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Post by Hicser on Jul 13, 2019 8:29:18 GMT
It was fair until Dublin started winning, No, eternal home advantage wasn't fair in the past either. Also, with 28 senior titles, Dublin haven't just started winning. To make it really fair then we should make 32 equal teams, Kerry won loads of All Ireland’s playing 4 games, |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 13, 2019 8:39:15 GMT
No, eternal home advantage wasn't fair in the past either. Also, with 28 senior titles, Dublin haven't just started winning. To make it really fair then we should make 32 equal teams, Kerry won loads of All Ireland’s playing 4 games, It's mad we haven't made four provinces of eight. |
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Post by hatchetman on Jul 13, 2019 9:03:00 GMT
Them Brits have a lot to answer for!
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Post by Hicser on Jul 13, 2019 10:01:04 GMT
Them Brits have a lot to answer for! 😂 |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 13, 2019 18:03:46 GMT
In order to win the All Ireland from now- Dublin have to play 4 home games and 1 away game. Everyone else will have to play 1 home game and 4 games away from from home. Hardly an equitable system in fairness It was fair until Dublin started winning, Do you mean a time when Dublin’s player their home league games in Parnell? Funny how Dublin fans always leave out so many of the facts just so they can make some stupid throw away comment |
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Post by Hicser on Jul 13, 2019 22:48:20 GMT
It was fair until Dublin started winning, Do you mean a time when Dublin’s player their home league games in Parnell? Funny how Dublin fans always leave out so many of the facts just so they can make some stupid throw away comment [brI was posting in jest, They fact is there is bias in every county, Cork are at a negative because they focus on Hurling, same with Galway. Kerry hurlers are brilliant, pound for pound better then Dublin. We are now screaming for Cork to give us a challenge, not so long ago we bemoaned Dublin’s demise, So big crowds make money for investments in small clubs. My experience is that the money goes everywhere, |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2019 16:42:48 GMT
So James horan you think ye should have beaten us by 10-12 points in league final? Well how do you like those apples?
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 15, 2019 14:15:59 GMT
Thought Tomas O Se's comment last night was interesting - why should the provincial winners have to concede home advantage when they meet any team that comes through the qualifiers. The reward for winning your province should be home games - I would add the right to wear your county colours in the event of a clash of colours.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 15, 2019 14:47:50 GMT
Thought Tomas O Se's comment last night was interesting - why should the provincial winners have to concede home advantage when they meet any team that comes through the qualifiers. The reward for winning your province should be home games - I would add the right to wear your county colours in the event of a clash of colours. Dublin would have 3 home games going by Tomas. Ridiculous suggestion in my view. Kerry and Dublin have it handy enough as it is as winning the provincial title is easier. This gives proper gaps between games unlike the teams coming through the qualifiers. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 15, 2019 15:53:14 GMT
Thought Tomas O Se's comment last night was interesting - why should the provincial winners have to concede home advantage when they meet any team that comes through the qualifiers. The reward for winning your province should be home games - I would add the right to wear your county colours in the event of a clash of colours. Dublin would have 3 home games going by Tomas. Ridiculous suggestion in my view. Kerry and Dublin have it handy enough as it is as winning the provincial title is easier. This gives proper gaps between games unlike the teams coming through the qualifiers. There is also a chasm in the logic that provincial winners have three home games... I think the mix is correct for the moment. |
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 16, 2019 20:39:39 GMT
John Horan has ways to go before shedding ‘Dublin John’ tag
GAA president supposed to be above the fray, but perception is that he is anything but
Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 06:00 Updated: Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 10:34
Malachy Clerkin
Fadó, fadó, in another life and another job, a couple of workplace colleagues had a beef. It never really came to a head in any significant way. It was more just a kind of simmering crockpot of passive aggression with lots of exaggerated sighs and just-about bitten lips. It was an odd one because they were both entirely placid souls with everyone else. They just seemed to trip a wire in each other, often over very little.
One of them did himself an injury playing five-a-side one time and came into work on crutches. It was a bad one, maybe an Achilles or even a cruciate. One way or the other, he had to cart himself around the place on his sticks for a few weeks, hobbling about like Tiny Tim Cratchit.
He got up from his seat at one point early on in his recovery and all eyes turned to his adversary for a reaction as he limped away. He rolled his eyes and gave a tight smile. “Christ, even his f**king crutches are annoying.”
John Horan must feel at times like he has reached a similar point with the GAA public. His throwaway line last week about how “a Dublin game is generally on a Saturday night” is by no means the most offensive remark ever to have fallen from a GAA official’s mouth. In Horan’s mind, it will have been no more than a simple statement of fact and he almost certainly didn’t give it a second thought until it started to blow up midweek.
