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Post by Corner Back on Feb 4, 2018 19:55:57 GMT
I see a few comments on management here. One thing I'd say is that Shanahan should have been replaced before he was sent off. Immediately after his yellow, he fouled again and was lucky not to be booked again. He should have been taken off after that free. On Hassett, he ran behind Shane Murphys goal at one stage, in what seemed to me an attempt to take the spare ball that was there. The ref cleared him. That was before his transgressions later on. If its not a deliberate tactic to have him in and about causing a bit of mayhem, then he needs to be reigned in IMO. To be fair, a sub was togged off and ready to come on. There was no break in play to bring on the sub. Player has to take some responsibility knowing he was on a yellow. Regarding Ambrose, his constant calling (over the last few years) for Mark Griffin to be played at centre back, just because he is big is comical.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 20:05:36 GMT
Some random thoughts.
We look light physically in the backs but peter Crowley and Morley coming back should address that. The midfield performance last night was particularly encouraging. Jack Barry is becoming a serious player. Barry John is unlikely to start come championship but he is a proven impact player off the bench. We have serious legs and pace throughout the team particularly in the half forward line. The best thing about last night is that the team as a collective got the win. This was not about one person or one area of the pitch dominating.
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Post by gamechanger10 on Feb 4, 2018 20:11:11 GMT
A Captain should be the leader in the dressing room, a warrior on the field that inspires with both past deeds and his ability to support and inspire those around him. A grain of rice tips the scale and a great captain or a lesser bit player who has the honour thrust upon him could be that grain of rice in a tight championship. Being part of a great team does not and should not single out one for this vital roll, despite its prestige and place of honour for both club and player it should not be the sole ingredient in the vital process of selecting the one that will not yield.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 4, 2018 20:14:29 GMT
I know we are still euphoric after last nights performance Can someone name the Back s Midfield and Forward that will definitely get their place back for the championship I can’t see a way back for some going by last two games . And if it’s a close call between youth and experience we might just go with youth ! We should know at this stage that February is not a time for getting euphoric. Let that stuff to Mayo fans. Mayo are not a team to shoot the lights out...that game v Rossies being the exception. Their game is about breaking from defense but their main men for that task...Higgins, Vaughan and Keegan were absent last night. Loftus get one minute...totally baffling for me unless he is being kept for Sigerson. No sign of Conor o Shea either...would have expected him there last night.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 4, 2018 20:16:04 GMT
A Captain should be the leader in the dressing room, a warrior on the field that inspires with both past deeds and his ability to support and inspire those around him. A grain of rice tips the scale and a great captain or a lesser bit player who has the honour thrust upon him could be that grain of rice in a tight championship. Being part of a great team does not and should not single out one for this vital roll, despite its prestige and place of honour for both club and player it should not be the sole ingredient in the vital process of selecting the one that will not yield. Dick Fitzgerald said as much 100 years ago
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Post by buck02 on Feb 4, 2018 20:25:09 GMT
I see a few comments on management here. One thing I'd say is that Shanahan should have been replaced before he was sent off. Immediately after his yellow, he fouled again and was lucky not to be booked again. He should have been taken off after that free. On Hassett, he ran behind Shane Murphys goal at one stage, in what seemed to me an attempt to take the spare ball that was there. The ref cleared him. That was before his transgressions later on. If its not a deliberate tactic to have him in and about causing a bit of mayhem, then he needs to be reigned in IMO. To be fair, a sub was togged off and ready to come on. There was no break in play to bring on the sub. Player has to take some responsibility knowing he was on a yellow. Regarding Ambrose, his constant calling (over the last few years) for Mark Griffin to be played at centre back, just because he is big is comical. Sorry but you are wrong there. Shanahan was booked for the incident which led to Evan Regan going off with the serious injury. After Shane Enright had slipped and Shanahan had to cover to stop a goal. The very next play, Shanahan fouled (Cillian O Connor I think) on the 13m line. Ref pulled his notebook out, looked at Shanahan and put the book away again. The sub should have been made then. It was a few minutes later when Shanahan eventually and inevitably was sent off.
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Post by Kerryman 2 on Feb 4, 2018 20:38:33 GMT
Anyone got a link to the full game
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Post by Corner Back on Feb 4, 2018 20:41:19 GMT
To be fair, a sub was togged off and ready to come on. There was no break in play to bring on the sub. Player has to take some responsibility knowing he was on a yellow. Regarding Ambrose, his constant calling (over the last few years) for Mark Griffin to be played at centre back, just because he is big is comical. Sorry but you are wrong there. Shanahan was booked for the incident which led to Evan Regan going off with the serious injury. After Shane Enright had slipped and Shanahan had to cover to stop a goal. The very next play, Shanahan fouled (Cillian O Connor I think) on the 13m line. Ref pulled his notebook out, looked at Shanahan and put the book away again. The sub should have been made then. It was a few minutes later when Shanahan eventually and inevitably was sent off. 'sub should have been made then'... After that incident Eamon called for the sub. Kick out was taken and there was no further break (or 'a few minutes later as you refer to it) before sending off. Amazing how a player gets themself sent off but it is someone else fault!
