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Post by Mickmack on May 19, 2016 18:54:45 GMT
Money is the same no matter what way you dress it up. Kerry have plenty of money. If Donegal can compete at the top for a few years with less population and much less funding than Kerry, it shows that money only gets you so far. The main reason Kerry are still very much at the top is because of all the great structures and know-how and coaching, and just sheer effort that they put in. The Centre of Excellence thing may make a difference, who knows. Dublin don't have one. A transitional Kerry team has been in 3 of the last 5 All-I finals, and competed very strongly in the semi-final of one of the other two years. What does that say about where Kerry will be at senior level as soon as some more talent starts to filter through from the strong underrage set-up they have in place? They reached two All-I finals in a row, the first team to do it in a decade since a truly great Kerry team did it, and they lost by 3 points despite playing very poorly on the day. What do people propose is done with all the money that goes on county teams, start a transfer system? Because there isn't one. And that's why the playing field is not very unlevel for the bigger counties. Niall Moyna has been one of the recognised experts in physical conditioning in sport for many years. He has worked with several different counties. Cork are a huge county with excellent resources, or potential resources. Their recent decline (which hasn't been anything unusual in football historically) is certainly not to do with money first and foremost. And anything financial that may be relevant is to do with how they financial side of things is run there. If Cork got their act together they would be winning a hell of alot more. Question that really needs asking is what are the problems, in each individual case? Perhaps GAA in Cork at the county level is no longer the priority it was in the past. And that probably goes for several or many other counties. And is it such a bad thing? If the focus goes more back to clubs, the inter-county thing will be devalued and the drive towards professionalistic type structures and games will decline. And the ponsorship will decline. The only question then will be, will decline in standards at that level badly affect the assoc overall? It may do in terms of competing with other sports I suppose. And then there's the whole side to it that alot of money from inter-county competitions goes back into grassroots. That will reduce too. Good thought provoking post there to ponder. You are on a roll today rashers. I was on the train home laughing aloud about the zoo bit. The bit below is a very sharp. Hemingway himself would be proud of it. No wonder Joe buckled. the more you say something, and the more you say it like it must be true and 'everybody knows this', the more true it becomes. It sinks into people's minds, policy-makers minds, members minds, referees' minds, CCCC's minds and so on.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 19, 2016 19:21:59 GMT
I read somewhere that there are 1200 males in dublin between 20 and 30 for one Kerry male Those numbers are MILES out. It would put the number of such males in Kerry well, well below 500. The multiplier is of the order of 12 rather than 1200.
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Post by Mickmack on May 19, 2016 20:52:14 GMT
You could be right.... but i seem to remember reading it and thinking it mad.
Betwwen 20 and 30 ... football age is the test... i must try to research it.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on May 19, 2016 21:17:14 GMT
Ah jaysus lads, if yis are just going to turn around and start being nice to me after all that, well, that I just can't deal with. I give up. Yous win. Mick is right, The End is (indeed) Nigh.
I was reading a bit on hogan stand there. I only do that about once a year, it's as much as one could reasonably be expected to tolerate, it's like picking up the Daily Star or whatever for a bit of easy entertainment and a laugh. There's one poster, calls himself KYTitletown, every single post that I saw from him, I mean EVERY last one, says something like "unstoppable blue juggernaut", or "massive blue tsunami". I have to admit, it made me laugh.
Gas thing is, people were actually arguing with him about the other bits in the posts. Mad Ted. So yis WILL let me know when Tommy Walsh comes back into the squad and is about to go on a spree of devastation with the Gooch & JOD....... won't yis??
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 19, 2016 21:34:22 GMT
There is no could about it.
