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Post by gamechanger10 on Apr 14, 2019 17:44:46 GMT
Thanks for the update pintpleasejohn
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Post by ballhopper34 on Apr 14, 2019 18:49:58 GMT
Results from 13/14 April:
Group 1: Austin Stacks 1-14 Kilcummin 1-2; Dingle 1-14 Kenmare 0-15
Stacks lead the group with 4 points, Dingle and Kenmare on two each, Kilcummin 0 points.
Next week sees Kenmare host Austin Stacks and Kilcummin host Dingle.
Group 2: Rathmore 1-9 Dr. Crokes 1-7; Killarney Legion 0-11 Kerins O'Rahilly's 1-6
All 4 teams on 2 points with one round to go...Kerins O'Rahilly's host Dr. Crokes and Rathmore host Killarney Legion.
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Post by clarinman on Apr 14, 2019 20:43:53 GMT
Poor game in Direen. 5 points each at half time after legion played with a strong wind. Rahillys goaled midway through second half to lead by 2 points. Game looked over shortly after when Damien o Sullivan was red carded for legion. However shortly after Jack savage went on a second yellow. Legion finished stronger scoring the last 4 points.
Very few players stood out. For legion James o Donohue got 2 good points in first half, Lyne played well, Doherty was good half back, Kelly made 2 good saves in first half. Cormac Coffey did a good job on James and scored a good point himself. Walsh and Moran did not play. Gavin o Brien played 50 minutes, played a big part in the goal but was quiet otherwise. Barry John missed 2 good point chances in the second half. Jack savage seems more interesting in getting into bother than playing football. Pity because he has lots of talent.
It was frustrating that both teams did not use the strong wind. For much of the second half Rahillys had one forward inside the attacking 45. Legion were not much better in the first half. With big wind advantage both teams persisted with short kickouts and lateral/backwards handpassing. We are coaching a generation of players who look first for the simple handpass rather than the more effective kickpass forward. It is so frustrating to see a player look backwards first when taking a free/line ball.
Finally we had a referee who was clearly out of his depth and this led to a very niggly game due to frustration with the referees decisions. Stephen stack was sent off the legion sideline and this held up the game as he took 2/3 minutes to exit the playing area. The referee gave Rahillys a 13m free in the first half for a foul in the large square. Should have been a penalty. In the second half he signalled a penalty for the legion when a Rahillys player touched the ball on the ground in the large square but outside the small box. Referee then changed his mind when a umpire seemed to explain the rule to him. Surely we deserve better than this in senior club championship games.
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Post by kerryboyo on Apr 14, 2019 21:50:48 GMT
Poor game in Direen. 5 points each at half time after legion played with a strong wind. Rahillys goaled midway through second half to lead by 2 points. Game looked over shortly after when Damien o Sullivan was red carded for legion. However shortly after Jack savage went on a second yellow. Legion finished stronger scoring the last 4 points. Very few players stood out. For legion James o Donohue got 2 good points in first half, Lyne played well, Doherty was good half back, Kelly made 2 good saves in first half. Cormac Coffey did a good job on James and scored a good point himself. Walsh and Moran did not play. Gavin o Brien played 50 minutes, played a big part in the goal but was quiet otherwise. Barry John missed 2 good point chances in the second half. Jack savage seems more interesting in getting into bother than playing football. Pity because he has lots of talent. It was frustrating that both teams did not use the strong wind. For much of the second half Rahillys had one forward inside the attacking 45. Legion were not much better in the first half. With big wind advantage both teams persisted with short kickouts and lateral/backwards handpassing. We are coaching a generation of players who look first for the simple handpass rather than the more effective kickpass forward. It is so frustrating to see a player look backwards first when taking a free/line ball. Finally we had a referee who was clearly out of his depth and this led to a very niggly game due to frustration with the referees decisions. Stephen stack was sent off the legion sideline and this held up the game as he took 2/3 minutes to exit the playing area. The referee gave Rahillys a 13m free in the first half for a foul in the large square. Should have been a penalty. In the second half he signalled a penalty for the legion when a Rahillys player touched the ball on the ground in the large square but outside the small box. Referee then changed his mind when a umpire seemed to explain the rule to him. Surely we deserve better than this in senior club championship games. ya BJK Has Gone Way Back not as influential as he was previously |
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Post by onlykerry on Apr 15, 2019 9:27:13 GMT