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Post by buck02 on Feb 4, 2018 20:46:06 GMT
Corner Back. Fair enough I'll take your word for it. I did see that Andrew Barry was ready to go on but I still think as soon as the ball went over the bar the sub should have been made.
It was only a small nitpicking thing from me that I thought could have had us under less pressure.
On a related note, the Mayo inside forward line have been brilliantly coached at fouling the back before the ball comes in. And then inviting the pull as the ball is coming in. Could work out well for them come summer with refs like Gough wanting to give those eye catching frees from 60 metres away.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 4, 2018 21:02:46 GMT
I'm with buck02 on this one, the line were too slow dealing with the Shanahan situation. In fact they didn't deal with it.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 4, 2018 21:16:21 GMT
A pleasure to have been in Castlebar last night to witness this young Kerry team stand up and win the game. A performance full of energy and football and they refused to be bullied by stronger Mayo players.
Kerry have conceded 5 five goals and missed two penalties in the two games. They still sit on the table on four points and plus four on scoring averages. Add the 21 points to this and it give real collateral to the football they have played over the past two games. The enthusiasm and the will to play football has been a joy to watch.
The lack of a kick out strategy is still the elephant in the room. I've seen no semblance of one being developed over the past few seasons. The top teams will crucify this lack of a kick out strategy in Croker. Mainly Dublin followed by Mayo. It is a major concern and not having all the parts in place to carry it out. Controlling the restart is critical in the modern game.
Ten out of ten to the players over the past few weeks. You wont better the zeal of quality youth matted to extreme fitness. Ask Micko........................
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Post by buck02 on Feb 4, 2018 21:20:21 GMT
I'm with buck02 on this one, the line were too slow dealing with the Shanahan situation. In fact they didn't deal with it. I thought I was going mad so I just watched back that bit of the game. After the free OConnor missed which should have been a second yellow, it was almost 5 minutes before Shanahan was sent off. Paul Murphy and Big Brendan kicked points during this time. There was loads of opportunities to make the change.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 4, 2018 21:21:31 GMT
I'm with buck02 on this one, the line were too slow dealing with the Shanahan situation. In fact they didn't deal with it. I thought I was going mad so I just watched back that bit of the game. After the free OConnor missed which should have been a second yellow, it was almost 5 minutes before Shanahan was sent off. Paul Murphy and Big Brendan kicked points during this time. There was loads of opportunities to make the change. Spot on, at least five minutes if not more. He should have been pulled there and then.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 4, 2018 21:28:01 GMT
I'd say when Fitzmaurice delivered his message of the 3 keys things he wanted from last nights game, one of them would have been to stand up to Mayo and not let them dictate the physical stakes like they did last August. It needed to be done and it was done. In fairness to the starting team and subs last night, I wouldnt say anybody had a bad game. In Jason Foley, Briain Begley, Paul Murphy, Gavin Crowley, Peter Crowley (who am I forgetting?) we seem to have backs who will have the pace to live with Dublin's forwards come the summer. I would worry about them this year physically against Mayo and Dublin however.Stephen O Brien was not happy being taken off and spent a good 20 seconds talking to Fitzmaurice before he made his way up the steps. BJK showed while he is still there or thereabouts on the starting 15, even though many people you'd talk to would be critical of him. Mayo seemed not to know what to do with the extra man and Kerry just created a wall down the centre and were happy to let Mayo play down the wings if they wanted. One man who I thought really stood up and led when we were down to 13 was Paul Geaney. I was critical of his attitude last Sunday but I felt he stood up when needed in the 2nd half last night. I see a few comments on management here. One thing I'd say is that Shanahan should have been replaced before he was sent off. Immediately after his yellow, he fouled again and was lucky not to be booked again. He should have been taken off after that free. On Hassett, he ran behind Shane Murphys goal at one stage, in what seemed to me an attempt to take the spare ball that was there. The ref cleared him. That was before his transgressions later on. If its not a deliberate tactic to have him in and about causing a bit of mayhem, then he needs to be reigned in IMO. EDIT: The back I am forgetting is Gavin WhiteI wouldn't write them off either this year if they get the team supremely fit and keep them fresh. I 'd say Stephen was just having a general chat with EF, not too much in it I'd say to be fair.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 4, 2018 21:32:54 GMT
The word is that Evan Regans jaw is broken
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Post by Joxer on Feb 4, 2018 22:05:34 GMT
On another note, there really is no excuse for the state of the pitch last night...a cross between a big and a beach. If that’s the best pitch available in Mayo then it probably explains a thing or two about their lack of success since 1952 on pitches that are actually playable....
