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Post by Mickmack on Nov 14, 2020 16:54:58 GMT
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Tony Kelly turns on the style as Clare ease past Wexford
Kelly’s impressive haul of 1-14 guides Brian Lohan’s side safely into the quarter-finals
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Clare 1-21 Wexford 0-17
Clare and Tony Kelly turned on the style as they fashioned a comfortable seven-point victory over a disappointing Wexford side in their Round 2 Senior Hurling Championship Qualifier at O’Moore Park, Portlaoise.
While much was made of the Davy Fitzgerald/Brian Lohan off-field saga, it was Kelly who proved inspirational, continuing his free-flowing scoring run in this year’s championship, emerging with a personal tally of 1-14. His 55th minute goal was a thing of beauty as he soloed through the centre of the Wexford defence to fire an unstoppable shot to the net, leaving no way back for the opposition.
Wexford trailed by 10 points at the interval and were beaten by seven in the end, but in truth there was never going to be an escape route as they were flat, failing to improve on their provincial semi-final performance in defeat to Galway. Apart from an early first-half effort there was a familiar feeling about their display.
Clare, playing into the wind, opened the scoring through a Kelly pointed fourth minute free, but the Wexford response was positive, with points from Conor McDonald and a Paudi Foley, who assumed the freetaking role in the absence of the injured Lee Chin.
But from the moment Clare hit the front with points from Cathal Malone and a Kelly free, it was the Banner who assumed control, with Kelly showing superb accuracy from placed balls. He also struck two superb points from play from out close to the sideline, as they gradually built their lead.
The game was a rather tempestuous affair through the opening 20 minutes with referee Liam Gordon busy with yellow cards for both sides, but despite this it was Clare who were showing real honesty in their efforts, controlling matters, picking off some excellent scores, while Wexford struggled to build a real attack of note.
After 20 minutes Clare still only held a slender lead of 0-6 to 0-3, but they managed to step up the tempo of their game as Kelly swung over five superb points, two from play, while Colm Guilfoyle and Jason McCarthy also found their range, and they looked comfortable leading 0-13 to 0-3 at the interval.
Clare didn’t give Wexford a goal chance through that opening half as they grew in confidence, continuing their dominance through the opening second half exchanges and adding points through Jason McCarthy and Kelly, this time from play, extending their lead to 0-15 to 0-3.
Wexford responded with four unanswered points through Rory O’Connor, Shaun Murphy and two Paul Morris frees but they badly needed a goal, with keeper Quilligan denying O’Connor with a fine save.
Clare were more powerful across the pitch, and it was Kelly’s superb goal 15 minutes from the end that really ended this game as a contest as they stretched into a 1-17 to 0-9 lead.
Wexford kept on plugging but there was little cohesiveness in their play, which was scrappy and disjointed, and it was only Morris points frees, along with a couple of long range efforts from Murphy and Foley, that gave the scoreboard a little respectability. In the end it was Clare who were in total control, dominating the game throughout the 70 minutes and securing a quarter-final spot.
Clare: E Quilligan; R Hayes, C Cleary, P O’Connor; S O’Halloran, A McCarthy, S Morey; J McCarthy (0-2), D Reidy; D Fitzgerald (0-1), T Kelly (1-14, eight frees, one 65), C Malone (0-1); S O’Donnell, C Guilfoyle (0-1), R Taylor (0-1). Subs: D Ryan (0-1) for Guilfoyle (half-time); P Fitzpatrick for J McCarthy (60 mins).
Wexford: M Fanning; S Donohoe, L Ryan, Joe O’Connor; P Foley (0-3, one free), M O’Hanlon, S Murphy (0-3); D O’Keeffe, Jack O’Connor; L Og McGovern, R O’Connor (0-2), A Nolan; K Foley (0-1), C McDonald (0-1), P Morris (0-6, five frees). Subs: D Reck for Donohoe (37 mins); L Chin for Jack O’Connor (55m); M Dwyer for McGovern (57m); D Dunne (0-1) for Nolan (61m), S Reck for Joe O’Connor (65m).
Referee: L Gordon (Galway).
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 14, 2020 17:47:24 GMT
With the wind at their backs it was set up beautifully for Cork with 10 to go but Tipp upped their game and won by 4 points. Breen at midfield was outstanding and got 5 points. Jason Forde stood up too.
