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Post by Mickmack on Jun 30, 2017 8:14:44 GMT
I wouldnt mind but i was at all those finals including replays. Still.... 5 in a row is a bit dodge!
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Post by givehimaball on Jun 30, 2017 13:27:34 GMT
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Post by johnsull55 on Jun 30, 2017 13:37:29 GMT
Anyone know if Minor game is streamed online Sunday?
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 30, 2017 14:03:38 GMT
If Kerry win, EF will be the first Kerry manager to win five Munster titles in a row. Not sure if Kerry won five in a row previously. Mention of five in a row is enought to give Kerry people of a certain vintage the collywobbles!! Eh? Didnt Micko win 9 in row? Dr. Eamonn O'Sullivan surely has as well? Before Micko, Kerry won 5 in a row in 23-27, 29-34, 36-42, 58-65
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 30, 2017 14:08:03 GMT
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Post by delorean on Jun 30, 2017 14:30:54 GMT
Cork's score should be 3-47.
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Post by gaelicden on Jun 30, 2017 18:55:47 GMT
The Kerry Senior Football Team to play Cork in the Munster Senior Football Championship Final in Fitzgerald Stadium Killarney on Sunday next shows 2 changes in personnel from the side that defeated Clare in the semi final; David Moran resumes in midfield following injury in place of Jack Barry and up front Kieran Donaghy comes into the full forward line in place of Barry John Keane.
Killian Young returns to the match day squad following injury and last year’s Minor Captain Sean O’Shea is also included among the subs.
The team captained by Fionn Fitzgerald is as follows:
1. Brian Kelly Killarney Legion 2. Fionn Fitzgerald(C) Dr Crokes 3. Mark Griffin St Michaels-Foilmore 4. Shane Enright Tarbert 5. Peter Crowley Laune Rangers 6. Tadhg Morley Templenoe 7. Paul Murphy Rathmore 8. David Moran Kerins O’Rahillys 9. Anthony Maher Duagh 10. Michael Geaney Dingle 11. Kevin McCarthy Kilcummin 12. Donnchadh Walsh Cromane 13. Paul Geaney Dingle 14. Kieran Donaghy Austin Stacks 15. James O’Donoghue Killarney Legion
Fir Ionaid:
16. Brendan Kealy Kilcummin 17. Jack Barry Na Gaeil 18. Barry John Keane Kerins O’Rahillys 19. Stephen O’Brien Kenmare 20. Jonathan Lyne Killarney Legion 21. Johnny Buckley Dr Crokes 22. Killian Young Renard 23. Darran O’Sullivan Glenbeigh-Glencar 24. Ronan Shanahan Austin Stacks 25. Sean O’Shea Kenmare 26. Tom O’Sullivan Dingle
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 19:16:23 GMT
Have Sheehan and o beaglaoich being dropped?
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Post by gaelicden on Jun 30, 2017 19:22:46 GMT
Have Sheehan and o beaglaoich being dropped? Additional Members of the Kerry Panel: Bryan Sheehan (St Marys), Jack Savage (Kerins O’Rahillys), Gavin Crowley (Templenoe), Jason Foley (Ballydonoghue), Brian Ó Beaglaoich (An Ghaeltacht), Brendan O’Sullivan (Valentia), Denis Daly (St Marys). Adrian Spillane (Templenoe), Gavin White (Dr Crokes), Cathal Ó Lúing (An Ghaeltacht) Looks like it.
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Post by Exiled2Dublin on Jun 30, 2017 20:49:34 GMT
I love that full forward line. Between them, they've got everything.
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Post by veteran on Jun 30, 2017 20:53:39 GMT
That half forward line owes us big time after their inept Clare performance. I do hope management is not as slow as they were in Ennis in making changes if needed. There are plenty of good men on the bench. No point in letting them twiddle their thumbs if some guys are struggling.
I feel KD is very useful member of the panel but I am a little surprised to see him starting . I am not sure of the significance of this move. Perhaps it is felt that Cork have nobody to handle him.
I cannot remember, injury aside , when Bryan Sheehan was left off the panel before. I am disappointed with this decision and not just because it leaves a free taking void.