Poor game in Direen. 5 points each at half time after legion played with a strong wind. Rahillys goaled midway through second half to lead by 2 points. Game looked over shortly after when Damien o Sullivan was red carded for legion. However shortly after Jack savage went on a second yellow. Legion finished stronger scoring the last 4 points. Very few players stood out. For legion James o Donohue got 2 good points in first half, Lyne played well, Doherty was good half back, Kelly made 2 good saves in first half. Cormac Coffey did a good job on James and scored a good point himself. Walsh and Moran did not play. Gavin o Brien played 50 minutes, played a big part in the goal but was quiet otherwise. Barry John missed 2 good point chances in the second half. Jack savage seems more interesting in getting into bother than playing football. Pity because he has lots of talent. It was frustrating that both teams did not use the strong wind. For much of the second half Rahillys had one forward inside the attacking 45. Legion were not much better in the first half. With big wind advantage both teams persisted with short kickouts and lateral/backwards handpassing. We are coaching a generation of players who look first for the simple handpass rather than the more effective kickpass forward. It is so frustrating to see a player look backwards first when taking a free/line ball. Finally we had a referee who was clearly out of his depth and this led to a very niggly game due to frustration with the referees decisions. Stephen stack was sent off the legion sideline and this held up the game as he took 2/3 minutes to exit the playing area. The referee gave Rahillys a 13m free in the first half for a foul in the large square. Should have been a penalty. In the second half he signalled a penalty for the legion when a Rahillys player touched the ball on the ground in the large square but outside the small box. Referee then changed his mind when a umpire seemed to explain the rule to him. Surely we deserve better than this in senior club championship games. Ref was out of his depth - inept is the kindest description I can find. Thankfully he did not impact the result, rather he aided and abetted a very poor game of football where he was as inconsistent as the Irish weather, lacked an understanding of the rules and generally contributed to a niggly game. Does Kerry GAA have referee monitors at games? On the Stephen Stack dismissal, he sent him from the sideline but Stephen then took up residence at the dressing room end still pitch side and proceeded to shout instructions from the end Rahillys were defending - another example of the ref not doing his job right. |
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Post by onlykerry on Apr 15, 2019 10:47:11 GMT
How are groups decided if (as is very likely) teams finish with the same points? Is it the head to head games or scoring difference or even a play off - anybody know what happens.
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Post by greengold35 on Apr 15, 2019 11:39:31 GMT
How are groups decided if (as is very likely) teams finish with the same points? Is it the head to head games or scoring difference or even a play off - anybody know what happens. Where two teams finish level on points it’s the head to head result that counts; where mor than two are level, scoring difference comes into play. |
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Post by onlykerry on Apr 15, 2019 13:03:03 GMT
How are groups decided if (as is very likely) teams finish with the same points? Is it the head to head games or scoring difference or even a play off - anybody know what happens. Where two teams finish level on points it’s the head to head result that counts; where mor than two are level, scoring difference comes into play. So in group 1 the winner of Stacks and Kenmare progress to the final with the Dingle v Kilcummin having the loser going to the relegation play off. Group 2 is totally open with each team capable of making the final and each team still facing the possibility of the relegation game. |
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Post by clarinman on Apr 15, 2019 13:14:48 GMT
Where two teams finish level on points it’s the head to head result that counts; where mor than two are level, scoring difference comes into play. So in group 1 the winner of Stacks and Kenmare progress to the final with the Dingle v Kilcummin having the loser going to the relegation play off. Group 2 is totally open with each team capable of making the final and each team still facing the possibility of the relegation game. Dingle can still theoretically make the final if they beat kilcummin and Kenmare beat stacks but it would need a big swing in points difference. Well done to the county board on changing the order of the fixtures to ensure there will be no dead rubbers in round 3. Should make for an exciting weekend. |
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Post by onlykerry on Apr 15, 2019 13:43:28 GMT