Corks third match on the trot probably a factor but Cork csn have no complaints....this game was there for them and they were not good enough.
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Post by veteran on Nov 14, 2020 20:01:35 GMT
After the ignominy of last year one has to be delighted for that hurling artist, Richie Hogan. He transformed the cats when he came on and seemed to inspire a hitherto subdued TJ Reid. . Even after the two goals I still felt Galway would pull it off. I should know better when you are up against Cody and the cats.
No fear in the case of the cats. Local management please copy.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 14, 2020 20:19:21 GMT
When Galway won the All Ireland in 2017 Callansn in goals was outstanding.
A new lad was there tonight and his inexperience showed. When Galway 4 points up and in control Joe had a lineball and he cut it towards a Galway jersey in the centre. This is fine when you man collects it. The Galway man fluffed it. The ball was swept down and out comes the keeper but crafty Riche gets a flick and the ball is in the net.
Time to slow things down...dont rush the puckout....find a Galway jersey....
But the keeper raffles the ball down field and seconds later TJ is bearing down on the keeper and the net is dancing again.
KK looked beaten for ages. Cody took off Walter Walsh and his captain Fennelly. No sentiment with Cody.
KK and tomorrows winners in pole position now to reach the final as the provincial winnets wont be in action next weekend. The QF are next weekend between Clare Tipp Galway and tomorrows losers.
The semis are on the following weekend so tiredness will be a factor for the two teams coming through the back door.
You can only admire KK.
Joe has to get a mention...outstanding again but unlucky that 2 shots came off the post.
Great game.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 14, 2020 23:05:33 GMT
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Richie Hogan brings the magic as Kilkenny steal the year’s first epic
Malachy Clerkin at Croke Park
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Kilkenny 2-20 Galway 0-24
In all things, there must be a little room made for genius. Richie Hogan ended 2019 walking from the pitch in Croke Park, bitterly shaking his head after being sent off in the All-Ireland final. Anyone imagining that was him done got their answer here. And with it, a reminder that the game is still about magic.
Hogan came on 10 minutes after half-time, right in the middle of a spell where Galway looked like they were about to stretch their legs and leave Kilkenny for dust. He took a little while to get into the game but when it happened, you couldn’t take your eyes off him. He finished with 1-2 against his name, set up a nailed-on goal chance for Martin Keoghan and generally skipped around making the Galway defence look like they were trying to mow the front lawn with a threshing machine.
His goal was the kind of thing a dad does to his young lad, to remind them both that he was handy once upon a time. Hogan was second favourite to get to a loose ball in the Kilkenny full-forward line but he manged to flick it up one side of Galway goalie Éanna Ryan, run the other side of him to collect, flick it up for himself and then scoop it backwards over his shoulder into the empty net.
Never has an empty stadium felt less appropriate. We hadn’t begun to find a formulation of words to describe it to those who weren’t lucky enough to be here for it when Kilkenny had a second green flag. TJ Reid was left one-on-one at the top of the D and his sidestep and ping into the top corner would have had us raving for days if we weren’t still thinking of what Richie did.
The hurling championship had been missing an epic. It isn’t missing one any longer. Those two goals flipped this Leinster final on its head and threw the championship to the winds. Galway had been dutifully inching towards a Leinster title and then, sudden as a thunderclap, they were behind for the first time in the match. They never went ahead again.
For the first three quarters, Galway were generally the more fluent side and the stronger side. But they couldn’t shake Kilkenny off. Mostly, this was down to them giving Reid the sort of free-taking session he would award himself if he wanted to take it handy some night in Nowlan Park. He had eight frees on the scoreboard before half-time, none of them from a particularly difficult distance or angle.
Reid hadn’t been overly involved in open play at that stage and both Walter Walsh and Colin Fennelly had been kept under wraps by the Galway defence. Beyond those frees, then, it was the lesser Kilkenny lights that were keeping them in it. Eoin Cody swished a point and set up another, both times winning his own ball under pressure as Kilkenny cleared their lines. Martin Keoghan popped up off his shoulder for one, John Donnelly threw into the pot as well. Every bit of it was needed.
