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Post by buck02 on Jul 19, 2018 18:13:07 GMT
I am shocked that nobody has blamed the basketball coach yet this week!
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Post by john4 on Jul 19, 2018 18:45:41 GMT
Is Botty Callaghan gone from the maor uisce this year? I haven't seen him
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Post by playitfair on Jul 19, 2018 19:36:20 GMT
I am shocked that nobody has blamed the basketball coach yet this week! 😄I was thinking about him the other day when reflecting on match. It’s was so like a basketball game.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 19, 2018 19:37:43 GMT
I'm hearing 5 changes for Sunday.. Go on...enlighten us
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Post by A.N. Other on Jul 19, 2018 19:43:11 GMT
Anyone know of any bus companies going to Clones on Sunday and the prices they're charging? Was initially going to drive but might get a bus instead now.
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Post by brosna11 on Jul 19, 2018 19:48:45 GMT
I'm hearing 5 changes for Sunday.. Go on...enlighten us Keeper, 3 backs and an inside forward.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 19, 2018 19:52:59 GMT
Keeper, 3 backs and an inside forward. Fair enough, any names? Changing the keeper now is ludicrous but how and ever we will see
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Post by john4 on Jul 19, 2018 19:59:19 GMT
Anyone know of any bus companies going to Clones on Sunday and the prices they're charging? Was initially going to drive but might get a bus instead now. / O Callaghan's, Tralee Rd. Killarney
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 19, 2018 20:03:43 GMT
I am shocked that nobody has blamed the basketball coach yet this week! 😄I was thinking about him the other day when reflecting on match. It’s was so like a basketball game. We played sh1t like that along time before James Weldon ever got involved.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 19, 2018 20:12:00 GMT
The following sets the scene for a trip to Clones..........
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 19, 2018 20:12:22 GMT
Don’t tamper with the perfection of Clones on Ulster final day Its days are numbered unless the GAA issues a reprieve – I’m all for the whales. But let’s save Clones too Sat, Jul 19, 2014, 02:00 Keith Duggan
Is the GAA seriously about to end the tradition of Ulster final day in Clones? Say it ain’t so, Joe. To do so would be madness.
Yes, the logic of moving Ulster’s big football day to its main city of Belfast is unimpeachable. When HRH, no less, takes 60 million sterling from her handbag for the purpose of redeveloping Casement Park, the gentlemen of the Ulster Council are not going to say no. That’s a lot of Friday bingo nights.
Word is that the new place in Andy’town will be a model of modernity and spatial planning and sightlines. The plans look wonderful. When its first big championship day rolls around in 2016, Ministers from Both Sides will sit together in the Ard Comhairle, smiling and remarking upon how far they have all travelled.
The GAA will sportingly provide guests of Unionist persuasion with the cricket updates from Trent Bridge or Headingley. It will be a good day for Ulster.
Belfast is a brilliant city. It makes sense to have the province’s main GAA theatre there. The redevelopment gives Ulster a stadium to compare with the best of those to be found ‘down South’. And those bragging rights matter in the GAA. There will be none of the traffic nightmares experienced in the narrow laneways around St Tiernach’s Park. Casement Park can accommodate more supporters. The press facilities have everything its members could need, even electrical sockets. It’s a great leap forward. Moving from a backwater to the bright lights. It’s progress!
But so what? It’s still not Clones. Clones on Ulster final day is perfection and you shouldn’t tamper with that.
The Prodigy Now, it’s true that Clones on Ulster final day boasts an unrefined kind of perfection. It’s true, for instance, that the entrepreneurs of the culinary roadside emporiums have a fondness for country ballads played at full volume or the kind of lost classics that never made it out of the early 1990s. In Clones, the Prodigy will always be in the charts.
And there is no denying that you will encounter the full spectrum of booziness by takin’ a dander down Main Street, from the buckleppers who had a brave lock in the Hibernian to the few unfortunates whose day is done before the minor match. Stocious. Blitzed. Buckled. Bananaboats. Calved. Wrote off, hey.
