be inside but perhaps you should train your ire on some of the squad incumbents who were dire in club and county championship - e.g. Gavin Crowley - While Gavin O'Brien may have unique physical gifts, he remains hamstrung by his inability (or desire) to reach a level of fitness required of a modern day county wing man, manifest in his being awol for large swathes of games, as per his previous time with Kerry. A burst every 15 mins and idle in between doesnt cut it. Finally, Jack Savage kicked 2 from play in the co. final, had Conor Jordan on his shoulder for a lot of the game and coughed up possession 3 or 4 times in the game. I think his display was overplayed. Also manager Jack and selector Mike know strand road and the players inside out so one must assume they gave these selections plenty of consideration.
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Post by mike70 on Dec 14, 2021 22:13:45 GMT
Quite underwhelming if I’m honest. Jack has his favourites it seems. Cormac Coffey is much better than Jack o shea. Savage tore Jack o shea apart in Co final. Gavin o brien is a must… very unique player that we lack. Dilan o donoghue from dromid is a top forward who performs a lot better than the likes of Donal o Sullivan who seems to be constantly lauded on here despite not starting for east kerry. Ivan Parker is better than Roche even though I’m a fan of both but Ivan Parker is a top forward. We need to freshen up the forward line. O’brien , geaney and oshea are gone stale. Cormac Coffey , Dilan o donoghue, Gavin o Brien and Ivan Parker need to be called up. Just on your points above and posters like Kerrybhoy06 are more qualified than I to talk on the Strand Road boys but a few points: - Jack OShea has had an outstanding club and county championship, starring against E. Kerry and is a model for that transition between defence-attack-defence. May not work out but thoroughly deserved selection. - Im on record here saying how C.Coffee ought to be inside but perhaps you should train your ire on some of the squad incumbents who were dire in club and county championship - e.g. Gavin Crowley - While Gavin O'Brien may have unique physical gifts, he remains hamstrung by his inability (or desire) to reach a level of fitness required of a modern day county wing man, manifest in his being awol for large swathes of games, as per his previous time with Kerry. A burst every 15 mins and idle in between doesnt cut it. Finally, Jack Savage kicked 2 from play in the co. final, had Conor Jordan on his shoulder for a lot of the game and coughed up possession 3 or 4 times in the game. I think his display was overplayed. Also manager Jack and selector Mike know strand road and the players inside out so one must assume they gave these selections plenty of consideration. I think when you handle as much ball as savage , you will have a few more possessions coughed up, but I don’t believe Jordan marked savage, it was o shea, I think you missed the amount of scores he sat up, directly, I think we’ll worth another look, at the risk of repeating myself, we are looking at players for the kerry squad , the starting 11 or 12 is fairly solid. I think the 9 new will freshen up, but they will have lots to do to catch up with the s&c of today’s game, with obvious exception, Stefan
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Dec 14, 2021 22:35:33 GMT
Quite underwhelming if I’m honest. Jack has his favourites it seems. Cormac Coffey is much better than Jack o shea. Savage tore Jack o shea apart in Co final. Gavin o brien is a must… very unique player that we lack. Dilan o donoghue from dromid is a top forward who performs a lot better than the likes of Donal o Sullivan who seems to be constantly lauded on here despite not starting for east kerry. Ivan Parker is better than Roche even though I’m a fan of both but Ivan Parker is a top forward. We need to freshen up the forward line. O’brien , geaney and oshea are gone stale. Cormac Coffey , Dilan o donoghue, Gavin o Brien and Ivan Parker need to be called up. Just on your points above and posters like Kerrybhoy06 are more qualified than I to talk on the Strand Road boys but a few points: - Jack OShea has had an outstanding club and county championship, starring against E. Kerry and is a model for that transition between defence-attack-defence. May not work out but thoroughly deserved selection. - Im on record here saying how C.Coffee ought to be inside but perhaps you should train your ire on some of the squad incumbents who were dire in club and county championship - e.g. Gavin Crowley - While Gavin O'Brien may have unique physical gifts, he remains hamstrung by his inability (or desire) to reach a level of fitness required of a modern day county wing man, manifest in his being awol for large swathes of games, as per his previous time with Kerry. A burst every 15 mins and idle in between doesnt cut it. Finally, Jack Savage kicked 2 from play in the co. final, had Conor Jordan on his shoulder for a lot of the game and coughed up possession 3 or 4 times in the game. I think his display was overplayed. Also manager Jack and selector Mike know strand road and the players inside out so one must assume they gave these selections plenty of consideration. Jack O Shea was marking Jack Savage. If Conor Jordan was on his shoulder then it’s because he was being double teamed Regarding the other KOR players, I think Cormac should have been given a look again as he had a superb championship. On Mush, I just don’t see it. He’s too inconsistent and drifts out of too many games to play at the top level, however he’s still young and that could change. On Parker, jeez that’s a tough one as I’ve seen him a few times and he’s looked very good and other times he’s looked woeful. His goal in the semi final was a great finish but the issue is that he will take 25 of those half chance shots, rather than ever consider passing, and score at most 2
