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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 4, 2018 15:46:36 GMT
For aspiring advisers on who should be the next team managers, I just tripped across a wee book that will get you on the road to advising the powers that be -
"The Score Takes Care of Itself : My Philosophy of Leadership" by Bill Walsh NFL
PS Was it NFL or NBA that Donie Buckley studied down the years - Chicago Bulls rings a bell? Walsh is apparently one of the all time greatest NFL leaders/managers.
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Post by cruc8 on Sept 4, 2018 20:20:54 GMT
JOC is staying with U20 confirmed on Radio Kerry Terrace Talk
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2018 21:45:51 GMT
Based on the quotes I saw, Jack seems to know which way the wind is blowing and has acted accordingly.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 5, 2018 2:01:57 GMT
Just seen that the average age of the Dubs is 25, and our 5 in a row range from 23 down. Dubs probably have more at their peak that us but maybe our emerging talent could tip the balance next year, just like 75, ie if you are good enough you are old enough. In another conversation on here we concluded that we have about 100 minor medal holders, so take away say 50 for u20, leaving a potential 50, then add say 30 of current panel - so that means there could be 80 starting in Currans next Jan. Now I have no prior experience of doing this analysis but what is bouncing off the screen for me, and maybe you too is "now what do you think of that Joe Umbrella"? The League could be very interesting for us, and a visit to Currans to see such an avalanche of talent would be some occasion. Maybe they will open it for say Club members, at €10 a head it would pay a few bills and it would really get the county behind our boys as we start our second drive for 5, our drive for 10. Exciting or what!
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Post by dc84 on Sept 5, 2018 7:00:18 GMT
So JOC is staying with the u20s, the pool gets smaller i wonder is it a done deal and they just wanted to give peter keane space with the minors? I would be so excited if he got it, with the talent coming through and a lot of lads bedded in already it could be very interesting next year!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 5, 2018 7:10:35 GMT
I wanted Kearns but would welcome Peter Keane.
I am relieved if we are not going back to Jack.
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Post by kerryexile on Sept 5, 2018 8:15:31 GMT
From the bits of information getting into the public arena it appears the whole thing is slowly taking shape.
The Co. Board wants to hand pick a management team. Jack is out of the running for manager and it appears that Pat O’Shea is not interested. Kearns doesn’t seem to be a contender with the chairman. That leaves Peter. Tommy Griffin will probably come with Peter. The chairman likes Diarmuid Murphy so he will be a selector. Everyone wants Donie Buckley so he will be in. They will talk to Peter about a strength and conditioning coach and other backroom people.
I personally would like to see Maurice as a selector. I would also like to see Donaghy being involved in some way. He could nearly stay on as a player but is too close to the other players to be a selector. His contribution to young players would be immense.
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Post by taggert on Sept 5, 2018 8:21:04 GMT
Looks like PK alright. Will be a popular choice if so. Comes across as being without ego. Interesting comments re Jack wrt to the modern day intercounty manager role - "managing more people off the pitch than on the pitch." Such are the variety of backup specialisms and disciplines required to harness the collective talents of a group of players today before a ball is even kicked.... Roll on 2019
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Post by Fado on Sept 5, 2018 8:22:49 GMT
From the list of possible managers listed, I would like Peter, Diarmuid, Donie and Maurice to make up the management team.