Any sign of Cork selection? In any case I suspect it will be a dummy selection.
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Post by taggert on Jun 30, 2017 21:06:57 GMT
Should Kerry win on Sunday, no guarantees, their next game is highly likely to be against Mayo. KD is one player they have never managed and therefore it makes sense to play him. Not least to see how our 2 finishers play off him.
On Sunday, he will also keep the full back line honest....
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Post by gaelicden on Jun 30, 2017 21:08:36 GMT
Any sign of Cork selection? In any case I suspect it will be a dummy selection. Corks team to be named tomorrow, as per Cork Gaa website
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 21:17:19 GMT
Donaghy is starting because he is a form player at the moment.
Sean o shea could be the free taker in Sheehans absence
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jun 30, 2017 21:17:22 GMT
Have Sheehan and o beaglaoich being dropped? Interesting to see Séan O'Shea and Tom O'Sullivan preferred.
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Post by southward on Jun 30, 2017 21:42:13 GMT
Good team and a strong bench - all of those subs would start in most IC teams. I just don't get Kelly as first choice keeper though but that's my only real quibble with this selection.
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Post by kerryexile on Jun 30, 2017 21:55:51 GMT
In answer to Veterans question I agree with Taggert but I would extend it to eventually meeting Dublin. Donaghy hasn't played intercounty since last year. The way the Dublin fullback line played in the league final - they cannot be allowed do that again to P Geaney so get the big guns ready.
There are one or two on the team that are lucky to be starting but the overall the 26 is a reasonably good selection. But management have not shown the nerve to put out youth. Its getting to the point where the question must be asked has all the under age success been based on well coached mediocre players who cannot take the next step.
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Post by gamechanger10 on Jun 30, 2017 22:12:43 GMT
That's a serious team and should frighten the bejasous out of all mere mortals,,, but as dangerous a team as they are the bench is just growling with power and potential to change and alter the attacking strategy. I think this could be a special year as we definitely have the armour. Let's hope the generals are well prepared and have a right good plan for each battle.
Gavin is having salad and is spitting lettuce as a result of good old Pats blather on TSG, he didn't say a whole lot wrong to be fair with the exception of of the part he said Connolly was verbally abusing the official, to be fair the man could well have been saying "that was a bleeding Dublin ball, open your eyes". Spillane can't know what he said so he shouldn't have surmised and accused him of being abusive, he may well have been but that was a foolish sratment when he simply had no idea what the exchange involved. Apart from that he was absolutely spot on and to be fair Gavin should not have driven the pick into this particular ant hill...
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Post by southward on Jun 30, 2017 22:18:04 GMT
In answer to Veterans question I agree with Taggert but I would extend it to eventually meeting Dublin. Donaghy hasn't played intercounty since last year. The way the Dublin fullback line played in the league final - they cannot be allowed do that again to P Geaney so get the big guns ready. There are one or two on the team that are lucky to be starting but the overall the 26 is a reasonably good selection. But management have not shown the nerve to put out youth. Its getting to the point where the question must be asked has all the under age success been based on well coached mediocre players who cannot take the next step.You'd have to say that, if anything, it must be the former rather than the latter. I don't think you could describe Killian Spillane, for instance, as a mediocre player by any standards. Full sure he would have made the panel this year; likewise Andrew Barry, Jordan Kiely, insert name etc.. At the same time there aren't any sticks in there either. So when wondering why so and so isn't in, it's only fair at the same time to consider who you'd leave off to accommodate them. It's a tough one and just highlights the glut of talent at the moment. How bad?
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Post by southward on Jun 30, 2017 22:24:54 GMT
Donaghy is starting because he is a form player at the moment. Sean o shea could be the free taker in Sheehans absence Donaghy's entry into the fray the last day lifted Kerry and the Kerry crowd. Gary Brennan, who had been lording it, disappeared thereafter.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 30, 2017 22:57:58 GMT
Serious team and bench, looking forward to seeing how things go on Sunday. If that 26 are the form players at the moment it makes sense that the U21s aren't kicking the door down yet and bodes well towards indication of form of the established players. Their day will come.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jul 1, 2017 8:57:21 GMT
A team that had just set out in transition mode won Sam in '14, how much have we improved v Dubs since?
