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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 4, 2018 5:20:44 GMT
We are in general disregarding the very live possibility that Monaghan might beat Galway.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Aug 4, 2018 5:38:00 GMT
We are in general disregarding the very live possibility that Monaghan might beat Galway. If that comes to pass i think it will be a very strange feeling if we beat Kildare and are eliminated.
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Post by seeking38 on Aug 4, 2018 7:57:44 GMT
We are in general disregarding the very live possibility that Monaghan might beat Galway. Form what I have seen I firmly believe that Monaghan have a better team than Galway and will beat them.
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Post by jamo on Aug 4, 2018 8:08:59 GMT
Paul Geaney is a lucky man to be starting again. Lets call a spade a spade - he has been the absolute pits these last two games. He owes the manager a huge game tomorrow. agree, above in Clones Geaney was only defending at half pace when Monaghan were coming out of defence which was shocking, he needs to up his game bigtime. It was the young players that got us to today with the effort they put in. So hopefully the senior players starting today realise that they need to step up to the mark.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 4, 2018 8:20:10 GMT
We are in general disregarding the very live possibility that Monaghan might beat Galway. Form what I have seen I firmly believe that Monaghan have a better team than Galway and will beat them. it has to be considered pretty much a 50/50 game under the circumstances and could go either way. Kerry can have no complaints after the Galway debacle. It will be interesting to see if Kerry can get their 5 points win against Kildare (or whatever it is they need...) Kerry's form tonight will be completely indicative of the well being of the setup, good bad or indifferent. You'd have to wonder how the likes of Mark Griffin, Shane Murphy etc can get up for this evenings game with all the chopping and changing...................
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Post by john4 on Aug 4, 2018 8:32:13 GMT
David Clifford's injury time goal could turn out to be very important yet, not the one in Clones but the one in Croke Park, we'd be chasing 8 only for it.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 4, 2018 8:39:41 GMT
Strange team- the inaction when it comes to make necessary outfield changes is made more ludicrous by the haste displayed in dropping Shane Murphy after the Galway game.
To be honest that decision still rankles me as the lad was hung out to dry- same as Griffin against Monaghan.
It’s real ignore the symptoms kind of stuff- leave one lad as a fall guy for a systems failure in the middle third.
Surprised that the midfield/ centre back and half forward line are lined out as they are but I still think we’ll win today and here’s hoping Galway can do us a favour.
I really hope we start seeing some movement towards a settled/functioning game plan today-we need our midfield to really compete, Young to hold the centre and our half forward line to improve the supply of ball going in.
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Post by yellowbelly on Aug 4, 2018 9:08:28 GMT
COLM COOPER: Sticking to process doesn't cut it for Kerry
What has become of Kerry’s middle-aged? That’s been the standout quandary of the Super 8.
Maybe they’d prefer a different label but I’m talking about the likes of Paul Geaney, James O’Donoghue, David Moran, Peter Crowley, and Paul Murphy. The guys in their prime who need to run the show.
After the disaster against Galway, at least Kerry hung in there against Monaghan. They stayed afloat. But it was the younger players driving it.
David Clifford, Tom O’Sullivan, Gavin White and, to a lesser extent, Sean O’Shea; they all threw whatever they had at it, even if they made mistakes.
But Kerry needed more, should expect more, from the middle axis. It has baffled people in Kerry. The feeling around is the players are better than what they are showing. It’s in there, but we haven’t seen enough of it.
My question is, where has it gone?
Is it lack of confidence? Is the pressure getting to them? Is it the strength and conditioning?
How could the team look so laboured compared to the outfit that skipped around Páirc Uí Chaoimh a few weeks earlier, even allowing for the step up in class?
I’ve mentioned before how that slump can happen. We’ve been flat in All-Ireland quarter-finals, but that was after a month’s break.
This campaign was spaced out perfectly for Kerry, just to sharpen and keep ticking after the Munster final. But the clock stopped.