The GAA is for everyone. That’s the beauty of it, that’s what has sustained it above all
But we are where we are. Horan is the first Dublin president of the GAA in 96 years and, rightly or wrongly, it has become a thing. It feels as if almost on a weekly basis now, he irritates the general GAA populace by saying the wrong thing about Dublin. In an association where the dice are loaded by nature, by population and all the rest of it, it’s not a good look for the box man to appear compromised.
The GAA is for everyone. That’s the beauty of it, that’s what has sustained it above all. When faith in that ebbs, something vital goes. It’s unfair to place the burden of that on Horan but when you put yourself forward for a role that is symbolic above all, you can’t pretend not to understand how symbolism works.
In general, people know two things about Horan – that he is the GAA president and that he is from Dublin. The nature of public life means, of course, that people are predisposed to imagine him compromised, regardless of whether he is or not. He knew this from the start; he even said as much this week last year.
News of the week back then was that Donegal were starting off the process for bringing a motion to congress that would deal with Dublin getting to play two games in Croke Park in the Super-8s. When Horan was asked about it, he tried to pick his steps carefully.
There was no real reason for anyone to think of his as having any shade of anything on his back at that stage
“It all depends on which side you’re coming from,” he said. “And no matter what I say in that debate it’s always going to be seen I’m going to say something with a bit of a shade of blue on my back,” he said.
It was an attempt to come across as high minded and neutral, but it just made things worse. There was no real reason for anyone to think of his as having any shade of anything on his back at that stage. He had been GAA president for only a few months and beyond the eternal background funding stuff, there had been no particular issue for him to address yet. Certainly nothing that would pit the interests of Dublin GAA against the broader good.
Indeed, this was a perfect opportunity for Horan. Nobody with any sense of natural justice thinks it’s fair for Dublin to be playing two games at home in the Super-8s. There is no justice in another county – this year it will be Roscommon, last year it was Donegal – having to play two games in a place where their opposition plays at home. This is clear to everyone who takes a minute to reason it out.
Imagine what people would think of Horan now if he had simply pointed this out when asked. If he had proposed a small change to the wording of the rule, giving each team a home game, an away game and a neutral game rather than a Croke Park game. It would have sailed through congress and right from the outset Horan would have chipped away ever so slightly at the Dublin John tag.
It would have been the smallest, easiest win imaginable. And it would have marked him out as a president for everyone. He would obviously argue that’s what he is but we’re not talking about his day-to-day work here. We’re talking about perception.
“When has this developed?” he went on to ask in the same press conference last year. “I would ask who is driving that perception. Dublin have been playing in Croke Park for a long number of years now and all of a sudden one issue over the Super-8s has kicked all of this off.”
The real pity of it is that there has never been a better time to have a Dublin president of the GAA
It doesn’t matter that he’s not necessarily wrong. What matters is the perception. He’s supposed to be above the fray, it’s supposed to be no skin off his nose one way or the other. But instead of taking a small stand that would have had a big ripple effect, he co-opted the same arguments as any bar stool jackeen would.
The real pity of it is that there has never been a better time to have a Dublin president of the GAA. Simply because of his background, Horan could change so much about how the association is perceived. The endless push-me-pull-you over funding, the Super-8s, pooling of sponsorship money, anything he put his mind to.
A president from any other county won’t have the same fair wind behind him if he tries to correct some of the imbalances that naturally occur. Had Horan decided to do that from the start – and made a virtue of it rather than trying to talk around it – nobody would be giving a second thought to what shade of colour he has on his back.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 16, 2019 21:04:14 GMT
John Horan has shown himself to be a bit of a sham artist.
Akin to an independent TD somehow ending up as Taoiseach - he has just pushed a 'grab all for my constituency' agenda
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Post by ballhopper34 on Jul 16, 2019 21:06:53 GMT
John Horan has shown himself to be a bit of a sham artist. Akin to an independent TD somehow ending up as Taoiseach - he has just pushed a 'grab all for my constituency' agenda Excellent...might as well have Bertie as GAA President. |
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 17, 2019 8:00:14 GMT
Wednesday, July 17, 2019 - 05:55 AM
GAA director general Tom Ryan has described as “incorrect and premature” comments by Croke Park stadium director Peter McKenna that the final cost of redeveloping Páirc Uí Chaoimh had escalated to €110m.
In a statement read by the GAA director general at last month’s Central Council meeting, it was acknowledged the interview given by McKenna to the Irish Examiner last December was “ill-advised and created a negative view of the stadium project”.
Ryan also expressed regret for the reputational damage incurred by members of the Páirc Uí Chaoimh steering committee as a result of McKenna’s comments.
