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Post by seaniebo on Jul 31, 2017 11:16:24 GMT
If the gulf between the elite and chasing pack needed to become more clear then yesterday certainly proved that in abundance. A very average Kerry performance was enough to easily swat away the Galway challenge. That's where we're at. As for Roscommon. No disrespect but what would the likes of Dublin have beaten them by yesterday? You could put your house on it that it would be a double figure. I fear for Mayo. I had a perfect view of proceedings from the upper Cusack. We certainly were torn apart easily at times. David Moran was sound asleep for a couple of these instances in worryingly similar fashion to his first half performance against Cork. We need David Moran on his game. This is where the gaps were being created resulting in last ditch panic stations and some heroics from Kelly. Yes we can improve in this area - no doubt about that - but Mr Moran needs to up his game big style.
For me Buckley was fantastic and made up for a lot of the dirty petrol out around the middle. It was a close call for me between him and Paul Murphy for man of the match. The Rathmore man was excellent and is a joy to watch.
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Post by pillar on Jul 31, 2017 11:24:59 GMT
It's evident that Kerry have worked on their kickout strategy .For so long it seemed like we had none and our keepers were then unfairly been compared to Cluxton who had a strategy. And for a fella who gets a lot of flak on here I thought Brian Kelly was superb in this regard yesterday.And a lesser acknowledged fact too as well is his vocals to his defence.He commands the back line to great effect.He gave a performance worthy of the No.1 shirt.
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Post by gamechanger10 on Jul 31, 2017 11:47:37 GMT
It's always good to win playing badly and we blew their candle out with a very shallow breath yesterday. One or two of our backs would be absolutely tattooed if we were playing the Dubs on yesterday's and yesteryears performance, you simply need more than tasty football skills when you are minding the back door, you need a warrior with the instinct to play in the position and if these players continue to hold these positions they will be heavily targeted and it will be "lights out Sutty" I'm afraid.
Buckley, Murphy, Donaghy and Kelly all played well yesterday and the big man may have got the nod for the man of the match award if even one his team mates had kicked one or two high balls into him in the second half. I couldn't understand the lack of instinct within the team, surely they could smell the blood in the water but that screamingly obvious mismatch was only exploited on I think on four occasions while he was on the field. If we meet Mayo in the semifinal I hope they test them with more high ball. The Mayo team would have caused us no end of problems with their running yesterday and maybe the bloodie nose they got yesterday will give them good reason to tighten up.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 31, 2017 12:02:35 GMT
Who was supposed to be marking the Galway number 12....5 points from play!
Apart from Fionn, Peter Crowley looked off the pace.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 31, 2017 12:04:31 GMT
Who was supposed to be marking the Galway number 12....5 points from play! Apart from Fionn, Peter Crowley looked off the pace. Crowley was extremely loose yesterday.
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Post by buck02 on Jul 31, 2017 12:12:28 GMT
Fionn was caught terribly for Ian Burke's and Galway's first goal chance. Unacceptable. Some redemption from block on Comer's shot. Shanahan would not have been caught in that position. I think Fionn is fine player ball in hand, but not strong enough defensively, physically or positionally. Punching ball in second half which is kamikaze play, not his fault because his lack of height constrained him. He's our weakest defender. Nothing personal, just cold analysis with the eyes. My thoughts exactly. Fionn an excellent ball player and great to watch in possession linking up the back to our midfield & forwards. But he has been targetted and exploited in each of our championship games this year and it seems like a futile exercise to keep him starting. Again, like you say, just being brutally honest and not meaning to speak ill of him in any way - I just think Shanahan & Young would be better options. Griffin is also a bit loose and our backs in general! How in the last 3 seasons have we not remedied our achilles heel of being run at? I was buoyed by Morley's form throughout the season but himself & Crowley were AWOL quite a few times. We put a big score while not playing well which is encouraging. But we are as loose as a Hen Night at 4 am in Dingle at the back which is a massive, massive worry! I'm not having a go at you, but how do you propose you fix the problem of "being run at"? I always hear this "we are vulnerable when teams run at us". What team arent? I thought our 3 of our backs lost their individual battle yesterday. A few of them need to buck up or be benched. Midfield will improve I think. Having Johnny back in there to help is a missive boost. Up front the word I would use to describe some of the play yesterday is indecisive. I know they didnt need to yesterday, but from now on a bit of killer instinct needs to be there. There was 3 more goals yesterday for the taking but the safe option of flicking it over the bar was taken. All in all it was an inevitable result and a typical quarter final display.
