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Post by kerryboy83 on Feb 28, 2017 11:52:23 GMT
Patsy also wants to see Dave Moran CB. If this happens I'm wearing a blindfold at that game . Kerry get cut open easily down through the middle of the defence. Imagine Moran there😬😬😬 You'd at least want someone there who can tackle instead of someone sticking out a lazy arm Exactly. God it wud be frightening to see Moran and the likes of Kevin Mc of Dublin running at him😬
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 13:24:08 GMT
Nacrocaigh...I asked you this question time back but got no reply.... Here goes again... Who would you look to to replace EF as manager. Do you know anyone who wants the job No point asking that question. I dont know anyone. Fitzmaurice was given two more years without asking anyone. It's too late now we are stuck with him now. Liam Kearns, Stephen Wallace, Donie Buckley in some capacity. I think it's time too to look outside the County for a Manager.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 28, 2017 16:42:21 GMT
Jack followed by Pat O'Shea/Liam Kerins are probably the only alternatives in the county. Stephen Stack has not cut his teeth at county level yet or Stephen Wallace beyond the juniors. There isn't exactly either an orderly or unruly cue of experienced coaches waiting in the wings. Maybe Mike Quirke will consider steeping up to county underage level at some point. Darragh, Oige, Mickey Ned and Jacko have all experienced the difficulty in stepping up from playing to management straight away. With the way the game is evolving it looks like an apprenticeship is required now.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 28, 2017 17:07:44 GMT
A lot of negativity here and I have waited commenting on the game hoping my own negativity would ebb away a bit more. It hasn't. There are positives, but very few. In fairness to Monaghan I think we totally underestimated them, like Roscommon last year, and they had their homework done a lot better than us. In the first two games Kerry had started well and the full forward line was in constant motion, causing all kinds of problems for the opposition. In the first two games Kerry showed weakness when teams run at them. In the first two games Kerry became totally disjointed in the second half and almost fully collapsed when the subs came on. Monaghan had to do three things to win the game: - Hold on to the ball and make sure the Kerry full forward line were not getting much possession and weren't able to run riot
- Stay patient and run at Kerry in packs and at pace using strength, speed and weight
- Keep the score low until the 50th minute and stay within a few scores of Kerry
Monaghan did all that very effectively. In the first half Monaghan used their excellent midfield to win most of the kickouts and their half back line was always there to win breaking ball. Once possession was secured Monaghan played cat and mouse with Kerry, forcing Kerry to defend in their own half. By pushing up at Kerry and holding on the possession they made Kerry defend at a period when Kerry should be scoring freely. The Kerry half forward lines were dropping back in defence and even Kerry's full forward line spend most of the first half in our own half. Everytime Kerry did win any possession there was nobody in front of the Monaghan goal to score. When kerry did win possession Monaghan went back to their own half and retreated faster than Kerry spilled forward. Kerry had to work very hard for every score and were wasteful with the chances we've got. Again, like in the first two games, we had a few goal chances that we didn't take and again we had too many wides. The Kerry forwards scored very little from play. What is the point in talking about the brilliance of Paul Geaney, James O'Donoghue and Jack savage if we can't have them scoring? The point in having such excellent forwards is to have them score freely. We have two guys in the half forward line that are excellent defenders, but that doesn't mean we should have them defending all the time. In modern football the difference between half backs and half forwards seems to quickly disappear. Half backs go forward and score and half forwards go back and defend. Murphy and Lyne can do both, but it doesn't seem like we have a plan to best use those abilities. We seem to be totally focused on counteracting what Dublin are doing and seem obsessed with it. Instead we should be focusing on our own gameplan and not worry so much at what will, or will not, happen later in the year. We have an abundance in half backs, but no fullback. Shane Enright is becoming our main man in the full back line together with Killian Young, but we still haven't found a role for Mark Griffin. Mark griffin is not a full back and that is not his fault. His natural ability makes him want to go forward whenever he can and he is brilliant at that. That leaves Killian and Shane back, but int he first two games they were on the opposition's best forwards. Killian and Shane kept the likes of Murphy and McManus quiet, but when they are marking the forwards it leaves a gap at the back which is easily exploited by the opposition by running hard