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Post by john4 on Feb 1, 2020 23:21:51 GMT
I'm probably being very cynical here but I'm beginning to think that we're trying to create "do or die" scenarios at the end of matches in an attempt to have our guys able to manage them effectively when they arise in more important matches in future. We should have won that game tonight by much more.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 1, 2020 23:56:48 GMT
Snatched victory from jaws of defeat sums it up and it would be good to hear what we are learning here, say in terms of individuals progressing, e.g. how is Jason Foley faring?
The last time I saw Galway in the flesh was vs Donegal in Letterkenny and they were brutally potent, looks like Paraic has built on that. Tribes vs Garda county is now nicely set up and will be sharpened even more if heads are on the block.
At least we now have two competitive provincial championships, The North and West.
Some say Dublin were better vs Mayo but apart from coming on a bit for last weekends game, maybe it was more that they were allowed to be better - we wouldn't have given them such freedom. Ah here I am agreeing with Joe Brolly, though I also picked up on his contention that Dublin purposefully don't play at full tilt until the second half. There is evidence from last year that this could be the case and I'd look forward to what out tactics experts on here would have to say. i.e. that we have a team that hold off, e.g. could it be to shock the opponent? John4 in previous comment even thinks we may be doing this!
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Post by southward on Feb 1, 2020 23:57:53 GMT
I'm probably being very cynical here but I'm beginning to think that we're trying to create "do or die" scenarios at the end of matches in an attempt to have our guys able to manage them effectively when they arise in more important matches in future. We should have won that game tonight by much more. That's a bit of a stretch, in fairness. We were a bit shaky at the back tonight but Galway were very good and really up for it. You can see they're enjoying playing under Joyce after the misery of the Kevin Walsh era. Shane Walsh was outstanding for them tonight; Kerry couldn't cope with him at all. If I was a Galway supporter, I'd be very pleased with that performance but gutted by the result; they deserved a draw at least. Thought Burns showed very well tonight; did himself no harm at all. JOD was really, really good in that first half. Mush just doesn't look tuned in at all, or particularly fit either. Jason was good. Great evening all round - a proper game of football with some fabulous scores in front of a great crowd. Even the weather turned out kind; perfect conditions for it in the end.
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Post by piggott on Feb 2, 2020 0:03:25 GMT
Better snatching victory from Jaws of defeat than conceding victory to Jaws of victory. We are beginning to learn how to win tight games. Onwards to Omagh.
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Post by southward on Feb 2, 2020 0:05:13 GMT
Better snatching victory from Jaws of defeat than conceding victory to Jaws of victory. We are beginning to learn how to win tight games. Onwards to Omagh. Indeed!
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 2, 2020 0:06:30 GMT
I'm probably being very cynical here but I'm beginning to think that we're trying to create "do or die" scenarios at the end of matches in an attempt to have our guys able to manage them effectively when they arise in more important matches in future. We should have won that game tonight by much more. That's a bit of a stretch, in fairness. We were a bit shaky at the back tonight but Galway were very good and really up for it. You can see they're enjoying playing under Joyce after the misery of the Kevin Walsh era. Shane Walsh was outstanding for them tonight; Kerry couldn't cope with him at all. If I was a Galway supporter, I'd be very pleased with that performance but gutted by the result; they deserved a draw at least. Thought Burns showed very well tonight; did himself no harm at all. JOD was really, really good in that first half. Mush just doesn't look tuned in at all, or particularly fit either. Jason was good. Great evening all round - a proper game of football with some fabulous scores in front of a great crowd. Even the weather turned out kind; perfect conditions for it in the end. Who is Mush, who was marking Walsh? Just because Walsh played well doesn't necessarily mean his marker was poor as Walsh is a star.
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Post by john4 on Feb 2, 2020 0:14:35 GMT
Better snatching victory from Jaws of defeat than conceding victory to Jaws of victory. We are beginning to learn how to win tight games. Onwards to Omagh. Psychologically to win a tight game does massive things for a group in the dressing room afterwards. Winning well or losing by a lot or a little doesn't come anywhere near stealing a win at the death. Tonight was a very valuable experience for our lads, and if it's a manufactured scenario that's fine, and if it's not that's grand too. End result is good.