You could question everything, but ultimately it must come down to the players. Sometimes, these modern mantras about sticking to the process don’t cut it.
You can eat all the right food, you can lift all the right weights, you can do all the right things, tick the boxes, fill out diaries during the week.
But unless you bring the fight within those lines for those 70 minutes, it’s no good. At this level, teams will walk all over you.
That small word ‘process’ has taken over the GAA. Not just in Kerry, across the board. The whole sporting world has bought into it.
Players are conditioned so much on process. They’re writing down what they eat, how many hours they sleep. They’re getting to the physio every second day.
Everything is being measured and everything is being done. That’s all fine.
But it only gets you to the starting line and puts you in the position to perform. If you don’t have the fire within yourself, and the drive and the desire, it’s not worth a bean.
You might have done everything right, but that doesn’t mean it’s going to happen for you. And sometimes in a match when someone comes at you, and is testing you physically and mentally, you have to meet fire with fire.
That’s been the disappointing thing for me as a Kerry supporter. I know they are training well and doing everything 100% right.
But what I haven’t seen from them is the fire in the belly. The conviction to make it happen. I’ve been in their position. You’re always looking for reassurance, to lean back on the work you’ve done, the scores you’re clocking in training. Telling yourself you’re in great shape.
But you still have to fight. Preparing for games, I was always damn sure the opposition had done video analysis on me, they’d looked at my last few games, honed in on any frailties.
I knew they were going to try and break me, mentally and maybe physically. And I had to be ready for that.
You know what they say about fortune favouring the brave. Fortune might have favoured Kerry that they are alive at all right now. But it’s not down to bravery.
Maybe the team was too settled after Munster. You had Micheál Burns and Kevin McCarthy fighting for one position but everything else seemed to be nailed down.
Everyone can talk about the A v B games being competitive and cut-throat. But were they?
Anyway, you can get a false sense of security in there sometimes, in that familiar environment, isolated from everything.
Then one bad game and the whole thing is radically changed. Let’s get Donaghy back in, let’s change the goalie. That’s unsettling too.
The last day, in Clones, Kieran was probably played for his experience and know-how. But mainly for his toughness. Just to have that on the field. He wasn’t brilliant, but he was influential.
Won a free off Vinny Corey and should have had another. Nearly fed Gavin White for a goal and got his fingers to that Hail Mary for Clifford’s miracle at the finish.
But mainly he led by example. He might not be able to cover the ground as quickly as he used to, it looked futile for him at times, all the chasing he was asked to do. But he fought all day long. He kept going.
He gets plenty of abuse from the opposing supporters but you know what, it doesn’t bother him in the slightest. While some players might go into their shell, he nearly embraces it.
He has that hardness and knowledge that he’s been down this road before and that’s a lesson to the players around him.
And sure, it’s not easy for them. The habitat is tough in Kerry when the team is struggling. Éamonn Fitzmaurice spoke during the week about the grief players ship, on social media and whatnot.
The management understand it. Éamonn, Maurice Fitz, Mikey, Liam Hassett; they’ll all have seen the highs of winning and being told they’re great, and they’ll all have seen how vicious it can get when things aren’t working out.
They know the routine so they won’t be too sensitive about it, though no doubt it hurts them at times. But they’re the ones who have to stay calm, because they can still come out of this smiling.
Kerry are a heavyweight boxer on the ropes. But they haven’t hit the canvas yet.
The bookies still have them as third favourites for the All-Ireland, which is amazing really given their struggles. But tonight is set up for them.
Their favourite pitch, everyone doubting them, playing a team who are competitive but not world-beaters.
They’ll need the process too, but it would be a good time to bring the fight.
And if Kerry do that, I expect them to win by at least the five-point margin they may require.
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Post by glengael on Aug 4, 2018 9:32:33 GMT
Difficult to disagree with CC there.
We are defending at 23 year unbeaten championship run in Killarney today. Let's hope they can do it. That's all that can be done and let others do what they will elsewhere.