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Post by onlykerry on Sept 5, 2018 8:35:46 GMT
Jack O Connor did not have the energy on the radio Monday night that would inspire me, he is burnt out by the sound of it and is happy not to be putting in too much time into preparing teams. Whoever gets the managers job the fans must allow for transition to take place. It will take at least two years to rebuild with new talent, so be patient good fans! There is plenty of youth out there as we have seen over the last five years (Graham Sullivan, Micheal Potts, Shane Ryan, Diarmuid O Connor, Conor Geaney and many more) The amount of energy JOC has put in over the past five years should not be confused with the results achieved - when he is involved with a team he leaves no stone unturned in his preparations and they normally kick off the previous autumn as he gets players together with programs, diets etc. The level of detail that managing an intercounty team entails has gone off the charts. I am happy he is not going a third time for the senior manager role but I have tremendous respect for the time, effort and energy he has devoted to Kerry teams at all levels over a long period of time.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 5, 2018 8:41:13 GMT
I know this is off point but I had a bit of a Mícheál Ó Muircheartaigh moment myself the other day in the local Dunnes Stores, befriending a stalwart GAA veteran in wan Pearse Mellon, him snug in his Savile Row suit. He told me played dual codes with Offaly and his native Derry - I reckon he was immediate to our '75 AIF era. Alas I got a very pleasant surprise when he showed me the label of his Paul Galvin number, proceeding to reveal with a tint of pride that his wardrobe had nothing but. And the hangar was alright too - as John B would say to fellas complaining about his porter, 'the most oft missing ingredient of a good pint is the man to drink it'.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Sept 5, 2018 8:55:36 GMT
Worried about the development of the county board hoping to dictate the makeup of the managment team. PK or whoever has built up a relationship and trust with their own guys. Parachuting in a Donie Buckley or a Maurice Fitz at the whim of the county board might not be a great idea. If the first year goes poorly do the County Board decide to rejig the management team?
In this scenario whoever gets the job will be more of a head coach rather than a manager. Lets say Peter Keane gets the job. And brings Tommy G with him, then Donie Buckley gets brought in as well. Both want to work on the defensive side of things. That said I think Tommy G might want to take over the minors himself.
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Post by Fado on Sept 5, 2018 9:23:22 GMT
Bye the way, I'm not suggesting that the County Board should choose the management team.
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Post by pillar on Sept 5, 2018 9:35:45 GMT
Jan 27 v Tyrone (H) Feb 3 v Cavan (A) Feb 9 v Dublin (H) Sat Feb 24 v Galway (A) Mar 3 v Monaghan (H) Mar 16 v Mayo (H) Sat Mar 24 v Roscommon (A) Some tasty home games there for our new management.I believe the County Board will not be in a position to dictate to any manager who he has with him.The trust must be given to the manager.Id imagine unlike other years it'll be a case of this is our management team(as put together by our manager) for ratification. In previous years the manager was ratified first and then came back with his team.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 5, 2018 9:43:42 GMT
Worried about the development of the county board hoping to dictate the makeup of the managment team. PK or whoever has built up a relationship and trust with their own guys. Parachuting in a Donie Buckley or a Maurice Fitz at the whim of the county board might not be a great idea. If the first year goes poorly do the County Board decide to rejig the management team? In this scenario whoever gets the job will be more of a head coach rather than a manager. Lets say Peter Keane gets the job. And brings Tommy G with him, then Donie Buckley gets brought in as well. Both want to work on the defensive side of things. That said I think Tommy G might want to take over the minors himself. It struck me when i heard Peter Keane on TG4 praise the backroom team that he himself had selected that perhaps he was giving a hint that he likes to put him own management team in place. I could be wrong.
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Post by kerryexile on Sept 5, 2018 10:13:38 GMT
Worried about the development of the county board hoping to dictate the makeup of the managment team. PK or whoever has built up a relationship and trust with their own guys. Parachuting in a Donie Buckley or a Maurice Fitz at the whim of the county board might not be a great idea. If the first year goes poorly do the County Board decide to rejig the management team? In this scenario whoever gets the job will be more of a head coach rather than a manager. Lets say Peter Keane gets the job. And brings Tommy G with him, then Donie Buckley gets brought in as well. Both want to work on the defensive side of things. That said I think Tommy G might want to take over the minors himself. AWB i agree basically with your point. As regards the scenario you sketch, Donie Buckley doesn't want to be a selector. He would be a skills coach who would only work with players where there was a weakness. Apparently tackling is his speciality (he'd be working with nearly all of them!!). Tommy Griffin would be a selector and as such would be more focused on defensive tactics and how they fitted into the team. There shouldn't be any conflict if they are both mature individuals.
