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Post by gaelicden on Aug 28, 2021 17:25:31 GMT
Normally I'd set up a preseason thread after we're knock out of the championship but this season I'll delay it because there's a question to be asked; where is the Kerry senior intercounty team currently?
It's been 3 seasons of Peter Keane and co. and what have we done overall? 2 Munster championships and 1 1/2 leagues, 1 all Ireland final appearance (2 if Replay is included) which we lost.
Over the past 3 seasons when push came to shove, we crumbled; ahead against Donegal in Super 8s in 2019 in last minute - draw. 1 point ahead of 14 man Dublin after 66 minutes in AI final - Drew lost replay. 1 point ahead with time up in ET against Cork - Lost with sucker punch goal. Today against Tyrone.
With 2019, 1st season with young players you can expect that type of performance. Against Cork last year was a complete shock but after year 3 it's the exact same problem. We can never get rid of that soft underbelly arguments with those performances. PK solution after last year's flop was to bring in Pat Falvey as a performance consultant. What we really needed was a football coach, a coach we already had before Keane dismissed him.
I don't want to really talk about Tyrone today, that can be left to the semi final discussion and I won't talk about the players today either while I'm raw, or the 5 week break and Covid, but after 3 seasons we're still relying on 2 players for scores, I thought we had gone passed that stage but there it was again. Imagine if one of these lads went to Australia...
It's been 7 years since Kerry won the AI championship. You can now make that at least 8... We're firmly in famine territory now (for Kerry standards anyway). 1 now in at least 13 years is saying something about where we are.
In my opinion we've gone backwards and we're further away from winning it than ever before now. I just don't know when we'll win it again, it could be next year or the year after... Maybe this bunch never win one and we have a Dublin Footballers/Cork Hurlers type famine. But we're Kerry and we'll come back from this... Surely?
Personally, I'm beginning to feel that Keane's position is untenable but who do we have to replace him? We normally work on 3 year cycles. Paidi who his first after 2 seasons, the next after 3 seasons and was sacked after 3 seasons without. Jack left 3 years after '09, and while Fitzmaurice saw more than 3 years after '14, he was gone after 4 seasons.
I'm a bit down now as I write this as I thought by now we'd have made the breakthrough, especially as the Dubs seemed to have fallen, we'd take our rightful place at the top of the table. I suppose the main thing to take from this is as the title says; WHERE ARE WE?
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Post by blacksheep21 on Aug 28, 2021 17:30:26 GMT
I cannot think of one reason why Keane should get another year. He has had his chance and has not delivered to any meaningful extent
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 28, 2021 18:09:31 GMT
Congrats to Tyrone and makes for an interesting final given they have poor record v Mayo like we has and now still have v them.
I always believed and said on here that the manager should ideally be an ex player, preferably an AI winning one - Dooher v PK!
Tyrone also got away with Covid trick - they got a doctor to say it can be 100% gone and elite contact sport athletes will be back to normal within a week, and then we along with the GAA swallowed that one - then they turn up supernormal and beat us hot favourites.
I know a bit about other counties and there are a number of aspects that raises genuine concerns about our organisation in Kerry. Our boys died in their boots and I have long said this was the best team we ever had and I still believe it, but the better the team the better management they need, e.g. an AI winner at the helm. I hate saying it but this was 100% lost off the field and I'd prefer if we didn't have this debate right now. I am not engaging in 'told you so' etc, but a signal must be sent out all the same. The players made no more errors than Tyrone but compare how things were managed.
Every good and bad decision has exponential implications and that is precisely where we are.
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Post by gaelicden on Aug 28, 2021 18:34:29 GMT
Just had a walk there and had a think about things. I get the sentiment of having an AI winner as Kerry manager but we have Declan as the U20 manager and they could hardly get the basics right against Cork, albeit lost by a point in the end.
I then remembered that Maurice Fitzgerald was the preferred choice back in 2018 although he turned down the role, opting to be a selector under Keane. Am I saying Fitzgerald is the future? NO. He's been involved with Kerry senior squads for the past 5/6 seasons without AI success. If anything he should take the Minor Job if as expected it is vacant.
