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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 7, 2016 13:23:16 GMT
skybluezone...why do you think it is that so few Dubs travel to away games? Will Kerry even get 16,000 in total this weekend? Why do u think Kerry people dont follow their team, in anything like the numbers Dublin people did 10 years ago, before the really successful era?
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Post by skybluezone on Jun 7, 2016 13:38:50 GMT
skybluezone...why do you think it is that so few Dubs travel to away games? haha loaded question Mick! Maybe the post below yours contains the correct answer! Was there myself (just for the record), according to the public announcer the crowd was 17k plus. No joke there was about 50 Laois supporters there so they were the "plus" bit. Sweeping generalisation to say that the Dubs don't travel as we havent been outside HQ for 10 years. I'm not too sure many others would bring 17k to a provincial qf on a bank holiday weekend with Kilkenny booked to hi dough with cat laughs festival etc and the hike in hotel prices etc etc etc. And everyone knew it was a non contest in advance. Worse it was over after 14 seconds. Anytime Dublin have been out of HQ for a juicy encounter the supporters have turned up alright. Thurles 2001 twice (cue jokes about getting lost after the Red Cow roundabout), Cork 83 spring to mind. Also great support in CLones in 2003 I think it was, for a qualifier v Derry. Here is a better question. Why was the narrative in ALL of the weekends media harping on about a sloppy Dublin performance? Is an 11 point win, with victory absolutely assured after 5 minutes worthy of criticism? Worse, Canavan in his Matt Cooper slot was "hoping" Laois really believed in themselves, hoping they would defend like dogs and hoping they would get forward in numbers. Everyone is hoping Dublin get caught out found out or whatever. It doesn't read well in terms of impartiality.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 7, 2016 13:41:44 GMT
skybluezone...why do you think it is that so few Dubs travel to away games? Will Kerry even get 16,000 in total this weekend? Why do u think Kerry people dont follow their team, in anything like the numbers Dublin people did 10 years ago,before the really successful era? You know we are at you only because some people argue that it is OK for Dublin not to play away because provincial grounds don't have the capacity for the huge Dublin support. The evidence suggests this argument is built on sand. BTW the real reason that Dublin don't play away is because said provincial counties vote for it in order to get a larger bonanza by using Croke Park. I don't blame the Dubs.
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Post by kot on Jun 7, 2016 14:00:55 GMT
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Post by onlykerry on Jun 7, 2016 14:16:21 GMT
skybluezone...why do you think it is that so few Dubs travel to away games? haha loaded question Mick! Maybe the post below yours contains the correct answer! Was there myself (just for the record), according to the public announcer the crowd was 17k plus. No joke there was about 50 Laois supporters there so they were the "plus" bit. Sweeping generalisation to say that the Dubs don't travel as we havent been outside HQ for 10 years. I'm not too sure many others would bring 17k to a provincial qf on a bank holiday weekend with Kilkenny booked to hi dough with cat laughs festival etc and the hike in hotel prices etc etc etc. And everyone knew it was a non contest in advance. Worse it was over after 14 seconds. Anytime Dublin have been out of HQ for a juicy encounter the supporters have turned up alright. Thurles 2001 twice (cue jokes about getting lost after the Red Cow roundabout), Cork 83 spring to mind. Also great support in CLones in 2003 I think it was, for a qualifier v Derry. Here is a better question. Why was the narrative in ALL of the weekends media harping on about a sloppy Dublin performance? Is an 11 point win, with victory absolutely assured after 5 minutes worthy of criticism? Worse, Canavan in his Matt Cooper slot was "hoping" Laois really believed in themselves, hoping they would defend like dogs and hoping they would get forward in numbers. Everyone is hoping Dublin get caught out found out or whatever. It doesn't read well in terms of impartiality. When your King of the Castle everybody will take a pot shot at you - dont take it to heart and enjoy being top dog as long as it lasts. All good things pass and all that.....
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Post by onlykerry on Jun 7, 2016 14:18:30 GMT
Will Kerry even get 16,000 in total this weekend? Why do u think Kerry people dont follow their team, in anything like the numbers Dublin people did 10 years ago,before the really successful era? You know we are at you only because some people argue that it is OK for Dublin not to play away because provincial grounds don't have the capacity for the huge Dublin support. The evidence suggests this argument is built on sand. BTW the real reason that Dublin don't play away is because said provincial counties vote for it in order to get a larger bonanza by using Croke Park. I don't blame the Dubs. Why are you letting truth get in the way of a good yarn - much better fun rising the Dubs with stories of inequality and blaming them for whatever we can dream up ... Afterall what player wants to play in any ground other than Croke Park when the truth is told...
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Post by derry4sam on Jun 7, 2016 14:47:21 GMT
I think he is certainly onto something there though. Dublin's only weakness is the lack of height at the back, there is no other weakness to my eyes so there must be an attempt to exploit it and in a much better way than lumping hopeless ball into an isolated Donaghy. Tommy Walsh probably was the ideal man to perform such a role though and perhaps still can be? Johnny Buckley maybe? Kerry have plenty of big men with good hands and can play, I wouldn't totally laugh at the idea of Moran in there either to be honest.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 7, 2016 14:49:03 GMT
Paul Geaney good in air.