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Post by derry4sam on Sept 5, 2018 13:59:58 GMT
Attacking Wing Back hits the nail on the head there. If, as expected Keane gets the job then it has to be his own guys that go in with him and those he is most comfortable working with.
I’d be very surprised if Tommy Griffin and James Foley don’t follow him in there as they seem to be very close and as results have shown they clearly work well together. Same applies to his S & C coach, Chris Flannery.
Donie Buckley would mak a lovely addition to this management team.
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Post by theboy18 on Sept 6, 2018 18:17:54 GMT
Attacking Wing Back hits the nail on the head there. If, as expected Keane gets the job then it has to be his own guys that go in with him and those he is most comfortable working with. I’d be very surprised if Tommy Griffin and James Foley don’t follow him in there as they seem to be very close and as results have shown they clearly work well together. Same applies to his S & C coach, Chris Flannery. Donie Buckley would mak a lovely addition to this management team.
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Post by theboy18 on Sept 6, 2018 18:21:50 GMT
A management team is all well and good but The top guy has to decide who he wants in his back room team. So the end of the day there has to be a boss that’s goes in business as well as sports. Simple thrown big names together and expecting it to work makes no sense.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 6, 2018 20:39:51 GMT
I cant see anything being forced on anyone. I'm sure there is plenty of dialog going on in the background between the relevant parties. Think about, how could it work if there isn't?
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 7, 2018 7:46:19 GMT
September 7 2018 2:30 AM
Liam Kearns is expected to remain in charge of the Tipperary footballers for a fourth year but there will be significant changes in his backroom team.
Selector/coach Brian Lacey has stepped aside, as has strength and conditioning coach Dave Moriarty, while it is understood that Paschal Kellaghan, who had been heavily tipped for the job in his native Offaly before John Maughan's recommendation, will be leaving his role as coach.
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Post by Hicser on Sept 10, 2018 22:16:23 GMT
They need to make this decision soon, we gotta start work now for 2019 championship,
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 11, 2018 5:56:29 GMT
They need to make this decision soon, we gotta start work now for 2019 championship, They said weeks back the announcement would be made on a date in October.
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Post by Fado on Sept 11, 2018 8:26:04 GMT
There's a smokescreen I tell ye.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 11, 2018 8:44:45 GMT
There's a smokescreen I tell ye. So what is going on behind the smokescreen?
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Post by unsunghero on Sept 11, 2018 14:20:08 GMT
I was in Tyther's Bookmakers Friday evening last. A Killorglin man had a 500 double up on Enable to win the September Stakes and Liam Hassett to be the next Kerry manager.
The horse won comfortably. I think he may be in the know.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 11, 2018 15:15:11 GMT
I was in Tyther's Bookmakers Friday evening last. A Killorglin man had a 500 double up on Enable to win the September Stakes and Liam Hassett to be the next Kerry manager. The horse won comfortably. I think he may be in the know. Good one.
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Post by unsunghero on Sept 11, 2018 15:34:53 GMT
I was in Tyther's Bookmakers Friday evening last. A Killorglin man had a 500 double up on Enable to win the September Stakes and Liam Hassett to be the next Kerry manager. The horse won comfortably. I think he may be in the know. Good one. I didn't come on here to have my integrity questioned, JP. I'm only telling everyone what I saw. Are the freshers getting to you up in UCC or are you always this miserable?
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Post by fg on Sept 11, 2018 16:27:37 GMT
I didn't come on here to have my integrity questioned, JP. I'm only telling everyone what I saw. Are the freshers getting to you up in UCC or are you always this miserable? Touchy, touchy, what ever about you perceiving your integrity being questioned, i'd question your ability to discern and your level of maturity or lack of same.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 11, 2018 16:31:17 GMT
Whatever odds the bookies are offering on Hassett to be the next manager- I'll beat it- min bet of 50 quid.
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