Jack O'Connor and Pat O'Shea have managed Kerry to All Ireland titles this century without intercounty senior playing experience or AI titles nonetheless. Being a great player does not make a great Manager, and being a Manager is completely different to being a Head coach or a selector for example.
Last year I undertook a module on ethics and one thing that we discussed was what constitutes a good manager. I think we came up with 5 good points and 3 that I remember was being a leader, being organised, and being reasonable. There's countless other qualities of course. People like Micko and Jim Gavin are those type of managers and their teams have reaped the rewards. John Kiely is the same with Limerick currently and they too are reaping the rewards. Not to mention Alex Ferguson in the other ball game. Do we have anyone like that in Kerry currently? I'm not so sure.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Aug 28, 2021 18:57:09 GMT
What we need is what other counties have a tactician.
Stop this believe that we are just better footballers which we are but we were our smarted again.
I actually believe EF would do great with that group as he would have something to work with.
Unlike his previous stint which let's behonest he had an average enough group.
PK makes it worse with this yerra crap.. makes him think he looks clever but then when it matters he doesn't.
That being said players need to take accountability too, a few lads went hiding today.
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Post by taggert on Aug 28, 2021 18:58:53 GMT
What we need is what other counties have a tactician. Stop this believe that we are just better footballers which we are but we were our smarted again. I actually believe EF would do great with that group as he would have something to work with. Unlike his previous stint which let's behonest he had an average enough group. PK makes it worse with this yerra crap.. makes him think he looks clever but then when it matters he doesn't. That being said players need to take accountability too, a few lads went hiding today. Spot on here.
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Post by john4 on Aug 28, 2021 19:10:07 GMT
What we need is what other counties have a tactician. Stop this believe that we are just better footballers which we are but we were our smarted again. I actually believe EF would do great with that group as he would have something to work with. Unlike his previous stint which let's behonest he had an average enough group. PK makes it worse with this yerra crap.. makes him think he looks clever but then when it matters he doesn't. That being said players need to take accountability too, a few lads went hiding today. 100% Shane Ryan was on our 40 for Tyrone's kickouts. Never before did he or any other Kerry goalkeeper before him do this. Tyrone and Monaghan did this in the Ulster final. Over recent years other teams have adopted or reinvented different tactical plays. We have not created one, or devised some new imaginative way to break down a defence. We will imitate fine. That lack of creativity is worrying for me.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 28, 2021 19:24:04 GMT
Just had a walk there and had a think about things. I get the sentiment of having an AI winner as Kerry manager but we have Declan as the U20 manager and they could hardly get the basics right against Cork, albeit lost by a point in the end. I then remembered that Maurice Fitzgerald was the preferred choice back in 2018 although he turned down the role, opting to be a selector under Keane. Am I saying Fitzgerald is the future? NO. He's been involved with Kerry senior squads for the past 5/6 seasons without AI success. If anything he should take the Minor Job if as expected it is vacant. Jack O'Connor and Pat O'Shea have managed Kerry to All Ireland titles this century without intercounty senior playing experience or AI titles nonetheless. Being a great player does not make a great Manager, and being a Manager is completely different to being a Head coach or a selector for example. Last year I undertook a module on ethics and one thing that we discussed was what constitutes a good manager. I think we came up with 5 good points and 3 that I remember was being a leader, being organised, and being reasonable. There's countless other qualities of course. People like Micko and Jim Gavin are those type of managers and their teams have reaped the rewards. John Kiely is the same with Limerick currently and they too are reaping the rewards. Not to mention Alex Ferguson in the other ball game. Do we have anyone like that in Kerry currently? I'm not so sure. Of course being an AI winner doesn't guarantee anything but it helps, Dooher, Dwyer, etc - control the controllables. IMO PK has repeatedly lost with a great team, even a weak Cork took us and that alone was a warning signal that Tyrone heard, music to their ears.