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Post by kerrygold on May 20, 2016 8:08:45 GMT
It didn't seep into policy makers minds when they fixed Dublin's game against Laois for Kilkenny. Or when the CCCC/DRA made the decision on Diarmuid Connolly's 2 red cards in semi finals in recent years or when a certain referee from Cavan got swept along in blue euphoria in a final a few years ago. Your attempts to create some kind of an "us versus the world" scenario about this is funny. We all know that whether the Laois-Dublin game was played in Nolan or O'Moore makes little or no difference to the expected outcome. It never has done, and any Leinster games that were expected to draw more than 20-25,000 were always in Croker. My reference to who or what may be influenced by the incessant campaign in the media was with the accumulated effect of what is happening right now in mind - in other words that eventually it gathers enough momentum, force, and influence to do so. It's not so long ago that many posters on here believed 100% that elements in the media & GAA had it in for them and were bringing influence to bear........ As for the ref a few years ago, regardless of the argument about his performance, that was long before this obsessional and overwhelming campaign began. As I said above, it started about 2 years ago, after Jim Gavin and some of the players from previous and who joined the squad after 2013 began to prove they could be more successful, and play great football to boot. The ref in 2011 obsession was a different one, another campaign. Though clearly of similar origin. By the way, how does someone get swept along in a euphoria which hadn't yet happened? Must have been a fortune teller so! That is no grounds/arguement on which to take a home game away from a county. Finances alone, a serious loss for the midland town of Portlaoise. Sense of event, huge loss also.
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Post by onlykerry on May 20, 2016 8:19:01 GMT
I stopped counting sheep to get me to sleep last night and switched to males in the 20-34 age brackets by county and here is what I arrived at. Dublin 170,159 Kerry 13,876 Leitrim 2,874 I threw in Leitrim as they were the lowest.
Based on 2011 census figues on the CSO website in case anybody is asking..
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 20, 2016 9:04:40 GMT
I stopped counting sheep to get me to sleep last night and switched to males in the 20-34 age brackets by county and here is what I arrived at. Dublin 170,159 Kerry 13,876 Leitrim 2,874 I threw in Leitrim as they were the lowest. Based on 2011 census figues on the CSO website in case anybody is asking.. I was very close. That's why they pay me the big bucks.
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Post by skybluezone on May 20, 2016 10:33:03 GMT
We all know that whether the Laois-Dublin game was played in Nolan or O'Moore makes little or no difference to the expected outcome. It never has done, and any Leinster games that were expected to draw more than 20-25,000 were always in Croker. My reference to who or what may be influenced by the incessant campaign in the media was with the accumulated effect of what is happening right now in mind - in other words that eventually it gathers enough momentum, force, and influence to do so. It's not so long ago that many posters on here believed 100% that elements in the media & GAA had it in for them and were bringing influence to bear........ As for the ref a few years ago, regardless of the argument about his performance, that was long before this obsessional and overwhelming campaign began. As I said above, it started about 2 years ago, after Jim Gavin and some of the players from previous and who joined the squad after 2013 began to prove they could be more successful, and play great football to boot. The ref in 2011 obsession was a different one, another campaign. Though clearly of similar origin. By the way, how does someone get swept along in a euphoria which hadn't yet happened? Must have been a fortune teller so! That is no grounds/arguement on which to take a home game away from a county. Finances alone, a serious loss for the midland town of Portlaoise. Sense of event, huge loss also. 100% agree.
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Post by buck02 on May 20, 2016 11:15:57 GMT
Why not wait until the winners of the Laois Wicklow game was known before making the fixture. It's a crazy decision to play it in Kilkenny - the place is busy most weekends never mind the Cats Laugh festival when this game is being played. The same can't be said of Portlaois - the dubs invasion would have been manna from heaven to publicans, hoteliers and other business owners in the town. Then you add in the attitude the Kilkenny county board show towards football and the decision becomes even crazier. They might as well have left in Croke Park.
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Post by kerrygold on May 20, 2016 12:41:26 GMT
Even at this stage it should be switched to Potlaoise now that crowd concerns associated with Aughrim are no longer in the equation.
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Post by givehimaball on May 20, 2016 16:59:04 GMT
Even at this stage it should be switched to Potlaoise now that crowd concerns associated with Aughrim are no longer in the equation. Some Dublin fans who have accommodation booked wouldn't be too happy I'd imagine. Although it would be worth announcing it just to hear the Kilkenny County Board (strongly influenced by the Kilkenny publicans) kicking up a fuss about a football game.
