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Post by Kerryman 2 on Jan 7, 2020 8:53:57 GMT
Heard Aidian O’Shea and Brian Hickey have stepped down from Kerry minor Management Team.
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Post by greengold35 on Jan 7, 2020 10:30:12 GMT
Heard Aidian O’Shea and Brian Hickey have stepped down from Kerry minor Management Team. Brian Hickey stepped down a while back & has been replaced by Mark Fitzgerald ( Kerins O’Rahillys) - didn’t hear O’Shea was stepping down as management team were ratified at county board meeting in Nov.
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Post by richard00 on Jan 7, 2020 11:33:02 GMT
What kind of team are we looking at ?
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 7, 2020 21:20:48 GMT
What kind of team are we looking at ? They'll be very strong again. They'll definetly be well in the mix for the All Ireland. At u16 level Kerry South won the All Ireland winning by a very large margin against Laois while Kerry North lost by a point to Laois in the semi final. How the 2 development squads fared bodes very well. Stacks will be the best represented club, they were the dominant u16 team in 2019. I'd say they could have 3 starting and another 2 on the bench or something like that. Oisin Maunsell from Na Gaeil is the only player who made a match day 24 last year, he'll probably start at centre back. There were a few more who were in training with the panel at different times.
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Post by veteran on Oct 21, 2020 18:55:05 GMT
If the minor competition does not go ahead, and rather than possibly trying to fit it in early in 2021, would it not be a good idea to revert to an u18 competition next year. You would be killing two birds with the one shot. You would be restoring it to its appropriate age group , could never understand why it was changed in the first place, and it would give the lads who miss out this year to play minor next year which I am sure is their heart’s desire.
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Post by himself on Oct 21, 2020 19:31:24 GMT
Brilliant suggestion
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Post by otobeawinner on Oct 21, 2020 20:48:13 GMT
If the minor competition does not go ahead, and rather than possibly trying to fit it in early in 2021, would it not be a good idea to revert to an u18 competition next year. You would be killing two birds with the one shot. You would be restoring it to its appropriate age group , could never understand why it was changed in the first place, and it would give the lads who miss out this year to play minor next year which I am sure is their heart’s desire. If the minor competition does not go ahead, and rather than possibly trying to fit it in early in 2021, would it not be a good idea to revert to an u18 competition next year. You would be killing two birds with the one shot. You would be restoring it to its appropriate age group , could never understand why it was changed in the first place, and it would give the lads who miss out this year to play minor next year which I am sure is their heart’s desire. whatever about the minors not being as good to watch at u17 rather than u18 which I dont see to be honest, the reason is simple u17's cant play any senior so clear distinction for players and coaches and all the over training issues that followed that. To tie into this all age groups going to Odd's from 2021. Clubs didn't jump at it last few years because clearly too many clubs did not see the benefits. I think it's now mandatory. So it will be u11,13,15 and 17. For those involved in underage this makes sense as lads u13 will play on juvenile pitch and u15 onto full pitch. Extra year to develop before the jump.for lots of children turning 13 in latter half of their "weak year" at u14 it was literally men against boys. On your point about playing an intercounty u18 minor next year, it's a good idea,they could do that for the 1 age group like they did for u17 when it changed.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 21, 2020 22:42:06 GMT
If the minor competition does not go ahead, and rather than possibly trying to fit it in early in 2021, would it not be a good idea to revert to an u18 competition next year. You would be killing two birds with the one shot. You would be restoring it to its appropriate age group , could never understand why it was changed in the first place, and it would give the lads who miss out this year to play minor next year which I am sure is their heart’s desire. If the minor competition does not go ahead, and rather than possibly trying to fit it in early in 2021, would it not be a good idea to revert to an u18 competition next year. You would be killing two birds with the one shot. You would be restoring it to its appropriate age group , could never understand why it was changed in the first place, and it would give the lads who miss out this year to play minor next year which I am sure is their heart’s desire. whatever about the minors not being as good to watch at u17 rather than u18 which I dont see to be honest, the reason is simple u17's cant play any senior so clear distinction for players and coaches and all the over training issues that followed that. To tie into this all age groups going to Odd's from 2021. Clubs didn't jump at it last few years because clearly too many clubs did not see the benefits. I think it's now mandatory. So it will be u11,13,15 and 17. For those involved in underage this makes sense as lads u13 will play on juvenile pitch and u15 onto full pitch. Extra year to develop before the jump.for lots of children turning 13 in latter half of their "weak year" at u14 it was literally men against boys. On your point about playing an intercounty u18 minor next year, it's a good idea,they could do that for the 1 age group like they did for u17 when it changed. I don't see it either has there ever been a better final than this one or the 2019 final that Cork won?
