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Post by Kingdomson on Apr 28, 2017 22:34:00 GMT
I sincerely hope those involved with our under 21 panel are seriously hurting this weekend.
As a Kerry supporter for longer than I care to remember, this one actually hurts that we’re not involved in what is as high profile an Under 21 final that I can remember. There is a special prestige involved with this final, it’s especially historic being the last one ever and let’s face it, we absolutely blew it! It’s a real one off and those players won’t ever get the chance again to win an under 21 title, EVER! I hope it hurts! I hope it really hurts the players as much as it does us supporters of the green and gold. My only hope is those swelled heads are getting seriously deflated now and we'll benefit down the road.
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Post by westmeathman on Apr 28, 2017 22:43:34 GMT
I sincerely hope those involved with our under 21 panel are seriously hurting this weekend. As a Kerry supporter for longer than I care to remember, this one actually hurts that we’re not involved in what is as high profile an Under 21 final that I can remember. There is a special prestige involved with this final, it’s especially historic being the last one ever and let’s face it, we absolutely blew it! It’s a real one off and those players won’t ever get the chance again to win an under 21 title, EVER! I hope it hurts! I hope it really hurts the players as much as it does us supporters of the green and gold. My only hope is those swelled heads are getting seriously deflated now and we'll benefit down the road. Abit harsh on these young guys I think.every team has off days.look at the highly payed man uniteds or Barcelonas of this world.unbeatable one week, unwatchable the next. Unfortunately these guys won't get another chance but if they did the outcome would probably be completely different!
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Post by fivenarow on Apr 28, 2017 23:21:48 GMT
I sincerely hope those involved with our under 21 panel are seriously hurting this weekend. As a Kerry supporter for longer than I care to remember, this one actually hurts that we’re not involved in what is as high profile an Under 21 final that I can remember. There is a special prestige involved with this final, it’s especially historic being the last one ever and let’s face it, we absolutely blew it! It’s a real one off and those players won’t ever get the chance again to win an under 21 title, EVER! I hope it hurts! I hope it really hurts the players as much as it does us supporters of the green and gold. My only hope is those swelled heads are getting seriously deflated now and we'll benefit down the road. That's fairly harsh. At the end of the day most of them fellows are only 19 or 20 yrs of age & at that age anything can happen in a game, it just so happened that everything that could go wrong did go wrong in the one game. I think they'll learn from it & the better players will drive on again. The last time we got a hiding like that at u21 was against cork & a lot of those players won a senior AI in 2014. Good players don't become bad players overnight. In relation to it being the last u21 final, things change so there's nothing to say that it won't be changed back again sometime in the future if it's not working out.
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Post by thebluepanther on Apr 29, 2017 0:14:56 GMT
Dublins semi final was a horror show of negative defensive football. They had 14 men behind the ball but it worked. Donegal just couldn't get through them. It will be interesting to see Con O Callaghan play for a while longer this time. My club have 2 lads in the starting 15, having both recovered from injury. I hope your clubman young Foley is ok, big game for him and could have a huge bearing on the game . I've said before Con o Callaghan is the best minor I've seen for Dublin in the last 10 years. I feel now he will play in Leinster championship for seniors this year. he always does the simple things right and has a natural instinct for goal. Having said that Aaran Byrne I feel could be the pick tomorrow. Howard and Murchan two others guys to watch. On a side note, What I couldn't get over in the game of Galway v Kerry was how much bigger Galway were. Physically they easily brushed a few Kerry lads aside. Only when Kerry made a few substitutions did things happen, but the damage was done by then. I wouldn't be too harsh on young lads as some posters have, they have their life ahead of them and it's a huge learning curve. Some will learn massively from this game and if they do Kerry will reap the benefits.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 29, 2017 10:39:46 GMT
This place was getting insufferable after the u 21 beat Cork and the seniors beat dublin.
