Money

[Mickmack]

Apr 3, 2018 9:34:51 GMT kerrybhoy06 said:

I'd prefer to pay 10/15 a month for GAA TV than the current situation where games are split across Sky & Eir subsription services

I agree.

[kerrygold]

Once it is available in every household around the country.

[An Bradán]

Bring it on

[Annascaultilidie]

I know it is more a thing in other counties, but if the GAA got a deal from Sky whereby GAA clubhouse bars could get a deal on showing GAA matches that might have a lot of benefits for such clubs.

[Mickmack]

Latest Dublin sponsorship deal highlights widening financial gap in the GAA 13 hours ago


JACK O'TOOLE
Dublin GAA extended their sponsorship deal with AIG by another five years on Tuesday to bring their current deal with the American insurance firm through to 2023.
The new deal is believed to be in the region of €4 million over five years which mirrors similar figures to Dublin's initial deal with the company in 2013.

The arrangement reaffirms Dublin's strength as a brand as the county continues to flourish with their senior footballers bidding for a fourth consecutive All-Ireland title this summer.

AIG is the main partner of Dublin GAA who already boast 12 additional sponsors including:

#AD

O'Neills – official kit partner

Lifestyle Sports – official clothing partner

Ballygowan – official hydration partner

Energise Sport – part of the official hydration partnership

Aer Lingus – official airline partner

Linwoods – official health food provider

Skins – official performance baselayer product

The Gibson Hotel – official sleeping partner

ROS Nutrition – official supplement supplier

Jack & Jones - official menswear provider

Gourmet Food Parlour – restaurant provider

Subaru – official car partner

By comparison, Leitrim, who advanced past New York in their Connacht Championship opener last weekend, have a deal with Bush Hotels that was believed to be worth around €20,000.

Leitrim have seven additional sponsors but they don't exactly stack up alongside the likes of Aer Lingus, Ballygowan, Subaru and Lifestyle Sports.



The extension with AIG will also see the firm sponsor a new High Performance Centre at Parnell Park.

“Today’s announcement is a massive vote of confidence from AIG in Dublin GAA from grass roots level right up to our senior teams,” said Dublin county board Chairman Seán Shanley.

“Both Dublin GAA and AIG have gone from strength to strength over the course of the last four-and-a-half years and this long-term commitment will allow us plan for the development of our games in the county on a sound financial footing.



“Providing the right structures for young players to participate in hurling and football in a county with the population of Dublin is a huge operation which requires significant investment. With the backing of AIG, we can look forward to building on the work already being done and continue to invest in allowing as many girls and boys as possible to take part with the guidance of the best coaching.

“It is a massive day for the clubs all-across Dublin. With the finance provided by this deal, Dublin County Board can invest in more projects, more coaching and better support structures. The AIG Performance Centre at Parnell Park will be just one of a number of initiatives which we have in the pipeline.”

In addition to Dublin's sponsorship advantage, the Jacks received €15, 427, 560 more than any other county in coaching and games development grants over the last decade.

Figures compiled by Sunday World journalist Sean McGoldrick show that from 2007 to 2017, Dublin received €16, 612, 847 in coaching and games development grants while the next highest garnering county, Cork, received just €1, 185, 287 over the same period.

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Why out how your county received in coaching/game development grants from GAA central funds in the last decade #GAA


Dublin GAA chief John Costello responded to claims that Dublin enjoy benefits that other counties don't by claiming that population and financial advantages are 'repetitive and often, quite frankly, misinformed'.

“Some of the commentary around Dublin’s perceived ‘advantages’ – such as population and finance – is both repetitive and often, quite frankly, misinformed," wrote Costello in his annual report last year.

“I’d like to address a number of recurring ‘beliefs’ about our current set-up at senior inter-county level.

Myth 1: Our senior teams have meals delivered to their homes on a daily basis or ever in fact. UNTRUE.
Myth 2: Our senior teams are given five-star, ‘all-expenses paid’ treatment. UNTRUE.
“Here’s a short story to illustrate such myths concerning our senior footballers! The hard yards every year are done in Innisfails GAA club in late winter/spring before they move to St Clare’s, DCU for Championship preparation.

“Last year, two training sessions were cut short owing to floodlight failure at Innisfails. On investigation, it turned out this was caused by a player, who had to return to the
dressing rooms following injury on the pitch, who turned on a heater which cut short the
circuit! Nothing five-star about that!

“Broadening out the debate, as I have often said the battle for young hearts and minds is
ongoing – and tougher than ever. My belief is that it is tougher in Dublin than in any other county in Ireland.