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Post by hatchetman on Aug 28, 2021 19:33:36 GMT
Who are these ex-players who should get the job and have they taken on any Kerry underage or club teams and been successfull? The job should go to the person with the best credentials irrespective of whether he played county or not.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Aug 28, 2021 19:38:06 GMT
Just had a walk there and had a think about things. I get the sentiment of having an AI winner as Kerry manager but we have Declan as the U20 manager and they could hardly get the basics right against Cork, albeit lost by a point in the end. I then remembered that Maurice Fitzgerald was the preferred choice back in 2018 although he turned down the role, opting to be a selector under Keane. Am I saying Fitzgerald is the future? NO. He's been involved with Kerry senior squads for the past 5/6 seasons without AI success. If anything he should take the Minor Job if as expected it is vacant. Jack O'Connor and Pat O'Shea have managed Kerry to All Ireland titles this century without intercounty senior playing experience or AI titles nonetheless. Being a great player does not make a great Manager, and being a Manager is completely different to being a Head coach or a selector for example. Last year I undertook a module on ethics and one thing that we discussed was what constitutes a good manager. I think we came up with 5 good points and 3 that I remember was being a leader, being organised, and being reasonable. There's countless other qualities of course. People like Micko and Jim Gavin are those type of managers and their teams have reaped the rewards. John Kiely is the same with Limerick currently and they too are reaping the rewards. Not to mention Alex Ferguson in the other ball game. Do we have anyone like that in Kerry currently? I'm not so sure. Of course being an AI winner doesn't guarantee anything but it helps, Dooher, Dwyer, etc - control the controllables. IMO PK has repeatedly lost with a great team, even a weak Cork took us and that alone was a warning signal that Tyrone heard, music to their ears. With respect, You were stating previously that this was the greatest Kerry team off all time. Lord God. We need a modern manager someone who understands the game now. Not the game we would like it to be. I'll take my own learnings too from this, I won't be getting carried away anymore.
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Post by taggert on Aug 28, 2021 19:47:48 GMT
The game has moved on and we have been found wanting in the last 3 c'ships. This lark of having an ex Kerry great on the line or at the helm is an absolute nonsense. Declan and Maurice have proven that this year. Elite team management in GAA, per Dublin under Jim and/or per Limerick under John requires innovation, top notch s&c, great coaching, superb in-game tactical acumen and empowerment of players to execute gameplans and think on their feet.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 28, 2021 20:35:52 GMT
So we had the right management then and this is not a great team?
I think some are over simplifying it - I feel it is a big advantage but of course there is other factors.
Given we have most AIs then we should have the greatest number ticking this box, and was PK really the best?
Maybe we need a management program, say like The Everest Program in Kerry Group.
With respect I thought my contention re how good they were was respected, just a view - maybe I am wrong, so let's swap out the panel and leave management there.
I don't think Tyrone are better players, but they are better managed, while they may not be short of funds we should have more money as the economy of Kerry is much bigger and Kerry Plc is a big company that sponsors us.
Going forward I think GAA will do a crowd-funding to eliminate outside influences, e.g. All tickets go to clubs and none lost to sponsors. This model is apt for an amateur sport and naming rights would boost our finances. There are 3 GAA county boards I know of considering that model at the moment. That Covid accelerated digitisation will only push things faster.
I often find we may have disputes on here but if we say down together we would find that we are all of a similar mind as we have a similar objective, to win Sam. Still I think taggart above is a bit off in terming the notion a 'lark' though he is right on most else of what he says and if more people had that level of understanding then we might arrive at the right decisions. And BTW a few of our managers won because other factors got us over the line.
Hey, heavy chat for the evening that is in it and well, what doesn't kill us will only make us stronger.
Stay slainte a chairde Chiarraí.