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Post by sullyschoice on Apr 29, 2017 14:49:59 GMT
Dublins semi final was a horror show of negative defensive football. They had 14 men behind the ball but it worked. Donegal just couldn't get through them. It will be interesting to see Con O Callaghan play for a while longer this time. My club have 2 lads in the starting 15, having both recovered from injury. I hope your clubman young Foley is ok, big game for him and could have a huge bearing on the game . I've said before Con o Callaghan is the best minor I've seen for Dublin in the last 10 years. I feel now he will play in Leinster championship for seniors this year. he always does the simple things right and has a natural instinct for goal. Having said that Aaran Byrne I feel could be the pick tomorrow. Howard and Murchan two others guys to watch. On a side note, What I couldn't get over in the game of Galway v Kerry was how much bigger Galway were. Physically they easily brushed a few Kerry lads aside. Only when Kerry made a few substitutions did things happen, but the damage was done by then. I wouldn't be too harsh on young lads as some posters have, they have their life ahead of them and it's a huge learning curve. Some will learn massively from this game and if they do Kerry will reap the benefits. I was surprised to see Andy Foley starting. He didnt feature last weekend in Championship with the club while Declan Monaghan did. I hear there was a bit of bad feeling in Raheny when their Under 21s opted not to play senior championship and they lost.
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Post by southward on Apr 29, 2017 16:40:19 GMT
Very poor first half.
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Post by kot on Apr 29, 2017 18:21:31 GMT
Well done the Dubs. But the feeling of "what if" is palpable!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 19:23:46 GMT
This place was getting insufferable after the u 21 beat Cork and the seniors beat dublin. I agree on the 1st part
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Post by southward on Apr 29, 2017 23:07:10 GMT
Congratulations to Dublin. It wasn't terribly stylish but they worked extremely hard today and were much the fitter team. Looks like Galway played their All-Ireland against Kerry. Have to say their full-back was heroic, never gave up. MOTM for me.
I really hate those volleyball-style goals; makes a mockery of the game imo.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 30, 2017 9:50:53 GMT
I'm not convinced Kerry would have won that final in the absence of a functioning midfield partnership. The Galway full back looks like a ready made senior, class footballer. The number 8 is also a very good prospect. Lots of unchecked body checking from the Dubs, the ref seemed to ignore the black card completely. An absolute farce of a sanction at this stage. The game has completely evolved at this stage to the build from the massed defence on evidence of the last u21 final played. Dublin's baby Cluxton enjoyed a lot of success with his kickouts, some of them coming directly from their senior team's manual. Congrats to the Dubs, a fine team of young footballers. Plenty of positives for Galway also with some real quality on view.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 30, 2017 10:46:07 GMT
Very sweet u21 title by Dublin. Their minors of 2014 lost to donegal by a point if i recall. Their 2015 and 2016 minor teams didnt do much ...one lost to longford i think. So they have done by well....playing a bit better in each game and keeping the best till last.
The short kickout needs to be restricted in the interests of the game as a whole though....before its too late.... Fair play to dublin for using it to their advantage.
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Post by onlykerry on Apr 30, 2017 10:52:58 GMT
Never fear - with the changes planned for next year the competition will be run in June-August period so they should be home for the holidays and well after Sigerson. Actually with the age change less players will be Sigerson eligible (first years).
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Post by Kingdomson on May 1, 2017 11:46:41 GMT
Congratulations to Dublin!
They’ve been consistently good in the competition and like against Donegal in the semi, they played as a team in the final against Galway and were totally egoless. It was a nice speech by the Dublin captain as well. These are grounded young men and some of them have big futures ahead as seniors. 4 All Ireland under 21s harvested in 8 seasons is a nice haul for Dublin and argues well for a continuing healthy present and future at senior level for some time to come.