through the middle. Foley is a much more natural full back, but Foley and Ó Beaglaoich are needed with the U21s. We also should not expect too much of young players straight away, putting way too much pressure on them. We need to solve the full back problem soon though and I think most of us hope that Foley will solve the problem once the U21s season is over. Crowley, Morley, Young were our best players and started most of the attacks. There is something wrong though in my opinion if we constantly expect a corner back and two half backs to create scores and opportunities. James O'Donoghue did not score from play (3 frees), Paul Geaney did not score from play (3 frees), Jack Savage did not score from play, Jonathan Lyne did not score from play, Barry John Keane did not score from play (1 free), Adrian Spillane did not score from play, Darran O'Sullivan did not score from play. Instead Paul Murphy was our only forward to score from play with a midfielder, David Moran, getting goal, a wing back, Tadhg Morley to get the only other score from play and our goalkeeper to score a free. Kealy in goals was not perfect. The kickouts were wrong, wrong, wrong and only when we went short we did win possession, though Monaghan always pressed up on us every time we went short. Crowley, Morley and Young were impressive going forward, but Barry, Moran and Maher did not seem able to secure enough possession in midfield to go long with the kickouts. We put a lot of pressure on the Monaghan kickouts as well and created a lot of turnovers, but unlike Monaghan we could not make this into scoring. Kealy's next task would be to stop goals going in and we didn't succeed in that either. It seems like I'm singling out Kealy, but like Kelly he was put under pressure, by not having a real fullback in front of him. Instead we saw things like James O'Donohue back in defence preventing a certain run at goal. Kealy was called out twice to take a free and missed one, scored one. If a goalkeeper has to come to take the frees, we are in trouble in my opinion. In recent games it was Moran who took the frees that were further out and it wasn't a success so maybe they were trying this out in training in the last few weeks. The body language of the other players when Kealy came running up to take the frees said it all though. Kealy is not worse as a goalkeeper than Kelly, but neither are in good form currently. Surely there are goalkeepers in Kerry that can do better on the kickouts. Sheehan was unlucky to get send off straight away. I thought his catch was excellent and he put Hughes under more pressure than he had been under all game. Kieran decided to bully Sheehan and Bryan would have won a certain free, if not a yellow for Hughes, but instead retaliated. Surely he was provoked and it was cynical by Hughes, but it was very stupid to retaliate in such a way right in front of the linesman (our beloved Conor Lane) and the referee. Obviously, he will be as disappointed as anyone with this and I hope the Kerry county board will do all they can to get the card rescinded. In recent years we seem to have become too nice and too complacent though. While other counties fight till the bitter end for their players we seem to accept cards without any murmuring at all. Kerry are perceived by other counties and the media by now as soft targets. Run at Kerry and Kerry will foul and give a free away. Our very own media personalities do Kerry no favours at all by putting more emphasis on this either. It is by now easy to bully Kerry. It is not all about size, but Kerry need someone like Donaghy who will draw a line in the sand and refuses to buckle. We need a Johnny Buckley. In my opinion Sheehan too is one of those players that will not be bullied. We need more tenacity and we need to lay down a marker. Yes, it is only February and no All Ireland is won in February, but I think it is being lost in February. We need to lay down a marker and show we can beat these teams. We need to get under their skins, rather than they under ours. Like with Cork it does Kerry no harm at all if the likes of Monaghan and Mayo believe it will be very hard to beat us. So far, all we have done is give Mayo and Monaghan more believe that Kerry are no threat at all. Even Donegal will believe they can beat Kerry based on the last 15 minutes fo that game and the collapses by Kerry in the Monaghan and Mayo games. We now simply have to win the Roscommon and Cavan games at the very least and hope other results go our way as well. Neither Roscommon nor Cavan will be pushovers and we are in no way sure we can beat them both. Both games are away and if we play like in the last two games we won't win. Ideally, we beat Tyrone and Dublin as well at home, because we have to win home games and simply have to get some positive results. Staying in division 1 just by beating the minnows is not good enough. I realise that we are probably doing a lot of training and a lot of the more successful moves that we see at the moment seem to come straight from the playbook, but we need to get a winning attitude. We seem uninterested in winning at the moment, but the last thing we want is for players to be happy losing games.
