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Post by Ballyfireside on Oct 16, 2021 20:36:31 GMT
As books go the GAA are goodish - other 'majority' sports have too much 'editorial/legal advice' that takes the fun out of things. PatS pillane's one on 'if Micko asked you, you wouldn't say no' was a classic and sure wasn't he only boasting about it on TV Healey-Rae last week. Jackie Snr would be proud that we haven't lost that common touch and hopefully we blood thickening commoners shall remain, well, common - our county needs us.
Galvin's was good ala 'Ear to the ground' though Taghgeen's only okish ala 'International Haymaker.'
I currently have 4 Moriarty wans bedside -
MOM's Autobiog ala Dun Sion to Croker awesome - just getting it on my 2nd read, he is a wise man, very, nobody's fool - anyone know what he was like on the other side of the line, An Taobh Eile? He looks rangy in uniform.
Owen McCrohan's 'Paddy Mo' is for descriptive historians, not my cuppa.
'NOSTOS' and 'Invoking Ireland' by one John Moriarty, 'Ireland's greatest thinker' - says it all so don't try it at home. A North Kerryman though not acknowledged, MOM is a fan.
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Post by john4 on Oct 17, 2021 18:11:29 GMT
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Post by thehermit on Oct 17, 2021 20:37:23 GMT
Yes, North Kerry, Kerry, all of Ireland has lost a giant of literature.
“Brown bag bulging with faded nothings, A ticket for three pounds one and six To Euston, London, via Holyhead, Young faces limp, misunderstanding, Watch the girl in the wrinkled coat, Her face half-grey Her first time” – Brendan Kennelly, Westland Row
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Post by Ballyfireside on Oct 17, 2021 21:00:56 GMT
Yes, North Kerry, Kerry, all of Ireland has lost a giant of literature. “Brown bag bulging with faded nothings, A ticket for three pounds one and six To Euston, London, via Holyhead, Young faces limp, misunderstanding, Watch the girl in the wrinkled coat, Her face half-grey Her first time” – Brendan Kennelly, Westland Row I was only reading a Houlihan article during the week where Brendan replaced none other than Dwyer of a day and on the spur of the moment didn't Micko have words with him - ironic given the respective backgrounds. I'll root out the piece and put a bit of flesh on things for a more fitting tribute to a very special Kerryman, a North Kerry man, above all a Bally' man - who loved the Dubs! RIP Brendan
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Post by allrounder on Oct 19, 2021 7:39:53 GMT
Kerry GAA Press Release – Tuesday 19th October 2021
On the 4th October last an OTBAM programme was broadcast regarding the appointment of the Kerry Senior Football Manager and the selection process undertaken.
This broadcast and its contents were subsequently brought to the attention of the Kerry County Executive, and it quickly became apparent that it contained false, inaccurate, and untruthful assertions regarding the integrity of the selection process and by extension the five-person sub-committee.
These false and misleading assertions were addressed and dealt with at the Kerry County Committee meeting held on Monday evening 4th October 2021 during which the Chairman comprehensively rebutted such erroneous assertions and outlined the actual context and background to the selection process.
Following this meeting the Kerry County Executive communicated to OTBAM their abhorrence that such false, misleading, and untruthful assertions were made during the broadcast.
OTBAM have since accepted that false assertions were made and have openly acknowledged that a fair, equitable and thorough selection process was undertaken.
The following is the full OTBAM retraction and apology which was broadcast on the OTBAM breakfast online programme earlier this morning and will be broadcast on Newstalk between 7pm and 8pm this evening.
OTBAM Retraction & Apology
“On the 4th October 2021 the OTBAM programme incorrectly reported that Mr. Jack O’Connor had been selected by the County Board to the role of Kerry Football Manager prior to the commencement of the formal selection process and had been given guarantees that he would be appointed before the formal selection process undertaken by Kerry County Board had been concluded.
We accept that those statements were groundless, false, and incorrect and caused distress to the Kerry County Board and to the five members of the sub-committee.
We acknowledge that Mr. O’Connor was not selected or appointed to the role until the conclusion of a thorough selection process.
We apologise unreservedly for the distress and upset caused to the Kerry County Board and to the five members of the sub-committee appointed to select the Kerry football Manager.
At the request of the Kerry County Board a donation has been made by OTB to Recovery Haven Kerry which is a cancer support charity in Kerry.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 19, 2021 7:49:25 GMT
I didnt hear the programme on the 4th but it must have been pretty bad to be worse that the programme on the previous Friday the 1st October.
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Post by thehermit on Oct 19, 2021 8:54:47 GMT
Proper order, but such stuff is typical of the way OTB operates - they are very quick to pick sides on a topic and then set an agenda to see their side of the argument presented in the best possible light.