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2021 22:37:19 GMT
Just on your points above and posters like Kerrybhoy06 are more qualified than I to talk on the Strand Road boys but a few points: - Jack OShea has had an outstanding club and county championship, starring against E. Kerry and is a model for that transition between defence-attack-defence. May not work out but thoroughly deserved selection. - Im on record here saying how C.Coffee ought to be inside but perhaps you should train your ire on some of the squad incumbents who were dire in club and county championship - e.g. Gavin Crowley - While Gavin O'Brien may have unique physical gifts, he remains hamstrung by his inability (or desire) to reach a level of fitness required of a modern day county wing man, manifest in his being awol for large swathes of games, as per his previous time with Kerry. A burst every 15 mins and idle in between doesnt cut it. Finally, Jack Savage kicked 2 from play in the co. final, had Conor Jordan on his shoulder for a lot of the game and coughed up possession 3 or 4 times in the game. I think his display was overplayed. Also manager Jack and selector Mike know strand road and the players inside out so one must assume they gave these selections plenty of consideration. I think when you handle as much ball as savage , you will have a few more possessions coughed up, but I don’t believe Jordan marked savage, it was o shea, I think you missed the amount of scores he sat up, directly, I think we’ll worth another look, at the risk of repeating myself, we are looking at players for the kerry squad , the starting 11 or 12 is fairly solid. I think the 9 new will freshen up, but they will have lots to do to catch up with the s&c of today’s game, with obvious exception, Stefan Mike how big is the gap between club and county S&C wise? And can you see any of the new lads doing a Paud Clifford? Ps I hope Jack announces a full league squad.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Dec 14, 2021 22:42:20 GMT
The one thing that I really want from this year is Diarmuid o Connor go kick on and really impose himself as an intercounty midfielder.
The lad has so much talent and just needs to take that next step now. He has the ability and game intelligence to become a real game controlling midfielder
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Post by veteran on Dec 14, 2021 23:02:20 GMT
The one thing that I really want from this year is Diarmuid o Connor go kick on and really impose himself as an intercounty midfielder. The lad has so much talent and just needs to take that next step now. He has the ability and game intelligence to become a real game controlling midfielder Needs a little more aggression and urgency. Acquire those characteristics and then you are talking about top of the range.
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Post by mike70 on Dec 14, 2021 23:29:04 GMT
I think when you handle as much ball as savage , you will have a few more possessions coughed up, but I don’t believe Jordan marked savage, it was o shea, I think you missed the amount of scores he sat up, directly, I think we’ll worth another look, at the risk of repeating myself, we are looking at players for the kerry squad , the starting 11 or 12 is fairly solid. I think the 9 new will freshen up, but they will have lots to do to catch up with the s&c of today’s game, with obvious exception, Stefan Mike how big is the gap between club and county S&C wise? And can you see any of the new lads doing a Paud Clifford? Ps I hope Jack announces a full league squad. club v county S&C are oceans apart, the current kerry squad have massive muscle development in their legs and upper body, the new boys will have work to do.
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Post by whitefire on Dec 14, 2021 23:52:42 GMT
Today's Irish Examiner had this article
Tyrone’s Covid call ‘one of the biggest in GAA history’ Feargal Logan and Brian Dooher were willing to sacrifice all the efforts they had made for the greater good of the players, and of the Association, the Tyrone annual convention was told Tyrone’s Covid call ‘one of the biggest in GAA history’
TUE, 14 DEC, 2021 - 21:18 FRANCIS MOONEY Tyrone managers Feargal Logan and Brian Dooher made “one of the biggest calls in the history of the GAA” when they advised the county board that the All-Ireland semi-final against Kerry should not go ahead due to a Covid-19 wave which swept through their squad.