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Post by buck02 on Jul 31, 2017 12:12:56 GMT
Who was supposed to be marking the Galway number 12....5 points from play! Apart from Fionn, Peter Crowley looked off the pace. Fionn was on the Galway number 12 from the start.
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Post by KY50 on Jul 31, 2017 12:13:20 GMT
Real improvement needed from Kerry to get past Mayo. Kerry have not met a division one side yet and have got no real test
Mayo will beat Roscommon the next day, the additional matches will bring them on, [ Note They did go to extra time v Cork the previous week so took their time getting into the game
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Post by peanuts on Jul 31, 2017 12:51:39 GMT
On TSG tonight, Dessie tries to get the CCCC to suspend Donaghy. Any comments on Enright s Mcmenamin type shoulder or Donaghy s hands around the neck. Jerseys worn irrelevant in the interests of fairness . I thought Enright's was a black or possibly a red when I saw it in real time but when I saw the replay it looked like he couldn't really do much about it. He had actually stopped and turned into the player more to protect himself that anything. Rory Kavanagh said much the same last night on TSG. Having said all that he could easily have gotten a black. Donaghy's incident looked nasty and he probably should have gotten a yellow card for it. It was never going to be a red. He has a habit of grabbing players by the throat (usually with only the one hand though ) and I think he does it because its not striking and so you're less likely to be sent off for it.
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Post by delorean on Jul 31, 2017 13:04:33 GMT
I agree with the that. It was similar (identical?) to Derek Kavanagh on Colm Cooper back in 2010. It looks ugly and is threatening behaviour so a yellow would be a reasonable punishment, which is what Kavanagh got at the time I think. There's no way it's worthy of a suspension though in my opinion (although Ger Cafferkey is probably praying that the CCCC don't agree. ) I can't see how Enright's could be viewed as a red card offence either to be honest.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 31, 2017 13:18:25 GMT
The teams that are NOT susceptible to teams running through the middle are those teams that are over-defensive.
When these teams turnover two things can happen.
Firstly they counter with manic intensity.
Secondly they look up and have no half forward line to build an effective attack.
Teams in the first bracket tend to have one good year and fade out: no good to a Kerry team who will wish to become even more dominant than the current Dublin side.
Teams in the second bracket just lose.
It is a side-effect of our attacking set up that we are susceptible to these attacks and I for one am glad for it for I believe it is winning football.
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Post by keane on Jul 31, 2017 13:42:44 GMT
It's quite clear that our set up in most games is one that accepts the risk of being susceptible to allowing goal chances for the reward of having a full complement up front.
We can drop a couple of sweepers back, it's not rocket science, but we'll then obviously have people telling us that the only way to beat the Dubs is to push up on Cluxton.
People are inclined to take games in isolation sometimes, the big picture is always September. Our performance yesterday had all the hallmarks of the typical Kerry QF where we haven't the least fear of being beaten and are training and preparing for future games rather than the one we have to play.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 31, 2017 15:20:57 GMT
Dont really watch the sunday game. Only read report about it in the indo. In fairness to des he had to ask the question. There was probbaly rakes about it on twitter. If he asked the Kerry lads are pi**ed, if he didnt the dublin lads are pi**ed.