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Post by Kingdomson on Feb 28, 2017 18:24:38 GMT
Given the comprehensive nature of the defeat to Dublin in last year's league final, I honestly expected a big drive by Kerry to make amends this season. Some would tell you the league doesn’t matter but current All Ireland Champions Dublin are bidding for a possible 5 NFLs titles in a row! Kerry should be all out to be the team that stop’s this from happening but we look way off the mark.
Regardless of our current league form the reality is Éamonn Fitzmaurice is in the job until the end of this year's Championship but beyond that? It surely depends on how it goes for Kerry in the Championship.
I was delighted to see Maurice Fitzgerald drafted into the Kerry management setup and indeed would find it far more comforting if Éamonn’s consigliere on the sideline during actual games was Maurice, rather than the current thespian that inhabits the role. Maurice won’t play to the gallery and his a cool customer. I would have thought Maurice could be a possible candidate for future manager?
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Post by Premier on Feb 28, 2017 18:36:09 GMT
A lot of negativity here and I have waited commenting on the game hoping my own negativity would ebb away a bit more. It hasn't. There are positives, but very few. In fairness to Monaghan I think we totally underestimated them, like Roscommon last year, and they had their homework done a lot better than us. In the first two games Kerry had started well and the full forward line was in constant motion, causing all kinds of problems for the opposition. In the first two games Kerry showed weakness when teams run at them. In the first two games Kerry became totally disjointed in the second half and almost fully collapsed when the subs came on. Monaghan had to do three things to win the game: - Hold on to the ball and make sure the Kerry full forward line were not getting much possession and weren't able to run riot
- Stay patient and run at Kerry in packs and at pace using strength, speed and weight
- Keep the score low until the 50th minute and stay within a few scores of Kerry
Monaghan did all that very effectively. In the first half Monaghan used their excellent midfield to win most of the kickouts and their half back line was always there to win breaking ball. Once possession was secured Monaghan played cat and mouse with Kerry, forcing Kerry to defend in their own half. By pushing up at Kerry and holding on the possession they made Kerry defend at a period when Kerry should be scoring freely. The Kerry half forward lines were dropping back in defence and even Kerry's full forward line spend most of the first half in our own half. Everytime Kerry did win any possession there was nobody in front of the Monaghan goal to score. When kerry did win possession Monaghan went back to their own half and retreated faster than Kerry spilled forward. Kerry had to work very hard for every score and were wasteful with the chances we've got. Again, like in the first two games, we had a few goal chances that we didn't take and again we had too many wides. The Kerry forwards scored very little from play. What is the point in talking about the brilliance of Paul Geaney, James O'Donoghue and Jack savage if we can't have them scoring? The point in having such excellent forwards is to have them score freely. We have two guys in the half forward line that are excellent defenders, but that doesn't mean we should have them defending all the time. In modern football the difference between half backs and half forwards seems to quickly disappear. Half backs go forward and score and half forwards go back and defend. Murphy and Lyne can do both, but it doesn't seem like we have a plan to best use those abilities. We seem to be totally focused on counteracting what Dublin are doing and seem obsessed with it. Instead we should be focusing on our own gameplan and not worry so much at what will, or will not, happen later in the year. We have an abundance in half backs, but no fullback. Shane Enright is becoming our main man in the full back line together with Killian Young, but we still haven't found a role for Mark Griffin. Mark griffin is not a full back and that is not his fault. His natural ability makes him want to go forward whenever he can and he is brilliant at that. That leaves Killian and Shane back, but int he first two games they were on the opposition's best forwards. Killian and Shane kept the likes of Murphy and McManus quiet, but when they are marking the forwards it leaves a gap at the back which is easily exploited by the opposition by running hard through the middle. Foley is a much more natural full back, but Foley and