It’s true too that the pleasantries are exchanged in a coda that the CIA would find tough to crack. “Go on ye wee get ye.” “I near forgot the wain.” “Is that you?” “Bout ye, big mon.” “Some day, hey”. “Wild hey. “Sure it was bucketin’ there comin thru Lisnaskea.” “Fierce walk in.” “Some handlin’.” “I near calved.”
Nor can you quite get over the disconcerting level of glamour which characterises Ulster final day.
If many supporters dress as if they are intent on going straight from the match to the dance floor in Kelly’s of Portrush, that’s because they are. And yes, Paulo Tullio and the other critics from the Restaurant might be sparing in their awarding of gold stars if they found themselves in Clones on Ulster final day and stopped at one of the culinary stalls on the way up to the Park.
In fact, they might be a little taken aback by the level of clousterin’ in general. Unless, of course, they had stood outside the Creighton Arms for a few noontime nerve settlers and fell in with the Scotstown crowd or the Kilmacrennan boys and had a right few. Then those quarter -pounders dripping with onions would taste like heaven.
Yes, it has been recently observed that Ulster’s somewhat problematic relationship with flags and marches can sometimes extend to the pre-match parade in Clones. Pace is everything: the slow-march and jubilant notes of the brass band somehow elevate the anticipation to boiling point. Maybe it would be better just to stick Set Guitars To Kill on the tannoy and let the players mosh in front of the Ard Comhairle for five minutes: just get it all out of their systems. But no: Clones is about nothing if not ceremony and tradition.
Think of any of the great stadiums of the world. Fenway Park in Boston. Anfield in Liverpool. The Olympiastadion in Berlin. Rio’s Maracana is a splendour to behold – or so I’m told.
All of those places have decades and stories behind them. That’s what makes them special. St Tiernach’s Park has that. It’s a great old stadium that just happens to be perched on a height over one of the Ulster’s most haughty and careworn towns. Clones is to Ulster what Ava Gardner was to Old Hollywood.
It helps, of course, that Clones is the home town of Patrick McCabe, who is probably the square root of modern Irish literature. It helps that he gave Clones the immortal Francie Brady, who put the town on the map and wouldn’t have been arsed with the Ulster final.
Hang on On days like tomorrow, when the senior match throws in a four pm, Clones reaches a crescendo at around 2. 42pm. St Tiernach’s Park is already busy but there is still a good crowd down the town and the hill leading up to the turnstiles is jammers. Everyone knows that they need to get moving but they want to hang on, to stretch the day out. Because the anticipation of the match is the high point: no county has yet lost. Then, all of a sudden, 5,000 people decide to leave at once and it is bedlam. Sometimes people duck in to use the loos in the Creighton and aren’t seen again until Christmas. It is that kind of day.
There have been some great and some terrible finals there down the years. But the day is about more than the game.
It is fitting, now, that the last scheduled Ulster finals coincide with a renaissance in the fortunes of Monaghan football. They might even squeeze in a three-in-a-row before Ulster final day goes the same way as the Railway and the Luxor cinema and the other Clones landmarks.
Its days are numbered unless the GAA issues a reprieve. They could at least split the finals, with Clones hosting every other year. I’m all for the whales. But let’s save Clones too. They won’t know what they lost until they have lost it.
And it is a fleeting magic. By the time we leave the press box in the evening time, the Anglo Celt Cup has long been lifted and laid. The dressing rooms are closed, the stadium ghostly and the serenity and sense of desertion about the town is hard to fathom given the noontime scenes.
You could go on about Clones forever. But a friend put it perfectly in an email not so long ago explaining what he feels sets Clones apart on Ulster final day.
“It’s one of my favourite places on earth, like an Ireland that no longer exists and somehow for one day in the year appears shimmering from the mist like Hy-Brasil.”
