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Post by goonised on May 6, 2019 10:58:26 GMT
Crokes had 12 players
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Post by ballhopper34 on Jul 28, 2019 22:20:48 GMT
With one round plus a few back games to go, things are becoming clearer.
At the bottom, Brosna and Ardfert are relegated. Glenflesk will more than likely join them in Div 3 next year, unless they can win their last two games (two home games v Dr. Crokes B and John Mitchels) AND either Desmonds, Annascaul or Dromid (2 games) fail to pick up a point. Dromid host both Beaufort and Ballymac, Annascaul host Brosna, while Desmonds travel to Ardfert. I think Glenflesk go down.
Heading to Div 1 as tabletoppers are Kenmare Shamrocks, with any two of four to join them: John Mitchels on 13 points, Glenbeigh-Glencar on 12 points (both with 1 game left), Ballymac on 11 points or Beaufort on 11 points also (both with two games left).
Ballymac's back game is against Ardfert and the fixtures page on the website shows it scheduled for Tuesday 1st January 2030...I kid you not. Have Ardfert conceded this game already, since they are already relegated?
John Mitchels travel to Glenflesk knowing a win will guarantee them a top three playoff spot as a minimum since both Beaufort and Ballymac can also get to 15 points with two victories apiece.
Glenbeigh-Glencar can take care of business by winning at home against Beaufort, but it still might not be eough if Ballymac win their two games (on the road in Dromid plus the Ardfert game in 2030).
I'm thinking John Mitchels and Ballymac to go up with Kenmare...Glenbeigh-Glencar will rue the loss to Dr. Crokes B today since they are one of the very few sides to take points from Dr. Crokes A team the last few seasons in Div 1. Beaufort might come a cropper in Dromid, as the Pearses will want at least a point to move out of the relegation discussion.
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Post by diego on Jul 28, 2019 23:09:44 GMT
Hurling championship games by St Brendan's and Lixnaw over the weekend. I presume that's why Ardfert had their game called off and is yet to be re-fixed, and why Cordal v Finuge didn't go ahead in Division 4.
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Post by diego on Jul 28, 2019 23:33:19 GMT
If Dromid win their last 2 home games they'd have a chance of a playoff if 1 or 2 other results went their way.
Are Crokes B allowed to go up?
They seem to be having a big influence on who does go up in any case, especially with a couple of recent wins where the A team were not playing on the same day.
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Post by ballhopper34 on Jul 29, 2019 1:28:12 GMT
Correct, diego - If Dromid beat Beaufort on 9 August and Ballymac get the points from Ardfert, the table will be interesting going into the last round.
Kenmare will be top and uncatchable on 17 points.
John Mitchels will be joint second on 13 points, and travel to Glenflesk who may be relegated at that stage (must beat Dr. Crokes B on 2 Aug to stay alive). Ballymac will also be joint second if they get the points from Ardfert before they play in Dromid in Rd 11.
In joint fourth will be Glenbeigh-Glencar on 12 points as they get ready to host Beaufort, as will be Dr. Crokes B who meet Kenmare.
In sixth place, and not out of promotion possibility, will be those on 11 points...Beaufort and Dromid.
Wins for both Beaufort (in Glenbeigh) and Dromid (host Ballymac) means both will jump to 13 points alongside Ballymac and be joint third at worst (four-way tie for second if Glenflesk beat John Mitchels).
Dr. Crokes B could finish second or third on 14 points, but cannot be promoted and will not participate in any playoff if tied for a promotion spot.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 29, 2019 20:43:50 GMT
Hurling championship games by St Brendan's and Lixnaw over the weekend. I presume that's why Ardfert had their game called off and is yet to be re-fixed, and why Cordal v Finuge didn't go ahead in Division 4. Ardfert and Crotta drew and must be replayed. U20 final on next Saturday too v Down. |
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Post by ballhopper34 on Jul 30, 2019 23:40:07 GMT
Hurling championship games by St Brendan's and Lixnaw over the weekend. I presume that's why Ardfert had their game called off and is yet to be re-fixed, and why Cordal v Finuge didn't go ahead in Division 4. Ardfert and Crotta drew and must be replayed. U20 final on next Saturday too v Down. St. Brendan's v Crotta O'Neill's replay set for Austin Stack Park on the Bank Holiday Monday, 5 August, at 3pm. |
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Post by goonised on Jul 31, 2019 5:31:51 GMT
Kenmare
Ballymac
Crokes b
To go up with Beaufort dark horses
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 8:39:06 GMT
Kenmare Ballymac Crokes b To go up with Beaufort dark horses Presume Crokes B can’t go up right? Can Crokes A & B be in same division. What would of happened if Crokes A were relegated? |
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 31, 2019 8:52:27 GMT
It is great to see some clubs being able to field B teams and cater for the number of senior players in their ranks. The crux comes with the current system for eligibility for the B team. My understanding is clubs fielding B teams must nominate 15? "A" players who cannot play for the B side and all other players are then eligible for the B team.
