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Post by Annascaultilidie on Dec 9, 2020 11:51:40 GMT
A bit of craic. What counties would you describe as "dual", and how would you rank them CURRENTLY.
Possible rankings
1. Galway
2. Dublin
3. Tipperary
4. Cork
5. Kerry
6. Clare
7. Meath
8. Laois
9. Westmeath
10. Kildare
11. Down
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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 9, 2020 12:34:51 GMT
Offaly
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Dec 9, 2020 12:48:55 GMT
Offaly are in Christy Ring and near Div4 in football. Not a dual county imo. |
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Post by hurlingman on Dec 9, 2020 13:23:04 GMT
It can be a times hard to figure out what is a dual county. Galway are a prime example. While they're Div 1 in both there are actually very few dual club or players in the county.
Wexford then for example wouldn't come to mind as a dual county, but most clubs play both.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Dec 9, 2020 13:29:57 GMT
It can be a times hard to figure out what is a dual county. Galway are a prime example. While they're Div 1 in both there are actually very few dual club or players in the county. Wexford then for example wouldn't come to mind as a dual county, but most clubs play both. Wexford mid-table in Div4 football. Not a dual county imo. I am taking a definition that says a dual county is a county that plays both IC football and hurling to a high standard at the moment. Another definition might be along what you are suggesting, or counties that have some kind of parity of esteem between hurling and football. |
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Post by dc84 on Dec 9, 2020 14:04:25 GMT
Id go
1. Galway top 5 in both
2. Dublin top 1 in football 9th in hurling
3. Tipp top 3 hurling and top 15 football
Cork top 15 football and 5/6 hurling
4.laois doing about aswell as they can resource wise in both
5. Westmeath as above
6. Kerry top 5 football and 10/11 in hurling tbd this weekend!
7. Clare 7/8 in hurling top half football
Thats about it for me some counties like kildare/Meath i excluded as they arent strong at either code while they are making progress in hurling football they are underachieving.
Ditto for down/antrim down , down should be better at both tbh and same with antrim should be in liam every year.
Counties like wexford and offally have been traditionally, but offally being lower than us in hurling tells its own tales
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Post by john4 on Dec 9, 2020 14:08:15 GMT
I don't think a 50/50 dual County exists. Every county has a bias one way or another, I don't know enough about Galway but if it is a measure that could be applied, I'd say if the footballers and the hurlers reached an all Ireland semi final, there would be an equal amount of Galway supporters at both matches. Cork would also have strong support for both codes, but Cork is primarily a Hurling county. Football is their second game. Every county has a "second" game.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 9, 2020 14:16:02 GMT
Offaly are in Christy Ring and near Div4 in football. Not a dual county imo. Have they not won more AIs in either and/or both codes than some on your list? An interesting objective for the GAA might be too look at how to get as many teams as possible at their better years level, simultaneously. Maybe we should appoint a Minister for it just in case it would happen? Conversations like this really bring it home how sporadic GAA games are and the amateur aspect doesn't help, players can be bought in professional sports. Can you imagine going into a shop looking for a pound of sausages, a loaf of bread, 2 half-backs, a mid-fielder, a centre half forward and 2 corner forwards? That Paul Galvin will do instead of one of the corner forwards and I like that Darragh O'6 mid-fielder - I'll tell ya what - give me 5 of each and 5 Gooches and you might give me tick 'till next week. Well that's how it was in our shop anyway when I was growing up, sold into labour, conscription! |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 9, 2020 14:21:15 GMT
I don't think a 50/50 dual County exists. Every county has a bias one way or another, I don't know enough about Galway but if it is a measure that could be applied, I'd say if the footballers and the hurlers reached an all Ireland semi final, there would be an equal amount of Galway supporters at both matches. Cork would also have strong support for both codes, but Cork is primarily a Hurling county. Football is their second game. Every county has a "second" game. There is a strong correlation between good land and hurling with Kerry, Galway (East is hurling), Cork (East hurling) and indeed Donegal (East again) being goodish dual county examples in this respect - West of those counties a bit rocky for small ball enthusiasts. Kildare would be an exception with not a hurley to be seen and there would be reasons. |