Suppose they have pi**ed off the dubs enough they think and they don't want Gavin to withdraw interviews. And also they cant afford to have the dubs turning off the sunday game in their droves as losing 20% of dubs is worse than losing 20% of Kerry lad money wise
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 31, 2017 16:06:45 GMT
Dont really watch the sunday game. Only read report about it in the indo. In fairness to des he had to ask the question. There was probbaly rakes about it on twitter. If he asked the Kerry lads are pi**ed, if he didnt the dublin lads are pi**ed. Suppose they have pi**ed off the dubs enough they think and they don't want Gavin to withdraw interviews. And also they cant afford to have the dubs turning off the sunday game in their droves as losing 20% of dubs is worse than losing 20% of Kerry lad money wise He asked the question. He asked what about dermo. Was told that dermo is always involved whereas donaghy ain't. He wasn't happy with that and had another go..... I spose you could say twas "very pointed against curry"
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Post by skybluezone on Jul 31, 2017 18:41:19 GMT
Dont really watch the sunday game. Only read report about it in the indo. In fairness to des he had to ask the question. There was probbaly rakes about it on twitter. If he asked the Kerry lads are pi**ed, if he didnt the dublin lads are pi**ed. Suppose they have pi**ed off the dubs enough they think and they don't want Gavin to withdraw interviews. And also they cant afford to have the dubs turning off the sunday game in their droves as losing 20% of dubs is worse than losing 20% of Kerry lad money wise He asked the question. He asked what about dermo. Was told that dermo is always involved whereas donaghy ain't. He wasn't happy with that and had another go..... I spose you could say twas "very pointed against curry" I thought McGuigans reply was piss poor. The defence that Donaghy only ever caused offence once whereas Connolly is always at it is ridiculous. He also waffled about provocation, and expecting some back if you start it. Which funny enough doesn't seem to wash as an excuse for Connolly when Keegan is reefing the jersey off his back. I suppose the last point is that it was a Kerry pundit that made sure Connolly was nailed on TSG. So it was inevitable that there might be a bit of pushback at some stage when a Kerry lad got involved in an incident, albeit from a Donegal man with an invite from Dessie. Having said all that I do agree that if you are going to act the maggot you can expect a slap in return with no intervention from the ref. But this should apply to all players, Donaghy and Connolly included.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Jul 31, 2017 19:21:09 GMT
what has Connolly got to do with this?? Donaghy reacted badly to provocation from a player, connolly reacted against a linesman with no provocation so how they are comparable is beyond me. the diarmuid connolly incident should have no bearing on any of the debate here.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 31, 2017 19:32:20 GMT
what has Connolly got to do with this?? Donaghy reacted badly to provocation from a player, connolly reacted against a linesman with no provocation so how they are comparable is beyond me. the diarmuid connolly incident should have no bearing on any of the debate here. Connolly has everything to do with everything
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 31, 2017 19:37:06 GMT
He asked the question. He asked what about dermo. Was told that dermo is always involved whereas donaghy ain't. He wasn't happy with that and had another go..... I spose you could say twas "very pointed against curry" I thought McGuigans reply was piss poor. The defence that Donaghy only ever caused offence once whereas Connolly is always at it is ridiculous. He also waffled about provocation, and expecting some back if you start it. Which funny enough doesn't seem to wash as an excuse for Connolly when Keegan is reefing the jersey off his back. I suppose the last point is that it was a Kerry pundit that made sure Connolly was nailed on TSG. So it was inevitable that there might be a bit of pushback at some stage when a Kerry lad got involved in an incident, albeit from a Donegal man with an invite from Dessie. Having said all that I do agree that if you are going to act the maggot you can expect a slap in return with no intervention from the ref. But this should apply to all players, Donaghy and Connolly included. Do you think it desirable that the anchorman on the TSG be a tad unbiased or without an agenda. Anyway....tis up to the refs report. Spillane didn't write the refs report
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 31, 2017 19:48:19 GMT
We have this conversation every year after the quarter final. Were Kerry bad or what? Regarding the Dessie show, the Gooch must have got a dose of the salts last night of what TSG is all about.
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Post by seamus on Jul 31, 2017 20:30:49 GMT
We have this conversation every year after the quarter final. Were Kerry bad or what? Regarding the Dessie show, the Gooch must have got a dose of the salts last night of what TSG is all about. The Gooch could do worse than follow Cinneide and head for the hills to avoid the Trump Show of TSG. Whatever few quid he gets is surely not worth it. There are other platforms where his nous could be better distilled for the public. TSG is just pundits competing for sensationalism to keep themselves in the spotlight. Even boring Dessie Dolan dived in.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 31, 2017 20:45:15 GMT
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Post by skybluezone on Jul 31, 2017 20:53:02 GMT
I thought McGuigans reply was piss poor. The defence that Donaghy only ever caused offence once whereas Connolly is always at it is ridiculous. He also waffled about provocation, and expecting some back if you start it. Which funny enough doesn't seem to wash as an excuse for Connolly when Keegan is reefing the jersey off his back. I suppose the last point is that it was a Kerry pundit that made sure Connolly was nailed on TSG. So it was inevitable that there might be a bit of pushback at some stage when a Kerry lad got involved in an incident, albeit from a Donegal man with an invite from Dessie. Having said all that I do agree that if you are going to act the maggot you can expect a slap in return with no intervention from the ref. But this should apply to all players, Donaghy and Connolly included. Do you think it desirable that the anchorman on the TSG be a tad unbiased or without an agenda.Anyway....tis up to the refs report. Spillane didn't write the refs report I do think its desirable that he be unbiased, but he has to be from somewhere, unless we parachute in a non native. A bit like Croke Park having to be in some county I suppose. I also don't think he's too bad re pro Dublin, but only my opinion. Agree Spillane didn't write the report, but I think we can surmise the incident was highlighted, by Spillane especially, and a multitude of other outlets. So the ref began at a position of not deeming the incident worthy of intervention in real time, and finished by writing about it in his report. Really all I'm saying is that there is an inference on here that TSG (Dessie particularly) are going after Donaghy, and folk are not taking to kindly to it. Understandable. But you cannot have it both ways by saying that Spillane was correct to highlight DC incident, and threw in chapter and verse of the rulebook for good measure, and then say that TSG are wrong to highlight Donaghy incident. I have no issue with KD escaping the rap, but McGuigans "excuse" for it was watery as fcuk.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 31, 2017 20:57:19 GMT
Spillane isn't in the chair. Michael Lyster is light years ahead of Cahill and never cheerleads for the Galway teams.