When both the A & B team play at the same time there tends to be few problems, but all too often when the A and B games are on different days and we see several players playing both grade at the same time. The clubs will say this is necessary as A players are unavailable (away or with Kerry) but it skews the B competitions.
I would argue that any player who has played 4 (number to be agreed) games for the A team in a season becomes ineligible for the B team for the remainder of the season.
An alternative would be to say if a player plays for the A side in a round then they cannot play for another side in the same round in any other division.
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Post by defullback10 on Jul 31, 2019 13:35:36 GMT
The eligibility is a tricky one. While you could go down the route of the 4 games etc, what happens to that player when/ if the senior player, be they Kerry player, injured player comes back. The genuine B player then has no football. Was speaking to a Crokes supporter last week and they reckoned there is some doubling up on games with different days but that the B team does not contain any player that would have started on a full A team in the last year. I think there are even players like Jordan Kiely and Chris Brady who are eligible but have barely played or not played at all with their B team.
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Post by ballhopper34 on Aug 3, 2019 2:05:04 GMT
Back game result from 2 August: Glenflesk 1-20 Dr. Crokes B 1-6
Glenflesk's Houdini act part 1 complete. Part 2 is Glenflesk must beat John Mitchels at home in Rd 11. Part 3 is one or more of Dromid, Annascaul or Desmonds pick up no more points and end up tied with Glenflesk on 9 points, necessitating a play-off.
Dromid have 2 games left and can be both relegated or promoted...how odd is that? Dromid host Beaufort next Friday, 9 August and no-one knows if the Ballymac/Ardfert back-game will be played before the final round.
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Post by stuckintipp on Aug 3, 2019 8:08:50 GMT
Glenflesk's Houdini act part 1 complete. Part 2 is Glenflesk must beat John Mitchels at home in Rd 11. Part 3 is one or more of Dromid, Annascaul or Desmonds pick up no more points and end up tied with Glenflesk on 9 points, necessitating a play-off. Dromid have 2 games left and can be both relegated or promoted...how odd is that? Dromid host Beaufort next Friday, 9 August and no-one knows if the Ballymac/Ardfert back-game will be played before the final round. Can’t see it happening, Desmond’s and Annascaul both play relegated teams. Mitchels need a result to be promoted as teams below can catch them to take away promotion to Div 1. Too many results need to go Glenflesks way outside of winning themselves |
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Post by fivenarow on Aug 3, 2019 11:34:30 GMT
Glenflesk's Houdini act part 1 complete. Part 2 is Glenflesk must beat John Mitchels at home in Rd 11. Part 3 is one or more of Dromid, Annascaul or Desmonds pick up no more points and end up tied with Glenflesk on 9 points, necessitating a play-off. Dromid have 2 games left and can be both relegated or promoted...how odd is that? Dromid host Beaufort next Friday, 9 August and no-one knows if the Ballymac/Ardfert back-game will be played before the final round. Can’t see it happening, Desmond’s and Annascaul both play relegated teams. Mitchels need a result to be promoted as teams below can catch them to take away promotion to Div 1. Too many results need to go Glenflesks way outside of winning themselves I can’t see them surviving either. They might have had some hope if it was in their own hands but with all the nods & winks that go on at the latter stages of the leagues there’s more against them than with them. It’s hard to see how they struggled so much this year in the league, they had a good sprinkling of Kerry minors, u20/21 & juniors over the last few years plus made the semifinal of the intermediate this year & final last year?? |
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Post by ballhopper34 on Aug 5, 2019 20:36:01 GMT
Dromid v Beaufort on Friday 9 August and Ballymac v Ardfert on Saturday 10 August. That will clear all the back games and the final round will be on 18 August as planned.
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 6, 2019 16:03:19 GMT
Dromid v Beaufort on Friday 9 August and Ballymac v Ardfert on Saturday 10 August. That will clear all the back games and the final round will be on 18 August as planned. Wash out your mouth with soap and water - please God there will be no league matches on the 18th!!!! We want to be eagerly anticipating an AI final and not completing the league. |
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Post by ballhopper34 on Aug 6, 2019 16:40:58 GMT
Plans can change...if we get to the final, the County Championship will start on 15 Sept...so County League on 7/8 Sept?
Hard to see many of the county panel bothering with the league game unless in a promotion/relegation battle.