County chairman Michael Kerr told delegates at Tuesday night’s annual convention that the pair were willing to sacrifice all the efforts they had made for the greater good of the players, and of the Association.
With the cooperation of opponents Kerry, the GAA extended the original one week deferral of the fixture, and the Red Hands stunned their Munster rivals with a 3-14 to 0-22 extra-time win, before going on to win the Sam Maguire Cup with victory over Mayo in the decider.
“Both managers were willing to sacrifice the many hours they had laboured and the possible glory they could achieve for the greater good of our players and everyone in the association,” said Kerr.“They made one of the biggest calls not alone in the history of Tyrone GAA but in the history of the association. That is as professional as you will get in sport or business anywhere in the world.
“The decision was based solely on the health and wellbeing of our players and the future of Tyrone GAA. Contrary to what some of the pundits pedalled it is not Tyrone’s job to debate the health of our squad on national TV.That no details were released wasn’t down to anybody being ‘cute hoors’ but the professionalism of Feargal and Brian.
“Their job was to manage Tyrone senior team and not certain pundit’s expectations. The following day, thankfully the CCCC with the help of Kerry and Mayo fixed the match as we had originally requested when we had most but not all of our panel available.”
Kerr, who was returned to serve for a fifth term, insisted that the Red Hands had at all times strictly followed Covid-19 regulations, and that the managers ensured that the rules were strictly enforced. The lockdown rules were strictly enforced by Feargal and Brian. Some of the other transgressors were caught but a lot more escaped, and some even took high moral ground in the latter part of the season.
“I can say without fear of contradiction that at no stage during the GAA’s lockdown did Tyrone players train collectively. Unfortunately Covid did hit our players and we were not in a position to field on the original date the All Ireland semi-final was fixed for,” he added."
Surely there is an appetite for revenge amongst this Kerry panel after Tyrone's shenanigans last year around Covid and now they have the audacity to claim they followed all Covid protocols, when their own goalkeeper admitted that players went drinking to celebrate the Ulster final win even though 4 players had been ruled out of that game due to Covid. To claim that they were doing things for the greater good of the Association flies directly in the face of their earlier admission that the players didn't get vaccinated because they thought it might affect them during the league.
They backed us into a corner last year, we allowed our preparations to be completely disrupted while they got extra weeks to train and recover. We need to make these guys don't make it two in a row this year!
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Post by taggert on Dec 15, 2021 0:33:59 GMT
Just on your points above and posters like Kerrybhoy06 are more qualified than I to talk on the Strand Road boys but a few points: - Jack OShea has had an outstanding club and county championship, starring against E. Kerry and is a model for that transition between defence-attack-defence. May not work out but thoroughly deserved selection. - Im on record here saying how C.Coffee ought to be inside but perhaps you should train your ire on some of the squad incumbents who were dire in club and county championship - e.g. Gavin Crowley - While Gavin O'Brien may have unique physical gifts, he remains hamstrung by his inability (or desire) to reach a level of fitness required of a modern day county wing man, manifest in his being awol for large swathes of games, as per his previous time with Kerry. A burst every 15 mins and idle in between doesnt cut it. Finally, Jack Savage kicked 2 from play in the co. final, had Conor Jordan on his shoulder for a lot of the game and coughed up possession 3 or 4 times in the game. I think his display was overplayed. Also manager Jack and selector Mike know strand road and the players inside out so one must assume they gave these selections plenty of consideration. I think when you handle as much ball as savage , you will have a few more possessions coughed up, but I don’t believe Jordan marked savage, it was o shea, I think you missed the amount of scores he sat up, directly, I think we’ll worth another look, at the risk of repeating myself, we are looking at players for the kerry squad , the starting 11 or 12 is fairly solid. I think the 9 new will freshen up, but they will have lots to do to catch up with the s&c of today’s game, with obvious exception, Stefan No problem Jack being in the squad but some of the comments on here had me think I was watching a different game v Stacks. St.Rd had 6 points on the board 24 mins into the 2nd half and while Jack had kicked a few frees he missed 3 - 2 wide and 1 off the post in the first half. His first score from play was 27 mins into the 2nd half and his 2nd from play was 33 mins into 2nd half. He set up very few scores. He gave away the ball to stacks 5 times. I dont think Jack destroyed any Stacks defender. In contrast for example, Joe O'Connor had zero turnovers and directly set up 4 scores from midfield.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Dec 15, 2021 3:52:09 GMT
I think when you handle as much ball as savage , you will have a few more possessions coughed up, but I don’t believe Jordan marked savage, it was o shea, I think you missed the amount of scores he sat up, directly, I think we’ll worth another look, at the risk of repeating myself, we are looking at players for the kerry squad , the starting 11 or 12 is fairly solid. I think the 9 new will freshen up, but they will have lots to do to catch up with the s&c of today’s game, with obvious exception, Stefan No problem Jack being in the squad but some of the comments on here had me think I was watching a different game v Stacks. St.Rd had 6 points on the board 24 mins into the 2nd half and while Jack had kicked a few frees he missed 3 - 2 wide and 1 off the post in the first half. His first score from play was 27 mins into the 2nd half and his 2nd from play was 33 mins into 2nd half. He set up very few scores. He gave away the ball to stacks 5 times. I dont think Jack destroyed any Stacks defender. In contrast for example, Joe O'Connor had zero turnovers and directly set up 4 scores from midfield. What other forwards would you have in ahead of him?