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Post by john4 on Feb 2, 2020 0:20:07 GMT
I'm probably being very cynical here but I'm beginning to think that we're trying to create "do or die" scenarios at the end of matches in an attempt to have our guys able to manage them effectively when they arise in more important matches in future. We should have won that game tonight by much more. That's a bit of a stretch, in fairness. We were a bit shaky at the back tonight but Galway were very good and really up for it. You can see they're enjoying playing under Joyce after the misery of the Kevin Walsh era. Shane Walsh was outstanding for them tonight; Kerry couldn't cope with him at all. If I was a Galway supporter, I'd be very pleased with that performance but gutted by the result; they deserved a draw at least. Thought Burns showed very well tonight; did himself no harm at all. JOD was really, really good in that first half. Mush just doesn't look tuned in at all, or particularly fit either. Jason was good. Great evening all round - a proper game of football with some fabulous scores in front of a great crowd. Even the weather turned out kind; perfect conditions for it in the end. it is a stretch, I know, but let's not forget that we're dealing with a guy who named Tadhg Morley at full back 23hrs before throw in tonight. Rule nothing out!
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Post by ciar45 on Feb 2, 2020 10:10:27 GMT
I don’t mean to have a go with management at this early stage but there are two issues I think have merit. 1- why was Crowley not switched from Shane Walsh it was evident in the first half he was under serious pressure, i understand he was marking one of the best in the country but when a member of your backline is getting beat isn’t it the first action to make a switch , Graham o Sullivan was having a fine game his confidence was up man taken of why not give him the chance?? 2 taking James o donoghue of for the second week in a row when he was playing well, I thought we lost structure to our forward line when he went tommy was winning ball but his runs were straight out and not really winning ball in dangerous positions. Maybe James was injured but found it very strange he had his man on the backfooot!! Good win all the same! Showed great bottle and attitude
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Post by Deise Exile on Feb 2, 2020 10:24:53 GMT
I'm probably being very cynical here but I'm beginning to think that we're trying to create "do or die" scenarios at the end of matches in an attempt to have our guys able to manage them effectively when they arise in more important matches in future. We should have won that game tonight by much more. Sorry now but that's a ridiculous suggestion
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 2, 2020 11:22:22 GMT
Brolly effectively did a takeover as anchor in Castlebar and not surprisingly he did ok, I always thought he he'd be a better moderator than punter.
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Post by fivenarow on Feb 2, 2020 11:33:20 GMT
I'm probably being very cynical here but I'm beginning to think that we're trying to create "do or die" scenarios at the end of matches in an attempt to have our guys able to manage them effectively when they arise in more important matches in future. We should have won that game tonight by much more. Sorry now but that's a ridiculous suggestion X2, were you even at the game ?
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Post by veteran on Feb 2, 2020 12:58:23 GMT
With people swinging off the rafters on a beautiful evening , one could not have visited a more idyllic setting than Austin Stack Park on what I am sure was a bleak, miserable evening elsewhere around the country. The footballers from both counties completed the circle by producing some passages of marvellous football. All these factors combined to give sustenance to the soul while at the same time providing turbulence for the heart, particularly Kerry's rising from the dead at the death.
Kerry lined without Tadgh Morley and Sean O'Shea with Graham O'Sullivan and Michael Burns deputising. Gavin Crowley was switched to full back with Shane Enright at CHB. No obvious logic in that switch, yet management foolishly persisted with that move for the first half when it clearly was not working. On the other hand, while Michael Burns is unlikely to be a CHF, he worked himself to exhaustion before being substituted in the second half , kicking two points into the bargain.
In that opening half two things manifested itself fairly quickly. If sufficient direct ball was furnished for our inside line havoc would ensue, on the other hand, at the other end our back line was loose and jittery. Is there anything new in those two observations. As the game progressed our ball in became slower and less direct and our back line seemed to be under pressure every time the ball was in their area. It came as no surprise then that all Kerry's work upfront was upscuttled by a Galway goal. The only surprise was that Galway did not add on a couple of more goals. The fact that they did not was due only to bad luck and a couple of key interventions by Shane Ryan. They also had a few bad wides for points efforts. We were doing ok at midfield. Liam Kearney continued his good Dublin effort before tiring while Jack Barry , without excelling, was consistent all through. We led by two at half time. Viscerally one felt we could have been ahead by more but considering those missed Galway goal chances it could have been advantage Galway.