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Post by keane on Jul 31, 2017 20:59:10 GMT
Sure refs hardly wait till after the Sunday Game the following night to write and submit their reports do they? If Donaghy gets and trouble over this (not sure what rule it would be exactly but anyway) it won't be because Des Cahill said 'but what about Diarmo' ffs.
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Post by fivenarow on Jul 31, 2017 21:05:13 GMT
what has Connolly got to do with this?? Donaghy reacted badly to provocation from a player, connolly reacted against a linesman with no provocation so how they are comparable is beyond me. the diarmuid connolly incident should have no bearing on any of the debate here. Unfortunately for both donaghy & Connolly they don't take dives when they get physically hit both on & off the ball. If donaghy had taken a dive when the full back hit him yesterday he'd be better off in some people's eyes but his DNA means he reacts otherwise. It's a catch 22 situation as these guys get serious abuse & I wouldn't blame them for reacting sometimes. If you react you're wrong & if you dive you're wrong so it's a dodgy situation.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 31, 2017 21:05:28 GMT
Sure refs hardly wait till after the Sunday Game the following night to write and submit their reports do they? If Donaghy gets and trouble over this (not sure what rule it would be exactly but anyway) it won't be because Des Cahill said 'but what about Diarmo' ffs. Tell Brolly that.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 31, 2017 21:07:11 GMT
what has Connolly got to do with this?? Donaghy reacted badly to provocation from a player, connolly reacted against a linesman with no provocation so how they are comparable is beyond me. the diarmuid connolly incident should have no bearing on any of the debate here. Unfortunately for both donaghy & Connolly they don't take dives when they get physically hit both on & off the ball. If donaghy had taken a dive when the full back hit him yesterday he'd be better off in some people's eyes but his DNA means he reacts otherwise. It's a catch 22 situation as these guys get serious abuse & I wouldn't blame them for reacting sometimes. If you react you're wrong & if you dive you're wrong so it's a dodgy situation. He could have turned his arse to the Galway fullback and walked away!
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 31, 2017 21:08:38 GMT
Do you think it desirable that the anchorman on the TSG be a tad unbiased or without an agenda.Anyway....tis up to the refs report. Spillane didn't write the refs report I do think its desirable that he be unbiased, but he has to be from somewhere, unless we parachute in a non native. A bit like Croke Park having to be in some county I suppose. I also don't think he's too bad re pro Dublin, but only my opinion. Agree Spillane didn't write the report, but I think we can surmise the incident was highlighted, by Spillane especially, and a multitude of other outlets. So the ref began at a position of not deeming the incident worthy of intervention in real time, and finished by writing about it in his report. Really all I'm saying is that there is an inference on here that TSG (Dessie particularly) are going after Donaghy, and folk are not taking to kindly to it. Understandable. But you cannot have it both ways by saying that Spillane was correct to highlight DC incident, and threw in chapter and verse of the rulebook for good measure, and then say that TSG are wrong to highlight Donaghy incident. I have no issue with KD escaping the rap, but McGuigans "excuse" for it was watery as fcuk. ok. I will ask you an easier one. Do you think Dessie is a Dub fan and is his position untenable after last night
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Post by southward on Jul 31, 2017 21:14:24 GMT
Two players involved but Des never raised the dig by Kyne that started it, or his subsequent pulling of Star to the ground. And why not? - because Des just wants Donaghy suspended to hurt Kerry; there's no other explanation.
You can't compare it to Connolly/Spillane and I write as one who defended Diarmuid on this occasion. Connolly was doomed as soon as he laid hands on Branagan and it was all over the media a day before Pat chimed in. There was no story around Donaghy until Des concocted one.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 31, 2017 21:16:24 GMT
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