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Post by veteran on Oct 22, 2020 9:24:35 GMT
As regards the u17 versus U18, when the minor grade was u18 the bulk of the starting 15, here in Kerry, for example would be in their last year at that grade with possibly two or three being u17. Would that tell you something? Surely , it is reasonable to assume that the older you get, up to a certain age of course, that you are going to improve , in most cases at least. Therefore one would expect u14 to be better than u13, u15 to be better than 14 etc. if you are not improving you are on the highway to nowhere.
As regards the minor final of last year one swallow scarcely makes a summer. More evidence needed. You can get a good contest at any age, not to be confused with quality.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 22, 2020 10:31:39 GMT
As regards the u17 versus U18, when the minor grade was u18 the bulk of the starting 15, here in Kerry, for example would be in their last year at that grade with possibly two or three being u17. Would that tell you something? Surely , it is reasonable to assume that the older you get, up to a certain age of course, that you are going to improve , in most cases at least. Therefore one would expect u14 to be better than u13, u15 to be better than 14 etc. if you are not improving you are on the highway to nowhere. As regards the minor final of last year one swallow scarcely makes a summer. More evidence needed. You can get a good contest at any age, not to be confused with quality. The quality of the last two final finals that Cork and Kerry won was outstanding.
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Post by veteran on Oct 22, 2020 12:47:20 GMT
I am sure the quality of any under age group can be good judged by the standards of that age group.
Do you agree : 1. That few seventeen year olds historically got on u18 minor teams. 2. Do you agree with the assumption that generally speaking players improve year by year until shall we say they approach their peak. The ones that don’t improve are likely to be cast overboard . Now of course different players improve at different rates over the years but that is not pertinent to this discussion. Picking individual players or individual matches is hardly representative of the situation as a whole. For example , at seventeen David Clifford was probably better than most u18 players that ever played the game. But was he your typical u17 player?
I will put it another way. At the start of 2020 if you staged a trial game to pick your Kerry minor team(u18) between an u17 selection and u18 selection who would expect to win, eight times out of ten? The answer is staring me in the face unless of course you are dealing with a freakish u17 selection. Freakish teams , like freakish players , at any grade are a rare commodity.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 22, 2020 12:49:10 GMT
Vet's analysis breaks down for people who consider minor football a better spectacle than senior football.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 22, 2020 13:48:41 GMT
I cant recall many u18 minor games that had the quality of the last two minor finals.
The fact that u18s generally would defeat u17s is a different point altogether.
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Post by veteran on Oct 22, 2020 15:59:47 GMT
Mick, I started this discussion expressing the wish that the minor grade would revert to u18. I expanded on the reasons for that wish in my last two posts, particularly in my last post where I raised two points. If you addressed those two points I feel you would not conclude that the fact an u18 team would regularly beat an u17 team is neither here nor there. I contend of course that it is central to the discussion. As I said , you can get good games and bad games in any grade and the fact the last two finals were of high quality scarcely negates my central point.
Again, I will pose a question. Would you expect , on average, that u18 teams are more likely to produce higher quality football than U17 teams?