It meant that instead of taking what should have been a three- or four-point lead in at the break, Galway were only 0-13 to 0-12 up. They put the pedal to the metal in the third quarter alright, with Joe Canning opening his shoulders and Jason Flynn causing trouble off the bench. The usual Canning sideline put them two ahead on 48 minutes and after Flynn drew a save from Eoin Murphy soon after, a Canning 65 stretched it to three. By the time Brian Concannon swished his only score of the might on 54 minutes, Galway were five up and deservedly so.
Enter Richie. He had already sent Keoghan in for a goal chance with a gorgeous handpass and set Liam Blanchfield up for a point. But Kilkenny weren’t going to get back into this with the odd point here and the occasional set-up there. They needed goals. They got two in a minute.
Galway were shellshocked. David Burke came off the bench to nail two badly-needed points from midfield but they were listing elsewhere. Hogan stole in behind to nick another point with four minutes left - the goal was on but he narrowly cleared the crossbar. It felt right and true that the last score was his, a swirling, towering effort from out on the left.
He punched the air before the ball got within 20 yards of the posts. Redemption will take a little more than this. But it was a privilege to watch him put down such a memorable deposit.
Galway: Éanna Murphy; Seán Loftus, Daithí Burke, Shane Cooney; Fintan Burke, Gearóid McInerney, Joseph Cooney (0-1); Pádraic Mannion, Johnny Coen (0-2); Conor Cooney, Cathal Mannion (0-1), Joe Canning (0-14, 0-9 frees, 0-1 sideline, 0-1 65); Conor Whelan (0-2), Niall Burke, Brian Concannon (0-1). Subs: Aidan Harte for Loftus, half-time; Jason Flynn (0-1) for N Burke, 40 mins; David Burke (0-2) for C Cooney, 59 mins; Adrian Tuohey for Coen, 70 mins; Sean Linanne for S Cooney, 70 mins
Kilkenny: Eoin Murphy; Conor Delaney; Huw Lawlor, Tommy Walsh; Cillian Buckley, Pádraig Walsh (0-1), Conor Fogarty; Richie Leahy, Conor Browne (0-2); John Donnelly (0-1), Martin Keoghan (0-2), Walter Walsh; TJ Reid (1-9, 0-8 frees), Eoin Cody (0-1), Colin Fennelly. Subs: Joey Holden for Buckley (blood), 43-47 mins; Richie Hogan (1-2) for Walsh, 45 mins; Liam Blanchfield (0-1) for Fennelly, 52 mins; Richie Reid for Fogarty, 56 mins; Niall Brassil for Cody, 61 mins; Alan Murphy for Leahy, 62 mins
Referee: Fergal Horgan
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 15, 2020 16:56:28 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 15, 2020 17:48:35 GMT
Huge effort by Waterford but Limerick were able to get scores a bit easier and their subs were better.
Limerick taking the p1ss with the big white board for tactics during the water break.
No goal attempt today. Hurling has changed so much.
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Post by veteran on Nov 15, 2020 19:35:13 GMT
Strangely tame affair in Thurles today. It was a brave effort by Waterford but Limerick seemed to be in control all through . I get the impression this Waterford side are playing above themselves which always reflects well on the manager. They have discovered a top man in Dinny Cahill. He appears to be getting far more out of the players available to him than Kieran Kingston who I suspect has a richer pick.
What has happened Austin Gleason?
I wonder Is this the first Munster final when neither goalie had to make a meaningful save.
I know the “hurling man myself” , in their fantasy land free of original sin, feels there is no need for a black card but I wonder what they make of all these rucks? From where did these rucks evolve ? I suppose these Is no need to eliminate or at least minimise them.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Nov 15, 2020 20:21:41 GMT
What is the technical/common name for a hurler hitting the sliotar in-flight, i.e. without handling it? Do I recall DJ finding the net of a day in that fashion? |
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 15, 2020 20:38:06 GMT
Austin Gleeson should be put bck CHB or midfield. Trying to make fullforward out of him is not working. No more than it did with Liam Rushe.
Liam Cahill expect to get the Tipp job aftet the under age success at u20.
Noel Connors and Maurice Shanahxn were dispensed with by him. Reasons unclear.
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Noel Connors at the launch of the Electric Ireland GAA Minor Championships
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'He just asked me if I was going to retire and I kind of said ‘no, why would I?’