Comments re selection is futile as only management know our Championship form and then there is the planning side to things.
Is PM now a permanent Half Back?
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Post by glengael on Jul 1, 2017 9:05:07 GMT
I hope PM stays there Bally, I really hope so.
No real surprises, it's a team one could have picked with reasonable certainty last January. Hopefully the strength of the panel will be seen before the summer is out. Agree re changes, I hope they're more pro-active on the line than was the case in Ennis.
Best of luck to all those travelling and give your selves plenty of time on your journeys.
Ciarrai Abu.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 1, 2017 9:45:43 GMT
Don Davis: ‘If I was Kerry, I would be a lot more concerned’
Saturday, July 01, 2017John Fogarty
July 23, 1995. Take That’s ‘Never Forget’ tops the Irish charts. John Daly is adding a second Major with an Open win in St Andrews and Cork are making Killarney their home away from home for a second time in three years.
Éamonn Breen’s second-minute goal wasn’t the most auspicious of starts for the visitors but the identity of Cork’s opening scorer reassured Ciarán O’Sullivan.
He says: “My daughter showed me (footage on YouTube of the game) on the phone the other day and we were down a goal after how many minutes? (Niall) Cahalane got our first score if I’m not mistaken. There are things like that.”
Then there were other positive portents like Don Davis’ three points.
“The biggest shock is that Don actually scored,” laughs O’Sullivan. “I’m constantly saying that Don never scored and of course he had to get three points in ’95. Don was a workhorse. All jokes aside, he would carry ball all day and he would admit himself he wasn’t the biggest scoring man out there.”
O’Sullivan himself posted two points from wing-back on a day when, similar to the semi-final the year before, Cork timed their run perfectly. Colin Corkery was asking supporters hunched on the sideline to move back so he could take a free.
“He had to move the crowd at one stage to kick one over,” recalls Davis. “They were the good old days, pre-health and safety regulations in stadiums. My memory is we had no fear. The score was nip and tuck and we just got over the line at the end of the day.”
That Gary Barlow and co’s song dominated the airwaves at the time is appropriate considering Cork have never been allowed to forget that day, the last time they came away from Fitzgerald Stadium with a SFC win over Kerry.
Davis argues Cork’s thus far 22-year wait for a win there has been “exaggerated to a certain extent in the media” because of the home and away element of the counties’ arrangements. All the same, they have travelled there on 11 occasions since without success.
However, five of those clashes have ended in draws, the latest two years ago when O’Sullivan and Davis were selectors to Brian Cuthbert when it might have appeared Cork, as surprisingly impressive as they were, couldn’t catch a break.
Ciarán O’Sullivan in his heyday with Cork. He feels Cork’s 22-year wait for a win in Killarney has been exaggerated by the media. “Sometimes you can fly under the radar,” recounts Davis of the first 2015 game.
“Preparation was excellent, Brian Cuthbert got everything right from all that I could see and, look, let’s call a spade a spade, a couple of controversial decisions went against us. I’m not too sure if Fionn Fitzgerald was going for a point with that kick either.”
O’Sullivan isn’t as keen to dwell on Pádraig Hughes’ penalty call against Mark Collins on James O’Donoghue. “There are a lot of arguments about the penalty but I don’t even count that. Honestly, we should have won that game regardless. We had the chances.
"So we can complain about the penalty that was given that shouldn’t have been given or the free that was or wasn’t given but we should have won the game, we didn’t do it and it’s very hard when you give Kerry a second chance. We were just a small bit behind them on the second day and we have to take that on the chin.
“We were going in with no hope whatsoever. Among ourselves, we knew the work had been done but at the same time we were given no hope — and rightly so to a degree because Kerry were flying and if you were to go on form they were the team that should have won the first day.”
On paper, Killarney reads as being an unhappy hunting ground for Cork when in fact it more often than not inspires them. In Kerry’s unbeaten run of 11 SFC games against Cork on Upper Lewis Road since 1998, the average margin is two points. “I never had an issue about Killarney,” says O’Sullivan. “The majority of the (Cork) public would nearly prefer to be going down there.”