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Post by kot on Feb 4, 2018 23:01:19 GMT
Some of the officiating was bizarre. The throw up for Mayo's first goal, he may aswell have just handed it to O'Shea. And the decision to black card O'Beaglaoich who was on the ground after being forearm smashed by said O'Shea was baffling. O'Shea seemed to think he was going to have an easy night of it put Crowley but that thought to bed from the get go. Sean O'Shea continues to shine, great cojonas shown after missing pen & 45 late in first half, in the face of some deplorable sledging after the penalty miss. Reminded of Ruud Van Nistelrooy against Arsenal in 2003. It was night & day from the first game in terms of maturity and nouse, 1st da out Kerry showed unbelievable naivety to nearly get caught out against 14 men. Here we showed incredible cohesion to shut down a game with 13 men, aided somewhat by Mayos wayward shooting and a bit of luck. On the downside, we are still coughing up several goal chances per game. I don't know how effective our approach will be against a team with the strength of Dublin in full flight. And its too early to call either way, but I'm still not convinced the dreaded goalkeeper question is answered.
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Post by homerj on Feb 5, 2018 12:30:39 GMT
On the downside, we are still coughing up several goal chances per game. I don't know how effective our approach will be against a team with the strength of Dublin in full flight. And its too early to call either way, but I'm still not convinced the dreaded goalkeeper question is answered. Shane Murphy is a class keeper, he will come good. already i see a huge improvement in our kick outs, dont forget we are missing probably our 3 best fielders of the ball yet still won a huge amount of our own kick outs the last night. we dominated that game for 50 mins until the 2 red cards. after that, game management was superb.
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Post by gamechanger10 on Feb 5, 2018 13:48:41 GMT
Folks does anyone know how to view the game as I dont have Eir sports and all I can get are the highlights. Was Evan Regans injury as a result of an accidental or intentional strike ??
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Post by buck02 on Feb 5, 2018 13:56:27 GMT
Folks does anyone know how to view the game as I dont have Eir sports and all I can get are the highlights. Was Evan Regans injury as a result of an accidental or intentional strike ?? Evan Regan side-stepped Ronan Shanahan as he was getting back to cover. Shanahan put out his arm to try stop him. In real time it looked bad but the slow motion replays didnt show an elbow or even an arm to the face but there must have been some contact - unless he broke his jaw when he hit the ground which would be unlikely?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 13:57:58 GMT
Folks does anyone know how to view the game as I dont have Eir sports and all I can get are the highlights. Was Evan Regans injury as a result of an accidental or intentional strike ?? Intentional - the back knew what he was doing - if it happened to one of our forwards there would be an outcry
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Post by keane on Feb 5, 2018 13:59:01 GMT
I thought he must have broken the jaw in his fall also. Didn't look like any contact above the shoulder in the footage.
Has it actually been confirmed he broke his jaw by the way?
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Post by animal on Feb 5, 2018 14:17:09 GMT
Evan Regan must hate playing Kerry. Have a look at this clip from a couple of years ago in Killarney. Very unfortunate in fairness. Wish him a speedy recovery
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 14:18:54 GMT
Lads in all fairness I don't see why some people are complaining. They are doing very well so far. 2 wins from 2 games. Fitzmaurice is doing a good job giving them game time. The fact that we are missing a lot has helped because a lot of youth have taken their chance.
Jason Foley has all the makings of being a stud at full back. He can make that spot his own this year. Sean O'Se is a class act and can start at no.11 come the summer. We have options now at midfield where we didn't in the past. David Clifford will be fine. A great player who will get better and better.
Paul Murphy Shane Enright Gavin Crowley Ronan Shanahan Paul Geaney Jack Barry are playing great stuff for this time of year. Barry O'Sullivan Mike Burns Cormac Coffey can only benefit from playing teams like Mayo. As far as i can see it's been a really positive start to the year. There is plenty youth too to challenge for spots. Gavin White and Conor Geaney just to name 2. Things are looking up right now.