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Dec 15, 2021 7:30:43 GMT
Also I don’t see the relevance of comparing jacks performance to Joe o Connor, I don’t think anyone wants Jack midfield for Kerry.
How did he do relative to the other forwards on the pitch in the final? On top of his MOTM semi final performance
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Post by taggert on Dec 15, 2021 8:16:21 GMT
Also I don’t see the relevance of comparing jacks performance to Joe o Connor, I don’t think anyone wants Jack midfield for Kerry. How did he do relative to the other forwards on the pitch in the final? On top of his MOTM semi final performance Per my post, no problem having him in the squad. Just believe his display was totally overstated and not judged on the standard of a county player whereby his first score from play came with a couple of minutes to go. The comparison with Joe was essentially to contrast with the standard required for an aspiring county man on the small matter of turnovers and coughing up possession which was Kerry's achilles heel against Tyrone. Not the answer in my mind.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Dec 15, 2021 11:58:02 GMT
Also I don’t see the relevance of comparing jacks performance to Joe o Connor, I don’t think anyone wants Jack midfield for Kerry. How did he do relative to the other forwards on the pitch in the final? On top of his MOTM semi final performance Per my post, no problem having him in the squad. Just believe his display was totally overstated and not judged on the standard of a county player whereby his first score from play came with a couple of minutes to go. The comparison with Joe was essentially to contrast with the standard required for an aspiring county man on the small matter of turnovers and coughing up possession which was Kerry's achilles heel against Tyrone. Not the answer in my mind. Joe was up against a very weakened strand road midfield, very hard to judge him against lads who have never represented Kerry at any level. I think for anyone to herald his performance as something that ordains him as a county footballer is a bit much also. On turnovers I do agree with you but there are a lot of other factors such as how often is a player on the ball, how deep is he dropping to retrieve it and what are his targets like inside. On all these fronts stand road, and subsequently jack, were seriously hindered in the final by losing David & mush. Mush is your drop deep link man who can make powerful runs that allow someone like jack to stay closer to goal. Moran being out starved them of primary possession which would have been won by the best midfielder in the county Tommy having to come out the field really restricted their targets inside as now all they had was a low hopping ball option against a team who were deploying 2/3 sweepers at times. I think your looking a certain things and leaving out the context to be honest
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Post by mike70 on Dec 15, 2021 11:58:29 GMT
Also I don’t see the relevance of comparing jacks performance to Joe o Connor, I don’t think anyone wants Jack midfield for Kerry. How did he do relative to the other forwards on the pitch in the final? On top of his MOTM semi final performance Per my post, no problem having him in the squad. Just believe his display was totally overstated and not judged on the standard of a county player whereby his first score from play came with a couple of minutes to go. The comparison with Joe was essentially to contrast with the standard required for an aspiring county man on the small matter of turnovers and coughing up possession which was Kerry's achilles heel against Tyrone. Not the answer in my mind. i would disagree with your comments, you need to look at the games thru out the championship, I thought he was constantly one of best on show, , but long way to get back on a kerry starting 15, at best to be used as a player to mind a ball in the last qtr, where we have currently lost all the big games. I suppose his the opposite to put the ball under the jumper and run into the wall and concede possession, no one saying he is on the kerry team, but 100% an addition to the squad, as are the other players named, kerry squad 20 to 35 was gone so stale , I would even hazard a guess it may have contributed to poor A v B games due to lack of quality.
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