Ó Beaglaoich are needed with the U21s. We also should not expect too much of young players straight away, putting way too much pressure on them. We need to solve the full back problem soon though and I think most of us hope that Foley will solve the problem once the U21s season is over. Crowley, Morley, Young were our best players and started most of the attacks. There is something wrong though in my opinion if we constantly expect a corner back and two half backs to create scores and opportunities. James O'Donoghue did not score from play (3 frees), Paul Geaney did not score from play (3 frees), Jack Savage did not score from play, Jonathan Lyne did not score from play, Barry John Keane did not score from play (1 free), Adrian Spillane did not score from play, Darran O'Sullivan did not score from play. Instead Paul Murphy was our only forward to score from play with a midfielder, David Moran, getting goal, a wing back, Tadhg Morley to get the only other score from play and our goalkeeper to score a free. Kealy in goals was not perfect. The kickouts were wrong, wrong, wrong and only when we went short we did win possession, though Monaghan always pressed up on us every time we went short. Crowley, Morley and Young were impressive going forward, but Barry, Moran and Maher did not seem able to secure enough possession in midfield to go long with the kickouts. We put a lot of pressure on the Monaghan kickouts as well and created a lot of turnovers, but unlike Monaghan we could not make this into scoring. Kealy's next task would be to stop goals going in and we didn't succeed in that either. It seems like I'm singling out Kealy, but like Kelly he was put under pressure, by not having a real fullback in front of him. Instead we saw things like James O'Donohue back in defence preventing a certain run at goal. Kealy was called out twice to take a free and missed one, scored one. If a goalkeeper has to come to take the frees, we are in trouble in my opinion. In recent games it was Moran who took the frees that were further out and it wasn't a success so maybe they were trying this out in training in the last few weeks. The body language of the other players when Kealy came running up to take the frees said it all though. Kealy is not worse as a goalkeeper than Kelly, but neither are in good form currently. Surely there are goalkeepers in Kerry that can do better on the kickouts. Sheehan was unlucky to get send off straight away. I thought his catch was excellent and he put Hughes under more pressure than he had been under all game. Kieran decided to bully Sheehan and Bryan would have won a certain free, if not a yellow for Hughes, but instead retaliated. Surely he was provoked and it was cynical by Hughes, but it was very stupid to retaliate in such a way right in front of the linesman (our beloved Conor Lane) and the referee. Obviously, he will be as disappointed as anyone with this and I hope the Kerry county board will do all they can to get the card rescinded. In recent years we seem to have become too nice and too complacent though. While other counties fight till the bitter end for their players we seem to accept cards without any murmuring at all. Kerry are perceived by other counties and the media by now as soft targets. Run at Kerry and Kerry will foul and give a free away. Our very own media personalities do Kerry no favours at all by putting more emphasis on this either. It is by now easy to bully Kerry. It is not all about size, but Kerry need someone like Donaghy who will draw a line in the sand and refuses to buckle. We need a Johnny Buckley. In my opinion Sheehan too is one of those players that will not be bullied. We need more tenacity and we need to lay down a marker. Yes, it is only February and no All Ireland is won in February, but I think it is being lost in February. We need to lay down a marker and show we can beat these teams. We need to get under their skins, rather than they under ours. Like with Cork it does Kerry no harm at all if the likes of Monaghan and Mayo believe it will be very hard to beat us. So far, all we have done is give Mayo and Monaghan more believe that Kerry are no threat at all. Even Donegal will believe they can beat Kerry based on the last 15 minutes fo that game and the collapses by Kerry in the Monaghan and Mayo games. We now simply have to win the Roscommon and Cavan games at the very least and hope other results go our way as well. Neither Roscommon nor Cavan will be pushovers and we are in no way sure we can beat them both. Both games are away and if we play like in the last two games we won't win. Ideally, we beat Tyrone and Dublin as well at home, because we have to win home games and simply have to get some positive results. Staying in division 1 just by beating the minnows is not good enough. I realise that we are probably doing a lot of training and a lot of the more successful moves that we see at the moment seem to come straight from the playbook, but we need to get a winning attitude. We seem uninterested in winning at the moment, but the last thing we want is for players to be happy losing games. There isn't a hope Sheehan will get that card rescinded. I wouldn't exactly say punching someone in the face qualifies you for the category of 'won't be bullied' either. It was a crazy thing to do and deserves whatever suspension he gets, Kerry player or not
