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Post by gaelicden on Aug 5, 2021 16:37:50 GMT
www.kerrygaa.ie/fintan-oconnor-ste/Kerry will have a new hurling manager in 2022. Thanks to Fintan for the hard work over the past 5 seasons. In comparison to late 2016, the County Board will have plenty of time to get this appointment sorted and hopefully the new management team can get started with a means to go next season.
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Post by dc84 on Aug 5, 2021 17:16:31 GMT
www.kerrygaa.ie/fintan-oconnor-ste/Kerry will have a new hurling manager in 2022. Thanks to Fintan for the hard work over the past 5 seasons. In comparison to late 2016, the County Board will have plenty of time to get this appointment sorted and hopefully the new management team can get started with a means to go next season. Davy fitz is available.. mileage wouldn't be as good as wexford but still |
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Post by Fado on Aug 5, 2021 18:28:37 GMT
Davy and Paul, the dream team!
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Post by dc84 on Aug 5, 2021 18:47:24 GMT
Davy and Paul, the dream team! Haha nearly forgot that element |
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Post by mossie on Aug 5, 2021 19:08:01 GMT
The time has come for change after 5 years and that is not a criticism of Fintan
He did well , things just seem to go stale in 2021 and Kerry never gathered momentum in 2021 to build on 2020
All in all he did a good job and the continuity of a manager for a 5 year spell was good rather than chopping and changing regularly but after 5 years , time for change
It is easy criticise Kerry hurling management and players but with a small pick and the rate the stronger counties are getting better, this needs to be considered when dishing out criticism. It is near impossible task for a manager to take on
The new manager may have to go with a few players off the under 20 squads of 2020 and 2021 and everyone accept a Joe McDonagh cup will not arrive until a few of these have a year or two under their belt at senior
The performance of under 17 and under 20 teams in Munster is encouraging as is representation on these teams from Crokes, Parnells, Kenmare and Kilgarvan
Best of luck to Fintan and to his successor
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Post by mossie on Aug 5, 2021 19:11:56 GMT
Davy and Paul, the dream team! Paul yes please plenty of hurling background ditto his Lixnaw neighbour Eamonn Fitzmaurice!! Paul in Mayo now so not a realistic option really Mention of Mayo, what a GAA servant Keith Higgins is, captained Mayo to hurling success last weekend Be interesting to see who gets the job Would John Meyler have another go off it? |
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Post by hurlingman on Aug 5, 2021 19:29:32 GMT
Davy and Paul, the dream team! Paul yes please plenty of hurling background ditto his Lixnaw neighbour Eamonn Fitzmaurice!! Paul in Mayo now so not a realistic option really Mention of Mayo, what a GAA servant Keith Higgins is, captained Mayo to hurling success last weekend Be interesting to see who gets the job Would John Meyler have another go off it? Ian Brick would be my pick. Had a lot of success at underage and is doing well with the camogie team. Outside of Kerry someone like Colm Bonnar would be a great appointment. Kevin Ryan or Jerry Wallace wouldn't be bad calls either. One thing that hopefully won't happen is a repeat of the likes of Ciarán Carey, Tom Howard etc of someone coming in and are then gone again after a season. |
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Aug 5, 2021 19:43:00 GMT
As long as it's not Derek McGrath.
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Post by dc84 on Aug 10, 2021 15:54:10 GMT
Listening to dalos podcast he has a gra for kerry hurling and isnt that far away geographically....
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Post by homerj on Aug 11, 2021 14:29:02 GMT
As long as it's not Derek McGrath. not a hope it would be, but why would you have an issue with that? he would be fantastic manager for Kerry. as i said though, will never happen. |
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Post by hurlingman on Aug 26, 2021 18:42:51 GMT
According to the Examiner the names being mentioned are.
Seoirse Bulfin. Was involved with Davy Fitz in Waterfrod, Clare and Wexford. Could be a good call. Fintan O Connor came in with slimier experience as an assistant.
