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Post by lár na páirce on Feb 24, 2017 20:50:29 GMT
Ciarraí 1. Brendan Kealy Kilcummin 2. Shane Enright Tarbert 3. Mark Griffin St Michaels-Foilmore 4. Killian Young Renard 5. Tadhg Morley Templenoe 6. Peter Crowley (C) Laune Rangers 7. Ronan Shanahan Austin Stacks 8. David Moran Kerins O’Rahillys 9. Jack Barry Na Gaeil 10. Jonathan Lyne Killarney Legion 11. Paul Murphy Rathmore 12. Donnchadh Walsh Cromane 13. Jack Savage Kerins O’Rahillys 14. Paul Geaney Dingle 15. James O’Donoghue Killarney Legion Fir Ionaid: 16. Brian Kelly Killarney Legion 17. Adrian Spillane Templenoe 18. Barry John Keane Kerins O’Rahillys 19. Stephen O’Brien Kenmare 20. Kevin McCarthy Kilcummin 21. Gavin Crowley Templenoe 22. Michael Geaney Dingle 23. Anthony Maher Duagh 24. Bryan Sheehan St Marys 25. Brendan O’Sullivan Valentia 26. Cathal Ó Lúing An Ghaeltacht 27. Conor Keane Killarney Legion 28. Denis Daly St Marys Good to see Maher & Sheehan back,No sign of Star yet though. One negative is what is the point in naming 13 subs? Alot of these guys would be better served playing with their clubs the weekend than doing the warm up and then sitting on there arze for an hour
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Post by givehimaball on Feb 24, 2017 21:13:29 GMT
1 Rory Beggan 2 Fintan Kelly 3 Drew Wylie 4 Ryan Wylie 5 Kieran Duffy 6 Neil Mc Adam 7 Colin Walshe (c) 8 Darren Hughes 9 Kieran Hughes 10 Karl O’Connell 11 Shane Carey 12 Gavin Doogan 13 Conor Mc Carthy 14 Thomas Kerr 15 Conor Mc Manus 16 Conor Forde 17 James Mealiff 18 Owen Coyle 19 Karl Mc Quaid 20 Ryan Mc Anespie 21 Niall Kearns 22 Dermot Malone 23 Owen Duffy 24 Stephen Gollogly 25 Jack Mc Carron 26 David Mc Allister This is the same starting 15 that Monaghan have started in both previous league games; as I said previous they are a very settled side. In the 2 games so far Dermot Malone has come on at half-time in both games, and both Ryan McAnespie and Owen Duffy also came on as subs in those 2 games. As a comparison, Kerry could possibly have used 31 different players in the 3 league games by the end of the game Sunday depending on who comes off the subs bench.
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Post by givehimaball on Feb 24, 2017 21:23:37 GMT
I am. disappointed that Adrian Spillane is not getting another start. This nonsense of playing Paul on the forty continues even though our half back line looks moderate on paper. It will be interesting to see if Jack Barry continues his good form of the earlier games. I thought he looked poor enough in the Sigerson final. Monaghan look to be strong at midfield so it will be a good test of Jack. Indeed this looks to be a very formidable Monaghan team so it could be pin of the collar stuff in Killarney I fear. Two years ago in Tralee , Conor McManus was too hot for Shane. Is Conor McManus the best forward in the game? I can't think of too many , if any, ahead of him. Shane will need to be fully recovered from his head injury if he is to limit him and limiting him is as much as most backs can hope for against Conor. Finally, still no start for Brendan O'Sullivan. He just must not be cutting the mustard for Eamon. Donnacha is definitely out with a one match ban so I think Adrian Spillane and Brendan O'Sullivan are surely in contention for that starting spot there. There is nothing much to be gained by starting any of the more experienced players there (Sheehan, Maher or O'Brien) - With Murphy and Lyne as more defensive players in the half-forward line, my preference would be to see Adrian Spillane start there. On Barry I think UCD really looked very disjointed and didn't really look like a proper team in the Sigerson final (very much less than the sum of their parts imo) so I wouldn't be too harsh on anyone from that game. The two Hughes in midfield could well make a case for being amongst the strongest midfield pairing in the intercounty game and there are a lot of hardworking players in that middle 8. The defence is a very settled capable looking unit, so the forwards will have their work cut out. The issue is up-front where the supporting cast just don't seem up to the job of providing sufficient support for McManus.