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 28, 2017 19:09:06 GMT
Why do we have clubteams kickpassing and scoring freely, the Sem and the Green giving masterclasses in Kickpassing and how to keep movement going, but a senior intercounty team that hasn't a clue how to pass effectively or look for players who are running into space? The minor and U21 teams too have come across defensive set ups and yet we see a trend where clubs, schools and minor teams play like Kerry should play. Only a few years ago we were still admiring the amazing skills in kerry when kickpassing and playing the ball around. Kerry's teams were a marvel of movement giving master classes in how to play the beautiful game. Yet our senior team can't find the player running into space, can't accurately kick or hand pass a ball, can't produce scores and can't play as we play at all other levels. Are we trying to train the natural ability and natural style out of players at senior level? To me it looks like we are currently inheriting players used to playing a certain style and then they are being told to do something completely different, just because other counties have shown defensive systems can work. Looking at players play with their clubs you see their natural abilities and skills, but when they are with the Kerry set up they seem to be told to do something different.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 28, 2017 19:10:43 GMT
A lot of negativity here and I have waited commenting on the game hoping my own negativity would ebb away a bit more. It hasn't. There are positives, but very few. In fairness to Monaghan I think we totally underestimated them, like Roscommon last year, and they had their homework done a lot better than us. In the first two games Kerry had started well and the full forward line was in constant motion, causing all kinds of problems for the opposition. In the first two games Kerry showed weakness when teams run at them. In the first two games Kerry became totally disjointed in the second half and almost fully collapsed when the subs came on. Monaghan had to do three things to win the game: - Hold on to the ball and make sure the Kerry full forward line were not getting much possession and weren't able to run riot
- Stay patient and run at Kerry in packs and at pace using strength, speed and weight
- Keep the score low until the 50th minute and stay within a few scores of Kerry
Monaghan did all that very effectively. In the first half Monaghan used their excellent midfield to win most of the kickouts and their half back line was always there to win breaking ball. Once possession was secured Monaghan played cat and mouse with Kerry, forcing Kerry to defend in their own half. By pushing up at Kerry and holding on the possession they made Kerry defend at a period when Kerry should be scoring freely. The Kerry half forward lines were dropping back in defence and even Kerry's full forward line spend most of the first half in our own half. Everytime Kerry did win any possession there was nobody in front of the Monaghan goal to score. When kerry did win possession Monaghan went back to their own half and retreated faster than Kerry spilled forward. Kerry had to work very hard for every score and were wasteful with the chances we've got. Again, like in the first two games, we had a few goal chances that we didn't take and again we had too many wides. The Kerry forwards scored very little from play. What is the point in talking about the brilliance of Paul Geaney, James O'Donoghue and Jack savage if we can't have them scoring? The point in having such excellent forwards is to have them score freely. We have two guys in the half forward line that are excellent defenders, but that doesn't mean we should have them defending all the time. In modern football the difference between half backs and half forwards seems to quickly disappear. Half backs go forward and score and half forwards go back and defend. Murphy and Lyne can do both, but it doesn't seem like we have a plan to best use those abilities. We seem to be totally focused on counteracting what