On December 14 last year, McKenna told the Irish Examiner that “we’re probably close to €110m as a final cost” for the Páirc Uí Chaoimh rebuild. He was speaking in the wake of confirmation that Croke Park had taken over the running of the Cork stadium.
McKenna remarked that “in order to stem the debt or put a shape to it, we needed an experienced management team involved. I think if it wasn’t an aligned set-up, you’d be talking about a receivership or something like that.”
Páirc Uí Chaoimh board member Michael O’Flynn, after a thorough examination of the relevant audited accounts, has since put the final cost of the stadium at €95.8m.
Following a meeting between GAA president John Horan, director general Tom Ryan, and Cork Central Council delegate Bob Ryan, the latter serving as Páirc Uí Chaoimh stadium manager for a period, it was agreed the following statement would be read at last month’s Central Council gathering.
“The GAA greatly regrets any reputational impacts suffered by members of the steering committee of Páirc Uí Chaoimh and the Páirc Uí Chaoimh project itself arising from an interview with Peter McKenna in the Irish Examiner, published on December 14 of last year.
“The article and its timing were ill-advised given that negotiations with a number of contractors on the project were not finalised. Elements of the article were premature, incorrect, and regrettably, created an extremely negative view of the stadium project and cast a cloud over what was an outstanding achievement by all involved.
“The resulting public and media criticism of those involved in developing the stadium, the members of the steering committee, and Bob Ryan, who chaired that committee and who subsequently acted as the stadium’s operations manager for a period, was an unfortunate and underserved consequence of the incorrect and premature nature of the comments made in the interview.
“On behalf of the Gaelic Athletic Association, I would like to sincerely thank Bob Ryan for his outstanding contribution to the Páirc Uí Chaoimh project.”
Bob Ryan, addressing last night’s Cork county board meeting, said the ramifications of this “unnecessary” interview were “severe”.
“This unnecessary interview, a day before Cork convention, was nothing more, in my opinion, than an ambush, an attempt to discredit members of the steering committee and Cork county board itself,” he said.
The honour and integrity of this great county of Cork was damaged by this interview. Worst of all, the Páirc Uí Chaoimh project was severely damaged by this interview. Another serious aspect of all this was that a senior member of Cumann Lúthchleas Gael would go into the public arena and give an interview of this kind with so many inaccuracies.
Cork’s Central Council delegate stressed the need for protocols to be put in place to ensure this doesn’t happen again.
County board chair Tracey Kennedy made no other comment but to state that she was glad Ryan had achieved “peace of mind” on the matter.
Meanwhile, the pitch specialists awarded the contract of putting down a new surface at Páirc Uí Chaoimh have said an immediate start date is critical to achieving maximum grass growth and ensuring the availability of the pitch for all of Cork’s home league games in 2020.
SIS Pitches Ltd, who begin work next Monday, indicated to the county board that any delay would compromise the possibility of a January opening.
The tender price has come in within the amount allowed in the €95.8m estimate for the overall stadium rebuild.
The complete replacement of the pitch, which has suffered problems since the stadium’s opening, will see a reinforced pitch installed, “bringing it in line with the most up-to-date pitch construction technology and performance available today”, the county board said in a statement.
“We cannot ask our teams and supporters to endure another season where our flagship stadium is unavailable to host the games it was built for, and it is absolutely critical now that we have a high-quality, winter-proof pitch available to host all of the inter-county and club fixtures that we wish to play at Páirc Uí Chaoimh each year,” said Kennedy.
“I acknowledge and share the disappointment of many that our senior footballers cannot play their home All-Ireland quarter-final Phase 3 game against Roscommon in Páirc Uí Chaoimh [on August 4], and if there was any way in which the match could have been accommodated without risk to the future success of the new pitch, it would have been done.”
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 17, 2019 9:04:51 GMT
with the pitch being so near to the river how do they deal with a rising water table in wet weather. I know a man living in an old house near the liffey and the water never comes in the front door in bad weather. Instead it comes up through the floor!