JO'D , who bounced all through that half, did not come out for the second half. Surely this unluckiest of men did not sustain another injury. Tommy Walsh replaced him. In fairness to this man, he made his contribution. Kicked a bad wide, kicked an unlikely glorious point when all the experts , with me as their cheerleader , shouted for God sake give it to David or PG. He set up the winning point for Killian and may have had a hand in the goal, not sure.
It was noticeable in this game, as it was in the Dublin game, as it is too often, that we always seem to be under more pressure in getting our kicks out to safety than the opposition. This is not always Shane's fault but sometimes it is. I usually come away with the impression that we do not practise that aspect of our play but surely I am wrong there. I wish our game displayed evidence of that practice, if it is the case. In any case , we were edging it until Shane Walsh, as good a forward as there is out there, scored a wonderful goal. He followed up with a point to match it in quality. It meant that entering the home straight we were a goal down. To the credit of the lads they dug in and fought like ferrets for every ball, with the crowd's support feverish at this stage. While they were gutsy during that period a little panic set in up front. There was a minute or two of ordinary time left with the "mandatory" extra five or so. It meant there was plenty of time to reel Galway in via points but we went looking for a goal which is always hard to get when it is desperately needed. But whether by accident or design, certainly by manic endeavour, it came. As far as I can recall David and Stephen were involved before finishing in the right hands, Paul Geaney. Paul had an indifferent game, did score a memorable point in the first, but this is one of the qualities he gives you. An ability to keep a cool head and glide it home. Needless to say the place erupted but that eruption had not subsided before another eruption took place, although Tralee is not known for volcanic eruptions, this one will be forever known as the Killian Spillane winning point eruption. At that stage it was decided to have Austin Stack Park evacuated before any further eruptions could took place, a decision I totally supported!
Apart from those volcanic eruptions, Tralee is now likely to be banned from staging further matches , because allied to this hitherto unknown volcanic site one of the most egregious daylight robberies was enacted at the same time.
Galway will be justifiably broken hearted at going home empty handed. They played splendid football, what else would you expect from Padraig Joyce. They deserved at least a draw, perhaps more. There are surely bright times ahead for them. As for Kerry, after first confronting their confessor regarding forgiveness or not for this highway larceny, their is loads to ponder and work on. So far, so fairly good.
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Post by kerryeastcoastusa on Feb 2, 2020 13:35:20 GMT
With people swinging off the rafters on a beautiful evening , one could not have visited a more idyllic setting than Austin Stack Park on what I am sure was a bleak, miserable evening elsewhere around the country. The footballers from both counties completed the circle by producing some passages of marvellous football. All these factors combined to give sustenance to the soul while at the same time providing turbulence for the heart, particularly Kerry's rising from the dead at the death. Kerry lined without Tadgh Morley and Sean O'Shea with Graham O'Sullivan and Michael Burns deputising. Gavin Crowley was switched to full back with Shane Enright at CHB. No obvious logic in that switch, yet management foolishly persisted with that move for the first half when it clearly was not working. On the other hand, while Michael Burns is unlikely to be a CHF, he worked himself to exhaustion before being substituted in the second half , kicking two points into the bargain. In that opening half two things manifested itself fairly quickly. If sufficient direct ball was furnished for our inside line havoc would ensue, on the other hand, at the other end our back line was loose and jittery. Is there anything new in those two observations. As the game progressed our ball in became slower and less direct and our back line seemed to be under pressure every time the ball was in their area. It came as no surprise then that all Kerry's work upfront was upscuttled by a Galway goal. The only surprise was that Galway did not add on a couple of more goals. The fact that they did not was due only to bad luck and a couple of key interventions by Shane Ryan. They also had a few bad wides for points efforts. We were doing ok at midfield. Liam Kearney continued his good Dublin effort before tiring while Jack Barry , without excelling, was consistent all through. We led by two at half time. Viscerally one felt we could