Dublin are doing and seem obsessed with it. Instead we should be focusing on our own gameplan and not worry so much at what will, or will not, happen later in the year. We have an abundance in half backs, but no fullback. Shane Enright is becoming our main man in the full back line together with Killian Young, but we still haven't found a role for Mark Griffin. Mark griffin is not a full back and that is not his fault. His natural ability makes him want to go forward whenever he can and he is brilliant at that. That leaves Killian and Shane back, but int he first two games they were on the opposition's best forwards. Killian and Shane kept the likes of Murphy and McManus quiet, but when they are marking the forwards it leaves a gap at the back which is easily exploited by the opposition by running hard through the middle. Foley is a much more natural full back, but Foley and Ó Beaglaoich are needed with the U21s. We also should not expect too much of young players straight away, putting way too much pressure on them. We need to solve the full back problem soon though and I think most of us hope that Foley will solve the problem once the U21s season is over. Crowley, Morley, Young were our best players and started most of the attacks. There is something wrong though in my opinion if we constantly expect a corner back and two half backs to create scores and opportunities. James O'Donoghue did not score from play (3 frees), Paul Geaney did not score from play (3 frees), Jack Savage did not score from play, Jonathan Lyne did not score from play, Barry John Keane did not score from play (1 free), Adrian Spillane did not score from play, Darran O'Sullivan did not score from play. Instead Paul Murphy was our only forward to score from play with a midfielder, David Moran, getting goal, a wing back, Tadhg Morley to get the only other score from play and our goalkeeper to score a free. Kealy in goals was not perfect. The kickouts were wrong, wrong, wrong and only when we went short we did win possession, though Monaghan always pressed up on us every time we went short. Crowley, Morley and Young were impressive going forward, but Barry, Moran and Maher did not seem able to secure enough possession in midfield to go long with the kickouts. We put a lot of pressure on the Monaghan kickouts as well and created a lot of turnovers, but unlike Monaghan we could not make this into scoring. Kealy's next task would be to stop goals going in and we didn't succeed in that either. It seems like I'm singling out Kealy, but like Kelly he was put under pressure, by not having a real fullback in front of him. Instead we saw things like James O'Donohue back in defence preventing a certain run at goal. Kealy was called out twice to take a free and missed one, scored one. If a goalkeeper has to come to take the frees, we are in trouble in my opinion. In recent games it was Moran who took the frees that were further out and it wasn't a success so maybe they were trying this out in training in the last few weeks. The body language of the other players when Kealy came running up to take the frees said it all though. Kealy is not worse as a goalkeeper than Kelly, but neither are in good form currently. Surely there are goalkeepers in Kerry that can do better on the kickouts. Sheehan was unlucky to get send off straight away. I thought his catch was excellent and he put Hughes under more pressure than he had been under all game. Kieran decided to bully Sheehan and Bryan would have won a certain free, if not a yellow for Hughes, but instead retaliated. Surely he was provoked and it was cynical by Hughes, but it was very stupid to retaliate in such a way right in front of the linesman (our beloved Conor Lane) and the referee. Obviously, he will be as disappointed as anyone with this and I hope the Kerry county board will do all they can to get the card rescinded. In recent years we seem to have become too nice and too complacent though. While other counties fight till the bitter end for their players we seem to accept cards without any murmuring at all. Kerry are perceived by other counties and the media by now as soft targets. Run at Kerry and Kerry will foul and give a free away. Our very own media personalities do Kerry no favours at all by putting more emphasis on this either. It is by now easy to bully Kerry. It is not all about size, but Kerry need someone like Donaghy who will draw a line in the sand and refuses to buckle. We need a Johnny Buckley. In my opinion Sheehan too is one of those players that will not be bullied. We need more tenacity and we need to lay down a marker. Yes, it is only February and no All Ireland is won in February, but I think it is being lost in February. We need to lay down a marker