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Post by skybluezone on Jun 7, 2016 16:26:31 GMT
I think he is certainly onto something there though. Dublin's only weakness is the lack of height at the back, there is no other weakness to my eyes so there must be an attempt to exploit it and in a much better way than lumping hopeless ball into an isolated Donaghy. Tommy Walsh probably was the ideal man to perform such a role though and perhaps still can be? Johnny Buckley maybe? Kerry have plenty of big men with good hands and can play, I wouldn't totally laugh at the idea of Moran in there either to be honest. Yeh can see why others can see it like that. The loss of O'Carroll and Jack Mc have left Dublin a bit light at the back in terms of options. The only seasoned defenders on the bench last week were Mick Fitzsimons and Darren Daly. So its a reality that Dublin will have to deal with. Dublin have 9 million options in the forwards, or it seems like it anyway. Front 6 that started last weekend plus Flynn, Andrews, Costello, O'Gara (great to see him back) and now O'Callaghan who was well flagged as an under age star. Thats 11 who would push to get into anyone else's forward line. If teams are to go the Jim McGuiness route, my take is that it would mean committing at least 5 forwards into the Dublin half for most/all of the game. Doesn't take great maths to figure out that it means leaving your defenders possibly one on one with any of the above named Dublin forwards. Not too sure that many teams out there are prepared to chance that policy. The article also comes across as a little serving, as in Jim has been the only man to figure all this out, as he did in 2014. But sure he must have been so busy preparing for Dublin that he forgot about Kerry!
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Post by kot on Jun 7, 2016 16:46:52 GMT
I think he is certainly onto something there though. Dublin's only weakness is the lack of height at the back, there is no other weakness to my eyes so there must be an attempt to exploit it and in a much better way than lumping hopeless ball into an isolated Donaghy. Tommy Walsh probably was the ideal man to perform such a role though and perhaps still can be? Johnny Buckley maybe? Kerry have plenty of big men with good hands and can play, I wouldn't totally laugh at the idea of Moran in there either to be honest. Yeh can see why others can see it like that. The loss of O'Carroll and Jack Mc have left Dublin a bit light at the back in terms of options. The only seasoned defenders on the bench last week were Mick Fitzsimons and Darren Daly. So its a reality that Dublin will have to deal with. Dublin have 9 million options in the forwards, or it seems like it anyway. Front 6 that started last weekend plus Flynn, Andrews, Costello, O'Gara (great to see him back) and now O'Callaghan who was well flagged as an under age star. Thats 11 who would push to get into anyone else's forward line. If teams are to go the Jim McGuiness route, my take is that it would mean committing at least 5 forwards into the Dublin half for most/all of the game. Doesn't take great maths to figure out that it means leaving your defenders possibly one on one with any of the above named Dublin forwards. Not too sure that many teams out there are prepared to chance that policy. The article also comes across as a little serving, as in Jim has been the only man to figure all this out, as he did in 2014. But sure he must have been so busy preparing for Dublin that he forgot about Kerry! I think he is implying that one (or 2) of your half forwards are funneling back when you do not have the ball immediately if you dont force Dublin to go long. Then if the corner backs do go wandering up and the midfielders are back then it leaves 2 big men, a fella like Gooch inside and maybe the likes of JOD out giving COS food for thought. Dont know how well it would work to be honest but would argue that its the best proposed way of beating Dublin I have seen so far..... apart from taking out our best fielder for when you do force Dublin to go long and plonk him in beside Donaghy. Robbing Peter to pay Paul.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 7, 2016 17:35:43 GMT
Will Kerry even get 16,000 in total this weekend? Why do u think Kerry people dont follow their team, in anything like the numbers Dublin people did 10 years ago,before the really successful era? You know we are at you only because some people argue that it is OK for Dublin not to play away because provincial grounds don't have the capacity for the huge Dublin support. The evidence suggests this argument is built on sand. BTW the real reason that Dublin don't play away is because said provincial counties vote for it in order to get a larger bonanza by using Croke Park. I don't blame the Dubs. I know you don't Annascaul. No problem with it anyway, sure what else would we be talking about in June? I still haven't got around to some of your other points though! Don't know how anyone can say 16,000 isn't a really good turn-up of away support for a foregone conclusion game in a downturn era for attendances & an over-crowded, over-booked Kk. (And certainly no football town!) Mind you it's a bit less than bygone days, I recall going to Wexford & Tullamore & Navan maybe 20,000 travelling. Must be this complacency with success thing, youse in Kerry could maybe teach us a bit about that? Fact is the qualifiers have pulled the rug and the proof of that was Waterford & Clare only getting 19000 for one of the biggest head-to-heads of the year. If the Munster Hurling golden goose is dead, then everything else is in trouble
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Post by Aodhan on Jun 7, 2016 23:31:39 GMT