Davis senses Kerry have more to be fearful of than Cork. “Look, there is nothing much really in Cork and Kerry matches barring huge obvious ones like 2014. Cork are going there with one objective and that’s to win the game; they’re not going down to make up the numbers and I fancy their chances. I think they’re coming around lovely. Contrary to public belief, I’d be shocked if there is much between the sides on Sunday.
“There was a lot of pressure on them but it has been taken off their back with the Tipperary win. The fact the match is being played in Killarney has also taken pressure off the set-up in that there would be a lot more expectation and a lot more public pressure if it was the first game being played in the new Páirc Uí Chaoimh.
"Again, Cork are going in with all to win and nothing to lose and if I was Kerry I would be a lot more concerned because they don’t really know what Cork are going to come with.”
O’Sullivan calls on the players to take matters by the scruff of the neck. “I don’t know if the favourites’ tag ever suited Cork and now nobody is giving them a chance again. We have to stop looking at every other reason why they’re not winning. People need to look at themselves and go out and perform.
“If Cork perform to their abilities then anything is possible. Against the green and gold on their home patch, you need to perform, full stop.”
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 1, 2017 9:48:39 GMT
Versatile Paul Murphy says Cork are ‘arriving with the pressure off’ Saturday, July 01, 2017Michael Moynihan Paul Murphy isn’t buying any of this devalued provincial championship stuff you’re selling. The Kerry star opens with the Munster final as a “great occasion” and kicks on from there. “A Munster final, particularly in Killarney, they seem to get bigger crowds, a lot of the time brilliant weather. They’re great occasions to be involved in. “With regards to the rivalry at home it’s a fairly intense rivalry to be involved in, but at the same time people aren’t falling out over it. People are very into their football out there, but after the game they’ll probably shake hands with their neighbours and they’ll move on. [There are] families where you might have one supporting Kerry and some people supporting Cork out there.” Sharply drawn positions, then. When it comes to Murphy’s place on the field it’s not so clear. “No, the lines between half-forward and half-back they’re blurring all the time. There are players throughout the country who could be named at 12 one day, 5 the next day. “To me it doesn’t matter where you play as long as you’d know before the game or the days coming up to it where you’d be playing and you could have mentally prepared for it, but at the same time even within a game if you’re told to move, to switch positions, you’ll react. “At the end of the day it’s a game of football, it’s what you’ve been practising to do all the time. I probably consider myself more naturally a half-back, in terms that I played most of my football there underage, but I’d also be comfortable in the half-forward line too. "If you’re asking me what my favourite position is that could change from one month to the next. Centre-forward is a lovely position on the right day.” Then there are “horrible days”, as Murphy puts it: “There’s an element of freedom [to playing up front], but the way the game has gone you could be playing centre-forward and you could spend more time chasing a fella back and you could have a horrible day. “There’s days you could be playing wing-forward and you could kill yourself all day trying to get on ball and it just wouldn’t fall for you, it would just pass you by. “Man-marking is still there, but positions are becoming more and more blurred. Rather than having full-back line players you’d nearly have defined man-markers now. That’s still a huge part of the game, but the positions are changing the whole time.” Murphy has also learned to save his energy for game day. “It sounds a bit ignorant, but you kind of try to avoid papers, internet, people! You have to. Without being rude or anything like that, but you have to have a certain amount of tunnel vision. “You have to be ruthless, you have to block out people, block out media all that.” Having said that, he’s well aware that Cork are rank outsiders this weekend. “I wouldn’t say we’re in a no-win,” says Murphy. “There’s a huge carrot there for us. “It’s a Munster final so you’ve a Munster Championship. You have keeping our winning run going in Killarney. You’re avoiding a back door, which this year more than any other years in the past there’s a lot of danger in the back door. “I would agree with you in the sense Cork are arriving with the pressure off. They’re coming into it in a nice position. As you said they’re probably being written off a bit, so they can cut loose basically, the pressure is off them to a certain degree. We’re in our own patch so we’re happy enough with that.” Kerry have had their own taste of being underdogs lately, with some people remarking on the intensity of their celebrations following that league final win over Dublin. Murphy says: “I don’t think our celebrations were that wild, to be honest. you don’t need me to tell you that we’ve suffered at Dublin’s hands so it was a relief, really. “We were fully convinced that we were going to beat them. Any time we played them we’ve believed we’ve been capable of beating them and I think we have been capable of beating them on those occasions and just haven’t finished them off — and that’s a tribute to Dublin, really.” But this weekend is about the neighbours. “It’s still a fierce rivalry, but possibly the thing with the Kerry-Cork rivalry is that the players have changed a lot on both panels in the last three or four years, whereas when they were playing in the noughties, you had very similar panels of players going toe to toe. “You could be playing them in the league, championship and even All-Ireland. Familiarity breeds contempt and it fed into the rivalry a bit and, like you said, we haven’t played Cork since 2016, but I don’t think the rivalry diminished any bit. “It will be and it will be keenly fought, but I think they always have been like that. Maybe it’s just that we haven’t played them in the last 12 months.