“In rural areas, the local GAA club is often the very heart beat of the parish. Playing underage for the local club is often a rite of passage for young people. This is less so in the larger suburban areas of Dublin.

“But through the wonderful work of our clubs and schools, we can reach as many young
Dublin children as possible and introduce them to what will hopefully be a lifelong love of our national games.

“But we are not in a situation where we are turning thousands of children away from the gates of our clubs every day. Other sports in the capital are well established, well organised and often directly in competition with our games.

“Add in the many other non-sporting distractions of a large city and you have a real challenge to attract young players. It may surprise some but the penetration of the GAA in certain areas of Dublin remains relatively low. This too remains an ever present challenge.

“I make no apology to anyone for the strategic investment we continue to make in this
regard. In my opinion, the benefits of the money spent here comes back in multiples – not just to Dublin GAA but to the organisation nationally and to wider society too.

“It helps to positively shape young lives and inculcates a culture of community, worth and belonging in them.”

[Mickmack]

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[kerrygold]

The Dubs are just operating at a different level now..............................

[Mickmack]

John Costelle really is painful at this stage.

[kerrygold]

Dublin's lopsided funding looks secure for another decade according to this article

www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/comment-money-talks-in-dublins-bumper-deal-but-theres-no-easy-fix-as-gaa-looks-to-bridge-the-gap-36888139.html



www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/call-for-gaa-chiefs-to-level-the-financial-playing-field-in-leinster-470465.html

www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/rossies-boss-mcstay-calls-for-a-more-level-financial-playing-field-36891908.html

[sullyschoice]

You just can't do without an official Airline partner and a n official sleeping partner these days.

Developing a performance centre at Parnell Park!!! How about playing a match there instead.

[An Bradán]

Hard reading.

The GAA mirrors what goes on in our economy / society.
The development of the country is totally lopsided. Likewise with the GAA.

[kerrygold]

May 10, 2018 19:14:56 GMT sullyschoice said:

You just can't do without an official Airline partner and a n official sleeping partner these days.

Developing a performance centre at Parnell Park!!! How about playing a match there instead.

It is time the Dubs built their own purpose built stadium at the stage.

[sullyschoice]

May 12, 2018 6:48:38 GMT kerrygold said:

May 10, 2018 19:14:56 GMT sullyschoice said:

You just can't do without an official Airline partner and a n official sleeping partner these days.

Developing a performance centre at Parnell Park!!! How about playing a match there instead.

It is time the Dubs built their own purpose built stadium at the stage.

They already have one but they pretend it's not their home ground

[kerrygold]

May 12, 2018 13:46:05 GMT sullyschoice said:

May 12, 2018 6:48:38 GMT kerrygold said:

It is time the Dubs built their own purpose built stadium at the stage.

They already have one but they pretend it's not their home ground

Not fit for purpose, too small. They need a 30-40000 seater, one that Croker could rent from them and others for events. It could become a major cash-cow for them.

[sullyschoice]

They have a herd of cash cows already

[kerrygold]

They could really ring fence that herd with their own stadium.....................

[Mickmack]

It must be unique in the sporting world.....probably the only situation where the oligarch is the actual sports organisation running the sport.

[dc84]

Dont know if anyone noticed it during the league where Subaru ran a competition where they asked who is Subaru the offical car sponser of (i am not sure if it was always the same 3 counties but i think ye get the point)

A.meath
B.dublin
C.monaghan

Found it humorous myself who the f..k else would have an offical car sponser🤔

[Mickmack]

Bertie Ahern explains how he helped finance the Dublin GAA revolution
Ex-Taoiseach had a hand in helping to turn a 'weak' Dublin into the all-conquering force of today

September 29 2018 2:30 AM


Dublin's senior footballers were never really in control of their own destiny. Whichever manager took the team was a hostage to fortune, or grave misfortune.

There was no conveyor belt of young talent. Players like Jimmy Keaveney in the 1970, Barney Rock in the 1980s and Dessie Farrell in the 1990s broke through to the senior ranks almost despite the system. Dublin GAA was built on a foundation of sand. It was not unusual to see even some of the bigger clubs operating without teams at several age groups.

Dublin's underage record was abysmal. In 1984, Dublin beat Tipperary by 1‑9 to 0‑4 in the minor football final. The county would not win another minor All-Ireland until 2012. At U‑21 level, it was even worse: Dublin had never won an All-Ireland, and would not do so until 2003.

The mentality at underage mirrored that of the senior ranks: there were no second chances. Paddy Christie was one player who failed to impress in his shot at minor, and was almost lost to the game. Great GAA men kept him interested, but great GAA men can only do so much. Key club figures, such as Anto McCaul at Ballymun Kickhams, kept the flame flickering when a lack of cohesion at county level might have snuffed it out.