Objective journalism it most certainly is not - only click bait to get the required retweets and reposts on social media.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Oct 19, 2021 15:12:31 GMT
Proper order, but such stuff is typical of the way OTB operates - they are very quick to pick sides on a topic and then set an agenda to see their side of the argument presented in the best possible light. Objective journalism it most certainly is not - only click bait to get the required retweets and reposts on social media. The last sentence sums them up perfectly. Some of their coverage is decent but Ireland doesn’t have the population or number of sports teams to justify a dedicated sports service so these guys consistently try to manufacture stories
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Post by Ballyfireside on Oct 19, 2021 16:17:49 GMT
We were, maybe many still are, suspicious, as JOC turned on a sixpence re his commitment to the Lillie Whites and burnt his bridge with them once the opening arose - 'who wouldn't want the Manu job, etc' - and then got the gig.
But speculation based on suspicion isn't fact and only those involved know the truth so OTBAM were Off The Head to claim they knew and where they were portraying they had inside information, and so their credibility is now slashed.
It's but an example of the way the world is heading and I wonder if we are past the point of no return - you cannot believe a word anymore and that will only get worse. Then this cancel culture has the pack ambush he who mentions anything that resembles the truth, and we even had that on here.
The bottom line is that we didn't have a lot of options so we ended up with the least worst one. Hopefully JOC will now prove us all wrong and given the talent he has every chance though we are up against it - ah sure 'twas never more exciting, what with the Dubs adamant they haven't gone away, Mayo now closer than ever with new faces, Tyrone after back-to-backs and ourselves licking our wounds as the Kings who just couldn't get over the line. And of course talk like that will suit the Donegals and Monaghans down to the ground.
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Post by veteran on Oct 19, 2021 16:52:46 GMT
Cian O’Neill gone to Galway apparently. Some of these guys do get around.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Oct 19, 2021 16:59:09 GMT
Cian O’Neill gone to Galway apparently. Some of these guys do get around. Poor move by Joyce in my opinion. What is he going to add to them?
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Post by givehimaball on Oct 19, 2021 17:13:11 GMT
Cian O’Neill gone to Galway apparently. Some of these guys do get around. Poor move by Joyce in my opinion. What is he going to add to them? A sop to the Galway footballing side of the house prior to the announcement of Davy and his 30 strong back-room team and what they will cost.
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Post by thehermit on Oct 19, 2021 17:25:07 GMT
Never mind Cian O'Neill, what about Davey going West - the Galway faithful will not like that one bit. There's no love for Davey among the Tribes!
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Post by thehermit on Oct 19, 2021 17:28:36 GMT
Proper order, but such stuff is typical of the way OTB operates - they are very quick to pick sides on a topic and then set an agenda to see their side of the argument presented in the best possible light. Objective journalism it most certainly is not - only click bait to get the required retweets and reposts on social media. The last sentence sums them up perfectly. Some of their coverage is decent but Ireland doesn’t have the population or number of sports teams to justify a dedicated sports service so these guys consistently try to manufacture stories
I only heard it now after going for a run. And the two boyos didn't even have the deceny to read out the statement themselves and put their hands up and say, 'look we maybe used a source than in hindsight was not trustworthy and it made us give a false narrative to events'.
Instead they went for an add break and had a per-recording of the apology played out and when they resumed the show made absolutely no reference to it. Personally I think that just summed it all up for me as regards what they were trying to do.
If you can't even man up to a mistake, then how can you be trusted as an impartial, objective platform for sports journalism.
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Post by wideball on Oct 19, 2021 17:42:35 GMT
Didn't wooly have a similar story to OTB? Or did I imagine that?
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Post by hurlingman on Oct 19, 2021 18:17:00 GMT
While i have been critical in of the CB in recent times i'm glad they've got to hold Off the Hold to account. They're content etc has been going downhill for the last few years, much of it their own fault for tryng to have 24 hour coverage, to the point where i don't listen to them anymore.
It may be a warning to other journalists who feel like they can do and say anything they want to/
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Post by dc84 on Oct 19, 2021 18:52:57 GMT
I would nt be a huge fan of Cian Ó Néill football wise. Good fitness wise but not a fan football wise. I actually think Cork went backwards with him. His best days were "Newbridge or Nowhere". On Davy and Galway. I think Davy might have hit the jackpot. Galway have talent and there s always a bounce in Davy first year. I think Davy is great for about two years and then bye bye. I do think though this might work for Galway. If he gets the buy in thats the big thing with Davy , I think it worked previously for him as the counties he went into were at a low ebb or desperate. I think it might turn out to be a disaster for him personally Galway can be funny place for outsiders lot of politics up there...
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Post by thehermit on Oct 19, 2021 19:08:49 GMT
If he gets the buy in thats the big thing with Davy , I think it worked previously for him as the counties he went into were at a low ebb or desperate. I think it might turn out to be a disaster for him personally Galway can be funny place for outsiders lot of politics up there... That's the thing and add in the border rivalry between Clare and Galway that we sometimes forget.
It was a bit of a disaster the last time a Clare man went across the county bounds, and Davy would have said plenty about Galway as an opposing manager down the years.
Personally I'm a Davy fan so I think it will cause great fireworks which is what half of sport is all about
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 19, 2021 19:48:08 GMT
Galway have won about 6 of the last 11 minor titles so they must have lots of very good hurlers in their 20s.
Hurling needs another team to challenge Limerick.
The club rivalry is huge in Galway.
