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Post by diego on Dec 8, 2019 23:12:04 GMT
Relegation playoff result: Tarbert 1-17 St. Michael's-Foilmore 4-6 AET St. Michaels/Foilmore go from All- Ireland intermediate Champions 2009 to Division 5 in 10 years. Quite a turnaround Were still playing Divison 1 County League and on their own in the County Championship as recently as 2015. This is how things have gone since - September 2015 - Relegation from County League Division 1 confirmed November 2015 - Lose their Senior County Championship status following relegation playoff loss to Austin Stacks September 2016 - Lost Division 2 relegation playoff with Listry by 1-8 to 1-7 August 2017 - Relegation from County League Division 3 confirmed. Finished bottom of table with just 1 point. August 2018 - Finish joint 5th in County League Division 4 with 11 points. December 2019 - Relegated from County League Division 4 following playoff loss 1-17 to 4-6 after extra time to to Tarbert So a bit unlucky to lose 2 relegation playoffs so narrowly. Nearly all of the 2009 team has moved away or retired now, was amazing really to get so many good players coming together at the same time. 1 of those 2009 survivors Padraig King picked up a bad knee injury lately. Still playing good stuff so losing him for the playoff today might have been the difference between staying up and going down in the end. |
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Post by An Bradán on Dec 9, 2019 0:10:02 GMT
Very sad to see St.M/F slide down to div.5 but perhaps it will give them space to regroup and rebuild.
They were a great club team and remarkable for a small, rural club.
Their fate is a lesson for all I suppose and symptomatic of rural decline and depopulation.
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Post by Premier on Dec 9, 2019 9:48:17 GMT
Very sad to see St.M/F slide down to div.5 but perhaps it will give them space to regroup and rebuild. They were a great club team and remarkable for a small, rural club. Their fate is a lesson for all I suppose and symptomatic of rural decline and depopulation. They have lost the majority of their team from 5/6 years ago and it is hard to replace that. They still had 33 named on panel for the Tarbert game which would seem to be a massive outlier compared to the rest of the South Kerry teams. Every other South Kerry team asides from maybe Renard would seem to be in much bigger trouble with regard to numbers |
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Post by tonydorigo on Dec 9, 2019 11:44:16 GMT
How are Renard in a good place with numbers compared to everyone else?
Also, shocking to see Sneem/Derrynane getting such a trimming by Valentia in the South Kerry Championship.
Things must be really back for them. No offence to Valentia!
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Post by Premier on Dec 9, 2019 15:21:10 GMT
How are Renard in a good place with numbers compared to everyone else? Also, shocking to see Sneem/Derrynane getting such a trimming by Valentia in the South Kerry Championship. Things must be really back for them. No offence to Valentia! Good numbers at underage level the last 5/6 years |
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Post by tonydorigo on Dec 9, 2019 16:47:38 GMT
How are Renard in a good place with numbers compared to everyone else? Also, shocking to see Sneem/Derrynane getting such a trimming by Valentia in the South Kerry Championship. Things must be really back for them. No offence to Valentia! Good numbers at underage level the last 5/6 years Good to hear. Hopefully they get a South Kerry Championship under their belt in the coming years. |
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 9, 2019 16:51:43 GMT
More alarming that it is actually two clubs amalgamated! Valentia also beating the Sneem/Derrynane amalgamation. It doesn't bode well. CS also in the the third tier schools championship, no county minors coming through from South Kerry in recent years also. B/Fs spiral commenced with the lose of the three O'Connor forwards, two to Newbridge and the other retired. JOC made an observation in an article at the weekend, Newbridge town have 4000 primary schools kids, there are just over 400 in all of South Kerry. Hopefully everyone might go into a room for a few days and sort out the Greenway. It would be a start at least.......................
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Post by diego on Dec 9, 2019 18:36:33 GMT
Just goes to show what an unbelievable job James Michael O Sullivan done when Ballyfoilmore had a squad of players. All Ireland intermediate, couple South kerry championship,going from div 5 to Div 1 of Co league and 5 or 6 years playing co championship. All this without marquee forwards. But a system of play utter dedication from the group they had and leadership gave them a few great years. Every club should take note Ronan O'Connor, James O'Shea, Sean Fogarty, Cian O'Connor were just some of the notable names on the 2009 team. Eanna O'Connor came along soon after. James Mike did a mighty job, but he had serious talent to work with too. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Dec 9, 2019 18:42:07 GMT
More alarming that it is actually two clubs amalgamated! Valentia also beating the Sneem/Derrynane amalgamation. It doesn't bode well. CS also in the the third tier schools championship, no county minors coming through from South Kerry in recent years also. B/Fs spiral commenced with the lose of the three O'Connor forwards, two to Newbridge and the other retired. JOC made an observation in an article at the weekend, Newbridge town have 4000 primary schools kids, there are just over 400 in all of South Kerry. Hopefully everyone might go into a room for a few days and sort out the Greenway. It would be a start at least....................... Ye need to go onto a room and turn on some Barry White too. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Dec 9, 2019 20:13:13 GMT
Wtf do you think the greenway is going to do? People seem to think that any sort of investment will lead to a population boom but greenways are just chicken feed to a population of nodding dogs
Industry is needed in these areas- not a cycle lane next to one of the airways most cycled roads in Ireland.