Tom Kingston. Brother Kieran. His main experience seem to only be with UCC but they've Fitzgibbon Cup under him.
Stephen Molumphy. Has been a selector with Waterfrod and Wexford but that seems to be it. If he was to get the job i could see it being another Ciarán Carey or Pat Heffernan type thing where he's gone after a season.
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Post by Lolly Valance on Aug 27, 2021 12:45:24 GMT
Its hard to know. Is there anyone inside the county capable of taking it on? Don't know much about Buflin.
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Post by mossie on Aug 29, 2021 22:19:32 GMT
bit like the footballers, it needs a shake up
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Post by gaelicden on Sept 7, 2021 13:30:45 GMT
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Post by hurlingman on Sept 8, 2021 8:42:48 GMT
While I hope i'm wrong i can't see thi going well. Like I've said i could see it being another Ciarán Carey or Pat Heffernan and looking for someone new after a season. Based on what has she got the job? He's also till playing club hurling, well at least he was lat year, so is his full commitment going to be given? |
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Post by veteran on Sept 8, 2021 9:13:58 GMT
Hurlingman, is there anybody within the county to take this job. I am alway sceptical about these have gun will travel merchants. The background you sketch about the incoming manager does not inspire confidence . I understand the almost incestuous rivalry between the clubs in North Kerry makes it difficult to get a candidate who would be universally acceptable. A wild suggestion might be to appoint somebody with a football back ground and therefore with no hurling baggage. He then could appoint the best hurling brains in the county as his background team. Doncha Walsh was the hurling physio with Fintan O’Connor. Doncha is a very popular man all over the county. Gerald McKenna is another hugely respected man in the county. Of course he is shoving on now but could he not be appointed as a sort of titular head who could oversee a management team?
What I am suggesting is revolutionary I suppose but it is wearisome seeing these outsiders serving their hurling managerial apprenticeship in Kerry.
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Post by hurlingman on Sept 8, 2021 10:21:36 GMT
Hurlingman, is there anybody within the county to take this job. I am alway sceptical about these have gun will travel merchants. The background you sketch about the incoming manager does not inspire confidence . I understand the almost incestuous rivalry between the clubs in North Kerry makes it difficult to get a candidate who would be universally acceptable. A wild suggestion might be to appoint somebody with a football back ground and therefore with no hurling baggage. He then could appoint the best hurling brains in the county as his background team. Doncha Walsh was the hurling physio with Fintan O’Connor. Doncha is a very popular man all over the county. Gerald McKenna is another hugely respected man in the county. Of course he is shoving on now but could he not be appointed as a sort of titular head who could oversee a management team? What I am suggesting is revolutionary I suppose but it is wearisome seeing these outsiders serving their hurling managerial apprenticeship in Kerry. i would say Ian Brick but he's been doing a good job with the camogie team so is probably going to stay there. He had a great record with the minor and U21 teams who mkae up a lot of the senior team now. Down the line i would say Tadhg Flynn would be a good call. Paul Galvin wouldn't be a bad good either imo. Stephen Molumphy experience is as a selector with Wexford and Waterford and managed Castlemartyr in Cork. Not the CV you'd think would warrant getting an intercounty job. There are far too many of these types of managers around who get jobs based in their playing careers. |
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 8, 2021 11:53:40 GMT
I understand the almost incestuous rivalry between the clubs in North Kerry makes it difficult to get a candidate who would be universally acceptable. There is a strong rivalry but 'incestuous'? OTT in my view. The outgoing manager did his full term. Tomas oSe is gone off to learn his trade with Offaly. Wont that benefit Offaly and Kerry in the long run. I think the players like to hear the gospel from the big counties. Ballyduff Upper hugs the Cork border and the munster blackwater that rises in Kerry flows through it. Shur he is nearly one of us! |
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Post by veteran on Sept 8, 2021 13:48:36 GMT
Incestuous is a strong word alright and, possibly, would have been more applicable some time ago but I wonder is it entirely inappropriate to use it at present. There are two reasons why it may still be a relevant term to use in connection with Kerry club hurling.