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 9, 2020 14:33:39 GMT
Offaly are in Christy Ring and near Div4 in football. Not a dual county imo. quite a sweeping statement about the only county with an all star in every position in both hurling and football. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Dec 9, 2020 14:36:18 GMT
Offaly are in Christy Ring and near Div4 in football. Not a dual county imo. Have they not won more AIs in either and/or both codes than some on your list? An interesting objective for the GAA might be too look at how to get as many teams as possible at their better years level, simultaneously. Maybe we should appoint a Minister for it just in case it would happen? Conversations like this really bring it home how sporadic GAA games are and the amateur aspect doesn't help, players can be bought in professional sports. Can you imagine going into a shop looking for a pound of sausages, a loaf of bread, 2 half-backs, a mid-fielder, a centre half forward and 2 corner forwards? That Paul Galvin will do instead of one of the corner forwards and I like that Darragh O'6 mid-fielder - I'll tell ya what - give me 5 of each and 5 Gooches and you might give me tick 'till next week. Well that's how it was in our shop anyway when I was growing up, sold into labour, conscription! "CURRENTLY" |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Dec 9, 2020 14:36:51 GMT
Offaly are in Christy Ring and near Div4 in football. Not a dual county imo. quite a sweeping statement about the only county with an all star in every position in both hurling and football. "CURRENTLY" |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Dec 9, 2020 14:37:27 GMT
I don't think a 50/50 dual County exists. Every county has a bias one way or another, I don't know enough about Galway but if it is a measure that could be applied, I'd say if the footballers and the hurlers reached an all Ireland semi final, there would be an equal amount of Galway supporters at both matches. Cork would also have strong support for both codes, but Cork is primarily a Hurling county. Football is their second game. Every county has a "second" game. There is a strong correlation between good land and hurling with Kerry, Galway (East is hurling), Cork (East hurling) and indeed Donegal (East again) being goodish dual county examples in this respect - West of those counties a bit rocky for small ball enthusiasts. Kildare would be an exception with not a hurley to be seen and there would be reasons. Kildare are in Joe McDonagh next year, top 15 in the country. |
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 9, 2020 18:14:37 GMT
quite a sweeping statement about the only county with an all star in every position in both hurling and football. "CURRENTLY" Ooops. Didnt read the exam question properly. Fundamental error. I think Offaly will rise again. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Dec 9, 2020 18:17:04 GMT
Carlow didn't get on my list on account of being Div4...but they might be one of the most "balanced" counties along with Offaly.
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Post by southward on Dec 10, 2020 17:42:26 GMT
A bit of craic. What counties would you describe as "dual", and how would you rank them CURRENTLY. Possible rankings 1. Galway 2. Dublin 3. Tipperary 4. Cork5. Kerry 6. Clare 7. Meath 8. Laois 9. Westmeath 10. Kildare 11. Down Cork - hurling and camogie, is it?  |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Dec 10, 2020 18:15:28 GMT
A bit of craic. What counties would you describe as "dual", and how would you rank them CURRENTLY. Possible rankings 1. Galway 2. Dublin 3. Tipperary 4. Cork5. Kerry 6. Clare 7. Meath 8. Laois 9. Westmeath 10. Kildare 11. Down Cork - hurling and camogie, is it? All jokes aside; Div2 football, Super 8s last year, the unpleasantness. |
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Post by dc84 on Jan 6, 2021 14:09:51 GMT
Cork - hurling and camogie, is it? All jokes aside; Div2 football, Super 8s last year, the unpleasantness. The game hereforeafter to be called the "Unpleasantness" love it ! |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 10, 2021 19:43:07 GMT
Jazus was just thinking of wan Johnny Bunyan and this dual player lark - said Johnathan also soccered, rugbied ... and boxed a biteen too, even had a go at windpipe surgery. Dual players my eye, still I bate him in that game of pool, Ballydonoghoor heroes we are!
BTW Wikipedia has Jonathan on 8 hurling county finals ands 5 big ball - must recheck his bro JJ's book, they had an 'out farm' in Ballyduff where Johnny settled so wondering how many teeth he had up when he first caught a hurley?