So in group 1 the winner of Stacks and Kenmare progress to the final with the Dingle v Kilcummin having the loser going to the relegation play off. Group 2 is totally open with each team capable of making the final and each team still facing the possibility of the relegation game. Dingle can still theoretically make the final if they beat kilcummin and Kenmare beat stacks but it would need a big swing in points difference. Well done to the county board on changing the order of the fixtures to ensure there will be no dead rubbers in round 3. Should make for an exciting weekend. Dingle need a 16 pt swing to make the final - however a Dingle victory would be great news for Stacks provided the 16 pt swing does not happen as this would mean even if they lose to Kenmare that the 3 way tie would mean scoring difference would decide matters (where Stacks have a big advantage at present). Kilcummin need a big win over Dingle to avoid the relegation game so they look like having little to play for realistically. Group 1 games scheduled for Sunday at 2.30 and Group 2 are on Saturday evening at 18.30 |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Apr 15, 2019 14:37:08 GMT
Poor game in Direen. 5 points each at half time after legion played with a strong wind. Rahillys goaled midway through second half to lead by 2 points. Game looked over shortly after when Damien o Sullivan was red carded for legion. However shortly after Jack savage went on a second yellow. Legion finished stronger scoring the last 4 points. Very few players stood out. For legion James o Donohue got 2 good points in first half, Lyne played well, Doherty was good half back, Kelly made 2 good saves in first half. Cormac Coffey did a good job on James and scored a good point himself. Walsh and Moran did not play. Gavin o Brien played 50 minutes, played a big part in the goal but was quiet otherwise. Barry John missed 2 good point chances in the second half. Jack savage seems more interesting in getting into bother than playing football. Pity because he has lots of talent. It was frustrating that both teams did not use the strong wind. For much of the second half Rahillys had one forward inside the attacking 45. Legion were not much better in the first half. With big wind advantage both teams persisted with short kickouts and lateral/backwards handpassing. We are coaching a generation of players who look first for the simple handpass rather than the more effective kickpass forward. It is so frustrating to see a player look backwards first when taking a free/line ball. Finally we had a referee who was clearly out of his depth and this led to a very niggly game due to frustration with the referees decisions. Stephen stack was sent off the legion sideline and this held up the game as he took 2/3 minutes to exit the playing area. The referee gave Rahillys a 13m free in the first half for a foul in the large square. Should have been a penalty. In the second half he signalled a penalty for the legion when a Rahillys player touched the ball on the ground in the large square but outside the small box. Referee then changed his mind when a umpire seemed to explain the rule to him. Surely we deserve better than this in senior club championship games. Ref was out of his depth - inept is the kindest description I can find. Thankfully he did not impact the result, rather he aided and abetted a very poor game of football where he was as inconsistent as the Irish weather, lacked an understanding of the rules and generally contributed to a niggly game. Does Kerry GAA have referee monitors at games? On the Stephen Stack dismissal, he sent him from the sideline but Stephen then took up residence at the dressing room end still pitch side and proceeded to shout instructions from the end Rahillys were defending - another example of the ref not doing his job right. I didn’t make it yesterday, thankfully. How was he out of his depth? With stephen stack involved- I’m gona go out on a limb and say there was a lot of off the ball stuff goin on |
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Post by clarinman on Apr 16, 2019 20:08:34 GMT
Dingle can still theoretically make the final if they beat kilcummin and Kenmare beat stacks but it would need a big swing in points difference. Well done to the county board on changing the order of the fixtures to ensure there will be no dead rubbers in round 3. Should make for an exciting weekend. Dingle need a 16 pt swing to make the final - however a Dingle victory would be great news for Stacks provided the 16 pt swing does not happen as this would mean even if they lose to Kenmare that the 3 way tie would mean scoring difference would decide matters (where Stacks have a big advantage at present). Kilcummin need a big win over Dingle to avoid the relegation game so they look like having little to play for realistically. Group 1 games scheduled for Sunday at 2.30 and Group 2 are on Saturday evening at 18.30 I wouldn't say kilcummin have nothing to play for. Kilcummin stay up if they beat dingle and Kenmare beat stacks. Margin of victory won't matter if that transpires. |
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Post by The16thMan on Apr 17, 2019 6:20:53 GMT
So in group two all teams are on 2 points with everything to play for. Should be two close games between Legion, Rathmore and Crokes v KOR. Apparently JOD was an injury doubt v Crokes yet gave White a bad time of it and scored 4 points out of his teams total of 11 v KOR so it will be interesting how he does vs Rathmore in terms of form heading into Championship.