The first concerns the matter under discussion- Kerry hurling manager. Whenever we are looking for another Kerry hurling manager and the gaze of the County Board is outwards rather than inwards I often ask people who are intimately involved with Kerry hurling, why not an internal appointee? Is it because there is a dearth of knowledgeable hurling men in Kerry? Invariably the answer is , "oh no, there are a lot of suitable candidates but it impossible to find one who will be accepted by all the hurling clubs" There is the fear that one club would be slow to release their players to satisfy the ego of a manager from a neighbouring club , the worry that the manager would be slow to pick players from a rival club etc. Now, we are currently having a debate about our next football manager. The debate centres about his competence. Nobody gives a damn about his club of origin.
It is not long ago that Brendan Cummins was assistant hurling manager. Neither it is too long ago when , rather than preaching his "gospel" to our lads, he preferred to collect his stipend from RTE to commentate on a match from Croke Park which clashed with an important Kerry match at a different venue. I suggest that would not have happened if he was assistant manager with Tipperary. Respect for Kerry hurling?
As for Tomas going to Offaly and other "names" going here, there and everywhere, I suggest it is a case of throwing good money after bad in the majority of cases. We have exported a few of these and observe the impact or lack thereof they have had on their "adopted" counties in most cases. Regarding Stephen Molumphy living adjacent to the Blackwater with its origins in Kerry etc, I will concede that is a point in his favour. He will be able to travel down by boat.
The other reason that the word incestuous may not be inappropriate concerns the matter of referees. Why is it that for our major hurling games we have to import referees from Cork, Limerick etc. For example the two recent hurling semifinals were refereed by Limerick referees and I will surprised if that pattern does not continue for the final. Why is that?
It is a sad state of affairs if we can neither produce hurling managers or hurling referees. It is hard to accept the reality of that. Could there be another reason?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 8, 2021 14:07:21 GMT
... the Blackwater with its origins in Kerry... Wow that is cool, I never knew that, and I never knew that river in Ballydesmond was that same Blackwater. |
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 8, 2021 14:15:20 GMT
... the Blackwater with its origins in Kerry... Wow that is cool, I never knew that, and I never knew that river in Ballydesmond was that same Blackwater. I spent a week in West Waterford during the summer so i did a bit of reading up on that amazing river. It takes a 90 degree sharp right at Cappaquinn and the reason it does is because it follows the course of the original Suir at that point. The Suir changed its course millions of years ago and headed towards Waterford. |
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 8, 2021 14:21:31 GMT
Incestuous is a strong word alright and, possibly, would have been more applicable some time ago but I wonder is it entirely inappropriate to use it at present. There are two reasons why it may still be a relevant term to use in connection with Kerry club hurling. The first concerns the matter under discussion- Kerry hurling manager. Whenever we are looking for another Kerry hurling manager and the gaze of the County Board is outwards rather than inwards I often ask people who are intimately involved with Kerry hurling, why not an internal appointee? Is it because there is a dearth of knowledgeable hurling men in Kerry? Invariably the answer is , "oh no, there are a lot of suitable candidates but it impossible to find one who will be accepted by all the hurling clubs" There is the fear that one club would be slow to release their players to satisfy the ego of a manager from a neighbouring club , the worry that the manager would be slow to pick players from a rival club etc. Now, we are currently having a debate about our next football manager. The debate centres about his competence. Nobody gives a damn about his club of origin. It is not long ago that Brendan Cummins was assistant hurling manager. Neither it is too long ago when , rather than preaching his "gospel" to our lads, he preferred to collect his stipend from RTE to commentate on a match from Croke Park which clashed with an important Kerry match at a different venue. I suggest that would not have happened if he was assistant manager with Tipperary. Respect for Kerry hurling? As for Tomas going to Offaly and other "names" going here, there and everywhere, I suggest it is a case of throwing good money after bad in the majority of cases. We have exported a few of these and observe the impact or lack thereof they have had on their "adopted" counties in most cases. Regarding Stephen Molumphy living adjacent to the Blackwater with its