Davy probably got the best out what players he had at his disposal in Waterford and Wexford. Even though he won the all ireland with Clare in 2013, you get the feeling that there was more in them and it fell to pieces towards the end.
I imagine Supermacs had a say too in this appointment.
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Post by mossie on Oct 19, 2021 19:51:19 GMT
Galway have won about 6 of the last 11 minor titles so they must have lots of very good hurlers in their 20s. Hurling needs another team to challenge Limerick. The club rivalry is huge in Galway. Davy probably got the best out what players he had at his disposal in Waterford and Wexford. Even though he won the all ireland with Clare in 2013, you get the feeling that there was more in them and it fell to pieces towards the end. I imagine Supermacs had a say too in this appointment. the minor success is just a little false, Galway have no provincal hurdles to negotiate , in the long run Galway be better off in Leinster minor\under 17
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Post by horsebox77 on Oct 19, 2021 19:55:36 GMT
Well the toxic dressing room instigator is now gone, so maybe Davy now has a blank canvass to work with, I like Davy, I like what he’s about. He gets the best of players and invariably get the best in year one. Lot of talk of old banner team mates and highly experienced Clare men joining his ticket
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Post by thehermit on Oct 19, 2021 21:07:51 GMT
Toxic dressing room instigator?!! Horse I hope your not referring to one of the greatest men to ever wield a caman!
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Post by Ballyfireside on Oct 20, 2021 0:02:33 GMT
Laois hardly trouble us so Kerrymen managing them not such an issue, though Micko with Kildare was 'interesting', but 'tis a very fine line between Clare and Galway hurling territories - blood will be boiling.
Both dual counties and Galway is an interesting one GAA wise - lots of soccer in the city and then you have Connaught Rugby.
How hard it must be on players to know they will only go so far - I don't think we'd even turn up if we were that far away - we did not field a hurling team a while back while Cats failed to show for a big ball competition.
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Post by dc84 on Oct 20, 2021 9:40:17 GMT
If he gets the buy in thats the big thing with Davy , I think it worked previously for him as the counties he went into were at a low ebb or desperate. I think it might turn out to be a disaster for him personally Galway can be funny place for outsiders lot of politics up there... That's the thing and add in the border rivalry between Clare and Galway that we sometimes forget.
It was a bit of a disaster the last time a Clare man went across the county bounds, and Davy would have said plenty about Galway as an opposing manager down the years.
Personally I'm a Davy fan so I think it will cause great fireworks which is what half of sport is all about I'm the same the hurling championship would be a lesser place without him he is box office
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 20, 2021 17:36:09 GMT
Henry Shefflin rumoured to be the new Galway manager.
Wow
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Post by thehermit on Oct 20, 2021 17:51:29 GMT
You said it, never thought he'd manage against his beloved Cats but maybe he initially thought Cody would have stepped away by now and seeing as that hasn't happened he's anxious to move his career on regardless.
It will be intriguing, all we need now is Davey to appear somewhere else but where? I think Dublin have their man in place. That was the most likely parish I assumed Davey would turn up in.
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Post by givehimaball on Oct 20, 2021 18:11:26 GMT
You said it, never thought he'd manage against his beloved Cats but maybe he initially thought Cody would have stepped away by now and seeing as that hasn't happened he's anxious to move his career on regardless. It will be intriguing , all we need now is Davey to appear somewhere else but where? I think Dublin have their man in place. That was the most likely parish I assumed Davey would turn up in. There's no vacancies at any of the Liam McCarthy counties this year. Even next year the opportunities are likely to be fairly slim - Dublin is probably his best bet - can't seem him ever getting the Cork/Kilkenny/Tipperary manager's job. Lohan has the Clare job until the end 2024 and even then I wouldn't fancy Davy's chance of getting the Clare job again given the divisions in the county. I'd say there is a serious possibility Davy might be done as Liam McCarthy manager.
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Post by thehermit on Oct 20, 2021 19:44:08 GMT
God I hope not, I still think he has a lot to offer a county that's the right fit. One All Ireland would be a poor return for his talents on the sideline.
But you are right about the options, no way Cork would ever go outside the county, neither the Cats. Tipp would hardly pick a Clareman given that rivalry too.
Dublin seem like an ideal fit. I think the Fitzgerald's have burnt a few too many bridges now for Davey to return to Clare.
Would he go back to the Dessie? Though they won't be looking for anyone for a while, Liam Cahill is doing a good job there.
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Post by horsebox77 on Oct 20, 2021 20:14:02 GMT
I’m the first to admit, I’m not a hurling man, I’ve always been a huge Davy Fitz fan, would he ever consider the likes of a Kerry or is that level beneath him?
He doesn’t come across as an egotistical character but would his capabilities be wasted not being utilized at Liam McCarthy level
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Post by keane on Oct 20, 2021 20:27:20 GMT
I’m the first to admit, I’m not a hurling man, I’ve always been a huge Davy Fitz fan, would he ever consider the likes of a Kerry or is that level beneath him? He doesn’t come across as an egotistical character but would his capabilities be wasted not being utilized at Liam McCarthy level
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