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Post by ballhopper34 on Apr 20, 2019 19:04:29 GMT
Group 2 results from Saturday:
Dr. Crokes 1-18 Kerins O’Rahilly’s 1-14; Killarney Legion 2-12 Rathmore 0-9
Final Table sees both Dr. Crokes and Killarney Legion on 4 points, with Kerins O’Rahilly’s and Rathmore both on 2.
Based on head-head contests, Dr. Crokes progress to the final and Rathmore are in the relegation final.
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Post by A.N. Other on Apr 20, 2019 20:29:44 GMT
Gavin Whyte dislocated his elbow this evening in the game in Tralee
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Post by keane on Apr 20, 2019 21:06:45 GMT
Group 2 results from Saturday: Dr. Crokes 1-18 Kerins O’Rahilly’s 1-14; Killarney Legion 2-12 Rathmore 0-9 Final Table sees both Dr. Crokes and Killarney Legion on 4 points, with Kerins O’Rahilly’s and Rathmore both on 2. Based on head-head contests, Dr. Crokes progress to the final and Rathmore are in the relegation final. I think it's points difference. Legion beat Crokes sure. |
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Post by A.N. Other on Apr 20, 2019 21:12:06 GMT
Crokes beat Legion by a point in Fitzgerald Stadium. It goes on head to head first that’s why they made the final.
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Post by greengold35 on Apr 20, 2019 21:14:20 GMT
Group 2 results from Saturday: Dr. Crokes 1-18 Kerins O’Rahilly’s 1-14; Killarney Legion 2-12 Rathmore 0-9 Final Table sees both Dr. Crokes and Killarney Legion on 4 points, with Kerins O’Rahilly’s and Rathmore both on 2. Based on head-head contests, Dr. Crokes progress to the final and Rathmore are in the relegation final. I think it's points difference. Legion beat Crokes sure. It’s head to head where ONLY two teams are involved, points difference applies to 3 or more teams on the same number of points - as outlined, Dr Crokes will contest the final with Rathmore in the relegation play offs. |
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Post by keane on Apr 20, 2019 21:20:24 GMT
I think it's points difference. Legion beat Crokes sure. It’s head to head where ONLY two teams are involved, points difference applies to 3 or more teams on the same number of points - as outlined, Dr Crokes will contest the final with Rathmore in the relegation play offs. Oh jeez I had it in my head that it was Legion who beat Crokes rather than Rathmore. |
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Post by clarinman on Apr 20, 2019 23:03:16 GMT
Was in rath beg this evening. Legion played with a stiff breeze in the first half but failed to take advantage as they trailed 7-6 at half time. Shane Ryan was very prominent in the first half kicking 3 from play. Spiers was also very good centre forward for Rathmore. Paul Murphy did not tog this evening.
At half time the wind seemed to drop and had little effect in the second half. The game swung in 2 minutes early in the second half when legion goaled twice within 2 minutes. The first from Conor Keane after a glorious long foot pass from James o Donohue. The second from Moriarty after a good run from Conor Keane with 2 dummy solos. After that the legion stretched the lead and held on comfortably. Danny Sheehan stepped up in the second half and reduced Shane Ryan's influence.
James played well, finished with 2 from play. He looks sharper but the explosive pace to get by a defender is still not there. Conor Keane and Thomas Moriarty were good for legion in the second half. Podge Connor and Jonathan Lyne played well as did Billy McGuire who got 2 from play in the first half.
Finally I want to pay credit to Rathmore gaa club. It is always a pleasure to visit their grounds. Numerous stewards there this evening directing traffic before and after the game. Other clubs take note.
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Post by diego on Apr 21, 2019 12:13:49 GMT
Group 2 results from Saturday: Dr. Crokes 1-18 Kerins O’Rahilly’s 1-14; Killarney Legion 2-12 Rathmore 0-9 Final Table sees both Dr. Crokes and Killarney Legion on 4 points, with Kerins O’Rahilly’s and Rathmore both on 2. Based on head-head contests, Dr. Crokes progress to the final and Rathmore are in the relegation final. Tough luck on Legion the way it worked out. Also I think there's a problem when Rathmore are potentially 1 game from being relegated to intermediate a couple of weeks after beating the All-Ireland club finalists. Should be more than 8 senior clubs in my view. |
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Post by ballhopper34 on Apr 21, 2019 15:40:50 GMT
Group 1 results from Sunday:
Austin Stacks 1-16 Kenmare 0-12; Dingle 3-16 Kilcummin 2-6
Austin Stacks win the group with 6 points, Dingle 4, Kenmare Shamrocks 2 and Kilcummin 0.