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Post by Mickmack on May 2, 2017 7:33:08 GMT
GAA weekend that was: Irony in Dublin’s last U-21 All-Ireland victory History between joint-third highest winners and competition has often been strained
It has been pointed out that there is irony in Dublin being the ultimate champions at under-21 football, given the strained history between the county and the grade introduced 54 years ago at the 1963 congress. The county’s five All-Irelands, all won in the past 15 years, place it joint-third on the final roll of honour and last weekend’s was their fourth this decade. Yet there were years when Dublin didn’t participate and it was the stated view of the county board at one stage that the junior inter-county grade would be prioritised over under-21. Kevin Heffernan was also sceptical about under-age competition as a development process for senior. Jim Brogan played for Dublin in Heffernan’s 1970s team and went on to be a selector of both senior and under-21 All-Ireland winning sides. “Jim King [former county secretary] wasn’t keen on it. I think he saw it posed issues of organisation for the county fixtures and that was a factor in his attitude. Needless to say, if Kevin Heffernan had a different view that would have been a factor too but I don’t remember him beating down the door to support the idea. “Maybe he saw the poor conversion rate of under-age success in counties like Cork and Mayo. It would have been seen that the junior championship would interfere less with the fixtures schedule.” He believes that the current system in which he was part of Jim Gavin’s under-21 management in the All-Ireland winning campaigns of 2010 and ‘12, had its merits. “From the point of view of involvement under-21 was attractive. When I was involved it started in January or a little bit before and once the championship got under way it was only a couple of months before it finished up and when it was, that was it; it was over. There were stresses and the need for accommodation with senior county managers and college teams but the season had a beginning, a middle and an end.”
He accepts though that it never drew the same public support as its hurling equivalent, which because of the smaller number of counties involved, can be comfortably run off during the summer while the senior championship is in progress. “It never caught the imagination in the same way that the hurling did. Saturday was a poor enough representation of the counties involved. You would have imagined that Galway with all the interest at the moment would have brought more. “Dublin never do. At all games I’ve gone to at under-21, Dublin supporters are always outnumbered. People follow the seniors and it wouldn’t necessarily cross their minds to go to support under-21s, minors or even club teams from the county but if you questioned their support for the county they could rattle off all the senior matches they’d been to that year.” The need to provide a bridge between minor and senior was a big influence on the decision to introduce an official under-21 championship, taken by GAA congress just over 54 years ago. “You cannot possibly throw a minor player straight into senior ranks,” argued Longford delegate Fr Philip Magee (a brother of All-Ireland winning Offaly manager and GAA commentator, Eugene), “and it is even more futile still to suggest the junior grade as a stepping stone to the premier division. The vast majority of youngsters just get fed up playing junior hurling and football and quit the game completely. “A case in point was the Meath team which won the All-Ireland minor football title five years ago. This was one of the best minor teams I have ever seen and a survey shows that only two of them have graduated to the present senior side - proof conclusive of the vast number of promising youngsters that are being lost to the game in the gulf which exists between the two grades.”
Brogan says that whereas it will be missed as a pathway for aspiring senior inter-county players, the under-21 grade has equally marked the end of inter-county careers. “In terms of inter-county players, it’s a far better competition for identifying who can play at senior level than anything but around 80 per cent won’t play for Dublin again. There are guys who won’t pull on a county jersey again. Some of the under-21 teams aren’t even playing football anymore.” From next year the developmental stages of both football and hurling will be revolutionised by the re-grading of minor to under-17 and in football the introduction of an under-20 grade to replace under-21, which will still be contested in hurling.
Finally what goes around, comes around. There was controversy in the past two weeks over the availability of Dublin’s under-21s for their clubs’ county championship matches in what is a knockout format. Some played and Shane Clayton of Ballyboden got injured in the process and missed the All-Ireland final. Twenty five years ago this Dublin manager Dessie Farrell played for the under-21s in the Leinster final against Kildare, which was played in the middle of a schedule of county championship fixtures, prompting then manager Bobby Doyle and others to question the county’s future in the competition. He said that he hadn’t even been sure if the team he selected would line out.
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May 2, 2017 12:44:28 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on May 2, 2017 12:44:28 GMT
I think the article points up how poorly organised dublin was up to relatively recently.
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Post by kot on May 2, 2017 12:46:49 GMT
On a side note, it is no coincidence that Dublin were the only County who allowed their U21s to totally concentrate on playing with their own age with none of the panel involved at senior grade during the O Byrne Cup or league. It probably helped in keeping them grounded and from getting above their station. Quite a few of them played in the O'Byrne Cup.
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