origins in Kerry etc, I will concede that is a point in his favour. He will be able to travel down by boat. The other reason that the word incestuous may not be inappropriate concerns the matter of referees. Why is it that for our major hurling games we have to import referees from Cork, Limerick etc. For example the two recent hurling semifinals were refereed by Limerick referees and I will surprised if that pattern does not continue for the final. Why is that? It is a sad state of affairs if we can neither produce hurling managers or hurling referees. It is hard to accept the reality of that. Could there be another reason? I think Kerry hurling players now have something tangible to play for with the Christy Ring and Joe McDonagh in the summer and i do believe they would play for a home grown manager if one were appointed. There is no bitter rivalry anymore. Thats ancient history in my book. Every club brings in 'names' to help them win the championship in Kerry. Players love that and look up to them. The ref from the 2021 final between Limerick and Cork was the ref for the Kerry final a few years ago. I think thats a great thing too. I dont know many match reports i have read about the NK football championship where the ref was biased and a joke etc. |
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Post by hurlingman on Sept 8, 2021 14:51:47 GMT
Incestuous is a strong word alright and, possibly, would have been more applicable some time ago but I wonder is it entirely inappropriate to use it at present. There are two reasons why it may still be a relevant term to use in connection with Kerry club hurling. The first concerns the matter under discussion- Kerry hurling manager. Whenever we are looking for another Kerry hurling manager and the gaze of the County Board is outwards rather than inwards I often ask people who are intimately involved with Kerry hurling, why not an internal appointee? Is it because there is a dearth of knowledgeable hurling men in Kerry? Invariably the answer is , "oh no, there are a lot of suitable candidates but it impossible to find one who will be accepted by all the hurling clubs" There is the fear that one club would be slow to release their players to satisfy the ego of a manager from a neighbouring club , the worry that the manager would be slow to pick players from a rival club etc. Now, we are currently having a debate about our next football manager. The debate centres about his competence. Nobody gives a damn about his club of origin. It is not long ago that Brendan Cummins was assistant hurling manager. Neither it is too long ago when , rather than preaching his "gospel" to our lads, he preferred to collect his stipend from RTE to commentate on a match from Croke Park which clashed with an important Kerry match at a different venue. I suggest that would not have happened if he was assistant manager with Tipperary. Respect for Kerry hurling?As for Tomas going to Offaly and other "names" going here, there and everywhere, I suggest it is a case of throwing good money after bad in the majority of cases. We have exported a few of these and observe the impact or lack thereof they have had on their "adopted" counties in most cases. Regarding Stephen Molumphy living adjacent to the Blackwater with its origins in Kerry etc, I will concede that is a point in his favour. He will be able to travel down by boat. The other reason that the word incestuous may not be inappropriate concerns the matter of referees. Why is it that for our major hurling games we have to import referees from Cork, Limerick etc. For example the two recent hurling semifinals were refereed by Limerick referees and I will surprised if that pattern does not continue for the final. Why is that?
It is a sad state of affairs if we can neither produce hurling managers or hurling referees. It is hard to accept the reality of that. Could there be another reason? Re Cummins. That's the exact reason you'd question some outside managers. When he was Kerry manager Éamonn Kelly was also training clubs teams. If he was the Tipp manager would he be doing the same? If he was managing a Waterfrod intercounty team would Stephen Molumphy still be playing club hurling? That's if he still is. Michael Fennelly was the same when he first became Offaly manager. Re Ref. It's been happening with at leat 15 years now for the championship. So much so that i ould say there's very few Kerry hurling refs anymore. |
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Post by veteran on Sept 8, 2021 15:00:44 GMT
Why is it a great thing that the 2021 All-Ireland final referee refereed the Kerry county final a few years back ? Wouldn’t it be a greater thing if a Kerry referee handled it ? In that way he could put himself in the shop window for refereeing intercounty games and , who knows , ultimately referee an All-Ireland final . Wouldn’t that be the greatest thing of all. Under the present system, the reasons for which you choose to ignore, a Kerry hurling referee will never have that honour bestowed on him.
