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Post by Hicser on Jul 20, 2019 20:46:42 GMT
Remember Roscommon are the Connacht CHAMPIONS! It's only going to get worse in the coming years. The blue genie is well and truly out of the bottle. The future is blue... God lads that’s depressing, surely Kerry or Donegal can challenge the Dubs,
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Post by Sons of Pitches on Jul 20, 2019 21:17:33 GMT
God lads that’s depressing, surely Kerry or Donegal can challenge the Dubs, We'll see. Dublin U20's in the All-Ireland semi-final. Minors in the All-Ireland quarter final. We'll see..
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Post by john4 on Jul 20, 2019 23:17:34 GMT
In hindsight maybe Cork should have thrown the game to Dublin last week and put their sole focus on the Tyrone game this evening. Three weeks on the trot is heavy going. I'd be surprised if they didn't beat Roscommon at home. That would have been enough, as you'd assume Dublin will beat Tyrone.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 20, 2019 23:24:32 GMT
Con OCallaghan is only getting better and stronger
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Post by dc84 on Jul 21, 2019 8:01:57 GMT
With McCarthy back the Dublin middle 8 are amazing in fairness Howard just like o Callaghan just getting better and better.
Cox gave McMahon plenty of it that fullback line is the only weakness really but you have to get the ball in there enough times and that is the challenge. Connacht has been proven to be a poor province this year.
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Post by glengael on Jul 23, 2019 9:29:26 GMT
What now for Cork deLorean? A Munster football title, what-might-have-been in the Super 8's, hurlers gone and a case of 'build it and there will be problems' down in the Pairc?
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Post by delorean on Jul 31, 2019 10:54:27 GMT
What now for Cork deLorean? A Munster football title, what-might-have-been in the Super 8's, hurlers gone and a case of 'build it and there will be problems' down in the Pairc? Hi Glengeal, sorry I only saw this now. More of a lurker these days, don't have as much time on my hands. What now? A win for the U20's over Dublin would be very welcome on Saturday and our minor footballers are in bonus territory really, given the capitulation the first day out against your good selves and limping home in the backdoor game in Ennis. It really does show what a run of games can do for a young sides development and the madness of being eliminated after one game so many years previously. As for the Seniors, hopefully Division 3 doesn't halt our progression too much but hardly ideal. The biggest thing is that we've found three or four players who are genuine upgrades on what went before, namely O'Donovan, Taylor, O'Hanlon & McSweeney. Hopefully Powter will be like a 'new signing' next year too, along with the integration of some of this U20 side. Given how bleak things seemed when we were relegated again in the spring, we have to be satisfied with how the summer has gone. We still have a seriously long way to go though, especially defensively. For all the negativity, the hurlers aren't too far away I feel. Rome wasn't built in a day and we're in a lot better place than we were a few years back, we're competitive again anyway at all grades. The Kilkenny exit was massively disappointing though, it's easier to accept being out-hurled than out-fought. The next man in, assuming Meyler leaves, will be crucial. Talk of Cusack being a candidate but that's a scary proposition really, I don't think we need anything that radical and potentially divisive. Hopefully our U20's can finish the year on a high but they appear to be lacking that little bit of steel required also. The Páirc project has been messy to say the least but at least our new Secretary has taken responsibility and is looking to rectify things. He's been an impressive appointment in the limited amount of time he has been there. He has already improved the county leagues by introducing some new measures, rewarding clubs for playing matches on time and penalising those who don't. In short, the glass is half full.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 31, 2019 14:06:52 GMT
What now for Cork deLorean? A Munster football title, what-might-have-been in the Super 8's, hurlers gone and a case of 'build it and there will be problems' down in the Pairc? Hi Glengeal, sorry I only saw this now. More of a lurker these days, don't have as much time on my hands. What now? A win for the U20's over Dublin would be very welcome on Saturday and our minor footballers are in bonus territory really, given the capitulation the first day out against your good selves and limping home in the backdoor game in Ennis. It really does show what a run of games can do for a young sides development and the madness of being eliminated after one game so many years previously. As for the Seniors, hopefully Division 3 doesn't halt our progression too much but hardly ideal. The biggest thing is that we've found three or four players who are genuine upgrades on what went before, namely O'Donovan, Taylor, O'Hanlon & McSweeney. Hopefully Powter will be like a 'new signing' next year