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 19, 2018 20:27:56 GMT
Don't agree with open training as such but, it is a bit rich with all this we need your support stuff when there has been no effort to include the supporters. Not open trainings but, even an open day the week before the Munster final or the week after the Munster final. As it stands are the only open days the one if they make the all Ireland final and the night at the dogs which is effectively a shake down for money. And I have always had an issue with the surcharge the county board apply for all Ireland tickets. Doesn't really affect me as a season ticket holder. But ticket prices for a final are expensive without adding to it Dropped into training during the week but unfortunately didn't have my passport so the big burly guy on the gate raised his big palm.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 19, 2018 20:36:20 GMT
Which other county allows this ? Seriously lads you don't have some automatic right to watch these lads in training, those days are gone. 100% closed gate is excessive, it might be good for the young players to feel the connection with the people if the gates were thrown open now and again. Also snipping at fans from within the bubble is non productive. Kerry is football and football is Kerry. Closed gates fuel negativity when the wheels come off now and again.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 19, 2018 20:43:04 GMT
Which other county allows this ? Seriously lads you don't have some automatic right to watch these lads in training, those days are gone. 100% closed gate is excessive, it might be good for the young players to feel the connection with the people if the gates were thrown open now and again. Also snipping at fans from within the bubble is non productive. Kerry is football and football is Kerry. Closed gates fuel negativity when the wheels come off now and again. You don't see people watching Dublin out in DCU? They are given the respect of preparing for their games without the locals needing to know who's going well etc.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 19, 2018 20:43:41 GMT
Had the pleasure of attending a few Ulster finals, cracking place when full in do or die games. Sunday roast in the Creighon at the cross roads is a must before the long slog up the hill past the church to the pitch.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 19, 2018 20:45:24 GMT
100% closed gate is excessive, it might be good for the young players to feel the connection with the people if the gates were thrown open now and again. Also snipping at fans from within the bubble is non productive. Kerry is football and football is Kerry. Closed gates fuel negativity when the wheels come off now and again. You don't see people watching Dublin out in DCU? They are given the respect of preparing for their games without the locals needing to know who's going well etc. Christ, let's all become *ing serious.........
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Post by keane on Jul 19, 2018 20:45:45 GMT
100% closed gate is excessive, it might be good for the young players to feel the connection with the people if the gates were thrown open now and again. Also snipping at fans from within the bubble is non productive. Kerry is football and football is Kerry. Closed gates fuel negativity when the wheels come off now and again. You don't see people watching Dublin out in DCU? They are given the respect of preparing for their games without the locals needing to know who's going well etc. I suppose the GAA could force all teams to open training to the public.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 19, 2018 20:46:26 GMT
Ciarán Murphy: Why top forwards should imitate Ronaldo No real point in the game’s best attackers wasting their energy on defensive duties Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 21:00 Ciaran Murphy
Cristiano Ronaldo was unveiled as Juventus’s new signing this week, the latest chapter in an extraordinary career.
At 33, the €100 million price tag might seem inflated, but the appetite for goals, and the certainty with which he knows how to go about scoring them, is absolutely undimmed.
In fact, what we have seen from Ronaldo in the last number of years, as he gets older but the goalscoring feats continue undimmed, is the reduction of his game to its most vital essences. Gone now is almost all extraneous movement. Any exertion that doesn’t lead to a chance on goal is deemed unnecessary.
In fact, it’s not just that he isn’t bothered about running when it’s not in pursuit of a goal, or that he thinks he can get away with it because of who he is – it’s that he’s decided it’s just a bad idea.
“I’m here to score. If I chase this lost cause, if I run 20 yards back towards my full-back to help him out, I could be out of breath when the next chance comes. Why would I risk that, just to look like a good team-mate?”
It certainly doesn’t look great . . . but what if he’s right? And what if the top teams in Gaelic football adopted that attitude as well?
I think Ronaldo is too thin-skinned to say that he’s prepared to take the criticism for not working as hard as his team-mates; he’s just supremely confident he can score so many goals that no-one would dare criticise him about it in the first place. And as he was in the Real Madrid dressing-room, he will be the best-paid player in Juventus, by far, and that confers a status on him also.
GAA dressing-rooms are rather more egalitarian affairs. There is no money for a start, not among the players at least, and so that most effective of societal power dynamics is not really a factor. But there is something deeper as well, a common cause that is beyond money or broader career aims.
For all but a tiny handful of clubs in Europe, the dressing-room you’re in, no matter how successful it might be, is only a stepping stone along your personal journey to Real Madrid or Bayern Munich or Manchester United.