and show we can beat these teams. We need to get under their skins, rather than they under ours. Like with Cork it does Kerry no harm at all if the likes of Monaghan and Mayo believe it will be very hard to beat us. So far, all we have done is give Mayo and Monaghan more believe that Kerry are no threat at all. Even Donegal will believe they can beat Kerry based on the last 15 minutes fo that game and the collapses by Kerry in the Monaghan and Mayo games. We now simply have to win the Roscommon and Cavan games at the very least and hope other results go our way as well. Neither Roscommon nor Cavan will be pushovers and we are in no way sure we can beat them both. Both games are away and if we play like in the last two games we won't win. Ideally, we beat Tyrone and Dublin as well at home, because we have to win home games and simply have to get some positive results. Staying in division 1 just by beating the minnows is not good enough. I realise that we are probably doing a lot of training and a lot of the more successful moves that we see at the moment seem to come straight from the playbook, but we need to get a winning attitude. We seem uninterested in winning at the moment, but the last thing we want is for players to be happy losing games. There isn't a hope Sheehan will get that card rescinded. I wouldn't exactly say punching someone in the face qualifies you for the category of 'won't be bullied' either. It was a crazy thing to do and deserves whatever suspension he gets, Kerry player or not I honestly didn't see the incident that clearly and didn't see a clear punch to the face. In the past Kerry players have seen cards for a lot less than punches and they weren't defended by the KCB either.
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Post by gahman100 on Feb 28, 2017 19:46:01 GMT
Lads I found it bizarre that our waterboy was barking out instructions to players on their positioning throughout the match. Ordinarily I wouldn't make an issue of it but does said person have any football background or pedigree whatsoever? Forgive me if im wrong. He was the only voice that players on the terrace side of the field could hear, I just find it highly unusual that someone so unqualified could have so much influence. Or am I missing something?
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 28, 2017 20:54:41 GMT
Lads I found it bizarre that our waterboy was barking out instructions to players on their positioning throughout the match. Ordinarily I wouldn't make an issue of it but does said person have any football background or pedigree whatsoever? Forgive me if im wrong. He was the only voice that players on the terrace side of the field could hear, I just find it highly unusual that someone so unqualified could have so much influence. Or am I missing something? Pete McGrath, Sean Boylan and Eugene McGee didn't have a huge pedigree either!
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Post by lár na páirce on Feb 28, 2017 21:09:17 GMT
Lads I found it bizarre that our waterboy was barking out instructions to players on their positioning throughout the match. Ordinarily I wouldn't make an issue of it but does said person have any football background or pedigree whatsoever? Forgive me if im wrong. He was the only voice that players on the terrace side of the field could hear, I just find it highly unusual that someone so unqualified could have so much influence. Or am I missing something? Ahh look he is only cheering on his team like everyone else,No harm in it
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Post by lár na páirce on Feb 28, 2017 21:11:08 GMT
4. The county squad is in a complete bubble with rumours that they will only play 1 county league game this year. Strong case to be made that all players outside the first 15 should be put out to bat for their clubs even on the day after league games. Players like Kieran OLeary and Daithi Casey have flourished since they took the bench splinters out of their Gluteus Maximus. Excellent point about the players living in a bubble,These lads are crying out for football,Throw them back to the clubs and get them match practice
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Post by MeathExile on Feb 28, 2017 21:21:50 GMT
Pat O Shea probably best around,although I still have not forgiven him for picking Reidy instead of Tommy Griffin (our best defender that year) to mark Kavanagh in 2008- cost us the final. Jack will return too.
Rashers makes a good point wrt young lads on the right days. However, most of the 'young lads' we have introduced in the last few years seem to be mid 20's. Killian Spillane should have been given the nod on Sunday before Darren - I could not believe it when I saw him coming on.