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Post by taggert on Aug 28, 2021 21:20:23 GMT
So we had the right management then and this is not a great team? I think some are over simplifying it - I feel it is a big advantage but of course there is other factors. Given we have most AIs then we should have the greatest number ticking this box, and was PK really the best? Maybe we need a management program, say like The Everest Program in Kerry Group. With respect I thought my contention re how good they were was respected, just a view - maybe I am wrong, so let's swap out the panel and leave management there. I don't think Tyrone are better players, but they are better managed, while they may not be short of funds we should have more money as the economy of Kerry is much bigger and Kerry Plc is a big company that sponsors us. Going forward I think GAA will do a crowd-funding to eliminate outside influences, e.g. All tickets go to clubs and none lost to sponsors. This model is apt for an amateur sport and naming rights would boost our finances. There are 3 GAA county boards I know of considering that model at the moment. That Covid accelerated digitisation will only push things faster. I often find we may have disputes on here but if we say down together we would find that we are all of a similar mind as we have a similar objective, to win Sam. Still I think taggart above is a bit off in terming the notion a 'lark' though he is right on most else of what he says and if more people had that level of understanding then we might arrive at the right decisions. And BTW a few of our managers won because other factors got us over the line. Hey, heavy chat for the evening that is in it and well, what doesn't kill us will only make us stronger. Stay slainte a chairde Chiarraí. Bally, didn't mean to offend with "lark". Moreso, have already seen and heard names being mentioned (and PK is still manager), some of whom are ex players with zero managing/coaching credentials. The right types for such a demanding job don't grow on trees and I believe we should not box ourselves into a corner by assuming it has to be an ex player or a former great. There's much much more yo it than that. But as you say, we all want the same happy outcome....
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 28, 2021 21:24:30 GMT
Ah no bother taggert and I know we are all a bit off, and all our hearts are in the same place and probably more than we realise.
BTW folks, was Morgans the first 70 to be pointed with the big liathroid?
Did he also get distance and height with one after?
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Post by gaelicden on Aug 28, 2021 21:32:16 GMT
Ah no bother taggert and I know we are all a bit off, and all our hearts are in the same place and probably more than we realise. BTW folks, was Morgans the first 70 to be pointed with the big liathroid? Did he also get distance and height with one after? The footballs are getting lighter I tell ya, we'll have to make them yellow again😂😂 I thought Sheehan scored one which was close enough in '07 against the Dubs with the wind behind his back (we'll call those days "the good ole days") but maybe not as close as today's. Morgan's shot is one of those rare shots the lucky teams get on a very good day.
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Post by kingdomkerry on Aug 29, 2021 10:13:07 GMT
Keeper not intercounty standard. Need a centre back. A couple of backs too small for intercounty. Could do with Stefan Okunbor and Mark O'Connor. Need Moran for another year as Barry isn't good enough. Forward line of Spillane Clifford and Tony Brosnan who should be an automatic. Half forward line of Clifford, Sean O'Shea and one place up for grabs.
Most of all we need a manager. I'm not too sure who yet, but PK has been an absolute disaster. Tactically inept and constantly playing players out of position. Took off forwards for midfielders again yesterday.
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Post by boherbee on Aug 29, 2021 10:37:11 GMT
What we need is what other counties have a tactician. Stop this believe that we are just better footballers which we are but we were our smarted again. I actually believe EF would do great with that group as he would have something to work with. Unlike his previous stint which let's behonest he had an average enough group. PK makes it worse with this yerra crap.. makes him think he looks clever but then when it matters he doesn't. That being said players need to take accountability too, a few lads went hiding today. 100% Shane Ryan was on our 40 for Tyrone's kickouts. Never before did he or any other Kerry goalkeeper before him do this. Tyrone and Monaghan did this in the Ulster final. Over recent years other teams have adopted or reinvented different tactical plays. We have not created one, or devised some new imaginative way to break down a defence. We will imitate fine. That lack of creativity is worrying for me. Never really put it up to Dublin over the last six or seven years either, gave them a clear run most of the time.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Aug 29, 2021 12:09:01 GMT
What we need is what other counties have a tactician. Stop this believe that we are just better footballers which we are but we were our smarted again. I actually believe EF would do great with that group as he would have something to work with. Unlike his previous stint which let's behonest he had an average enough group. PK makes it worse with this yerra crap.. makes him think he looks clever but then when it matters he doesn't. That being said players need to take accountability too, a few lads went hiding today. 100% Shane Ryan was on our 40 for Tyrone's kickouts. Never before did he or any other Kerry goalkeeper before him do this. Tyrone and Monaghan did this in the Ulster final. Over recent years other teams have adopted or reinvented different tactical plays. We have not created one, or devised some new imaginative way to break down a defence. We will imitate fine. That lack of creativity is worrying for me. Kerry did the press on Dublin in 2016 and Dublin learned from that. Who popularised that prior? The Munster Final was on before the Ulster Final and Ryan did the same thing v Cork. Two creative things in the past few years.