In the GAA, you’re stuck with what you have – there’s no such thing as a personal journey to the top, not without the people you’re sharing the dressing room with now. You all get to the mountain-top, or none of you do.
And so that brings us to Croke Park on Sunday, and the reasons why Paul Geaney and Conor McManus don’t stand with their hands on their hips and jog in under the crossbar when their man goes soloing up the field.
Best attackers We’re used now to seeing the best attackers in the game putting in half-hearted forwards’ tackles on opposing players 100 yards or more from where they do their best work. They do what they feel is best for the team. But are they right? When a corner-back flies up past Paul Geaney’s shoulder, should he put his head down and run back 100 yards to put a tackle in on his own 45 yard line?
Geaney is what people would call an honest lad, and he’ll make the run and be seen to be that honest team-mate. But what if he was really honest with himself? Brutally honest? Would he be more inclined to say to Kevin McCarthy – ‘I know that’s my man, but the right thing for you to do now is track that man, dispossess him, get the ball, run back up the field, draw my man, and pass me the ball so I can stick it over the bar, fresh as a daisy’.
It might not be the sign of an egalitarian dressing room, but it would at least be honest. How many corner-backs would keep haring up the field if they saw Geaney trotting in the opposite direction towards the 21-yard line in their rear-views?
You see it in every game – if a team leaves three forwards up, their opponents will leave four defenders to mark them. If they leave one forward up, their opponents will still probably leave four. It might not look like being a good teammate, but Conor McManus needs to have a word. It can sound polite, or it can sound outrageously egotistical, but the message has to be clear.
Anyone can track a runner. Games are won by people who can do the things that I can do, and that you can’t – in today’s game more than ever, as last weekend demonstrated.
Ronaldo might have to call a team meeting between now and the start of the season, but I get the feeling his new teammates already have a fair idea of the difference between his responsibilities and their own, if they’re being completely, brutally honest with themselves.
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Post by bomberliston on Jul 19, 2018 23:27:23 GMT
Is Botty Callaghan gone from the maor uisce this year? I haven't seen him Botty obscured my view at times down in Cork on Munster Final day. Damn sideline tickets! So, yes....he's still part of the set-up.
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Post by Deise Exile on Jul 20, 2018 5:42:44 GMT
Kerry by 3
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Post by taibhse on Jul 20, 2018 7:33:05 GMT
Is Botty Callaghan gone from the maor uisce this year? I haven't seen him Botty obscured my view at times down in Cork on Munster Final day. Damn sideline tickets! So, yes....he's still part of the set-up. Pulled a hamstring. He's 50/50 also!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 7:45:33 GMT
As the week moves on, I'm getting a little bit more optimistic. The senior players need to stand up and be counted this weekend. Too much for the younger lads to shoulder the leadership roles also.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 20, 2018 8:03:19 GMT
This is Monaghans 5th week on the go so you would expect fatigue to be setting. I know three of those games were against weak opposition. It should be a case of the county with the stronger panel pulling away from the 50th minute as stronger subs start to make a difference. Kerrys subs didnt change much the last day though so the makeup of the panel will be interesting
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 20, 2018 8:19:19 GMT
Are ye stuck in the stone age? Open trainings before the biggest match of the year? Other fellas wanting little to no video analysis done then. Joke While I’m not quite from the stone age I am in the twilight years. If last Sunday is the product of in-depth video analysis and secretive training sessions then take me back to the days of my youth when Kerry played a unique brand of football , adapted to rule changes and training technigues but remained true to their principles and didn’t follow the example of Dublin or Tyrone but set their own standards. And in the ‘stone age’ we had Raquel Welsh.... oh those were the days Well now tis Rachel Wyse on SKY.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 20, 2018 9:26:38 GMT
Well lads what do ye think the team will be for Sunday? I presume we will name a dummy team. Our scope for changes in defense is pretty limited with suspensions and injuries and lack of game time.
I think it would be madness to parachute Enright back in when he has been injured for about 3 months at this stage with no game time. His only back in full training about 3 weeks.
I think he will Griffin back in at full if Morley is out and hopefully abandon the sweeper experiment.