As for for all these reports you have read about the bias and incompetence of referees in the North Kerry Championship , that is no more than the usual chitter-chatter you hear post most club and intercounty games all over the country. It has nothing to do with the reasons for the exclusion of Kerry referees from our major club hurling games. Perhaps you would now address that situation.
You say you have no doubt that our hurlers would play under a home grown manager. I am absolutely thrilled to hear that. Let us appoint one then who sincerely has the best interests of Kerry hurling in his heart rather somebody who is using our lads as fodder for bigger opportunities. The grass is not always greener on the other side of the hill.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 8, 2021 15:18:13 GMT
Why is it a great thing that the 2021 All-Ireland final referee refereed the Kerry county final a few years back ? Wouldn’t it be a greater thing if a Kerry referee handled it ? In that way he could put himself in the shop window for refereeing intercounty games and , who knows , ultimately referee an All-Ireland final . Wouldn’t that be the greatest thing of all. Under the present system, the reasons for which you choose to ignore, a Kerry hurling referee will never have that honour bestowed on him. As for for all these reports you have read about the bias and incompetence of referees in the North Kerry Championship , that is no more than the usual chitter-chatter you hear post most club and intercounty games all over the country. It has nothing to do with the reasons for the exclusion of Kerry referees from our major club hurling games. Perhaps you would now address that situation. You say you have no doubt that our hurlers would play under a home grown manager. I am absolutely thrilled to hear that. Let us appoint one then who sincerely has the best interests of Kerry hurling in his heart rather somebody who is using our lads as fodder for bigger opportunities. The grass is not always greener on the other side of the hill. I would be very surprised if what players want is not a consideration in the appointment. They are well used to getting expert advise from outside the county at club level. The appointment of outsiders as refs goes back a long time. There was an infamous county final where the local ref was so biased it was incredible. I was at it. That was the catalyst for change. I am sure if enough people clamour for change the KCC will change their policy. |
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Post by gaelicden on Sept 8, 2021 15:23:31 GMT
... the Blackwater with its origins in Kerry... Wow that is cool, I never knew that, and I never knew that river in Ballydesmond was that same Blackwater. Ah the river blackwater; separating the good side (Kerry) and the bad side (Cork) of Rathmore Parish. I'm on the good side of it of course 😁. Keeps Rathmore and Gneeveguilla administered by Kerry GAA and Knocknagree by Cork GAA; neither of which might be considered hurling strongholds although there is a bit of hurling going on around. Yeah, Ballyduff Upper isn't too far away from the bounds between Waterford and Cork; According to Google maps, it's only about 1 hour 48 mins by car (23 hours if you walk) from Ballyduff Upper to Currans if that's where the Hurlers train, I'm not sure. Roughly 4 hours round trip overall. In comparison, Jack O'Connor's resignation letter highlighted an 8 hour round trip so its not that far. It's a 2 year term. Like others I'd be concerned about him taking flight after 1 year like Carey (as long as it isn't 7 days before Christmas I wouldn't be mad about it). He is an army man though, so there is that potential for him to LEAD Kerry towards the next level... so long as he has the right backroom team around him (I do understand he will have two Waterford based selectors with him but we're talking everything above that, same for the footballers). |
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Post by veteran on Sept 8, 2021 16:24:55 GMT