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Post by kodie on Dec 9, 2019 20:16:57 GMT
Most alarming statistic I heard from a man down South more pupils started in a Kilorglin primary than in the whole of South Kerry from Sneem all the way through to Kells just outside Glenbeigh this year that is some geographical area. Things looking bleak for teams down South.
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Post by ciarrai137 on Dec 10, 2019 1:20:08 GMT
The outlook is very bleak for south Kerry for the future, yes renard have numbers coming through but how will they be able to hold on to their current senior players which has a very young profile within the next few years. The reality is we live in an age with an obsession with third level education which unfortunately has been to the detriment of south Kerry every child nowadays aspires to go to college and to get a well paid job which no one can argue with. But the reality is theese kind of jobs aren’t available in south Kerry, and being located so far from the urban areas offers little in the ability to commute. I think it is very worrying for the county board just as much as anyone else. South Kerry throughout the years has produced some of the best, if not the best players and managers mick o Dwyer mick o Connell Maurice Fitz Brian Sheehan John sugrue Peter keane Bryan Sheehan ledgends of the game! If this nursery of pedigree football collapses one would worry for the implications this will have for the county also. It is sad to see one a proud football powerhouse slowly fading! County board must intervene and offer as much assistance as possible
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 10, 2019 11:32:50 GMT
Pardon the pun, the biggest steam train coming down the tracks is the lack of apparent farming heirs following the current generation of farmers in their mid 50s to late 70s................. The farming model has sustained the region until now.
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Post by taibhse on Dec 10, 2019 12:49:19 GMT
The County Secretary’s report to the recent Convention expressed concern that the dominance of the East Kerry division will lead to Kerry teams becoming very dependent on a small geographical area of the county for its supply of players going forward. The point is well made by Peter, but to me the situation is even more concerning if one were to drill deeper into the issue.
I recently had a discussion with a teacher from an East Kerry school that one would normally regard as a stronghold of the GAA games culture. He told me that from a fifth/sixth class in his school less than 10% have any active participation in the game. That came as a surprise to me; maybe it shouldn’t have. It would be a mistake to think that the annual supply of talented development squad recruits will continue in perpetuity.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Dec 10, 2019 13:34:37 GMT
The County Secretary’s report to the recent Convention expressed concern that the dominance of the East Kerry division will lead to Kerry teams becoming very dependent on a small geographical area of the county for its supply of players going forward. The point is well made by Peter, but to me the situation is even more concerning if one were to drill deeper into the issue. I recently had a discussion with a teacher from an East Kerry school that one would normally regard as a stronghold of the GAA games culture. He told me that from a fifth/sixth class in his school less than 10% have any active participation in the game. That came as a surprise to me; maybe it shouldn’t have. It would be a mistake to think that the annual supply of talented development squad recruits will continue in perpetuity. I think that PCD may be declining as a force due to small numbers in Dingle town, but my understanding was that the participation levels were hithertho very high. In a large school, such as St Brendans, 10% of fifth and sixth years might be a panel of 25. |
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Post by taibhse on Dec 10, 2019 14:11:20 GMT
Just to say that my example was of a National school. What you point out may indeed be so in secondary schools like the Sem. where talented young Gaelic players essentially pick that school because it also provides them with an outlet for their skills (as well as being an overall excellent school ).
Relationships within the school environment are critical and most teachers have a high level of understanding of their students and how best to engage them in sport. For the small minority of kids who are playing a sport at any level and loving it, the idea of quitting is probably unthinkable. But for everyone else, our culture no longer supports kids playing for the fun of it.
Six secondary schools within the county have 100% progression rate to Third Level following this year’s Leaving Certificate. While that is to be welcomed, it is nevertheless, a mind-boggling stat. The pressure to raise “successful” kids means that we expect them to be the best. If they’re not, they’re encouraged to cut their losses and focus on areas where they can excel. The message is essentially to pick one thing and specialize in it – often to the exclusion of pursuing other interests, including sports.
Of course, any discussion about being a teenager also needs to include social media, smartphones and the Internet demographic. As kids become teenagers, their priorities change. How they socialize, study and spend their time changes with them.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Dec 10, 2019 16:13:31 GMT
Just to say that my example was of a National school. Wow. I would say that probably 90% of the boys in fifth and sixth and maybe 50+% of the girls in fifth/sixth played football when I was in primary school. |
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Post by pintpleasejohn on Jan 6, 2020 21:43:12 GMT
Any sign of county league fixtures coming out?
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