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Post by Premier on Aug 29, 2021 15:14:59 GMT
What we need is what other counties have a tactician. Stop this believe that we are just better footballers which we are but we were our smarted again. I actually believe EF would do great with that group as he would have something to work with. Unlike his previous stint which let's behonest he had an average enough group. PK makes it worse with this yerra crap.. makes him think he looks clever but then when it matters he doesn't. That being said players need to take accountability too, a few lads went hiding today. 100% Shane Ryan was on our 40 for Tyrone's kickouts. Never before did he or any other Kerry goalkeeper before him do this. Tyrone and Monaghan did this in the Ulster final. Over recent years other teams have adopted or reinvented different tactical plays. We have not created one, or devised some new imaginative way to break down a defence. We will imitate fine. That lack of creativity is worrying for me. Kerry literally did this tactic for the majority of the Cork game. And we did well on their kick outs, we cleaned up on breaks
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Post by gaelicden on Aug 29, 2021 21:04:01 GMT
One question for the historians on here. Tim Murphy's term as chairman is nearly up. Possibly by the end of December if I'm not mistaken, well that's what I saw in one of the newspapers anyway. If that's the case, his term will have ended without Senior All Ireland success, a rare stat that no KCB chairman wants on their legacy of course. Sean Kelly came close of course, with Kerry winning one in his last year. Has any previous chairman gone through their tenure without AI success for Kerry?
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Post by mossie on Aug 29, 2021 21:11:50 GMT
One question for the historians on here. Tim Murphy's term as chairman is nearly up. Possibly by the end of December if I'm not mistaken, well that's what I saw in one of the newspapers anyway. If that's the case, his term will have ended without Senior All Ireland success, a rare stat that no KCB chairman wants on their legacy of course. Sean Kelly came close of course, with Kerry winning one in his last year. Has any previous chairman gone through their tenure without AI success for Kerry? Yes, Tim wont have one is his reign , but still a great Chairman Sean Kelly just about got one , had unprecedented success in hurling, a win over waterford in munster championship, clare in division one of the national league
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Post by blacksheep21 on Aug 29, 2021 22:06:11 GMT
One question for the historians on here. Tim Murphy's term as chairman is nearly up. Possibly by the end of December if I'm not mistaken, well that's what I saw in one of the newspapers anyway. If that's the case, his term will have ended without Senior All Ireland success, a rare stat that no KCB chairman wants on their legacy of course. Sean Kelly came close of course, with Kerry winning one in his last year. Has any previous chairman gone through their tenure without AI success for Kerry? Yes, Tim wont have one is his reign , but still a great Chairman Sean Kelly just about got one , had unprecedented success in hurling, a win over waterford in munster championship, clare in division one of the national league Tim Murphys big call was the appointment of Keane. He foisted Buckley onto Keane which in my view showed a weakness in leadership. Tim Murphy is far from being a great chairman.
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Post by dc84 on Aug 30, 2021 7:42:27 GMT
We are about 5 players short by the looks of it from my perspective. 1.A proper corner back not a converted wing back Tom sull and foley did fairly well in my opinion. We need someone who defends 1st 2nd and 3rd 2.A centre back obviously our Achilles heel for years. I'm amazed Morley hasnt gone back there always his natural position 3. Another midfielder o connor was good yesterday and is your prototype modern midfielder but I don't think the other options are up to it at this level 4. Another scoring threat up front preferably with pace we seem to lack someone who can really punch holes with direct running. Sob has had a couple of poor years and time isn't on his side. Burns and Moynihan are good workers and a fit Moynihan especially is a good addition but he isnt a scorer and hasn't massive pace. 5. A north kerry special and I mean this with the up most respect north kerry has always produced some of our toughest players kennelly senior ,Liam Flaherty ,Eamon Breen, kennelly junior, galvin et al lads you would be afraid of in a dark alley even if there was three of you and one of them! I am out of the county a fair bit now so I don't know if there are any options out there that aren't in the panel already I think Mike Breen might be an option at 6 in time , and Paul o shea for midfield if Australia doesn't get him any other option? Another thing I think we should do next year is play Clifford and o shea less in the league or move seanie to 6 or midfield too easy for the other forwards to rely on them to do everything 3 points from our forwards outside of the 2 boys is Not even close to good enough.