too, along with the integration of some of this U20 side. Given how bleak things seemed when we were relegated again in the spring, we have to be satisfied with how the summer has gone. We still have a seriously long way to go though, especially defensively. For all the negativity, the hurlers aren't too far away I feel. Rome wasn't built in a day and we're in a lot better place than we were a few years back, we're competitive again anyway at all grades. The Kilkenny exit was massively disappointing though, it's easier to accept being out-hurled than out-fought. The next man in, assuming Meyler leaves, will be crucial. Talk of Cusack being a candidate but that's a scary proposition really, I don't think we need anything that radical and potentially divisive. Hopefully our U20's can finish the year on a high but they appear to be lacking that little bit of steel required also. The Páirc project has been messy to say the least but at least our new Secretary has taken responsibility and is looking to rectify things. He's been an impressive appointment in the limited amount of time he has been there. He has already improved the county leagues by introducing some new measures, rewarding clubs for playing matches on time and penalising those who don't. In short, the glass is half full. apparently in every decade bar this one Cork, Tipp and KK have all won an all ireland in hurling.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 31, 2019 14:41:41 GMT
Hi Glengeal, sorry I only saw this now. More of a lurker these days, don't have as much time on my hands. What now? A win for the U20's over Dublin would be very welcome on Saturday and our minor footballers are in bonus territory really, given the capitulation the first day out against your good selves and limping home in the backdoor game in Ennis. It really does show what a run of games can do for a young sides development and the madness of being eliminated after one game so many years previously. As for the Seniors, hopefully Division 3 doesn't halt our progression too much but hardly ideal. The biggest thing is that we've found three or four players who are genuine upgrades on what went before, namely O'Donovan, Taylor, O'Hanlon & McSweeney. Hopefully Powter will be like a 'new signing' next year too, along with the integration of some of this U20 side. Given how bleak things seemed when we were relegated again in the spring, we have to be satisfied with how the summer has gone. We still have a seriously long way to go though, especially defensively. For all the negativity, the hurlers aren't too far away I feel. Rome wasn't built in a day and we're in a lot better place than we were a few years back, we're competitive again anyway at all grades. The Kilkenny exit was massively disappointing though, it's easier to accept being out-hurled than out-fought. The next man in, assuming Meyler leaves, will be crucial. Talk of Cusack being a candidate but that's a scary proposition really, I don't think we need anything that radical and potentially divisive. Hopefully our U20's can finish the year on a high but they appear to be lacking that little bit of steel required also. The Páirc project has been messy to say the least but at least our new Secretary has taken responsibility and is looking to rectify things. He's been an impressive appointment in the limited amount of time he has been there. He has already improved the county leagues by introducing some new measures, rewarding clubs for playing matches on time and penalising those who don't. In short, the glass is half full. apparently in every decade bar this one Cork, Tipp and KK have all won an all ireland in hurling. Every decade since the 1890s when Kerry provided the K.
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Post by john4 on Jul 31, 2019 17:34:41 GMT
apparently in every decade bar this one Cork, Tipp and KK have all won an all ireland in hurling. Every decade since the 1890s when Kerry provided the K. A fella sent me a piece of trivia that Kerry have won the all-ireland every 22nd year with 110 years. 1909, '31, '53, '75, '97, '??
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 31, 2019 22:17:32 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 1, 2019 13:07:37 GMT
The two weeks rest for Mayo is a huge thing not to mention home advantage.
I think the last time they met was in a relegation playoff and Kevin McLoughlin kicked a late winner.
If its true that Ruane and DoConnor could feature it does change things.
I some reason i think Mayo will win. But its not based on studying the form as they say with horse racing
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Post by augustafield on Aug 1, 2019 13:52:01 GMT
After McLoughlin took 13 steps Mick ... ! In a vital relegation match the Ref and officials - yet again - messed up . Being beaten fair and square is accepted but because of a blatant wrong decision leaves one so helpless . Witness the hurling semi finals at the weekend . Pity Limerick don’t appeal the result if only to indicate this will be the norm in future as a result of bad officiating . Constant consistent bad decisions have us wringing our hands and throwing our eyes up to heaven and shaking our heads - but nothing changes . We seem to put up with it as part of the game .