Traffic in and around Killarney is chronic on a normal Saturday. It will be 10 times worse on a Bank Holiday and worse still on a Bank Holiday with a match.
So if ye are driving from any direction leave early, drive sensibly, expect the usual Adare, NCW, Abbeyfeale, Farranfore, Macroom bottlenecks. Like death and taxes they are certainties of life so don't be surprised. Arrive early, park carefully and at the end of it all, get home safely. I have been on the roads a lot lately and the recklessness evident in many drivers is quite frightening.
Ciarraí Abu.
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Post by southward on Aug 4, 2018 10:03:55 GMT
Difficult to disagree with CC there. We are defending at 23 year unbeaten championship run in Killarney today. Let's hope they can do it. That's all that can be done and let others do what they will elsewhere. Traffic in and around Killarney is chronic on a normal Saturday. It will be 10 times worse on a Bank Holiday and worse still on a Bank Holiday with a match. So if ye are driving from any direction leave early, drive sensibly, expect the usual Adare, NCW, Abbeyfeale, Farranfore, Macroom bottlenecks. Like death and taxes they are certainties of life so don't be surprised. Arrive early, park carefully and at the end of it all, get home safely. I have been on the roads a lot lately and the recklessness evident in many drivers is quite frightening. Ciarraí Abu. Could there be a worse time for a game in Killarney than the Saturday of the August bank holiday weekend? Half the country will be down and around there as it is. It'd nearly be as easy to get to Croker today. Madness.
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Post by piggott on Aug 4, 2018 10:39:44 GMT
compared to Munster championship winning team Kelly, Tom O Sullivan, Killian, and Donaghy in for Shane Murphy, O Beaglaoich, Morley, and Jameso. I expect the middle aged will answer the critics this evening, and we will win well. Not too confident about Galway doing the business though.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 4, 2018 11:38:24 GMT
Paul Geaney is a lucky man to be starting again. Lets call a spade a spade - he has been the absolute pits these last two games. He owes the manager a huge game tomorrow. Players do lose form. It happened to Gooch, Declan, Tomas etc. PG is human after all. Its when half a dozen do so that you are in trouble. Speaking of losing form....Conor McGrath of Clare is only a sub now for Clare even though he was an all star and main man in 2013. If he could "cut loose" when he comes on tomorrow, Clare would be a different animal entirely
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Post by oldschool on Aug 4, 2018 11:43:17 GMT
Win the kickouts, Win the game. Any thoughts??
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 4, 2018 11:48:13 GMT
Win the kickouts, Win the game. Any thoughts?? kickouts has been the subject of much discussion on here for about 5 years now. we are blue in the face from it at this stage
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Post by taggert on Aug 4, 2018 12:15:25 GMT
Another article from a former player who soldiered with/under EF pointing the finger of blame squarely at the players. And more specifically, the midfle aged cohort. Failure to allude to the paucity of the Kerry Kickout strategy and/or the feeble defensive system (as put in place my the management team) renders the article somewhat anodyne.
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Post by MeathExile on Aug 4, 2018 12:19:56 GMT
I really dont understand why an injured player is on the subs list - Morley was not able to play against Monagahan yet still occupied a sub position on the day. If he does not play today, and it turns out that Shanahan was fit..... Marc was listed in subs in 2015 final but was not able to play - no sense whatsoever.
Delighted to see Daithi Casey make the subs for the day - I still maintain he is one of the best forwards available to us.
Surely Gavin Crowley is fit at this stage. This guy is a real leader on the pitch and hard as nails - a centre back if ever I saw one.
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Post by MeathExile on Aug 4, 2018 13:43:49 GMT
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Post by kerryborder on Aug 4, 2018 13:45:36 GMT
Win the kickouts, Win the game. Any thoughts?? kickouts has been the subject of much discussion on here for about 5 years now. we are blue in the face from it at this stage Management and senior players are very much under the spotlight this evening. The team selection is very much putting it upto the senior players. I do think it is make or break for at least 2 of them if not more. Hard to believe we have such an unsettled 15 at this stage of the championship. If we were to qualify any number of 3 to 5 changes could happen the next day. Not what I would consider good enough on any number of fronts but then again what do I know!