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Post by lutontown on Aug 30, 2021 7:48:01 GMT
Normally I'd set up a preseason thread after we're knock out of the championship but this season I'll delay it because there's a question to be asked; where is the Kerry senior intercounty team currently? It's been 3 seasons of Peter Keane and co. and what have we done overall? 2 Munster championships and 1 1/2 leagues, 1 all Ireland final appearance (2 if Replay is included) which we lost. Over the past 3 seasons when push came to shove, we crumbled; ahead against Donegal in Super 8s in 2019 in last minute - draw. 1 point ahead of 14 man Dublin after 66 minutes in AI final - Drew lost replay. 1 point ahead with time up in ET against Cork - Lost with sucker punch goal. Today against Tyrone. With 2019, 1st season with young players you can expect that type of performance. Against Cork last year was a complete shock but after year 3 it's the exact same problem. We can never get rid of that soft underbelly arguments with those performances. PK solution after last year's flop was to bring in Pat Falvey as a performance consultant. What we really needed was a football coach, a coach we already had before Keane dismissed him. I don't want to really talk about Tyrone today, that can be left to the semi final discussion and I won't talk about the players today either while I'm raw, or the 5 week break and Covid, but after 3 seasons we're still relying on 2 players for scores, I thought we had gone passed that stage but there it was again. Imagine if one of these lads went to Australia... It's been 7 years since Kerry won the AI championship. You can now make that at least 8... We're firmly in famine territory now (for Kerry standards anyway). 1 now in at least 13 years is saying something about where we are. In my opinion we've gone backwards and we're further away from winning it than ever before now. I just don't know when we'll win it again, it could be next year or the year after... Maybe this bunch never win one and we have a Dublin Footballers/Cork Hurlers type famine. But we're Kerry and we'll come back from this... Surely? Personally, I'm beginning to feel that Keane's position is untenable but who do we have to replace him? We normally work on 3 year cycles. Paidi who his first after 2 seasons, the next after 3 seasons and was sacked after 3 seasons without. Jack left 3 years after '09, and while Fitzmaurice saw more than 3 years after '14, he was gone after 4 seasons. I'm a bit down now as I write this as I thought by now we'd have made the breakthrough, especially as the Dubs seemed to have fallen, we'd take our rightful place at the top of the table. I suppose the main thing to take from this is as the title says; WHERE ARE WE?
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Post by john4 on Aug 30, 2021 7:52:27 GMT
We are about 5 players short by the looks of it from my perspective. 1.A proper corner back not a converted wing back Tom sull and foley did fairly well in my opinion. We need someone who defends 1st 2nd and 3rd 2.A centre back obviously our Achilles heel for years. I'm amazed Morley hasnt gone back there always his natural position 3. Another midfielder o connor was good yesterday and is your prototype modern midfielder but I don't think the other options are up to it at this level 4. Another scoring threat up front preferably with pace we seem to lack someone who can really punch holes with direct running. Sob has had a couple of poor years and time isn't on his side. Burns and Moynihan are good workers and a fit Moynihan especially is a good addition but he isnt a scorer and hasn't massive pace. 5. A north kerry special and I mean this with the up most respect north kerry has always produced some of our toughest players kennelly senior ,Liam Flaherty ,Eamon Breen, kennelly junior, galvin et al lads you would be afraid of in a dark alley even if there was three of you and one of them! I am out of the county a fair bit now so I don't know if there are any options out there that aren't in the panel already I think Mike Breen might be an option at 6 in time , and Paul o shea for midfield if Australia doesn't get him any other option? Another thing I think we should do next year is play Clifford and o shea less in the league or move seanie to 6 or midfield too easy for the other forwards to rely on them to do everything 3 points from our forwards outside of the 2 boys is Not even close to good enough. We need a few proper c*nts.