Unbelievable examples over the weekend and nothing changes . Are TSG under instructions not to rock the boat for the fear that any adverse criticism of the GAA might invite SKY to run the show ? Strange of TSG ignoring controversy ?
And if it be true appointing Ref for Dubs v Tyrone is giving the finger to those of us only seek a fair playing field.
And there is still a long way to go in both Championships - plenty of room for error .
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 1, 2019 14:13:06 GMT
How many wides did Limerick hit?
15?
Easy to blame the ref.
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Post by tpo on Aug 1, 2019 14:18:03 GMT
And before Kevin McLoughlin took his steps to score Paddy McBearty had kicked the ball short into GK hands
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Post by jackiel on Aug 1, 2019 14:22:47 GMT
I hadn't realised Joe Mc Quillan was down to ref Tyrone v Dublin, it's as if they dont even care how it looks.
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Post by sullyschoice on Aug 1, 2019 14:23:22 GMT
The two weeks rest for Mayo is a huge thing not to mention home advantage. I think the last time they met was in a relegation playoff and Kevin McLoughlin kicked a late winner. If its true that Ruane and DoConnor could feature it does change things. I some reason i think Mayo will win. But its not based on studying the form as they say with horse racing I was told that DOC only had a pin removed from his hand this week and wont play. Dont think Ruane will be ready until nearer september
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 1, 2019 14:58:31 GMT
How many wides did Limerick hit? 15? Easy to blame the ref. If Limerick had been as efficient as KK they would have won. But that is a different point. That last second line ball incident was terrible.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 1, 2019 15:34:18 GMT
How many wides did Limerick hit? 15? Easy to blame the ref. If Limerick had been as efficient as KK they would have won. But that is a different point. That last second line ball incident was terrible. To answer your question a team can only control the controllables. It is an ecumenical matter whether or not a ref is controllable.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 1, 2019 15:40:09 GMT
The officials erred.
I can live with that as long as there is no underlying bias involved.
I believe both hurling refs did their unbiased best while making many errors.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 2, 2019 8:32:42 GMT
Peter Canavan 2 August 2019 2:30 AM
3 Seamus O’Shea battling Meath duo Conor McGill and Shane Gallagher. Photo: Ray McManus/Sportsfile No matter what way you slice tomorrow night's clash in Castlebar, it's hard to look past Donegal.
All of the logic points to Declan Bonner's men winning and booking their place in an All-Ireland semi-final next weekend. Leaving aside Mayo's home advantage, everything else points to a Donegal win.
When you compare the two teams, it's Donegal that tick all the right boxes. They have played the better football this year. They have a stronger panel in terms of their bench, with Frank McGlynn and Oisín Gallen in particular making their presence felt when unleashed by Bonner.
They certainly have more match-winners up front. Paddy McBrearty has rediscovered his best form quickly after his knee injury and is a game-breaker. The same can be said of Jamie Brennan, even though he was quiet against Kerry. Michael Langan can kick points for fun, too.
Donegal don't want for leaders either. Michael Murphy is in line for Footballer of the Year and seems immune to pressure when it comes to kicking frees. Murphy and Ryan McHugh demonstrated against Kerry that their understanding has been brought to a new level. They are as formidable a partnership as exists in the game just now.
Donegal have been virtually flawless in another major aspect of modern football - kick-outs. Shaun Patton has proven himself to be one of the best goalkeepers in the country. Time and again he finds his man and gives Donegal the platform to attack. And Donegal have shown they can take a setback too.
3 Having been tested by the Royals two weeks ago, the break may allow Paddy Durcan (pictured) and Keith Higgins return soon for Mayo. Photo: Piaras Ó Mídheach/Sportsfile The season-ending injury for Eoghan Bán Gallagher, who was one of the most important cogs in the Donegal wheel, didn't derail them as they played out a draw against Kerry.
And as if all of those advantages weren't enough, Donegal have another ace in the hole in former Mayo boss Stephen Rochford who will know the opposition players, and what makes them tick, intimately.
Mayo, on the other hand, have been nothing as impressive. They have already lost twice this summer and their recent form isn't great.
They lost heavily to the Kingdom in the first round of the Super 8s and last time out, a Meath team only learning the ropes at this level gave them plenty to think about.
3 Mayo's Keith Higgins. Photo: David Fitzgerald/Sportsfile When the Royals look back at the video of that game they'll see they missed good chances to really put the squeeze on James Horan's men down the home straight.