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Aug 4, 2018 14:13:00 GMT
Once more gooch and Tomas skirt around the managment issue with all the grace of a pair of ballroom dancers.
Tomas says it's too late to work on a sweeper this year. And we can work on it next year. Would have it not have been sensible to work on it this year after last year's shambles.
The two articles could be summed up as laying all the blame on the senior players. Tomas lauds Eamonn for 2014 against Donegal. What has he done since? At least he recognises our midfield issues
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 4, 2018 14:13:41 GMT
He is spot on about Mark O'Connor. What reared its head at u21 level last year is beginning to manifest itself at senior level now. Regarding the players form, that is only as dynamic as the energy driving it from management.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 4, 2018 14:15:56 GMT
Once more gooch and Tomas skirt around the managment issue with all the grace of a pair of ballroom dancers. Tomas says it's too late to work on a sweeper this year. And we can work on it next year. Would have it not have been sensible to work on it this year after last year's shambles. The two articles could be summed up as laying all the blame on the senior players. Tomas lauds Eamonn for 2014 against Donegal. What has he done since? At least he recognises our midfield issues Begs the question, what the * have they been doing behind closed doors for the last six years......?
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Post by oldschool on Aug 4, 2018 14:16:26 GMT
Win the kickouts, Win the game. Any thoughts?? kickouts has been the subject of much discussion on here for about 5 years now. we are blue in the face from it at this stage And still haven't it solved. Why not??? Any thoughts on that???
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 4, 2018 14:18:56 GMT
kickouts has been the subject of much discussion on here for about 5 years now. we are blue in the face from it at this stage And still haven't it solved. Why not??? Any thoughts on that??? How could it, were rotating keepers since 2013.
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 4, 2018 14:22:53 GMT
We are in general disregarding the very live possibility that Monaghan might beat Galway. Generally, I don't think we are, I certainly expect Monaghan to take care of business and win this evening and i'm far from alone in that view, a drawn game in Salthill would not surprise me in the least either.
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Post by MeathExile on Aug 4, 2018 14:59:43 GMT
I have a few euro on a Salthill draw - cant see any other result if things are tight with 5 min to go - both will be happy with a draw. Hope I'm wrong....
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Aug 4, 2018 15:05:14 GMT
I have a few euro on a Salthill draw - cant see any other result if things are tight with 5 min to go - both will be happy with a draw. Hope I'm wrong.... We might be better off in the long run to bow out at this stage. If we play poorly this evening and manage to scrape into the semi Dublin could put a cricket score on us. Would the exposure to such a game help our going lads. That said we could play fantastically today and still lose out anyway
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Post by taggert on Aug 4, 2018 17:38:15 GMT
Hope its a game of 2 halves....
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 4, 2018 18:32:50 GMT
Maybe Monaghan the best team in this group.
At least we didn't lose to Kildare.
Mayo last year and Kildare this year might have been too much.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 4, 2018 18:47:55 GMT
The display against Galway was nigh on unforgivable.
A long winter ahead and the knives will be sharpening.
Some exciting performances today by individual players.
A tragedy that that might be the end of KD. Not brought on against Galway. Why?
The future is a little bright but I've had enough of the management team myself. My patience is long but when gone, tis gone.
The problem is he might be the best option we have. He has worked so hard for Kerry and I am being unkind. I'm sorry.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Aug 4, 2018 18:49:04 GMT
A season that started with such promise with the wins over Donegal and Mayo finishes with a non event win over Kildare in Killarney.
We were a shambles when the game was a contest in the first half.
We would have been anilated by Dublin next week. On all objective reasoning we are prob number 6 in the super 8. With only rosscommon and Kildare below us.
Thanks for the memories Eamonn but it's time to go
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