Three-time All-Star winner Noel Connors is getting set to look on as Waterford prepare for the 2020 championship.
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NOEL CONNORS DOES not feel he will close the door on his Waterford hurling career as he gets set to watch on from the outside for the 2020 championship campaign in the aftermath of being left out of new manager Liam Cahill’s squad.
A three-time All-Star winning defender, the experienced figure was a high-profile omission twelve months ago when Cahill took charge.
For the first time in over a decade Connors was not involved as a Waterford senior side began their league campaign earlier this year.
But with the season interrupted by Covid-19, it is only now Connors is being forced into a new role for the championship with Waterford getting ready to play Cork in a Munster semi-final on 31 October.
He admits it was ‘a shock’ at the time when Cahill informed him of his plans during a phone conversation. But the 2010 Munster senior winner has accepted the decision while still feeling it would be difficult to turn down an opportunity to line out for his county in the future.
“I don’t know would I ever close the door. I think if you ask any player who has played for Waterford or any county team in the past, if they were asked would they play with their county again, I don’t think too many would say no.
“You grow up wanting to play for your county and it’s obviously been a dream and I don’t think any fella would turn their back on their county.
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“It was a shock. I was the captain in 2019 and that, but look, that was Liam’s decision. Look to be honest, it was just something that completely hit me by surprise, it wasn’t something that I was expecting obviously.
“I don’t know Liam, I’ve never met him before, it was the only conversation I’ve ever had with him. I was just after coming back from a camogie match at about 8, my little cousin was playing club camogie county final and I came back and the phone was ringing.
“Generally I don’t like answering the phone in the night time but it was Liam, just a brief conversation. He just asked me if I was going to retire and I kind of said ‘no, why would I?’ Obviously, like, I’ve been playing for 11 years. I’ve missed two matches in 11 years, one through injury against Laois when Derek started and one against Cork last year when we didn’t have much to play for and it was a complete change of the 15 and that was it really.
“I would have got a couple of texts off the lads do you know, wondering was it true and that but look it is what it is.”
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Waterford hurling manager Liam Cahill
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Connors has found that he has had plenty off the pitch to keep him occupied as he adjusted to a change in his playing status.
“It’s funny. I was actually talking to one of the lads yesterday who would have played with Waterford for a good few years, Stephen Roche.
“Stephen is a teacher in St Paul’s up the road, and I’m obviously in WIT lecturing. We’re actually busier now than we were when we were playing, because when you know when you’re playing, you are solely focused on playing and making sure that you’re going through your process and your routine.
“Now you’re focusing on your career, you’re looking at research in my instance, I’m getting married next year, I’ve an 18-month child at home. So your perspective completely changes. I find myself busier than I was when I was with Waterford, which is strange enough.”
A club campaign with Passage was his primary hurling focus of late and he agrees his personal transition was eased somewhat by the absence of a summer championship.
“It’s been like a strange year in many ways. It’s great, we were lucky enough to have a club championship and it was great to kind of go back and fully commit to it. When it (the championship) doesn’t happen it’s very hard to kind of comment on but maybe it was (easier).
“Most people were more concerned with health and the wellness of people around them, their family and close friends. I suppose sport was very much at the back of peoples’ minds. But I’d imagine it probably would have been a very different and difficult situation to watch summer hurling and not be involved in some capacity.”
Passage made good strides in the Waterford senior championship to contest the final but they then became the latest team swept away by the county’s dominant force in Ballygunner.
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Noel Connors in action for Passage in the Waterford senior final against Ballygunner.
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“To be honest and without sounding too much of a conformist in all of this, most people were content enough just to play club championship. We were happy enough, to get back, do a bit of training obviously together. The final certainly didn’t go the way we wanted it to go, but look we were competing against a team that has as close to an inter-county set-up as you’d get at club level.
“They are like a superclub within a small rural county. We are all in the chasing pack. If you take Ballygunner out of Waterford – which we would all like to do at some stage – you’d have a really interesting championship between the likes of ourselves, De La Salle, Mount Sion, Roanmore, Lismore, a lot of teams in the chasing pack that are of a very similar level, they are just a couple of gears ahead of us.”