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Post by Mickmack on May 20, 2016 23:12:02 GMT
The true measure of any society can be found in how it treats its most vulnerable members
Mahatma Gandhi
The GAA could do more for the weaker counties in my opinion
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Post by yourholiness on May 21, 2016 10:35:55 GMT
I'm at a loss to understand why it was fixed for Kilkenny . Equidistant between portlaois and aughrim? Neutral venue ? It's one of those unfathomable GAA moves . Having finally succumbed to shifting the Dubs,rather than enjoy the acclimation they leave everyone scratching their heads . Has anyone in the GAA articulated their position ? Bizarre!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 21, 2016 11:02:09 GMT
The true measure of any society can be found in how it treats its most vulnerable members Mahatma Gandhi The GAA could do more for the weaker counties in my opinion They could do more for themselves comrade MickMack.
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Post by Mickmack on May 21, 2016 11:10:31 GMT
Ah jaysus could you not replace the imperialist with the pipe with a photo of Tommy Doyle. Kerry Captain in 1985. A man from Canp who put the indignity of being shoved out of the way by Seamus Darby behind him and became a great footballer and Kerry captain.
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Post by inforthebreaks on May 21, 2016 14:34:38 GMT
wasnt it 86 he was captain?
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on May 22, 2016 11:44:17 GMT
We all know that whether the Laois-Dublin game was played in Nolan or O'Moore makes little or no difference to the expected outcome. It never has done, and any Leinster games that were expected to draw more than 20-25,000 were always in Croker. My reference to who or what may be influenced by the incessant campaign in the media was with the accumulated effect of what is happening right now in mind - in other words that eventually it gathers enough momentum, force, and influence to do so. It's not so long ago that many posters on here believed 100% that elements in the media & GAA had it in for them and were bringing influence to bear........ As for the ref a few years ago, regardless of the argument about his performance, that was long before this obsessional and overwhelming campaign began. As I said above, it started about 2 years ago, after Jim Gavin and some of the players from previous and who joined the squad after 2013 began to prove they could be more successful, and play great football to boot. The ref in 2011 obsession was a different one, another campaign. Though clearly of similar origin. By the way, how does someone get swept along in a euphoria which hadn't yet happened? Must have been a fortune teller so! That is no grounds/arguement on which to take a home game away from a county. Finances alone, a serious loss for the midland town of Portlaoise. Sense of event, huge loss also. Never any argument with that, it wasn't what was being discussed/the context. And we all know the reason it went to Nolan was because of 'more seats', and therefore the reason was money. It certainly didn't go there out of any sensible logistics or regard for supporters, who are travelling into one of the most popular small cities in the country on a bank holiday weekend with one of the biggest festivals in the country on at the same time. All of this makes the unfairness and loss to Portlaoise town all the more galling. I meant that people saying "it's not an away game, it's neutral", in reference to the advantages/disadvantages of venues for each team. If Laois and Dublin were remotely close in terms of how strong the teams were then I would certainly argue Portlaoise would have suited Laois better. But as it stands it makes little difference, the game will not be very close wherever it is played. Unless a huge surprise occurs
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Post by Ballyfireside on May 22, 2016 13:21:08 GMT
Summer talk reminds me of being a lone ranger neutral at a game of a day and to have a few hardy lookin lads condemn a neighbouring Ulster team of theirs. Now who was I to disagree, despite my very natural affections? I'm still not convinced that I wasn't being tested but the methodology was a bit amateur, as if it mattered what insignificant me thought of anything. Fellas have little to be doing.
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Post by Mickmack on May 22, 2016 19:14:43 GMT
Meath minors dump Dubs out of Leinster with 10-point win
PADDY CHRISTIE’S DUBLIN minor footballers have been knocked out of the Leinster championship in spectacular fashion at the hands of rivals Meath in Navan.
The Dubs had the better of their Royal neighbours in a Leinster MFL semi-final earlier this year but Meath’s youngsters ran out comprehensive 1-18 to 2-5 winners in this provincial quarter-final clash.
Meath raced out to a 0-3 to 0-0 lead early on only for the Dubs to peg them back through a Kevin Callaghan goal on six minutes.
But Meath responded in brilliant fashion to build a 0-12 to 1-2 half-time lead.
The second half couldn’t have begun much worse for the Dubs as they lost Cormac Howley to a red card before Jason Scully compounded their misery with a goal for the home side with less than 10 minutes to play.