Begley, Foley, Tom OS, Andrew & Jack Barry, Savage need to be given their chance later in the league if/when available and in Munster.
If you keep trying the same thing, you get the same result.....
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 28, 2017 21:42:28 GMT
I think the issue people may have with Darran being brought on is the message that it is perceived as giving to others on the bench.( see Galvin precedent 2015 for additional material) Also does it indicate a lack of trust by management in other players and their abilities to go out and influence a game? Yes you can counterbalance that by saying Darran is an experienced player who has done it all before etc etc. But how does a younger player gain experience if he isn't given any chance in a competetive environment? Darran himself was brought on in a All Ire senior final at 19 years of age. No chance that would happen for any Kerry player now it would seem... . Regarding the tactical discussion, it's been a fact of life for teams like Kerry, Dublin, and Mayo recently that in order to guarantee adherence to a solid, dependable structure in the face of any blanket-like or very swarming counter attack/defense, it must be implemented consistently, not just willy-nilly or ad-hoc. Hence we have seen games where sides seem to be merely passing the ball around aimlessly when they need to get scores but in fact what they are doing is holding possession, and protecting themselves from damaging counter-attacks (ala Dublin Vs Donegal 2014, Kerry Vs Dublin 2011, Kerry Vs Tyrone 2008, Mayo Vs Donegal 2012 etc). They are then also waiting for the opposition to leave some sort of space to work the ball in, which requires alot of patience.The bould Philly McMahon seems to be particularly adept at playing the killer pass to the in-rushing Dublin player after a 45 seconds of lateral handpassing or footpassing. He ghosts forward to provide an option to the attack. And its true that Kerry have stopped conceeding goals from being dispossessed 40 yards from their own goal with an acre of space for the forward to run into. Jacks teams were very prone to losing goals like that.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Feb 28, 2017 22:44:31 GMT
. Regarding the tactical discussion, it's been a fact of life for teams like Kerry, Dublin, and Mayo recently that in order to guarantee adherence to a solid, dependable structure in the face of any blanket-like or very swarming counter attack/defense, it must be implemented consistently, not just willy-nilly or ad-hoc. Hence we have seen games where sides seem to be merely passing the ball around aimlessly when they need to get scores but in fact what they are doing is holding possession, and protecting themselves from damaging counter-attacks (ala Dublin Vs Donegal 2014, Kerry Vs Dublin 2011, Kerry Vs Tyrone 2008, Mayo Vs Donegal 2012 etc). They are then also waiting for the opposition to leave some sort of space to work the ball in, which requires alot of patience.The bould Philly McMahon seems to be particularly adept at playing the killer pass to the in-rushing Dublin player after a 45 seconds of lateral handpassing or footpassing. He ghosts forward to provide an option to the attack. And its true that Kerry have stopped conceeding goals from being dispossessed 40 yards from their own goal with an acre of space for the forward to run into. Jacks teams were very prone to losing goals like that. Indeed. For me the debate in tactics, style of play etc has moved on to who can vary all the different tactics the best during a game, without getting confused, disorganised, losing discipline/structure etc. But at the end of the day some age-old facts hold true, including the need for a forward to both be able to win ball, and hold possession, and now even more so to have vision, and awareness, in order to make good decisions very quick. After that what the forwards need is support players. If those are tied up holding the back, then the forwards will make little headway against a solid back division. Trying to balance both these broad factors must be the hardest thing, to not concede too damagingly, whilst supporting the attack enough, this is Vs the better teams, needless to say. After all of that, some scores have to be got, from very difficult situations, under the highest pressure, and that was also always true, and still is. People talk about 'fitness' etc but the ability to be able to do the best things at the end if a game means having held something mentally, and by extension physically, in reserve. If everyone is flat out 110% for 69 minutes, there may simply be no-one left who still has the extra gear
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