have been ahead by more but considering those missed Galway goal chances it could have been advantage Galway. JO'D , who bounced all through that half, did not come out for the second half. Surely this unluckiest of men did not sustain another injury. Tommy Walsh replaced him. In fairness to this man, he made his contribution. Kicked a bad wide, kicked an unlikely glorious point when all the experts , with me as their cheerleader , shouted for God sake give it to David or PG. He set up the winning point for Killian and may have had a hand in the goal, not sure. It was noticeable in this game, as it was in the Dublin game, as it is too often, that we always seem to be under more pressure in getting our kicks out to safety than the opposition. This is not always Shane's fault but sometimes it is. I usually come away with the impression that we do not practise that aspect of our play but surely I am wrong there. I wish our game displayed evidence of that practice, if it is the case. In any case , we were edging it until Shane Walsh, as good a forward as there is out there, scored a wonderful goal. He followed up with a point to match it in quality. It meant that entering the home straight we were a goal down. To the credit of the lads they dug in and fought like ferrets for every ball, with the crowd's support feverish at this stage. While they were gutsy during that period a little panic set in up front. There was a minute or two of ordinary time left with the "mandatory" extra five or so. It meant there was plenty of time to reel Galway in via points but we went looking for a goal which is always hard to get when it is desperately needed. But whether by accident or design, certainly by manic endeavour, it came. As far as I can recall David and Stephen were involved before finishing in the right hands, Paul Geaney. Paul had an indifferent game, did score a memorable point in the first, but this is one of the qualities he gives you. An ability to keep a cool head and glide it home. Needless to say the place erupted but that eruption had not subsided before another eruption took place, although Tralee is not known for volcanic eruptions, this one will be forever known as the Killian Spillane winning point eruption. At that stage it was decided to have Austin Stack Park evacuated before any further eruptions could took place, a decision I totally supported! Apart from those volcanic eruptions, Tralee is now likely to be banned from staging further matches , because allied to this hitherto unknown volcanic site one of the most egregious daylight robberies was enacted at the same time. Galway will be justifiably broken hearted at going home empty handed. They played splendid football, what else would you expect from Padraig Joyce. They deserved at least a draw, perhaps more. There are surely bright times ahead for them. As for Kerry, after first confronting their confessor regarding forgiveness or not for this highway larceny, their is loads to ponder and work on. So far, so fairly good. Did Gavin Crowley play full back the entire game? Where did Graham O’ Sullivan line out?
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 2, 2020 14:19:39 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 2, 2020 14:20:13 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 2, 2020 14:29:08 GMT
More than 4 steps there by Killian too. It might have been called back in Salthill.
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Post by greengold35 on Feb 2, 2020 14:48:39 GMT
With people swinging off the rafters on a beautiful evening , one could not have visited a more idyllic setting than Austin Stack Park on what I am sure was a bleak, miserable evening elsewhere around the country. The footballers from both counties completed the circle by producing some passages of marvellous football. All these factors combined to give sustenance to the soul while at the same time providing turbulence for the heart, particularly Kerry's rising from the dead at the death. Kerry lined without Tadgh Morley and Sean O'Shea with Graham O'Sullivan and Michael Burns deputising. Gavin Crowley was switched to full back with Shane Enright at CHB. No obvious logic in that switch, yet management foolishly persisted with that move for the first half when it clearly was not working. On the other hand, while Michael Burns is unlikely to be a CHF, he worked himself to exhaustion before being substituted in the second half , kicking two points into the bargain. In that opening half two things manifested itself fairly quickly. If sufficient direct ball was furnished for our inside line havoc would ensue, on the other hand, at the other end our back line was loose and jittery. Is there anything new in those two observations. As the game progressed our ball in became slower and less direct and our back line seemed to be under pressure every time the ball was in their area. It came as no surprise then that