Callaghan got his second minutes later but it was merely a consolation at that stage as the Royals had the game long sewn up.
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Post by fitz on May 23, 2016 0:07:29 GMT
wasnt it 86 he was captain? Twas. Paidi in 85. Ambrose 84 I think
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on May 23, 2016 10:00:26 GMT
Meath minors dump Dubs out of Leinster with 10-point win PADDY CHRISTIE’S DUBLIN minor footballers have been knocked out of the Leinster championship in spectacular fashion at the hands of rivals Meath in Navan. The Dubs had the better of their Royal neighbours in a Leinster MFL semi-final earlier this year but Meath’s youngsters ran out comprehensive 1-18 to 2-5 winners in this provincial quarter-final clash. Meath raced out to a 0-3 to 0-0 lead early on only for the Dubs to peg them back through a Kevin Callaghan goal on six minutes. But Meath responded in brilliant fashion to build a 0-12 to 1-2 half-time lead. The second half couldn’t have begun much worse for the Dubs as they lost Cormac Howley to a red card before Jason Scully compounded their misery with a goal for the home side with less than 10 minutes to play. Callaghan got his second minutes later but it was merely a consolation at that stage as the Royals had the game long sewn up. Second year in a row the minors have been well-beaten, not a good sign at all, especially considering we haven't had much success at that level in recent years. They should at least be competitive. Paddy Christie was an excellent underrage coach at club level. Some are saying it's the new rule about dual players that has been introduced to help the hurlers keep more players. Which is fair enough. Maybe it just says more about decrease in quality players
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Post by buck02 on May 23, 2016 10:28:45 GMT
Meath minors dump Dubs out of Leinster with 10-point win PADDY CHRISTIE’S DUBLIN minor footballers have been knocked out of the Leinster championship in spectacular fashion at the hands of rivals Meath in Navan. The Dubs had the better of their Royal neighbours in a Leinster MFL semi-final earlier this year but Meath’s youngsters ran out comprehensive 1-18 to 2-5 winners in this provincial quarter-final clash. Meath raced out to a 0-3 to 0-0 lead early on only for the Dubs to peg them back through a Kevin Callaghan goal on six minutes. But Meath responded in brilliant fashion to build a 0-12 to 1-2 half-time lead. The second half couldn’t have begun much worse for the Dubs as they lost Cormac Howley to a red card before Jason Scully compounded their misery with a goal for the home side with less than 10 minutes to play. Callaghan got his second minutes later but it was merely a consolation at that stage as the Royals had the game long sewn up. Second year in a row the minors have been well-beaten, not a good sign at all, especially considering we haven't had much success at that level in recent years. They should at least be competitive. Paddy Christie was an excellent underrage coach at club level. Some are saying it's the new rule about dual players that has been introduced to help the hurlers keep more players. Which is fair enough. Maybe it just says more about decrease in quality players Whats the rule about dual players? Does the results at minor level suggest that maybe the likes of Kildare and Meath are getting their house in order when it comes to development squads. Maybe there could be a competitive Leinster Senior Championship in about 7 or 8 years after all?
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Post by jackiel on May 23, 2016 11:56:28 GMT
This result was a bit of a shock to a lot of people here, team is made up of a lot of North Meath players, none from teams like Ratoath, Dunboyne or Donaghmore Ashbourne on the Dublin borders. Considering the stick Meath county board gets about structures and lack of proper coaching and the fact that the whole world is obsessed with Dublin's structures and finances I think this might just show that it's not all about the money. I'm not saying that Meath will go on and win the Minor AI but maybe there are green shoots after all. Rashers didn't Dublin win in 2013, young Deego on the panel.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on May 23, 2016 16:18:33 GMT
This result was a bit of a shock to a lot of people here, team is made up of a lot of North Meath players, none from teams like Ratoath, Dunboyne or Donaghmore Ashbourne on the Dublin borders. Considering the stick Meath county board gets about structures and lack of proper coaching and the fact that the whole world is obsessed with Dublin's structures and finances I think this might just show that it's not all about the money. I'm not saying that Meath will go on and win the Minor AI but maybe there are green shoots after all. Rashers didn't Dublin win in 2013, young Deego on the panel. They did, and lost the final to Tipp in 2011, which was a massive let-down. Other than that, nada. In answer to Buck02, I think the new rule is you have to declare for one game or the other, and not everyone can declare for one code only. But I'm not sure about that. In effect it stops football poaching the most talented young hurlers/dual players, if they stay with hurling. I'm all for hurling getting a better chance btw. Hopefully Meath & Kildare have something better coming through, more than that, hopefully it's a sign they are improving on structures. As regards Leinster Championship, will we really still be talking about provincial championships in more than 5 years time?