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Post by dc84 on Aug 30, 2021 7:53:37 GMT
We are about 5 players short by the looks of it from my perspective. 1.A proper corner back not a converted wing back Tom sull and foley did fairly well in my opinion. We need someone who defends 1st 2nd and 3rd 2.A centre back obviously our Achilles heel for years. I'm amazed Morley hasnt gone back there always his natural position 3. Another midfielder o connor was good yesterday and is your prototype modern midfielder but I don't think the other options are up to it at this level 4. Another scoring threat up front preferably with pace we seem to lack someone who can really punch holes with direct running. Sob has had a couple of poor years and time isn't on his side. Burns and Moynihan are good workers and a fit Moynihan especially is a good addition but he isnt a scorer and hasn't massive pace. 5. A north kerry special and I mean this with the up most respect north kerry has always produced some of our toughest players kennelly senior ,Liam Flaherty ,Eamon Breen, kennelly junior, galvin et al lads you would be afraid of in a dark alley even if there was three of you and one of them! I am out of the county a fair bit now so I don't know if there are any options out there that aren't in the panel already I think Mike Breen might be an option at 6 in time , and Paul o shea for midfield if Australia doesn't get him any other option? Another thing I think we should do next year is play Clifford and o shea less in the league or move seanie to 6 or midfield too easy for the other forwards to rely on them to do everything 3 points from our forwards outside of the 2 boys is Not even close to good enough. We need a few proper c*nts. That's what I was inferring in a nice way , Gavin Crowley is the only one of our backs like that at the moment
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Post by lutontown on Aug 30, 2021 8:09:03 GMT
Morning, Great passion from posters who want same thing. To be the best. I get confused a little about ‘the game has moved on’ has it ? I watched the Dublin 5 final, a great Dublin team that was very nearly overcome by a talented Kerry team with spirit. Missing ingredient ? Goal scorers. Same Saturday. Personal opinion is Kerry not as far away as many think. A team that can score goals is ‘always’ dangerous. Why Kerry can’t score goals I will leave down to you to decide. Be positive, still have great fans, great traditions and history. Kingdom will be back, greater than ever.
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Post by Newtown on Aug 30, 2021 8:22:44 GMT
thomas o shea really put the knife in on sunday game to keane, smart ass comment about lost on train from tralee didnt help. in fairness players need to be accountable too, after munster final they were saying best spirit in squad ever now they prob blame management. im sure donie buckley is a good coach but insisting on him been part of it onto a new manager is not a good idea and he fell out with both jack o connor and peter keane. maurice fitz maybe he has no influence, managers tend to do things their own way. im sure ex players from noughties been talked about but none have set the world alight at club level. the ex players in the media hardly give up that handy gig.
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Post by hurlingman on Aug 30, 2021 15:41:48 GMT
A lot of things needs to be looked at. While managemtn and players need to be held accountable the county board also have to. Like when JOC finished after 2012 and EF after 2018 there's no standout to take over the job again.
Since 2010 the appointments to the U21/20s have not been good. DOS is only after one year and EF only had one year so they can be excused. John Kennedy was a disaster. Now i do know how he became the manager wasn't his fault but why did it come to that? The less said about Darragh O Se the better, but again how did he end up getting the job? JOC should have been givne a chance after the minors in 2014-15 but again failed, granted some of it not his fault, and was left on for too long.
Who's it going to be? As has been said the insisting on Donie Buckley being part of the team could be off putting to people. While it's tehre for all to see what he can bring it has to be questioned his falling out with managers. Does he want to have too much of a say? Maybe
Mike Quirke's name will probably be one but he didn't get up to much with Laois. Granted very few seem to be able to make headway with them.
John Sugrue looked a prime candidate for the job but is travel going to be a problem as it seemed to be with the U20s.
Outside of these two it's hard to think of anyone else. Maurice Fitz has been around for a few years now and i can't think he'd being anything new to the table.
At club level Pat O Shea has been the most successful in the last decade but he's already said he wouldn't go back. The East Kerry management team. They've experience with Leimerick at U20 level but would it be too much of a step up?
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Post by hatchetman on Aug 30, 2021 17:24:01 GMT
Who are the East Kerry management team?
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