Connors is not the only recent Waterford departure with Maurice Shanahan another omitted when Tipperary native Cahill took charge while Brick Walsh, Philip Mahony and Brian O’Halloran are other retirements over the last year.
The 30-year-old still feels Waterford have a strong core in their current team with the return to the knockout format a potential help in their preparation.
“There’s still a very strong team that would have came from Derek. Obviously you’ve SOK (Stephen O’Keeffe), the likes of Darragh Fives, you have the two Bennetts, you have Tadhg, you have Kevin, you’ve Jamie Barron, you’ve Conor Gleeson. You still have all those lads that are involved that would have played a massive role in Waterford getting to the All-Ireland final back in 2017. There’s still a lot of players there that have a huge amount of experience. Pauric Mahony, Shane Fives, all these lads, that have been probably there for eight, nine, ten years maybe.
“The narrative out there is that you have to win your home games and with that it brings a lot of pressure whereas you’re preparing say for one match, you can focus all your energy and attention towards that. So it’s very much like traditional hurling, when I started it was very much about trying to win your matches to get to a Munster final and if you didn’t you got a backdoor system. It’s very much focused on one specific match and you put all your energy getting into a position where you can try and win that match.”
* Noel Connors was speaking at the launch of the Electric Ireland GAA minor championships, where he will be a judge for the hurling panel this year.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 15, 2020 20:48:11 GMT
I know the “hurling man myself” , in their fantasy land free of original sin, feels there is no need for a black card but I wonder what they make of all these rucks? From where did these rucks evolve ? I suppose these Is no need to eliminate or at least minimise them. the "hurling man myself" would point to the black card that the Mayo number 7 took today for Mayo. I'd say he was being feted in the dressingroom. A perfect example of the black card being useless in the circumstances. The sooner they bring in a penalty for cynical fouls like that the better. There was a clear cut example last night too between KK and Galway. |
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Post by clarinman on Nov 15, 2020 21:34:53 GMT
I know the “hurling man myself” , in their fantasy land free of original sin, feels there is no need for a black card but I wonder what they make of all these rucks? From where did these rucks evolve ? I suppose these Is no need to eliminate or at least minimise them. the "hurling man myself" would point to the black card that the Mayo number 7 took today for Mayo. I'd say he was being feted in the dressingroom. A perfect example of the black card being useless in the circumstances. The sooner they bring in a penalty for cynical fouls like that the better. There was a clear cut example last night too between KK and Galway. I would prefer to look at the player sanction rather than giving a penalty. Mayo's Mcloughlin today with a black card and the Kilkenny player last evening with a yellow are both free to play in the next round. A red card and the subsequent match penalty might be a better way to deal with this cynicism. |
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Post by veteran on Nov 15, 2020 22:48:50 GMT
In certain circumstances every card is useless. I imagine if the game ended in a draw , remember only one point was the difference, and Mayo had to play extra time with fourteen players, the transgressor would not have been feted to any degree. You have chosen a poor example to criticise the black card, As a result of two black cards last Sunday , Kerry played for twenty minutes with fourteen men. I wonder was that a help to Cork?
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 16, 2020 8:52:20 GMT
Whe the KK back held the Galway forwards hurley it was to stop a clear shot at a goal. When the Mayo number 7 came sliding in it was to stop a clear shot at goal.
The perfect sanction would be a shot at goal with only the goalie to beat. It should apply in both codes
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 16, 2020 9:40:43 GMT
Galway v Tipp
Clare V Waterford
KK cant meet Galway in the semi if Galway beat Tipp
Limerick cant meet Waterford in semi final if they beat Clare
If Clare and Tipp both win...then a draw will take place for semi final pairings
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 19, 2020 14:16:15 GMT
Tipp v Galway is such an treat to look forward to.
Tipp want to retain it but so far they look off the pace and their amazing skill set is best suited to good weather. A few strong performances by 3 or 4 was enough v Cork.
Galway never got going last year when Joe was injured. KK did a bit of an ambush on them last weekend and ruthlessly closed out the game, as only they can, once they got ahead.
Galway look the better bet to me. If we get a repeat of 2017 it will be great.
Waterford should have too much for Clare
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 21, 2020 18:48:15 GMT
Liam Sheedy: 'it should have been a Leinster referee'
SAT, 21 NOV, 2020 - 15:56
JOHN FOGARTY
Defeated Tipperary manager Liam Sheedy congratulated Galway on their victory but insisted Limerick man Johnny Murphy should not have been appointed to the game.