Crowley will go back to centre back and just sit and hold. It could be Beaghlaoich that is handed the job of marking McManus the next day or Tom O'Sullivan. Fionn Fitz will prob make the panel but, he has little football played as well.
I expect the rest of the team to be the same to be honest. If we arent going well then changes have to be made whether its in the 15th or 50th minute
Murphy
Beaglaoich Griffin / Crowley (Depends on Morley) Tom O'Sullivan
White Crowley / Morley Murphy
Moran ( Play a deep role as an extra centre back, be an out ball when oour forwards get turned back and give the kick pass on the second phase as it were) Barry
McCarthy O'Shea O'Brien
JO'D Clifford Geaney
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 20, 2018 9:49:53 GMT
Are ye stuck in the stone age? Open trainings before the biggest match of the year? Other fellas wanting little to no video analysis done then. Joke While I’m not quite from the stone age I am in the twilight years. If last Sunday is the product of in-depth video analysis and secretive training sessions then take me back to the days of my youth when Kerry played a unique brand of football , adapted to rule changes and training technigues but remained true to their principles and didn’t follow the example of Dublin or Tyrone but set their own standards. And in the ‘stone age’ we had Raquel Welsh.... oh those were the days Maoruisce65 You are taking me back to a simpler time there. On a more serious note that one sentence in your post and the reason it changed could be the subject of a thesis. In my opinion what we saw on Saturday is a microcosm of the issue in more ways one. On the subject of videos, players should not have to watch hours of videos - their own matches and short clips that have been extracted on the opposition. I have never heard a player, pundit or manager attribute a defeat to not having watched more video.
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Post by john4 on Jul 20, 2018 10:09:03 GMT
Well lads what do ye think the team will be for Sunday? I presume we will name a dummy team. Our scope for changes in defense is pretty limited with suspensions and injuries and lack of game time. I think it would be madness to parachute Enright back in when he has been injured for about 3 months at this stage with no game time. His only back in full training about 3 weeks. I think he will Griffin back in at full if Morley is out and hopefully abandon the sweeper experiment. Crowley will go back to centre back and just sit and hold. It could be Beaghlaoich that is handed the job of marking McManus the next day or Tom O'Sullivan. Fionn Fitz will prob make the panel but, he has little football played as well. I expect the rest of the team to be the same to be honest. If we arent going well then changes have to be made whether its in the 15th or 50th minute Murphy Beaglaoich Griffin / Crowley (Depends on Morley) Tom O'Sullivan White Crowley / Morley Murphy Moran ( Play a deep role as an extra centre back, be an out ball when oour forwards get turned back and give the kick pass on the second phase as it were) Barry McCarthy O'Shea O'Brien JO'D Clifford Geaney If it weren't the tradition in Kerry of the county champions nominating the team captain, who out of the current squad would stand out, that you could point to and say, he'd be a good captain for X,y or z reason. I don't know who that is, when there should be competition for this.
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 20, 2018 10:26:37 GMT
If it weren't the tradition in Kerry of the county champions nominating the team captain, who out of the current squad would stand out, that you could point to and say, he'd be a good captain for X,y or z reason. I don't know who that is, when there should be competition for this. Best leader, therefore captain Donaghy. If it must be a player then Moran and Murphy vice captain. One for the future, O'Shea.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 20, 2018 11:17:40 GMT
To be brutally honest I think the captaincy doesn't matter. Its a nice honour to have for the person and club.
Its different in soccer where you have the club captain that is the face of the first team and meets the media and has to orgainse things for the team like: fines, nights out negotiate squad bonuses etc.
In rugby the captain is the only one who can speak to the ref. In GAA the captain has no special duties apart from going up for the toss and leading the parade on game day.
A leader will be a leader regardless of whether he is captain or not. It just happens that some of our best leaders were captains but, they would have been leaders anyway.
Was Maurice fitz or mahony ever captain for a championship game or breen or flaherty?
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Post by kerryboy83 on Jul 20, 2018 11:27:22 GMT
I’ve been told that the team could line out as follows Murphy Fionn Griffin Tom Sullivan Pail Murphy Peter Crowley White Moran Barry Sean se JOD Burns Clifford Star Geaney
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