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Post by dc84 on Jul 17, 2019 10:35:44 GMT
Wednesday, July 17, 2019 - 05:55 AM GAA director general Tom Ryan has described as “incorrect and premature” comments by Croke Park stadium director Peter McKenna that the final cost of redeveloping Páirc Uí Chaoimh had escalated to €110m. In a statement read by the GAA director general at last month’s Central Council meeting, it was acknowledged the interview given by McKenna to the Irish Examiner last December was “ill-advised and created a negative view of the stadium project”. Ryan also expressed regret for the reputational damage incurred by members of the Páirc Uí Chaoimh steering committee as a result of McKenna’s comments. On December 14 last year, McKenna told the Irish Examiner that “we’re probably close to €110m as a final cost” for the Páirc Uí Chaoimh rebuild. He was speaking in the wake of confirmation that Croke Park had taken over the running of the Cork stadium. McKenna remarked that “in order to stem the debt or put a shape to it, we needed an experienced management team involved. I think if it wasn’t an aligned set-up, you’d be talking about a receivership or something like that.” Páirc Uí Chaoimh board member Michael O’Flynn, after a thorough examination of the relevant audited accounts, has since put the final cost of the stadium at €95.8m. Following a meeting between GAA president John Horan, director general Tom Ryan, and Cork Central Council delegate Bob Ryan, the latter serving as Páirc Uí Chaoimh stadium manager for a period, it was agreed the following statement would be read at last month’s Central Council gathering. “The GAA greatly regrets any reputational impacts suffered by members of the steering committee of Páirc Uí Chaoimh and the Páirc Uí Chaoimh project itself arising from an interview with Peter McKenna in the Irish Examiner, published on December 14 of last year. “The article and its timing were ill-advised given that negotiations with a number of contractors on the project were not finalised. Elements of the article were premature, incorrect, and regrettably, created an extremely negative view of the stadium project and cast a cloud over what was an outstanding achievement by all involved. “The resulting public and media criticism of those involved in developing the stadium, the members of the steering committee, and Bob Ryan, who chaired that committee and who subsequently acted as the stadium’s operations manager for a period, was an unfortunate and underserved consequence of the incorrect and premature nature of the comments made in the interview. “On behalf of the Gaelic Athletic Association, I would like to sincerely thank Bob Ryan for his outstanding contribution to the Páirc Uí Chaoimh project.” Bob Ryan, addressing last night’s Cork county board meeting, said the ramifications of this “unnecessary” interview were “severe”. “This unnecessary interview, a day before Cork convention, was nothing more, in my opinion, than an ambush, an attempt to discredit members of the steering committee and Cork county board itself,” he said. The honour and integrity of this great county of Cork was damaged by this interview. Worst of all, the Páirc Uí Chaoimh project was severely damaged by this interview. Another serious aspect of all this was that a senior member of Cumann Lúthchleas Gael would go into the public arena and give an interview of this kind with so many inaccuracies. Cork’s Central Council delegate stressed the need for protocols to be put in place to ensure this doesn’t happen again. County board chair Tracey Kennedy made no other comment but to state that she was glad Ryan had achieved “peace of mind” on the matter. Meanwhile, the pitch specialists awarded the contract of putting down a new surface at Páirc Uí Chaoimh have said an immediate start date is critical to achieving maximum grass growth and ensuring the availability of the pitch for all of Cork’s home league games in 2020. SIS Pitches Ltd, who begin work next Monday, indicated to the county board that any delay would compromise the possibility of a January opening. The tender price has come in within the amount allowed in the €95.8m estimate for the overall stadium rebuild. The complete replacement of the pitch, which has suffered problems since the stadium’s opening, will see a reinforced pitch installed, “bringing it in line with the most up-to-date pitch construction technology and performance available today”, the county board said in a statement. “We cannot ask our teams and supporters to endure another season where our flagship stadium is unavailable to host the games it was built for, and it is absolutely critical now that we have a high-quality, winter-proof pitch available to host all of the inter-county and club fixtures that we wish to play at Páirc Uí Chaoimh each year,” said Kennedy. “I acknowledge and share the disappointment of many that our senior footballers cannot play their home All-Ireland quarter-final Phase 3 game against Roscommon in Páirc Uí Chaoimh [on August 4], and if there was any way in which the match could have been accommodated without risk to the future success of the new pitch, it would have been done.” I read that as we need our pitch ready for the hurlers next year |
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Post by glengael on Jul 22, 2019 11:53:33 GMT
Slightly bizarre to see Eamon Fitzmaurice on the Sunday Game last night. He's hardly in a position to give objective analysis on this Kerry team is he?  2 Kerrymen and 1 Dub on the panel. Strange. |
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 23, 2019 8:51:50 GMT
I am always the one given the job of getting tickets probably because that way I am stuck paying for them. Last week I kept a vigilant eye on the internet and pounced when I saw good tickets for the Hogan Stand Lower. I went to print them on Saturday, not always a reliable operation with ink etc. Some of the tickets were for the “never let your smart phone out of your hand” generation. They took over and told me that I did not need to print them, they would flash their phones. I knew that but I wanted to be sure. Anyway, I conceded.