With Limerick awaiting the winners of today’s All-Ireland quarter-finals and as it turns out they will face Galway in tomorrow week’s semi-final, Sheedy felt the Ballylanders native should not have been put in such a position.
Sheedy, who raised questions about the lead-up to Aidan Harte’s late goal for Galway as well as the first yellow card issued to Cathal Barrett before he was sent off in the 53rd minute, believed the referee should have been a Leinster one.
“There are loads of referees from various different counties and I just think there was no need to have the situation we had today," he said. "It should have been a Leinster referee in my view but I have no complaints.
"Ultimately, the best team with the most scores at the end of the match won but a small bit of common sense in the approach to appointments, like there are loads of referees from Leinster and everywhere else.
“It’s not sour grapes in any shape or form and I do not want to take away from Galway but I do think a little bit of understanding and not trying to compromise people and put them in positions where various counties are still left in the championship it just makes things a little bit trickier. I want to be very clear - the best team won on the day, Galway deserved to win through to the All-Ireland semi-final.
“I have no complaints but unfortunately as it turned out the first card was ultimately a big moment because as a result of the second we were down a man and against a team like Galway you’re going to pay a heavy price.”
As well as highlighting a wild pull by a Galway player that went unpunished in the first half, Sheedy felt Paddy Cadell was fouled just prior to Harte’s goal. “The Galway goal, Paddy Cadell was coming out with it and I thought it was maybe a frontal challenge. That ball was turned over and they worked it over to the far side and Aidan Harte’s was a top class finish. The third goal ultimately was the difference in the match. We would be a little bit disappointed we only got 11 points in the second half.”
Rueing the lack of a goal opportunity in the second half, Sheedy still commended his players for bowing out “like champions”. He said: “Considering a two-point loss against a stiff breeze 20 minutes down a man, you could have been looking at a much greater gap.” Sheedy has another year of his current term remaining but said it is not a matter to consider now but in the coming weeks. “We’ll take every day by the day. It’s certainly not on the agenda today.”
Regarding rumours that John O’Dwyer left the panel earlier this week, Sheedy did not confirm or deny a departure. “John has had a significant injury that he is trying to get back from. He’s a great player, a great loss but he should be through that injury. He really hasn’t played much. There is load of scope to John O’Dwyer in terms of his future. Unfortunately, the reality is there are guys who make the 26 and there are guys who don’t make the 26 but John has struggled with injury. Hopefully he’ll get himself right over the next two or three months and be back doing what he does best.”
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Post by onlykerry on Nov 21, 2020 21:23:48 GMT
Not sure how much of a difference it would make but I agree 100% with his sentiment about refs - a referee should should be neutral and should never have the cloud hanging over him that his county has an interest in any way in the outcome of a game he is calling. Close games in particular will always have debateable calls - the ref should always be clear of any interest in the game.