all Kerry's work upfront was upscuttled by a Galway goal. The only surprise was that Galway did not add on a couple of more goals. The fact that they did not was due only to bad luck and a couple of key interventions by Shane Ryan. They also had a few bad wides for points efforts. We were doing ok at midfield. Liam Kearney continued his good Dublin effort before tiring while Jack Barry , without excelling, was consistent all through. We led by two at half time. Viscerally one felt we could have been ahead by more but considering those missed Galway goal chances it could have been advantage Galway. JO'D , who bounced all through that half, did not come out for the second half. Surely this unluckiest of men did not sustain another injury. Tommy Walsh replaced him. In fairness to this man, he made his contribution. Kicked a bad wide, kicked an unlikely glorious point when all the experts , with me as their cheerleader , shouted for God sake give it to David or PG. He set up the winning point for Killian and may have had a hand in the goal, not sure. It was noticeable in this game, as it was in the Dublin game, as it is too often, that we always seem to be under more pressure in getting our kicks out to safety than the opposition. This is not always Shane's fault but sometimes it is. I usually come away with the impression that we do not practise that aspect of our play but surely I am wrong there. I wish our game displayed evidence of that practice, if it is the case. In any case , we were edging it until Shane Walsh, as good a forward as there is out there, scored a wonderful goal. He followed up with a point to match it in quality. It meant that entering the home straight we were a goal down. To the credit of the lads they dug in and fought like ferrets for every ball, with the crowd's support feverish at this stage. While they were gutsy during that period a little panic set in up front. There was a minute or two of ordinary time left with the "mandatory" extra five or so. It meant there was plenty of time to reel Galway in via points but we went looking for a goal which is always hard to get when it is desperately needed. But whether by accident or design, certainly by manic endeavour, it came. As far as I can recall David and Stephen were involved before finishing in the right hands, Paul Geaney. Paul had an indifferent game, did score a memorable point in the first, but this is one of the qualities he gives you. An ability to keep a cool head and glide it home. Needless to say the place erupted but that eruption had not subsided before another eruption took place, although Tralee is not known for volcanic eruptions, this one will be forever known as the Killian Spillane winning point eruption. At that stage it was decided to have Austin Stack Park evacuated before any further eruptions could took place, a decision I totally supported! Apart from those volcanic eruptions, Tralee is now likely to be banned from staging further matches , because allied to this hitherto unknown volcanic site one of the most egregious daylight robberies was enacted at the same time. Galway will be justifiably broken hearted at going home empty handed. They played splendid football, what else would you expect from Padraig Joyce. They deserved at least a draw, perhaps more. There are surely bright times ahead for them. As for Kerry, after first confronting their confessor regarding forgiveness or not for this highway larceny, their is loads to ponder and work on. So far, so fairly good. Did Gavin Crowley play full back the entire game? Where did Graham O’ Sullivan line out? Graham picked up 13 in the left corner; from m what I could see we had Jason at full back for about the first 10 mins on Shane Walsh with Gavin @ 2 on Michael Daly - for some reason we switched our markets with Gavin going to full back then on Walsh - I would have switched Gavin & Enright though as Gavin might have matched Comer better physically than Shane & equally Shane’s pace could have been a better fit for Walsh - horses for courses & hurlers on the ditch!!😉
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Post by buck02 on Feb 2, 2020 16:56:52 GMT
I can't for the life of me understand people thinking that Shane Enright would be better suited full back on Shane Walsh last night.
Enright horsed away with Comer out the field. Having him one on one with Walsh close to goal would have been asking for major trouble.
It was interesting however that Gavin Crowley was brought back on him as opposed to putting Jason Foley on him. Lessons learned from the all Ireland semi final last year perhaps.
PS - a packed Austin Stack Park is turning into a brilliant venue to watch a football game.
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Post by homerj on Feb 2, 2020 17:02:33 GMT
thought we were poor, very lucky to win and ultimately Galway deserved to win - a couple of late mistakes from them, let us back in.