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Post by otobeawinner on Oct 22, 2020 16:32:22 GMT
Mick, I started this discussion expressing the wish that the minor grade would revert to u18. I expanded on the reasons for that wish in my last two posts, particularly in my last post where I raised two points. If you addressed those two points I feel you would not conclude that the fact an u18 team would regularly beat an u17 team is neither here nor there. I contend of course that it is central to the discussion. As I said , you can get good games and bad games in any grade and the fact the last two finals were of high quality scarcely negates my central point. Again, I will pose a question. Would you expect , on average, that u18 teams are more likely to produce higher quality football than U17 teams? I think there are 2 totally different arguments going on here so it appears everyone wins. Veteran wants u18s restored as it's better to watch. Whether that is so depends on personal opinion. I, as mentioned by another poster think most underage games (especially in kerry) are of better quality and thus a better spectacle than senior level so the older one gets does not equal quality. I know that's probably because the defensive bit is not as overpowering in minor and below but that makes it better for me anyway. The fact remains that there are very valid and more important reasons why its u17.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 22, 2020 17:00:36 GMT
I like U-17 as it might involve less impact on a player's Leaving Cert... but they might get that at U-20 instead now.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 22, 2020 17:10:32 GMT
Veteran
I think playing u18 in 2021 is a great idea.
As regards whether i would 'expect' u18 to have more quality than 'u17', well logic would support it but the recent evidence would not. Were does that leave us? Anyway, what harm is disagreeing?
By the way...was the minor game between Brendans and East Kerry u17 or u18. I should know but its hard to keep track of things. That was an epic encounter
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Post by veteran on Oct 22, 2020 17:49:20 GMT
Mick , there is no harm at all in disagreeing.
If everybody agreed around here we would drown in boredom and blandness.I like to experience a bite, an edge and if a few blindside blows are thrown in , well all the better. That is one of the reasons why I miss our contributors from outside the county who seem to have disappeared. Perhaps they will return now that the games have resumed.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 22, 2020 18:00:26 GMT
I can remember one point in particular that was jaw dropping.... the accurate kickout by the keeper....the fetch by Paul oShea i think, the instant accurate footpass to the kerry forwards chest by Paul and then the instant swivel and expert finish straight over the bar. You knew you had just seen poetry in motion.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Nov 28, 2020 19:24:19 GMT
Now that we’ve exited level 5, the Minor championship can be run off. A date of December 12th has been mentioned for our clash with Cork, but decisions will be made this week on fixtures. Will they finish it in December by having teams playing weekend and mid week games or conclude it in January? Also does anyone know have minor teams been allowed to continue training during the level 5 restrictions? If they have been allowed it would help matches be restarted straight away.
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Post by clarinman on Nov 28, 2020 22:23:32 GMT
Now that we’ve exited level 5, the Minor championship can be run off. A date of December 12th has been mentioned for our clash with Cork, but decisions will be made this week on fixtures. Will they finish it in December by having teams playing weekend and mid week games or conclude it in January? Also does anyone know have minor teams been allowed to continue training during the level 5 restrictions? If they have been allowed it would help matches be restarted straight away. No matches allowed in level 3 apart from senior inter county.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Nov 28, 2020 23:40:44 GMT
Now that we’ve exited level 5, the Minor championship can be run off. A date of December 12th has been mentioned for our clash with Cork, but decisions will be made this week on fixtures. Will they finish it in December by having teams playing weekend and mid week games or conclude it in January? Also does anyone know have minor teams been allowed to continue training during the level 5 restrictions? If they have been allowed it would help matches be restarted straight away. No matches allowed in level 3 apart from senior inter county. I’m fairly sure you’re wrong there. Elite Sport is allowed and Inter County Minor is considered elite although not elite enough for level 5. Sure it was all going ahead when we were in level 3 before the level 5 came in. Tim Murphy was commenting on it during the week talking about it going ahead.
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Post by john4 on Nov 28, 2020 23:49:10 GMT
The Association's Covid Advisory Committee will meet on Monday to consider the implications of the (Government's) announcement for the GAA and will issue a communication to all Counties and Clubs after this meeting, once it has received full clarification on the overall impact on our games.
Le meas,
GAA Communications Dept.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 1, 2020 23:21:52 GMT
UE, 01 DEC, 2020 - 22:23 JOHN FOGARTY Counties have been put on standby for the minor football and hurling and U20 hurling championships to be played this month.