In the early 1990s, former county chairman Jimmy Grey and county official Donal Hickey led a small delegation to the offices of Bertie Ahern, who was Minister for Finance in Albert Reynolds' government. They asked him for money to redevelop the ramshackle Parnell Park in Donnycarney.

The redevelopment of Parnell Park was the first item in the in‑tray of John Bailey, who was elected county chairman in 1994. The €3.3 million budget for the project was, in the end, funded from a number of sources. The Leinster Council provided a £500,000 loan, and Croke Park a £500,000 grant. Bertie provided around £400,000 from State coffers, and clubs paid contributions of anything from £2,500 (junior club) to £15,000 (senior club). Season tickets were sold in bulk to clubs, which then sold them on; the proceeds of this scheme were used to repay the loans.

Bertie - who as Taoiseach would later secure the grants needed to get floodlights installed - was present at the groundbreaking. "They gave me a spade from the opening and I still have it," he says. "It's out in the shed with the other spades and every time I go to do work I think, 'Jeez, I better not use that spade!'"

Ahern was steeped in Dublin GAA. A far better soccer player than footballer, he nevertheless spent his childhood weekends with his dad watching St Margaret's of the north county, and the students of St Pat's in his native Drumcondra. He stood as a boy on the Canal end, six steps down, because his dad was a country man. His brother Maurice rebelled, and watched from the Hill, where he continues to stand firm. The future Taoiseach witnessed the decline, and was there for the coming of Heffo. "Kevin saved us from sinking," he says. "If it wasn't for him it would have been lost altogether, the game was dead. I mean, if ever there was a man who should be the uncrowned king of Ireland, it's Kevin Heffernan."


In 1995, not everyone was buying the Jayo-inspired march to the final. Ahern recalls driving back to Dublin from Wexford on the morning of the All-Ireland final and not seeing a blue-and-navy flag until Binns Bridge in Drumcondra. "People say now, 'Aw, you have loads of population there' - well, we had loads then too, but we had no one playing GAA," he says.

While Donnycarney was getting the necessary makeover, Bailey approached Bertie with another idea. He wanted to get more people playing Gaelic games and, just as importantly, he wanted it to be organised. Committed managers of underage sides had for too long been running all over the city, dragging their players out of bed. He found a sympathetic ear in the Finance Minister. One of the things they talked about was the decline in the standard of coaching in schools. Bailey, Bertie and everyone else at the core of GAA in Dublin could see that teachers were putting in fewer unpaid hours after school.

"The difference between now and 40 years ago, if you stood outside a school when the bell rang back then, you'd be run down by all the kids running home," says Ahern. "If you stood there now, you'd be run down by the teachers. So there are challenges, the world moves on. Who's going to train the team at half-four? The schools were collapsing, the clubs were collapsing. There was a handful of them doing well, but even some of the traditional ones were not doing well, St Vincent's for example."

Ahern agreed to fund a coaching revolution in Dublin. Croke Park showed no interest at first. They were focused on the redevelopment of HQ. But eventually GAA bosses, worried about player participation level in the capital, warmed to the idea. The project was introduced on the basis that it was a pilot. If it worked in Dublin, it could be rolled out elsewhere.

"I could bring it through Finance because it involved coaching kids," Ahern explains. "It was school, it was afterschool . . . we had to gear the whole thing back to school because that was the only way I could justify it. I said it would have to be absolutely transparent and public, because I'd get hammered [otherwise], and that's what we did.

"We put it up as a pilot project, and I made a few speeches. I built it into the estimates that it was a pilot that would continue in Dublin, and if other people wanted to add in bits later on, fine, but Dublin would remain, and that's what I did. I did it on the basis that GAA in Dublin wasn't dead but it was weak."

By building the project into the estimates, Ahern ensured that it was set in stone even if he moved out of Finance. Of course, the fact that he went on to be Taoiseach helped too.

Clubs were forced to adhere to strict rules and it took quite some time for the project to build momentum. To Ahern it wasn't rocket science. He spent his holidays in Kerry, where they had been doing all that without State aid for generations. "You have to butter the bread," he says, "before you put the sambo together."

[Mickmack]

What is Ahern implying in the extract below?

Does it mean that funding will continue from the public purse indefinitely because Ahern " built the project into the estimates"?

"I could bring it through Finance because it involved coaching kids," Ahern explains. "It was school, it was afterschool . . . we had to gear the whole thing back to school because that was the only way I could justify it. I said it would have to be absolutely transparent and public, because I'd get hammered [otherwise], and that's what we did.