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Post by Deise Exile on Feb 25, 2017 0:00:08 GMT
No point talking up Monaghan. They are no more than a solid outfit with one exceptional paper. Kerryvshould ne able to beat them if they are serious about their ambitions for the year
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 25, 2017 3:28:59 GMT
I am. disappointed that Adrian Spillane is not getting another start. This nonsense of playing Paul on the forty continues even though our half back line looks moderate on paper. It will be interesting to see if Jack Barry continues his good form of the earlier games. I thought he looked poor enough in the Sigerson final. Monaghan look to be strong at midfield so it will be a good test of Jack. Indeed this looks to be a very formidable Monaghan team so it could be pin of the collar stuff in Killarney I fear. Two years ago in Tralee , Conor McManus was too hot for Shane. Is Conor McManus the best forward in the game? I can't think of too many , if any, ahead of him. Shane will need to be fully recovered from his head injury if he is to limit him and limiting him is as much as most backs can hope for against Conor. Finally, still no start for Brendan O'Sullivan. He just must not be cutting the mustard for Eamon. Is it that Paul Murphy 'marks' the defender so well that he blanks out the CHB coming forward? If it is the case, or partly the case, and Paul can do it for 80 mins then there is sense in it -well it must be achieving the desired effect as they are sticking with it. He is always very busy and such a role could shorten a lads career. Can anyone else tell us why he is played at CHF?
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Post by decondd2 on Feb 25, 2017 8:15:19 GMT
I am. disappointed that Adrian Spillane is not getting another start. This nonsense of playing Paul on the forty continues even though our half back line looks moderate on paper. It will be interesting to see if Jack Barry continues his good form of the earlier games. I thought he looked poor enough in the Sigerson final. Monaghan look to be strong at midfield so it will be a good test of Jack. Indeed this looks to be a very formidable Monaghan team so it could be pin of the collar stuff in Killarney I fear. Two years ago in Tralee , Conor McManus was too hot for Shane. Is Conor McManus the best forward in the game? I can't think of too many , if any, ahead of him. Shane will need to be fully recovered from his head injury if he is to limit him and limiting him is as much as most backs can hope for against Conor. Finally, still no start for Brendan O'Sullivan. He just must not be cutting the mustard for Eamon. Is it that Paul Murphy 'marks' the defender so well that he blanks out the CHB coming forward? If it is the case, or partly the case, and Paul can do it for 80 mins then there is sense in it -well it must be achieving the desired effect as they are sticking with it. He is always very busy and such a role could shorten a lads career. Can anyone else tell us why he is played at CHF? Paul Murphy was been one of our most effective players since he has come into the panel. He doesn't actually play at CHF, he just has 11 on his back. His role is to roam free, winning breaking ball, tracking attacks from deep and killing counter attacks. It's madness to suggest moving him out of that role for the sake of putting him unto a number 5 jersey. Can you all not recall how open we were through the middle for goals before he was played in this role? His role allows Crowley to hold the middle and Morley to sweep back and cover, meaning no open spaces for opposition half backs and midfielders to waltz through. Funnily enough in the Mayo game (and the McGrath Cup final) we ditched the sweeper system and went Man to Man for the majority of the game and found ourselves susceptible to these sorts of attacks all over again. In Donegal we played a seriously disciplined system and won the game with ease really. As for Brendan O'Sullivan, I was excited last year as to what he could bring to the table, with his frightening pace and his physical frame, however he is closer now to slipping off the panel then starting on current form. He is no use defensively, his lack of agility means he cannot turn and follow his man effectively. His positioning is poor. His basic ball skills are not up to intercounty standard. Essentially, he is good at soloing the ball forward and fisting over the bar. He has plenty of time to develop these skills as he is young, but I don't imagine we'll be seeing much of him in crunch games this year. In the last 3 games, he has persistently soloed into groups of tacklers to be turned over, kicked several foot passes straight to the sweeper and been turned inside out by counter attacking opponents, while he swats a hand in to tackle. I'm not writing him off for Kerry long term. He has power and pace that we crave for in the forward line to prop up our small crafty forwards. But the football intelligence needs to come on a long way first.