But that's the thing about this Mayo side over the years. Just when you think they are down, they get back on their feet. The two-week break since the Meath game will have helped a lot. After five weeks on the go, they needed that breather.
That break has helped some of the walking wounded recover with reports Paddy Durcan, Keith Higgins and even captain Diarmuid O'Connor could see action this weekend.
The curious thing about Mayo is that while they can live with the best in the game, they are also vulnerable against teams who are, on paper, far inferior.
Over the years they have flirted with disaster against the likes of Derry, Clare and a struggling Cork side. But they have also taken Dublin to the wire. This time I think they'll play up to the occasion.
This is do or die for Mayo and there's something about the high wire act of knockout football that can bring out the best in them. It's effectively a home All-Ireland quarter-final. I'd imagine Horan would have bitten your hand off for that at the start of the year.
And despite all the logical arguments that make the case for Donegal and have Mayo priced at close to 2/1 in some places, this feels like it is set up for them.
There's an urgency to this group, too. The likes of Keith Higgins, Seamus O'Shea, Colm Boyle and others don't have time on their side. They can't wait for the team to progress in two or three years' time. This is their moment.
Donegal are a team on the up but there's pressure that will come with this game. They have been close to perfect so far this year. They won Division 2 as expected despite a slow start, picked their way through Ulster and are unbeaten in the Super 8s.
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They now face a Mayo team which has been beaten twice but know what it is to take a team to the wire and test their will for a fight. These teams could play five times this year and it wouldn't surprise me if Donegal won four.
But Mayo only need a chance. If Donegal leave the door ajar, they have the nous to force their way through. I expect a serious showing from Mayo.
They'll have some big issues to confront. Michael Murphy is the starting point for any team facing Donegal and Lee Keegan has been the go-to man for them for those sort of jobs.
If they can work a system where Keegan tracks him in open play and someone like Aidan O'Shea competes in the air with him at kick-outs, they might be able to do enough.
The Rochford factor will only add to the atmosphere. It will be hostile and will test temperaments and when it's all done only one team will be standing.
My head says Donegal but my gut says Mayo. I'll go with my gut.
Irish Independent
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Post by southward on Aug 2, 2019 12:08:34 GMT
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Post by dc84 on Aug 2, 2019 13:16:46 GMT
Jeez that's a bit mad! Between him and Davy some combustable elements there! The only team I've heard him involved with is the underdogs! Wouldn't be surprised if he brings in donaghy with him
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Post by hatchetman on Aug 2, 2019 14:06:59 GMT
I'm not sure Donaghy would give up the cushy Sky number ... but I suppose Wexford probably wouldn't clash with the business end of the championship
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 2, 2019 14:29:19 GMT
These counties are daft bringing in these outside managers at huge exspense!
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 2, 2019 14:32:18 GMT
The Mayo players will love running out in Castlebar tomorrow evening. Perfectly set up for them to get a tilt at Dublin in the semi final.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 17:07:01 GMT
These counties are daft bringing in these outside managers at huge exspense! Agreed and bringing in a guy with no experience is worse again.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 2, 2019 20:24:34 GMT
I think Galvin is well suited to the yellow bellies - he is a creative thinker and was an all around player shuttling from half backs to half forwards via mid-field, he is getting involved at a good age, Wexford are ambitions after their resurgence in hurling and a good auld rebel fits the bill. That he is a dual player will do him no harm there and hopefully he gete them competing at a level that pays dividends within his 2 year contract.
One wonders if the code will compete with the current small ball wave and hopefully they looked at this before committing. Sure it is only a skip down the motorway anyway and they deserve our good wishes for all he gave us.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 2, 2019 21:17:34 GMT
Mayo - players and supporters - rage against the dying of the light There was a time to plant and a time to harvest. Will Castlebar signal the end of the long running Green and Red season? about 7 hours ago John Cuffe
Football won’t end this Mayo team. Physiology will. That and old age. The 2011 All Ireland semi-finals heralded a new age in football. Jim McGuinness changed the game as we knew it. Dublin broke the 1995 mould and Kerry blew a final that they never really recovered from.