On Sunday morning at the entrance to Jones’ Road I hung back and let the experts go ahead. Security saw black lines on a phone and said we could all go through. At Croke Park the girl was handed a phone, she zapped us all in and gave the phone back to the last person.
Paperless, for the first time.
I am a hoarder. I have a collection of tickets for various events going back decades. Stand tickets from the Kerry 4 in a row, tickets going to see Tony Ward and Liam Brady in Lansdowne Road, even Eamon Coughlin winning the Wanamaker Mile in Madison Square Garden, Springsteen in Slane, Tralee races when they existed, even tickets for unusual journeys and events in foreign parts.
On Sunday evening I left Croke Park having watched a great game. I had a programme but there was something missing. I had nothing to put in that bottom drawer.
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Post by jackiel on Jul 23, 2019 9:31:41 GMT
I am always the one given the job of getting tickets probably because that way I am stuck paying for them. Last week I kept a vigilant eye on the internet and pounced when I saw good tickets for the Hogan Stand Lower. I went to print them on Saturday, not always a reliable operation with ink etc. Some of the tickets were for the “never let your smart phone out of your hand” generation. They took over and told me that I did not need to print them, they would flash their phones. I knew that but I wanted to be sure. Anyway, I conceded. On Sunday morning at the entrance to Jones’ Road I hung back and let the experts go ahead. Security saw black lines on a phone and said we could all go through. At Croke Park the girl was handed a phone, she zapped us all in and gave the phone back to the last person. Paperless, for the first time. I am a hoarder. I have a collection of tickets for various events going back decades. Stand tickets from the Kerry 4 in a row, tickets going to see Tony Ward and Liam Brady in Lansdowne Road, even Eamon Coughlin winning the Wanamaker Mile in Madison Square Garden, Springsteen in Slane, Tralee races when they existed, even tickets for unusual journeys and events in foreign parts. On Sunday evening I left Croke Park having watched a great game. I had a programme but there was something missing. I had nothing to put in that bottom drawer. I'm a bit like that myself, all match and train tickets from my various outings kept with programmes. I inherited some of my Dad's programmes going back to the 70's. Now that I steward in Croke Park I get a programme for each match I work so I've quite a collection built up.I find it hard to throw stuff away, I've only recently got rid of my 31 year old daughters national school reports( had to ring and ask her permission first). |
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Post by southward on Jul 25, 2019 17:49:46 GMT
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 25, 2019 17:56:50 GMT
It's actually very difficult to figure out a fair way of funding Dublin considering its population.
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Post by LodenVor on Jul 27, 2019 1:41:19 GMT
That article is very misleading, given the most recent censuses North and South. A figure of 33% is cited for Dublin's share of the population, but that's wrong for two reasons. First, it actually represents 28% of the Republic's population. Second, but most importantly, the GAA's games development funding covers all of the island, not just the Republic, and Dublin represents just under 20% of that overall population. As such, the games development funding figure of 22% cited in the article actually means that Dublin is overfunded per capita.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jul 28, 2019 14:30:31 GMT
Am I right in believing that you can pay under 20 and senior in hurlng but not football. If so, why.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 28, 2019 14:32:41 GMT
The hurling is still u21, is minor still under 18?
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Post by clarinman on Jul 28, 2019 14:58:20 GMT
The hurling is still u21, is minor still under 18? Hurling is U20 and U17. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 28, 2019 18:58:53 GMT
Am I right in believing that you can pay under 20 and senior in hurlng but not football. If so, why. I am not sure but U-21 hurling used to run concurrently with the senior. IIRC the football U-21 used to run off before the senior. |
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Post by buck02 on Jul 30, 2019 18:07:28 GMT
John Sugrue stepped down as Laois manager.
I wonder would he be approached for the Kerry U20 job? Would he want it given he lives and works in Laois. Would the county board prefer somebody promoted from within the development squad, minor management etc?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 18:17:59 GMT
John Sugrue stepped down as Laois manager. I wonder would he be approached for the Kerry U20 job? Would he want it given he lives and works in Laois. Would the county board prefer somebody promoted from within the development squad, minor management etc? He did well with Laois. It sounds like he is well settled in Laois so unless he was moving closer to Kerry unlikely to be an option. Plenty of places closer to Laois where he could take a role also. |
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Post by ballhopper34 on Jul 30, 2019 23:20:28 GMT
Or maybe JS in a number 2 role with another South Kerry man around the Curragh?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 30, 2019 23:38:35 GMT
Or maybe JS in a number 2 role with another South Kerry man around the Curragh? That would be strange in that Laois are in the same division as Kildare. Maybe JS to Kildare full stop? |
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2 Kerrymen and 1 Dub on the panel. Strange. 