Also any suggestions that Hurling does not suffer for cynical fouling is well and truly gone - two weekends in a row saw players cynically hauled down as they move on goal late in a close game. Yellow cards on both occasions with the offending teams ultimately winning close games.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 21, 2020 21:34:34 GMT
Yellow cards on both occasions with the offending teams ultimately winning close games. Would you favour a penalty shot over a black card |
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Post by veteran on Nov 21, 2020 22:20:17 GMT
Not sure how much of a difference it would make but I agree 100% with his sentiment about refs - a referee should should be neutral and should never have the cloud hanging over him that his county has an interest in any way in the outcome of a game he is calling. Close games in particular will always have debateable calls - the ref should always be clear of any interest in the game. Also any suggestions that Hurling does not suffer for cynical fouling is well and truly gone - two weekends in a row saw players cynically hauled down as they move on goal late in a close game. Yellow cards on both occasions with the offending teams ultimately winning close games. Like you , I agree with Liam Sheedy’s comments. Incidentally, the Kerry/Cork game was refereed by a Tipperary man. Privately, with Tipp meeting the winners, I wonder which team he was hoping would prevail? I haven’t had the stomach to look back at the game therefore at this remove I am not in a position to say if he influenced the outcome, management and the team were best placed to influence the the result. . Nevertheless, he should not have been put in that position. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 23:06:44 GMT
If the GAA and the media deem it appropriate that someone can ref a game including the county they live and work in not to mention the referee playing a role in the local gaa community, I cannot see them doing anything about the issue that Sheedy has.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 21, 2020 23:41:38 GMT
If the GAA and the media deem it appropriate that someone can ref a game including the county they live and work in not to mention the referee playing a role in the local gaa community, I cannot see them doing anything about the issue that Sheedy has. My sentiments exactly |
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Post by onlykerry on Nov 22, 2020 15:46:00 GMT
Yellow cards on both occasions with the offending teams ultimately winning close games. Would you favour a penalty shot over a black card I generally favour keeping rules simple and this is probably an exception - a black card should apply when there is at least 10 minutes left in a game. When there is less than 10 minutes of normal time remaining it should be a penalty. The black card is of no practical use and is not a deterrent in the final minutes of a game. |
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Post by clarinman on Nov 22, 2020 18:34:47 GMT
Would you favour a penalty shot over a black card I generally favour keeping rules simple and this is probably an exception - a black card should apply when there is at least 10 minutes left in a game. When there is less than 10 minutes of normal time remaining it should be a penalty. The black card is of no practical use and is not a deterrent in the final minutes of a game. But can you give a penalty when the offence is in the other half of the field. Unfortunately it has to be one rule for the same offence. It's a difficult one to solve. |
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 22, 2020 18:49:40 GMT
I generally favour keeping rules simple and this is probably an exception - a black card should apply when there is at least 10 minutes left in a game. When there is less than 10 minutes of normal time remaining it should be a penalty. The black card is of no practical use and is not a deterrent in the final minutes of a game. But can you give a penalty when the offence is in the other half of the field. Unfortunately it has to be one rule for the same offence. It's a difficult one to solve. We are not talking about offences in the other half of the field. We are talking about clear last gasp fouls when a clear goal opportunity is on. We all recognise these instances. So do refs. |
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Post by clarinman on Nov 22, 2020 19:48:54 GMT
But can you give a penalty when the offence is in the other half of the field. Unfortunately it has to be one rule for the same offence. It's a difficult one to solve. We are not talking about offences in the other half of the field. We are talking about clear last gasp fouls when a clear goal opportunity is on. We all recognise these instances. So do refs. But you can't be sure of that and that's where this all falls down. For instance the rugby tackle on calinan yesterday was not a clear goal offence as 2 Galway defenders were covering. But it was cynical and deserved more than a yellow. A pull down in the middle of the field can result in a denied goal chances if there is a forward overload. I think you need a consistent rule in every part of the field for cynical fouling. The general consensus yesterday was that it was a great game of hurling. Galway scored 23 points. 12 were from frees one from a sideline. We can continue on with this myth about what a beautiful game it is or we can tackle the continual fouling that is ruuning what was once a beautiful game. |
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 23, 2020 14:21:53 GMT
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Nicky English: Galway and Waterford face battles with fatigue in All-Ireland semis
Galway as underdogs give them edge against Limerick, while Waterford will test Kilkenny
Nicky English
Updated: about 7 hours ago
An extraordinary weekend for Gaelic games in Tipperary started disappointingly with the loss of the All-Ireland crown on Saturday. It was the best performance of the championship from Liam Sheedy’s team but probably fatally affected by Cathal Barrett’s red card in the final quarter.
The All-Ireland quarter-finals provided two really good games and in the first, Tipp recovered from a poor start, took control and largely kept it until the end. I actually thought they’d hold on even with 14, as they grabbed points to stay one and two points ahead.
You have to give credit to Galway, though. Despite my preview reservations about their goal-scoring capacity, they got three and that was a box they needed to tick.
The vital goal came from an unlikely source because Aidan Harte’s accuracy hadn’t been great for most of the afternoon. Significantly, it showed Galway’s ability to exploit the space created by Barrett’s sending off, which they also used when pucking out: draw the play one way and transfer to the other wing.
As usual there was nothing between the teams – two points this time rather than the usual one – and Galway will be delighted to have survived the challenge. They’ll get back to Croke Park for an All-Ireland semi-final where everyone imagined they’d be at the start of the championship.