Why is it a great thing that the 2021 All-Ireland final referee refereed the Kerry county final a few years back ? Wouldn’t it be a greater thing if a Kerry referee handled it ? In that way he could put himself in the shop window for refereeing intercounty games and , who knows , ultimately referee an All-Ireland final . Wouldn’t that be the greatest thing of all. Under the present system, the reasons for which you choose to ignore, a Kerry hurling referee will never have that honour bestowed on him. As for for all these reports you have read about the bias and incompetence of referees in the North Kerry Championship , that is no more than the usual chitter-chatter you hear post most club and intercounty games all over the country. It has nothing to do with the reasons for the exclusion of Kerry referees from our major club hurling games. Perhaps you would now address that situation. You say you have no doubt that our hurlers would play under a home grown manager. I am absolutely thrilled to hear that. Let us appoint one then who sincerely has the best interests of Kerry hurling in his heart rather somebody who is using our lads as fodder for bigger opportunities. The grass is not always greener on the other side of the hill. I would be very surprised if what players want is not a consideration in the appointment. They are well used to getting expert advise from outside the county at club level. The appointment of outsiders as refs goes back a long time. There was an infamous county final where the local ref was so biased it was incredible. I was at it. That was the catalyst for change. I am sure if enough people clamour for change the KCC will change their policy. The incredible bias of the local referee was the catalyst for change? Does this not prove my point about the probable appropriateness of the word “ incestuous” . If the bitter rivalry is ancient history would you agree it is high time we went back to nurturing and appointing home grown referees? If we spend all our time “looking up to” outside prophets of the managerial and refereeing species Kerry hurling will stand still. Self respect is a necessary ingredient in acquiring maturity . Feeling you are inferior stunts your growth. |
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 8, 2021 16:41:37 GMT
I would be very surprised if what players want is not a consideration in the appointment. They are well used to getting expert advise from outside the county at club level. The appointment of outsiders as refs goes back a long time. There was an infamous county final where the local ref was so biased it was incredible. I was at it. That was the catalyst for change. I am sure if enough people clamour for change the KCC will change their policy. The incredible bias of the local referee was the catalyst for change? Does this not prove my point about the probable appropriateness of the word “ incestuous” . If the bitter rivalry is ancient history would you agree it is high time we went back to nurturing and appointing home grown referees? If we spend all our time “looking up to” outside prophets of the managerial and refereeing species Kerry hurling will stand still. Self respect is a necessary ingredient in acquiring maturity . Feeling you are inferior stunts your growth. I would be slow to use the word 'incestuous' myself to describe a a strong local rivalry. Is the NK Football championship 'incestuous'. In my opinion bringing in outside refs for the county championship has worked well. If the players would prefer an outside manager with senior intercounty experience, do you think that should be a factor in the decision. I do. |
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Post by veteran on Sept 8, 2021 18:15:20 GMT
I do not know what the protocol is for selecting the Kerry hurling manager and whether the County Board canvas the players as to their wishes. It is conceivable that the County Board and players are equally starstruck about the superiority of outside managers and referees. More likely , the County Board’s conditioned response at this stage is that outsiders are better. This nihilistic approach regarding local referees and local managers in hurling truly depresses me.
Anyway, Mickmack, I feel I have exhausted my contribution to our dialogue. I found it interesting and stimulating. At the very least we raised the profile of the Kerry hurling manager’s appointment.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 8, 2021 18:18:23 GMT
I do not know what the protocol is for selecting the Kerry hurling manager and whether the County Board canvas the players as to their wishes. It is conceivable that the County Board and players are equally starstruck about the superiority of outside managers and referees. More likely , the County Board’s conditioned response at this stage is that outsiders are better. This nihilistic approach regarding local referees and local managers in hurling truly depresses me. Anyway, Mickmack, I feel I have exhausted my contribution to our dialogue. I found it interesting and stimulating. At the very least we raised the profile of the Kerry hurling manager’s appointment. Yeah...i am happy to leave it at that too Veteran. |
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