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Post by kerryexile on Feb 5, 2018 14:56:25 GMT
Lads in all fairness I don't see why some people are complaining. They are doing very well so far. 2 wins from 2 games. Fitzmaurice is doing a good job giving them game time. The fact that we are missing a lot has helped because a lot of youth have taken their chance. Jason Foley has all the makings of being a stud at full back. He can make that spot his own this year. Sean O'Se is a class act and can start at no.11 come the summer. We have options now at midfield where we didn't in the past. David Clifford will be fine. A great player who will get better and better. Paul Murphy Shane Enright Gavin Crowley Ronan Shanahan Paul Geaney Jack Barry are playing great stuff for this time of year. Barry O'Sullivan Mike Burns Cormac Coffey can only benefit from playing teams like Mayo. As far as i can see it's been a really positive start to the year. There is plenty youth too to challenge for spots. Gavin White and Conor Geaney just to name 2. Things are looking up right now. Nacrocaigh - I agree 100% with you. I don't think winning the league is a priority for Kerry. The aim is to blood players and avoid relegation and they are aims that are not always compatible. What the players have delivered so far is as much as we could have wished for. There are things to work on but there is a long summer for that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 15:03:45 GMT
Definitely i agree exile there are things to work on. There is a great hunger there from the young players. They all want to wear the jersey and be on the panel from the Championship. I'll tell you some of these older players will have their work cut out for them trying to secure a spot on the panel now.
Fitzmaurice has plenty options now with those 4 minor teams coming through. Some fellas now will have to be playing well for their clubs now to get a look.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 15:23:23 GMT
Definitely i agree exile there are things to work on. There is a great hunger there from the young players. They all want to wear the jersey and be on the panel from the Championship. I'll tell you some of these older players will have their work cut out for them trying to secure a spot on the panel now. Fitzmaurice has plenty options now with those 4 minor teams coming through. Some fellas now will have to be playing well for their clubs now to get a look. Nail on head - some of the older brigade should be made to play with their clubs and depending on form brought back in. Not disrespecting anybody but for too long now it was harder to get taken out of the senior panel than it was to make it. I strongly feel another one or two guys should have made the tough call this year as Brian Sheehan did.
Overall looking pretty positive for the time of year - some fellas really starting to put their hands up. Foley, Burns, Crowley and O Se in particular - great to see
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 5, 2018 15:34:29 GMT
What effect is the new kickout rule having if any....the ball must pass the twenty metre line. Hard to say so far it seems to me.
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Post by Jo90 on Feb 5, 2018 16:40:11 GMT
No Offence Ballythefireside but I had you down for older than 35 Doesn't "In all my 35 adult years" mean that he's 53???
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Post by veteran on Feb 5, 2018 17:18:07 GMT
I didn't anticipate this win. I got the result during the interval at the Gaeity Theatre . I was enjoying Sive up to that but but my enjoyment was heightened no end when I got that news.
Tommy Tiernan played the part of Thomasheen Sean Rua, the matchmaker, and was brilliant. Of course it is a great part with tons of great lines and he is a central figure in the play. A lesser performer could have undone the entire play but Tommy embraced it head on and used all his stage craft to soar. An interesting feature of Sive is that it features two tinkers , that is what they were know as when the play was staged first in the late fifties. Those two characters are a father some known as Pats Bocock and Carhthalawn. Pats has a speaking role and Cartlhalawn sings and plays the bodhran.
Interestingly, in this production these roles are played by two women, Marie Mullen and Radie Peat. Marie Mullen is very experienced actress and played the part of Pats Bocock as good as I have seen it interpreted . I had not heard of Radie Peat until Mickmack mentioned her here last week . He said he was a friend of hers asked me them to comment on her performance. Now, these two characters have an important role in the play.. Pats Bocock acts as a kind of local news dispenser /social commentator consequent on his /her calling as a traveller. Whereas Carhalawn function is to sing bitterly about about the unsavoury shenanigans and the untimely ending of the innocent Sive to the accompaniment of the bodhran. How did Radie fare? There is no doubt she has a sweet voice but I do not think she carried off the role to my satisfaction. I feel the berating of the matchmaker and Mena requires a more vigorous , a more abrasive , dare I say it , a more masculine voice to render those compositions of John B to strike home more bitingly. I also felt her playing of the bodhran was too refined. The bodhran is a great weapon to evoke a mood. When the corpse of poor Sive was lying on the slab I felt her singing and playing failed to capture the pathos of the grim , heartbreaking ending of the play. It must be said that the ending was not helped by the inept acting of Liam Scuab(Sean Doyle) Sive's lover. He has a. key part at the end of the play but failed in that role. Indeed he was the weakest actor in the play.
All in all , a wonderful night's entertainment. Well worth the trip to Dublin. The ending was a little unsatisfactory for the reasons outlined.
Mickmack , I hope you are not offended by my comments on Radie Peat. Remember, it is the opinion of just one person. I have no doubt other people will rave about her contribution.
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