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Post by jackiel on May 23, 2016 17:41:58 GMT
Personally I'm dreading the Leinster championship this year, last years steam rolling by the Dubs of all they met made for pretty boring fare. Somehow I'd imagine we'll be having this same conversation for a while to come.
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Post by Mickmack on May 23, 2016 18:19:59 GMT
Dublin should set themselves a challenge...win the Leinster without bring on subs or something like that. Tis the 6 subs from the 50 minute on that makes a hames of the game......
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Post by kerrygold on May 24, 2016 12:56:27 GMT
They'd win the Leinster Championship by just playing their 15 subs!
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Post by kerrygold on May 24, 2016 13:00:06 GMT
This result was a bit of a shock to a lot of people here, team is made up of a lot of North Meath players, none from teams like Ratoath, Dunboyne or Donaghmore Ashbourne on the Dublin borders. Considering the stick Meath county board gets about structures and lack of proper coaching and the fact that the whole world is obsessed with Dublin's structures and finances I think this might just show that it's not all about the money. I'm not saying that Meath will go on and win the Minor AI but maybe there are green shoots after all. Rashers didn't Dublin win in 2013, young Deego on the panel. They did, and lost the final to Tipp in 2011, which was a massive let-down. Other than that, nada. In answer to Buck02, I think the new rule is you have to declare for one game or the other, and not everyone can declare for one code only. But I'm not sure about that. In effect it stops football poaching the most talented young hurlers/dual players, if they stay with hurling. I'm all for hurling getting a better chance btw. Hopefully Meath & Kildare have something better coming through, more than that, hopefully it's a sign they are improving on structures. As regards Leinster Championship, will we really still be talking about provincial championships in more than 5 years time? Yes, the Pope will marry before the Provincial championships are dispensed with.
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Post by onlykerry on May 24, 2016 13:31:10 GMT
This result was a bit of a shock to a lot of people here, team is made up of a lot of North Meath players, none from teams like Ratoath, Dunboyne or Donaghmore Ashbourne on the Dublin borders. Considering the stick Meath county board gets about structures and lack of proper coaching and the fact that the whole world is obsessed with Dublin's structures and finances I think this might just show that it's not all about the money. I'm not saying that Meath will go on and win the Minor AI but maybe there are green shoots after all. Rashers didn't Dublin win in 2013, young Deego on the panel. They did, and lost the final to Tipp in 2011, which was a massive let-down. Other than that, nada. In answer to Buck02, I think the new rule is you have to declare for one game or the other, and not everyone can declare for one code only. But I'm not sure about that. In effect it stops football poaching the most talented young hurlers/dual players, if they stay with hurling. I'm all for hurling getting a better chance btw. Hopefully Meath & Kildare have something better coming through, more than that, hopefully it's a sign they are improving on structures. As regards Leinster Championship, will we really still be talking about provincial championships in more than 5 years time? Minor success does not always translate to senior - looking at the stats Dublin despite all we have said about numbers, finances and structures have had a tough time of it at minor in the past number of years. They have contested the same number of AI QF's as Meath and Kildare in the period since 2002 (five) and Leinster have had eight different counties represent the province in that period suggesting a good spread of quality. This does not carry through to seniors. In the same period Kerry (13) have only missed the QF's on one occasion. Mayo and Roscommon with 9 QF's and Galway, Tipp and Tyrone are the next on the leader board with 8. Numbers based on 2002 - 2015 Kerry's return of two AI wins is poor for the number of QF's they reached - there is a good spread of winners with 25 different counties contesting at least one QF.
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