Wee bro Roberto also small balled 'at a level.' My abiding memory of said Roberto was his citeoging of the placed ball, from eying him close up he didn't appear to apply almighty pressure but power yes and always got the distance, and score rate would be high - same fella wouldn't miss much, on or off the pitch!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jan 9, 2022 17:46:47 GMT
A bit of craic. What counties would you describe as "dual", and how would you rank them CURRENTLY. Possible rankings 1. Galway 2. Dublin 3. Tipperary 4. Cork 5. Kerry 6. Clare 7. Meath 8. Laois 9. Westmeath 10. Kildare 11. Down Might be one to reconsider today. It depends on the definition of dual county. By the sounds of it Wexford sounds like a place with a lot of dual club players. Offaly are probably back in the mix now. |
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Post by kerryexile5 on Jan 9, 2022 20:19:01 GMT
A bit of craic. What counties would you describe as "dual", and how would you rank them CURRENTLY. Possible rankings 1. Galway 2. Dublin 3. Tipperary 4. Cork 5. Kerry 6. Clare 7. Meath 8. Laois 9. Westmeath 10. Kildare 11. Down Might be one to reconsider today. It depends on the definition of dual county. By the sounds of it Wexford sounds like a place with a lot of dual club players. Offaly are probably back in the mix now. Surely Kerry move up to third place after dispatching of the mighty Tipp hurlers in Tralee yesterday! 😁 |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 9, 2022 20:31:23 GMT
Did Mayo not win sometime or other in hurling last year?
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Post by mossie on Jan 9, 2022 20:48:02 GMT
A bit of craic. What counties would you describe as "dual", and how would you rank them CURRENTLY. Possible rankings 1. Galway 2. Dublin 3. Tipperary 4. Cork 5. Kerry 6. Clare 7. Meath 8. Laois 9. Westmeath 10. Kildare 11. Down Might be one to reconsider today. It depends on the definition of dual county. By the sounds of it Wexford sounds like a place with a lot of dual club players. Offaly are probably back in the mix now. Kerry are as much dual as some on that list Wexford is more dual than some on it, most clubs in wexford play both codes , in that sense Wexford should be well up the list. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jan 9, 2022 21:42:43 GMT
Might be one to reconsider today. It depends on the definition of dual county. By the sounds of it Wexford sounds like a place with a lot of dual club players. Offaly are probably back in the mix now. Kerry are as much dual as some on that list. I did have Kerry in spot 5. |
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Post by kerryexile5 on Jan 9, 2022 22:07:23 GMT
Might be one to reconsider today. It depends on the definition of dual county. By the sounds of it Wexford sounds like a place with a lot of dual club players. Offaly are probably back in the mix now. Kerry are as much dual as some on that list Wexford is more dual than some on it, most clubs in wexford play both codes , in that sense Wexford should be well up the list. I remember reading before there are 49 GAA clubs in Wexford and 46 of them are dual clubs. There is probably a case to be made for Wexford to be top of the dual county list if you are to go by clubs playing both codes. |
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Post by mossie on Jan 9, 2022 22:13:43 GMT
Kerry are as much dual as some on that list Wexford is more dual than some on it, most clubs in wexford play both codes , in that sense Wexford should be well up the list. I remember reading before there are 49 GAA clubs in Wexford and 46 of them are dual clubs. There is probably a case to be made for Wexford to be top of the dual county list if you are to go by clubs playing both codes. a very strong case |
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Post by mossie on Jan 9, 2022 22:16:12 GMT
Kerry are as much dual as some on that list. I did have Kerry in spot 5. I wouldnt to be honest hurling not promoted or played at all in so many clubs, just about tolerated in one or two others |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jan 10, 2022 4:42:19 GMT
I did have Kerry in spot 5. I wouldnt to be honest hurling not promoted or played at all in so many clubs, just about tolerated in one or two others [/quote It depends of course how you define it: I wrote in December 2020 that: "Wexford mid-table in Div4 football. Not a dual county imo. I am taking a definition that says a dual county is a county that plays both IC football and hurling to a high standard at the moment. Another definition might be along what you are suggesting, or counties that have some kind of parity of esteem between hurling and football." |
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