“New personal rivalries could develop. I’m sure when the ball is thrown in the next day it’ll be like nothing has changed.”
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 1, 2017 10:15:52 GMT
7 Munster U21 titles to Cork since 2007 and they are rank outsiders. Its hard to make sense of it all even if Cork is mainly a hurling county
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Post by gaelicden on Jul 1, 2017 11:02:30 GMT
The Cork team to play Kerry in the Munster Senior Football Championship Final tomorrow Sunday 2nd July in Fitzgerald Stadium, Killarney @ 2pm has been announced as follows.
1. Ken O' Halloran - (Bishopstown) 2. James Loughrey - (Mallow) 3. Jamie O' Sullivan - (Bishopstown) 4. Sean Powter - (Douglas) 5. Tomas Clancy - (Fermoy) 6. Michael Shields - (St Finbarr's) 7. Kevin Crowley - (Millstreet) 8. Aidan Walsh - (Kanturk) 9. Ian Maguire - (St Finbarr's) 10. Ruairi Deane - (Bantry Blues) 11. Mark Collins - (Castlehaven) 12. Kevin O' Driscoll - (Tadhg MacCarthaigh) 13. Colm O' Neill - (Ballyclough) 14. Luke Connolly - (Nemo Rangers) 15. Paul Kerrigan - (Nemo Rangers) - Captain Subs: 16. Ryan Price - (O Donovan Rossa) 17. Alan O Connor - (St Colums) 18. Barry O' Driscoll - (Nemo Rangers) 19. Colm O' Driscoll - (Tadhg MacCarthaigh) 20. Donncha O' Connor - (Ballydesmond) 21. Eoin Cadogan - (Douglas) 22. Peter Kelleher - (Kilmichael) 23. John O' Rourke - (Carbery Rangers) 24. Michael Hurley - Castlehaven) 25. Niall Coakley - (St Judes) 26. Stephen Cronin - (Nemo Rangers)
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Post by mandad on Jul 1, 2017 11:03:58 GMT
Nobody has been 'dropped' as such. I understand that Brian Sheehan picked up an injury in training recently - Brian Ó Beaglaoich is recovering from injury for a few weeks now and Jack Savage had his appendix issue just last week. All three will be back shortly.
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Post by buck02 on Jul 1, 2017 11:23:01 GMT
I know Seanie O Shea came onto the bench instead of David three weeks ago but its great to see him named on the panel for tomorrow. I can only think of Barry John Walsh and Tommy Walsh to have played for the seniors in their first year out of minor since Declan in 2003.
I like the look of the Kerry team. I can see the thinking behind having Maher in there. We are a small bit light in the middle 8 in terms of height and strength so Maher should help address that.
Nice to have a combination of pace and experience to bring on in the last 30 minutes in the likes of Killian, Jack Barry, Johnny, O'Brien, Darran, Lyne and BJK.
Kerry to hit around the 22 or 23 point mark and win by 6 or 7 for me.
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Post by diego on Jul 1, 2017 11:31:39 GMT
Sean Powter as a corner back.
Surely if you are doing dummy teams, it needs to be a bit more subtle than this.
Has he ever played anywhere in the backs before?
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