The provincial competitions could take place as early as next week with the outstanding U20 football final between Dublin and Galway possibly taking place prior to the All-Ireland senior football decider in Croke Park on December 19.
All under-age inter-county games were suspended after October 21 when it was confirmed they could not be played during Level 5 restrictions.
Several of the games are due to be played on weekdays with the Munster U20 hurling semi-finals between Waterford and Tipperary and Cork and Limerick due to be played. The Dublin-Offaly and Galway-Laois Leinster quarter-finals are also down for decision.
With the same pairings as U20, the Munster minor hurling championship is also at the semi-final stages while the minor football competition is yet to start.
Cork and Kerry have been drawn to face each other in the semi-finals.
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Post by northkerry101 on Dec 3, 2020 12:28:14 GMT
Munster Semi-Final v Cork is fixed for the 15th of December in Austin Stack Park Tralee @ 7pm. The final will be played on the 22nd of December.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Dec 9, 2020 12:31:19 GMT
Kerry have revealed a panel of 33 ahead of their Electric Ireland Munster Minor Football Championship opener.
The Kingdom host Cork next Tuesday at 7 in Austin Stack Park, Tralee in a game which will be live on Radio Kerry.
21 clubs are represented; Austin Stacks have 7 players, Dr.Crokes and Castlegregory 3 each, Kilcummin and Legion 2 each while the other 16 have 1 player each.
The squad: 1 Oisín Maunsell Capt. Na Gaeil 2 Shane Bastible Austin Stacks 3 Ruairí Burns Sneem 4 Cillian Burke Milltown Castlemaine 5 Sean Broderick Jn. Mitchels 6 Harry Byrne Dr. Crokes 7 Mark Casey Templenoe 8 Keith Evans Keel 9 Cian Foley Kilcummin 10 Darragh Fleming Legion 11 Eoghan Hassett Laune Rgs. 12 Armin Heinrich Austin Stacks 13 Conor Horan Austin Stacks 14 Jordan Kissane Austin Stacks 15 Marc Manning Lios Póil 16 Jack McElligott Listowel Emmets 17 Cian McMahon Dr. Crokes 18 Andrew Moynihan Rathmore 19 Joey Nagle Austin Stacks 20 Dara O Callaghan Kilcummin 21 Caolán O Connell Castlegregory 22 Maurice O Connell Castlegregory 23 Cian O Donoghue St. Mary’s C’civeen 24 Thomas O Donnell Castlegregory 25 Paudie O Leary Gneeveguilla 26 Aaron O Shea Listry 27 Darragh O Sullivan Churchill 28 Fionán O Sullivan Skellig Rgs. 29 Ben Quilter Austin Stacks 30 Liam Randles Dr. Crokes 31 Dean Rusk Austin Stacks 32 William Shine Legion 33 Cian Walsh Murphy Scartaglen
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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 9, 2020 12:41:07 GMT
So NK is gone out on it's own?
Ah only joking and while there will never be an even distribution, NK is consistently underrepresented, unrepresented.
Assuming the selection is fair, how can this be?
I know we can point at issues, e.g. big hurling area, but that hardly accounts for the black hole in talent?
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Post by seangalvin on Dec 9, 2020 20:00:12 GMT
Same has to be said for south kerry only 3 representing that entire district. 7 stacks players is surprising seeing as they were knocked out first round of the minor championship
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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 9, 2020 20:52:51 GMT
Same has to be said for south kerry only 3 representing that entire district. 7 stacks players is surprising seeing as they were knocked out first round of the minor championship Now I'm open to correction but I'd be thinking SK throws up more talent than NK if we look back say 5 years - less soccer and rugby down there? I am not pointing a finger, just stating fact. Some related info on Dual Club thread. Quote of the day a la Dáithí O'6 - Where would he be got, and which had the RTE girls in fits. Where would you get it is an old fav of mine.
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Post by seangalvin on Dec 10, 2020 9:38:28 GMT
South Kerry's dropout rate from u14s to senior is major and is seeing nearly every club have to join up with another just to field the bare 15 at underage leval. Its probably why we see south kerry teams in the bottom divisions at underage level
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