"We put it up as a pilot project, and I made a few speeches. I built it into the estimates that it was a pilot that would continue in Dublin, and if other people wanted to add in bits later on, fine, but Dublin would remain, and that's what I did. I did it on the basis that GAA in Dublin wasn't dead but it was weak."

By building the project into the estimates, Ahern ensured that it was set in stone even if he moved out of Finance. Of course, the fact that he went on to be Taoiseach helped too.

Clubs were forced to adhere to strict rules and it took quite some time for the project to build momentum. To Ahern it wasn't rocket science. He spent his holidays in Kerry, where they had been doing all that without State aid for generations. "You have to butter the bread," he says, "before you put the sambo together."

[Sons of Pitches]

[Mickmack]

is Berties 1m from the taxpayer to dublin gaa separate to the 17m shown above. I think it is ...

[dc84]

Feb 8, 2019 14:20:17 GMT Sons of Pitches said:

Jesus scary stuff no sense to it either just divided it by total pop. Just picked 4 that stood out to me.cork are getting royally screwed when you think they must have close to half the players and are getting 8% of the funding !
So we have the hosts of both rte sunday games live and evening are from Dublin head of the GPA and president of the GAA also so at least we know change will be coming soon 🤣

Per head
Dublin 13.32
Cork 2.65 of dublin per head 19.86%
Kerry 6.29 of dublin per head 47.25%
Donegal 4.44 of dublin per head 33.34%

[kerrybhoy06]

Feb 8, 2019 14:54:28 GMT Mickmack said:

is Berties 1m from the taxpayer to dublin gaa separate to the 17m shown above. I think it is ...

It is indeed

[dc84]

Feb 8, 2019 16:02:15 GMT kerrybhoy06 said:

Feb 8, 2019 14:54:28 GMT Mickmack said:

is Berties 1m from the taxpayer to dublin gaa separate to the 17m shown above. I think it is ...

It is indeed

Wasnt it 1m a year for 5 years?

[Mickmack]

Feb 8, 2019 16:05:18 GMT dc84 said:

Feb 8, 2019 16:02:15 GMT kerrybhoy06 said:

It is indeed

Wasnt it 1m a year for 5 years?

Clarity on such matters is elusive

[thebluepanther]

While that figure above is huge and im not going to try and justify it, it should be noted that the figures above dont include Money allocated to provincial councils per year. which is then distributed back to counties this is not in Sean mc Goldrick list.
Dublin are exempt from provincial moneys.

[exiled]

Level playing field. What a joke.

[Mickmack]

To my knowledge plans have been put in place to continue this level into the future .


So 12 years time, in 2031 the table could show Dublin on 36m with the next highest on 3m or so.

[thebluepanther]

Feb 17, 2019 1:11:38 GMT Mickmack said:

To my knowledge plans have been put in place to continue this level into the future .


So 12 years time, in 2031 the table could show Dublin on 36m with the next highest on 3m or so.

Mickmack , I'm reluctant to get into a debate about Dublin's finances as i'm on a hiding to nothing , especially on a Kerry Forum.
but a few things should be mentioned.  
If i was from another county and saw those figures i would be going mad.  i would be annoyed that Dublin play their games in Croke Park , don't have to travel too much , get a substantial figure from sponsorship and with a big population to chose from seem to  have all the cards stacked in their favour. I understand other counties frustrations. I understand people wanting transparency .  Wanting a level playing field, The Croke Park factor is helping nobody at the moment. Dublin fans enjoyed Kerry and want more games like this. not a half empty Croke Park in the league or early Leinster games. 

what annoys me is when journalists like Sean McGoldrick  pick a section of a report that has a huge margin and run with it ,  then other lazy journalists copy and paste. In that report there is a section that shows money allocated to provinces , Dublin are exempt from those moneys.  Circa 7 million a year.  Leinster received 1.7 million last year. when a good proportion of that goes to Meath and kildare  it makes their figures look totally different,  multiply it by 10 or 11 years and while still a good bit behind  Dublin the shock value is not as great.   Sean knew that provincial councils redistributed that money back to the counties  for games developement but didn't bother to add those figures in.  

Funding for Dublin had been cut over the last 2 years , Down around 200,000 , id imagine plans are in place to slowly bring it down further year on year. 
Dublin did receive 17 million in games developement   but the next county did not only recieve 1 or 2 million ,    A column on a report  shown in isolation suggests  this and off course for a journalist like Sean mc Goldrick thats  clickbait and helps his twitter feed. 

Finally im not defending what Dublin gets ,its huge but a lot of money has gone to other counties where nothing has been done with it.  





 
  







Contrary to what you believe Dublin funding has gone down over the last few years , it will continue to do so.