Mayo were in that mix. Dublin with six, Donegal and Kerry one apiece were to hoover up all the All-Ireland titles since. Mayo were the constant outlier. In successive years they knocked out Cork, Dublin, Donegal, the previous year’s All-Ireland champions. Also a sequence was in place: to win the All-Ireland you had to take out Mayo in the final or semi-final. That pattern lasted up to 2017.
The Dublin team from 2011 have lost eight of the starting 15, of the six forwards only Bernard Brogan - and recently the returned Diarmuid Connolly - even panellists. The entire Kerry team is gone; indeed, only four remain from their 2014 vintage. Four of the 2011 Donegal team remain. Eleven of the losing semi-final starters and subs are still in the current Mayo squad. Cut that year from the 2011 squad was Tom Parsons, who if fit would also be available for selection this weekend.
Looking at the current Mayo team we can break it into three sections. The rump, the oldies from 2001, ‘04, ‘05, ‘06 and ‘09 onwards. Two groups, one added since 2014 in the personae of Diarmuid O’Connor, Paddy Durkin, Brendan Harrison the main stickers, allied to the second group tentatively hoping to bloom which includes Eoin O’Donoghue, Steven Coen, Stephen Drake, Fionn McDonagh, Matthew Ruane and for fleeting moments the likes of Ciarán Treacy and James Carr.
When the rump detaches itself from the core, it will bring the rest down with it. Unlike Dublin, Donegal and Kerry, Mayo choose not to replenish to the same degree.
In Donegal one McHugh was replaced with another seamlessly. In Dublin one of the greatest footballers ever chose a gap year of sorts before re-emerging as a summer twist. Diarmuid Connolly’s loss was an opportunity for the Scully’s and O Callaghan’s of the camp. Mayo have been trying to integrate the likes of Evan Reagan into the team since 2012 and failing.
James Horan MK1 freshened a tired squad. In the shake-up, out went the likes of Parsons, who would miss Mayo’s subsequent next two All-Ireland finals. A shape and pattern merged, fine tuned by the coaching skills of Cian O’Neill and in particular, Donie Buckley.
Four finals prove that a lot of the boxes were ticked. Horan MK2 will be defined by the next match. Winning an improbable league title suggested that the sight of silver could actually lead to a bigger pot. The arrival of four useful prospects, three in the troublesome forward line even fooled old skeptics like me.
Something happened though. One of those Mayo mirages hit the camp. A glut of wides against New York was explained away as blowing dirty oil clear. Roscommon, though, landed the punch that brought Mayo back to a hard earth. And since then injury, mileage and a lack of belief in the kids has knocked Mayo off the rails.
Although the return of Diarmuid O’Connor is welcome, his absence on current form did not prove fatal. Like his brother, the captaincy robbed something from his soul. The loss of Ruane was a real blow and that’s where the injury to the second O’Connor shook the Mayo faithful.
With the replacement around the middle depending on the return of Séamus O’Shea, Donie Vaughan or a miracle in Parsons, it’s plain that Mayo didn’t plant enough saplings when they should have.
It would be churlish, though, not to admire a pluck and guts not always accorded to Mayo teams. Despite crucifying defeats and outlandish ill-luck and decision making, the Green and Red have been ignoring the writers and naysayers, prophesying their demise since 2014.
Refusing to submit until, as I said at the outset, age and injury force the knee to the ground. Donegal may or may not be that crucible. The delicious irony of last year’s Mayo manager Stephen Rochford, who did the county some service, now in Donegal favours coming back to his home county against his own, may yet provoke one final slash from the sword, one last great bucket from the well before it runs dry.
This era reminds me of Leeds United 1965-75: flaky keepers, bad luck, blowing finals and league titles for fun but just when everyone wrote them off they went and ran away with the 1974 League title, going the first 28 matches undefeated and leading Stoke 2-0 before losing 3-2 to end that great run.
Such was the effort and energy expended that was Leeds’s high water mark. The slide came and the older players had remained too long. United were damned. Here’s hoping Mayo aren’t.
* John Cuffe is a life-long Mayo supporter and author of ‘Inside the Monkey House - My time as an Irish prison officer,’ published by Collins Press.
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Post by sullyschoice on Aug 3, 2019 8:03:49 GMT
S bit of shadow boxing in Omagh as Mickey Joe Harte has made 15 changes to the last days team and panel.
Dublin doing similar. Connolly named on matchday 26.
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