Different challenge
Playing Limerick will be a very different challenge, if we draw a form line through Tipperary, who were pasted by Limerick in Páirc Uí Chaoimh. It would be stretching it to say that Tipp were much improved on that display even if they were clearly better.
There’s something about Galway that I don’t fully understand. There’s a Jekyll and Hyde quality about their performances even during the same game. When their game is flowing, it flows but whereas at stages they can look really good and purposeful, they’re then quite capable of lapsing into a series of errors.
Having made a great start on Saturday – Daithí Burke bursting out from the back, Joe Canning orchestrating the attack and Brian Concannon and Conor Whelan buzzing up front – they started to fumble and lose possession and let Tipperary back into the game.
You have to recognise the bottom line for them, though. I said on Saturday that they had convincing to do after the nature of the Kilkenny defeat in the Leinster final. They survived an improved performance by Tipp and saw it out and that deserves recognition but are they in the same bracket as Limerick?
Not yet.
I do believe it’s possible that the Harte goal could prove liberating for them. They’ve started to score goals, which was an issue against Kilkenny and even Wexford. They’ll be underdogs against Limerick and that could suit them as well.
The second quarter-final was another quality match. Clare, in fairness, fought incredibly hard even though their injury jinx struck again with Tony Kelly affected after five minutes. When you think of all the planning that would have gone into coping with him and how everyone would have felt if told beforehand that Kelly wouldn’t be able to play, his team-mates showed great resilience.
Aron Shanagher took up some of Tony Kelly’s burden and was a handful up front when pegging back Waterford’s good start with a couple of goals.
Throw in that they were on their third match in successive weeks, which left them looking tired at times, and Brian Lohan can be proud of the team. They never gave up.
Really impressive
I’ve been to every championship match, featuring teams playing for the third weekend and all showed signs of fatigue: Dublin against Cork, Cork-Tipp and on Saturday, Clare-Waterford.
That’s going to be the challenge for Galway and Waterford next weekend but the latter were really impressive against Clare, just six days after losing the Munster final.
Both teams thrived in Páirc Uí Chaoimh on the good surface and the weather helped, which shows that hurling is essentially a summer game because the play and scores were outstanding.
Waterford ultimately reasserted control with their extraordinary work rate, especially in the middle third, as well as the quality of their finishing by the outstanding Dessie Hutchinson. I’ve been expecting him to settle at this level for a while and how he delivered.
His two goals were well taken, beautifully finished and he showed unbelievable vision for the third goal for Jack Fagan and the chance for Neil Montgomery.
Yet one of the highlights for me was how well Clare’s Rory Hayes recovered from his nightmare start. Most corner backs would have gone home after that but he kept at it, which typified the team. They gave everything they had in contributing to a great game.
Most of all, I was hugely impressed by Waterford. They’ve an excellent defence. Tadhg de Búrca wasn’t as prominent this time but did nothing wrong whereas Calum Lyons and Conor Prunty were top class.
Stephen Bennett symbolised the desire for goals up front, taking the game to Clare from the start and at midfield Jamie Barron is back to the form that got him nominated for Hurler of the Year in 2017.
They were so good that you’d have to re-appraise the Munster final. We assumed that Limerick had wobbled a bit because of the struggle to subdue Waterford. Now, it actually reflects well on them.
I’m aware of the third week syndrome but really believe that Kilkenny have a battle on their hands next week.
Finally, I’ve experienced nearly everything in my hurling career but watching the scenes in Cork yesterday was the first time I’ve cried after a match.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 24, 2020 13:02:14 GMT
Eddie Brennan has stepped down as Laois manager.
Eddie cut the arsse off the Laois county board off the record at the end of a podcast with Parkinson. The full podcast went out. It was edited subsequently.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 24, 2020 14:53:23 GMT
Eddie Brennan has stepped down as Laois manager. Eddie cut the arsse off the Laois county board off the record at the end of a podcast with Parkinson. The full podcast went out. It was edited subsequently. And he came off very well in the unedited part. |
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 24, 2020 15:24:02 GMT
Eddie Brennan has stepped down as Laois manager. Eddie cut the arsse off the Laois county board off the record at the end of a podcast with Parkinson. The full podcast went out. It was edited subsequently. And he came off very well in the unedited part. It was rivetting |
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