Austin Stacks and Dr. Crokes will contest the final, with Kilcummin and Rathmore in the relegation decider.
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Post by givehimaball on Apr 21, 2019 19:58:56 GMT
Some one was asking about Chrissie Spiers who is playing with Rathmore a while back. He played with the Derry minors underage apparently. Father a Derryman and his mother a local I've been told.
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Post by givehimaball on Apr 21, 2019 20:19:20 GMT
Also I think there's a problem when Rathmore are potentially 1 game from being relegated to intermediate a couple of weeks after beating the All-Ireland club finalists. And on the other side you have Kilcummin the All-Ireland intermediate champions. One of the two will be relegated to intermediate. Kilcummin won no game and Rathmore won one so to my mind they can have no complaints. I think it just shows how prestigous being a senior club in Kerry is and how fiercely competitive is to get and keep senior status. For me this is a plus. In lots of other counties, it's far easier for clubs to maintain their senior status (I think the saddest of all is across the county bounds where under their new championship structure ,they will be calling the second tier Senior A, the third tier Premier Intermediate and the fourth tier Intermediate A - talk about being more concerned about status than standards) and I think related to this the standard of club football in these counties is less competitive and poorer as a result. |
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Post by A.N. Other on Apr 21, 2019 21:00:52 GMT
Some one was asking about Chrissie Spiers who is playing with Rathmore a while back. He played with the Derry minors underage apparently. Father a Derryman and his mother a local I've been told. Is it his first year playing with them? He was outstanding in the couple of games I seen him play in, lightening quick. |
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Post by timelyinterception on Apr 21, 2019 21:58:33 GMT
Some one was asking about Chrissie Spiers who is playing with Rathmore a while back. He played with the Derry minors underage apparently. Father a Derryman and his mother a local I've been told. Nope, he met a local girl in Australia and moved home to Kerry with her. In his second year with Rathmore, no connection to the area previously. Been a great addition, terrific player. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 5:25:12 GMT
Stacks to win final
Kilcummin to be relegated
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Apr 23, 2019 6:48:42 GMT
The radio kerry coverage of this championship, and all other grades, has been really poor
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Apr 23, 2019 6:50:48 GMT
Group 2 results from Saturday: Dr. Crokes 1-18 Kerins O’Rahilly’s 1-14; Killarney Legion 2-12 Rathmore 0-9 Final Table sees both Dr. Crokes and Killarney Legion on 4 points, with Kerins O’Rahilly’s and Rathmore both on 2. Based on head-head contests, Dr. Crokes progress to the final and Rathmore are in the relegation final. Tough luck on Legion the way it worked out. Also I think there's a problem when Rathmore are potentially 1 game from being relegated to intermediate a couple of weeks after beating the All-Ireland club finalists. Should be more than 8 senior clubs in my view. I don’t really get the point you are trying to make here- they lost 2 out of 3- there’s no get a bye from relegation because you beat Crokes clause |
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Post by diego on Apr 23, 2019 17:14:05 GMT
Tough luck on Legion the way it worked out. Also I think there's a problem when Rathmore are potentially 1 game from being relegated to intermediate a couple of weeks after beating the All-Ireland club finalists. Should be more than 8 senior clubs in my view. I don’t really get the point you are trying to make here- they lost 2 out of 3- there’s no get a bye from relegation because you beat Crokes clause My point, which i thought was clear enough, was that there should be more than 8 clubs in the senior grade. I would say all 8 including Rathmore and Kilcummin are clearly better than intermediate standard. If Crokes had lost to Rahilly's, which would not have been a major surprise, they would have been in the relegation playoff. Would that not strike you as a bit odd? Surely we could have at least 12 if not 16 clubs for a senior club competition in this county. |
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