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Post by ballhopper34 on Aug 9, 2019 20:07:46 GMT
9 August back games: Beaufort 3-17 Dromid Pearses 1-8; Ballymac 1-10 Ardfert 0-4
Impact on Table:
Dromid cannot be promoted and need a point in their last game at home versus Ballymac to ensure life in Div 2 next year. They will also be safe if Glenflesk fail to beat John Mitchels in Rd 11.
Beaufort and Ballymac both move up to 13 points, level with John Mitchels in second place, both a point ahead of Glenbeigh-Glencar on 12.
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Post by ballhopper34 on Sept 4, 2019 15:01:57 GMT
Sunday 8th September, all at 2pm, home team named first:
Ardfert V Castleisland Desmonds
Annascaul V Brosna
Glenflesk V John Mitchel’sPostponed
Glenbeigh-Glencar V BeaufortPostponed
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Post by ballhopper34 on Sept 9, 2019 4:35:23 GMT
Wins for Annascaul (3-17 to 0-7) and Desmonds (0-16 to 0-6) moved both winners to safety.
Only Dromid can be caught by Glenflesk at this stage. Glenflesk must beat John Mitchels and Dromid must lose to Ballymac for a Glenflesk/Dromid relegation play-off.
Tight for the second and third promotion spot with Ballymac (Dromid away), Beaufort (Glenbeigh-Glencar away) and John Mitchels (Glenflesk away) all on 13 points, while Glenbeigh-Glencar on 12 points need a home victory over Beaufort and either Ballymac or John Mitchels to lose in Rd 11 to allow G-G back into Div 1.
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Post by ballhopper34 on Nov 4, 2019 19:49:11 GMT
3 Nov result: Glenbeigh-Glencar 0-10 Beaufort 0-14...this result sends Beaufort into second place on 15 points with no more games to play and confirms G-G will stay in Div 2 for 2020. Ballymac and John Mitchels both on 13 points with a game each remaining.
At the bottome of the table, Dromid Pearses are on 9 points with Glenflesk in thr last relegation spot with 7 points.
Last pair of games on 17 Nov at 2pm:
Dromid Pearses v Ballymac
Glenflesk v John Mitchels
All 4 teams will be looking for wins, so these games should be quite competitive. Wins for the two teams on travel will set up a three-way play-off for promotion and send Glenflesk to Div 3, but it will all be settled on the 17th.
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Post by diego on Nov 4, 2019 21:52:26 GMT
Glenbeigh looked nailed on for promotion in early summer.
Collected 11 points out of 12 in their first 6 games, but only 1 point out of 10 in the last 5 rounds.
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Post by goonised on Nov 5, 2019 18:14:55 GMT
Glenflesk to win but wont be enough as Dromid at home will pick up something.
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Post by clubman on Nov 6, 2019 10:52:28 GMT
According to the main site, both Dromid & Ballymac both played last on the weekend of the 9th August. Thats 14 weeks between 2 fixtures. Both teams probably had players involved with the district but thats far too long a gap for players to be training without competitive football.
15 weeks for Glenflesk and 16 weeks since Mitchels last played. Its a very flawed system and its no wonder young ones are being turned off the game.
As regarding the matches, who knows! Depends on who had the more interest to keep the training up during those barren weeks. It could also depend on how strongly Ballymac and Mitchels feel about going up to division 1
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Post by buck02 on Nov 6, 2019 17:48:35 GMT
According to the main site, both Dromid & Ballymac both played last on the weekend of the 9th August. Thats 14 weeks between 2 fixtures. Both teams probably had players involved with the district but thats far too long a gap for players to be training without competitive football. 15 weeks for Glenflesk and 16 weeks since Mitchels last played. Its a very flawed system and its no wonder young ones are being turned off the game. As regarding the matches, who knows! Depends on who had the more interest to keep the training up during those barren weeks. It could also depend on how strongly Ballymac and Mitchels feel about going up to division 1 Very valid point about the gap between fixtures. The only way to avoid this is to do away with the rule where clubs must have their county players for the last round of the county league. I'm not sure if that would need a motion brought before convention. But the current situation is a complete mess and needs changing. Trying to keep a team training for almost 4 months to play in a promotion or relegation fixture is beyond a joke. |
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Post by ballhopper34 on Nov 17, 2019 20:15:46 GMT
Dromid Pearses 1-14 Ballymac 1-13
Glenflesk 0-14 John Mitchels 0-17
Promoted are Kenmare Shamrocks, John Mitchels and Beaufort.
Relegated are Ardfert, Brosna and Glenflesk.
By the way, Glenflesk had 2 competitive games in the O'Donoghue Cup since their last league game on 2 August. They were on 17 Aug and 12 October, which is still a huge gap.
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