Shane Walsh is a fine player but my word how on earth was he left without a switch for the entire 70 mins? ive a huge fan of gavin crowley so i wont be harsh on him - he is not a full back or a man marker. after 15 mins i was saying "will be a switch there shortly".....then again and again and again, it never came.
great to dig it out but this was about galway throwing it away (complete nonsense black card from their #7) then a wayward pass to Paul Murphy and a bad kick out, plus Comer bad miss, all in last moments of the game killed them.
still, a win is a win but anybody happy with that needs a reality check, very poor overall
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Post by southward on Feb 2, 2020 17:27:50 GMT
I can't for the life of me understand people thinking that Shane Enright would be better suited full back on Shane Walsh last night. Enright horsed away with Comer out the field. Having him one on one with Walsh close to goal would have been asking for major trouble. It was interesting however that Gavin Crowley was brought back on him as opposed to putting Jason Foley on him. Lessons learned from the all Ireland semi final last year perhaps. PS - a packed Austin Stack Park is turning into a brilliant venue to watch a football game. Sure is, especially under lights. Shame there will be no more this year; the Donegal game is on a Sunday afternoon and Meath is on in Killarney.
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Post by pillar on Feb 2, 2020 17:44:41 GMT
I don’t mean to have a go with management at this early stage but there are two issues I think have merit. 1- why was Crowley not switched from Shane Walsh it was evident in the first half he was under serious pressure, i understand he was marking one of the best in the country but when a member of your backline is getting beat isn’t it the first action to make a switch , Graham o Sullivan was having a fine game his confidence was up man taken of why not give him the chance?? 2 taking James o donoghue of for the second week in a row when he was playing well, I thought we lost structure to our forward line when he went tommy was winning ball but his runs were straight out and not really winning ball in dangerous positions. Maybe James was injured but found it very strange he had his man on the backfooot!! Good win all the same! Showed great bottle and attitude Hearing James O D being subbed was part of the plan of easing him back into action..wise move as its Augist we want him primed for
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Post by dano on Feb 2, 2020 18:50:32 GMT
Listened in on RK over here. I knew Galway would be tough. Two points is huge and the never Say Die attitude is becoming evident and is something we lacked under the last management ( in my opinion anyway). Brilliant description of the evening and match report there Veteran.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Feb 2, 2020 19:17:47 GMT
I'm probably being very cynical here but I'm beginning to think that we're trying to create "do or die" scenarios at the end of matches in an attempt to have our guys able to manage them effectively when they arise in more important matches in future. We should have won that game tonight by much more. I wish Kerry was that good that they can create scenarios in matches and engineer comfortable 1 point wins. What's the craic with the black card last night? McDaid was off for over 10 minutes when the next break in play he wasn't allowed on by the referee (linesman to be fair). The next break was over 2 minutes and was the last Galway attack and the end of the game.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 2, 2020 20:26:30 GMT
Cracking game last night between two footballing counties that served up an attacking spectacle. Some great forwards and forward play on display, a phenomenal goal from the skilfully gifted Shay Walsh. Shane Ryan was only millimetres away from saving it. The Kerry inside line pinging away all night in the first half. It reminded one why we went to games as young people during the Golden Years. Enthralled by great forward play from players playing off the cuff. If only we could legislate out the blanket and 14-15 players behind the ball.....................
Stacks Park looking at its very best last night. A few extra thousand people packing in to see Kerry's young players in action no doubt. First time it hit my what a great football venue it is. It would be great if the remaining uncovered terraces could be covered, thus creating a mini "Soulfull Bowl"..........
Kerry seemed to tire in the second half, it looked like they were goosed going into injury time. If Dublin have pegged that one back we would be lauding them. Dublin reel in calm cool and collected, Kerry were frantic in search of the late scores. This clutch of young Kerry players will become clutch players in due course. Thanks to the players for a heart warming night in Stacks Park and a mindful journey back to younger days following the Green & Gold.
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Post by givehimaball on Feb 2, 2020 21:15:04 GMT
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Post by dc84 on Feb 3, 2020 11:29:54 GMT
Looked like a very good game of football dont really get this sympathy/controversy re mcdaid he dragged a man down last 10 mins if he didnt get back on tough. Galway look very sharp for this time of the year be no fear of them going down.
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Post by tpo on Feb 3, 2020 11:32:37 GMT
Gooch on The Sunday game gave the impression that James was injured
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