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Post by cruc8 on Feb 25, 2017 10:14:56 GMT
Is it that Paul Murphy 'marks' the defender so well that he blanks out the CHB coming forward? If it is the case, or partly the case, and Paul can do it for 80 mins then there is sense in it -well it must be achieving the desired effect as they are sticking with it. He is always very busy and such a role could shorten a lads career. Can anyone else tell us why he is played at CHF? Paul Murphy was been one of our most effective players since he has come into the panel. He doesn't actually play at CHF, he just has 11 on his back. His role is to roam free, winning breaking ball, tracking attacks from deep and killing counter attacks. It's madness to suggest moving him out of that role for the sake of putting him unto a number 5 jersey. Can you all not recall how open we were through the middle for goals before he was played in this role? His role allows Crowley to hold the middle and Morley to sweep back and cover, meaning no open spaces for opposition half backs and midfielders to waltz through. Funnily enough in the Mayo game (and the McGrath Cup final) we ditched the sweeper system and went Man to Man for the majority of the game and found ourselves susceptible to these sorts of attacks all over again. In Donegal we played a seriously disciplined system and won the game with ease really. As for Brendan O'Sullivan, I was excited last year as to what he could bring to the table, with his frightening pace and his physical frame, however he is closer now to slipping off the panel then starting on current form. He is no use defensively, his lack of agility means he cannot turn and follow his man effectively. His positioning is poor. His basic ball skills are not up to intercounty standard. Essentially, he is good at soloing the ball forward and fisting over the bar. He has plenty of time to develop these skills as he is young, but I don't imagine we'll be seeing much of him in crunch games this year. In the last 3 games, he has persistently soloed into groups of tacklers to be turned over, kicked several foot passes straight to the sweeper and been turned inside out by counter attacking opponents, while he swats a hand in to tackle. I'm not writing him off for Kerry long term. He has power and pace that we crave for in the forward line to prop up our small crafty forwards. But the football intelligence needs to come on a long way first.
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Post by cruc8 on Feb 25, 2017 10:22:24 GMT
Well said, unfortunately Brendan got injured late last year and it seems to have set him back a lot. I would urge Fitzie to persist and take him for one on one training as we need big men with speed. Dublin did the same with Eoghan o Gara, a junior footballer with a very poor skill set. He is still very average but he is very useful in very physical games, eg last weeks game v |Tyrone he played well.
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Post by cruc8 on Feb 25, 2017 10:37:58 GMT
I think Adrian Spillane will start as Donnacha is rumoured to have a one match ban. Jack Barry played a round of the Sigerson on Wed., the following Sunday he played again st Donegal, he played the quater final of the Sigerson on the Wed. after, played against Mayo on the Saturday night after that, played in the Semi final of the Sigerson on Friday and played the final on Saturday. I think all of the UCD first 15 had a similar schedule and they looked a very tired team in the Final.
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Post by inchperfect on Feb 25, 2017 11:59:26 GMT
I always hear people saying they prefer Murphy at wing back because he's more needed in defence. Maybe so in the league when we're short on players but come Championship we can pick two of Crowley, Young, Tom O'Sullivan and Morley when our wing forward options are Donnchadh Walsh (who's 33 this year), Mikey Geaney (who isn't inter county standard IMO), Stephen O'Brien and Darran O'Sullivan (both are old fashioned wing forwards, in today's game more like corner forwards). It's clear to me Murphy is actually more needed at wing forward than wing back. We need to start picking from the u21s for wing forwards because like I said Donnchadh is pushing on and he'll need to be replaced in the next year or two. I really liked the look of Micheal Burns in 2014 but he doesn't seem to get his game much for Crokes.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Feb 25, 2017 12:31:13 GMT
Finally someone else ha countering this Brendan o sull myth- by the way we've seen him solo up and fist over the bar once
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Post by southward on Feb 25, 2017 13:27:38 GMT
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 25, 2017 21:05:52 GMT
Is it that Paul Murphy 'marks' the defender so well that he blanks out the CHB coming forward? If it is the case, or partly the case, and Paul can do it for 80 mins then there is sense in it -well it must be achieving the desired effect as they are sticking with it. He is always very busy and such a role could shorten a lads career. Can anyone else tell us why he is played at CHF? Paul Murphy was been one of our most effective players since he has come into the panel. He doesn't actually play at CHF, he just has 11 on his back. His role is to roam free, winning breaking ball, tracking attacks from deep and killing counter attacks. It's madness to suggest moving him out of that role for the sake of putting him unto a number 5 jersey. Can you all not recall how open we were through the middle for goals before he was played in this role? His role allows Crowley to hold the middle and Morley to sweep back and cover, meaning no open spaces for opposition half backs and midfielders to waltz through. Funnily enough in the Mayo game (and the McGrath Cup final) we ditched the sweeper system and went Man to Man for the majority of the game and found ourselves susceptible to these sorts of attacks all over again. In Donegal we played a seriously disciplined system and won the game with ease really. As for Brendan O'Sullivan, I was excited last year as to what he could bring to the table, with his frightening pace and his physical frame, however he is closer now to slipping off the panel then starting on current form. He is no use defensively, his lack of agility means he cannot turn and follow his man effectively. His positioning is poor. His basic ball skills are not up to intercounty standard. Essentially, he is good at soloing the ball forward and fisting over the bar. He has plenty of time to develop these skills as he is young, but I don't imagine we'll be seeing much of him in crunch games this year. In the last 3 games, he has persistently soloed into groups of tacklers to be turned over, kicked several foot passes straight to the sweeper and been turned inside out by counter attacking opponents, while he swats a hand in to tackle. I'm not writing him off for Kerry long term. He has power and pace that we crave for in the forward line to prop up our small crafty forwards. But the football intelligence needs to come on a long way first. Re Paul Murphy, now that's what I call an inspired response and I'm hoping Vet will take it on - this has the makings of wan of the best chats on here in a while.
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Post by playitfair on Feb 25, 2017 21:14:28 GMT
Agreed, one of the best posts in a long time.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 25, 2017 21:29:37 GMT
Well said, unfortunately Brendan got injured late last year and it seems to have set him back a lot. I would urge Fitzie to persist and take him for one on one training as we need big men with speed. Dublin did the same with Eoghan o Gara, a junior footballer with a very poor skill set. He is still very average but he is very useful in very physical games, eg last weeks game v |Tyrone he played well. Is he fully fit again now. Small crafty skillfull forwards are too easily swatted aside by the likes of Dublin and Mayo defensives. These are the only teams that Kerry needs to be concerned about. Something new is needed to deal with them to break them down and powerful direct running has to be one option.
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Post by wayupnorth on Feb 26, 2017 9:16:13 GMT
Dirty day in Kerry this morning. Gale force wind and heavy rain. If this keeps up don't expect pin point scores fron distance (or even close up!)
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Post by veteran on Feb 26, 2017 9:29:34 GMT
In view of the orange weather warning for Kerry and Cork is there any danger this match could be called off? Apart from the adverse playing conditions , travelling could be extremely hazardous. I am betwixt and between at the moment about venturing out.
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Post by fivenarow on Feb 26, 2017 9:58:08 GMT
In view of the orange weather warning for Kerry and Cork is there any danger this match could be called off? Apart from the adverse playing conditions , travelling could be extremely hazardous. I am betwixt and between at the moment about venturing out. I couldn't justify making the trip in that weather anyway. They'll be more days out in better conditions . It's shocking outside at the moment, the ducks have even run for cover.
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Post by decondd2 on Feb 26, 2017 10:06:00 GMT
In view of the orange weather warning for Kerry and Cork is there any danger this match could be called off? Apart from the adverse playing conditions , travelling could be extremely hazardous. I am betwixt and between at the moment about venturing out. I hope not! I'm halfway down the road from Dublin. Thankfully Fitzgerald Stadium has the big Stand. I was in the front row of the stand for the Mayo match, having arrived an hour before the match. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near the front 15 rows today! God help the poor TG4 lads and the cameramen!
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Post by southward on Feb 26, 2017 10:34:58 GMT
Don't know what the pitch in Killarney will be like but there's a small lake in my garden at the minute.
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Post by glengael on Feb 26, 2017 10:53:25 GMT
Stormy with extreme gusts and very heavy rain. A lot of suface water on the roads also. I'd give it a miss if you have you travel any distance and have'nt left already.
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Post by mandad on Feb 26, 2017 11:33:22 GMT
Right now the morning is improving rapidly in Killarney. Believe it or not but the wind has abated and with some blue sky and even sunshine. Typical Kerry weather!
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Post by veteran on Feb 26, 2017 11:40:25 GMT
Right now the morning is improving rapidly in Killarney. Believe it or not but the wind has abated and with some blue sky and even sunshine. Typical Kerry weather! Mandad,on the basis of that , I think I will head your way. If Veteran is not heard of again you all know at whom the finger should be pointed.
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Post by mandad on Feb 26, 2017 11:48:52 GMT
If the match was on right now, the conditions would be close to ideal. That pitch is constructed on top of a couple of feet of gravel and sand and can take rain better than most - so there should be no issue there. However, if the weather takes another twist I'll be in some bother I'm afraid.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 26, 2017 13:13:36 GMT
Right now the morning is improving rapidly in Killarney. Believe it or not but the wind has abated and with some blue sky and even sunshine. Typical Kerry weather! Mandad,on the basis of that , I think I will head your way. If Veteran is not heard of again you all know at whom the finger should be pointed. I wonder what Vet makes of decondd2's view on Paul Murphy?
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Post by peanuts on Feb 26, 2017 13:47:30 GMT
Kevin McCarthy starting instead of Donncha Walsh.
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Post by homerj on Feb 26, 2017 14:19:26 GMT
1-2 to 2 points after 20 mins, with a galeforce wind behind us. aint been great stuff, but awful conditions for both teams.
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Post by homerj on Feb 26, 2017 14:41:33 GMT
up 2 points at half time. some good moments but alot of lads need to step up here in the second half, or we will lose.
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Post by SCB-ROCK on Feb 26, 2017 15:43:42 GMT
Is it still "only February"?
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Post by taggert on Feb 26, 2017 15:44:32 GMT
Not good enough and another deserved defeat. A lot of deadwood in the squad and very much a transition period now until our successful minor teams come thru.
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