You know we are at you only because some people argue that it is OK for Dublin not to play away because provincial grounds don't have the capacity for the huge Dublin support. The evidence suggests this argument is built on sand. BTW the real reason that Dublin don't play away is because said provincial counties vote for it in order to get a larger bonanza by using Croke Park. I don't blame the Dubs. I know you don't Annascaul. No problem with it anyway, sure what else would we be talking about in June? I still haven't got around to some of your other points though! Don't know how anyone can say 16,000 isn't a really good turn-up of away support for a foregone conclusion game in a downturn era for attendances & an over-crowded, over-booked Kk. (And certainly no football town!) Mind you it's a bit less than bygone days, I recall going to Wexford & Tullamore & Navan maybe 20,000 travelling. Must be this complacency with success thing, youse in Kerry could maybe teach us a bit about that? Fact is the qualifiers have pulled the rug and the proof of that was Waterford & Clare only getting 19000 for one of the biggest head-to-heads of the year. If the Munster Hurling golden goose is dead, then everything else is in trouble Rashers, per capita that would be the equivalent of less than 2,000 Kerry supporters.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 8, 2016 7:26:28 GMT
There must have been the guts of 2000 Kerry hurling fans in tullamore a few weeks ago...it looked that way anyway
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 8, 2016 23:32:28 GMT
I know you don't Annascaul. No problem with it anyway, sure what else would we be talking about in June? I still haven't got around to some of your other points though! Don't know how anyone can say 16,000 isn't a really good turn-up of away support for a foregone conclusion game in a downturn era for attendances & an over-crowded, over-booked Kk. (And certainly no football town!) Mind you it's a bit less than bygone days, I recall going to Wexford & Tullamore & Navan maybe 20,000 travelling. Must be this complacency with success thing, youse in Kerry could maybe teach us a bit about that? Fact is the qualifiers have pulled the rug and the proof of that was Waterford & Clare only getting 19000 for one of the biggest head-to-heads of the year. If the Munster Hurling golden goose is dead, then everything else is in trouble Rashers, per capita that would be the equivalent of less than 2,000 Kerry supporters. Per capita of what, GAA supporters?
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 9, 2016 19:43:37 GMT
skybluezone...why do you think it is that so few Dubs travel to away games? haha loaded question Mick! Maybe the post below yours contains the correct answer! Was there myself (just for the record), according to the public announcer the crowd was 17k plus. No joke there was about 50 Laois supporters there so they were the "plus" bit. Sweeping generalisation to say that the Dubs don't travel as we havent been outside HQ for 10 years. I'm not too sure many others would bring 17k to a provincial qf on a bank holiday weekend with Kilkenny booked to hi dough with cat laughs festival etc and the hike in hotel prices etc etc etc. And everyone knew it was a non contest in advance. Worse it was over after 14 seconds. Anytime Dublin have been out of HQ for a juicy encounter the supporters have turned up alright. Thurles 2001 twice (cue jokes about getting lost after the Red Cow roundabout), Cork 83 spring to mind. Also great support in CLones in 2003 I think it was, for a qualifier v Derry. Here is a better question. Why was the narrative in ALL of the weekends media harping on about a sloppy Dublin performance? Is an 11 point win, with victory absolutely assured after 5 minutes worthy of criticism? Worse, Canavan in his Matt Cooper slot was "hoping" Laois really believed in themselves, hoping they would defend like dogs and hoping they would get forward in numbers. Everyone is hoping Dublin get caught out found out or whatever. It doesn't read well in terms of impartiality.
You could be onto something here skybluezone. I believe that there are five stages to this syndrome. This could be the start of stage one but its too early to say but I will watch this space with interest.
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Post by Aodhan on Jun 10, 2016 2:15:10 GMT
Rashers, per capita that would be the equivalent of less than 2,000 Kerry supporters. Per capita of what, GAA supporters? Will Kerry even get 16,000 in total this weekend? I guess you are lining up to inform us that while 100% of Kerry people are GAA supporters only 12% of Dubs are.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 10, 2016 15:19:14 GMT
Per capita of what, GAA supporters? Will Kerry even get 16,000 in total this weekend? I guess you are lining up to inform us that while 100% of Kerry people are GAA supporters only 12% of Dubs are. Only 12% are gaelic football supporters. About 5% support hurling only. 20% are die-hard soccer only fans who grew up being hammered by GAA-fundamentalists from Kerry in school. About 60% support other counties!
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Post by Aodhan on Jun 12, 2016 7:43:25 GMT
I guess you are lining up to inform us that while 100% of Kerry people are GAA supporters only 12% of Dubs are. Only 12% are gaelic football supporters. About 5% support hurling only. 20% are die-hard soccer only fans who grew up being hammered by GAA-fundamentalists from Kerry in school. About 60% support other counties! 12%, simply amazing, how did you arrive at that number? If this is true Dublin GAA do not deserve the free money they are receiving. What is your estimate (or fact) on the Kerry gaelic football % support?
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Post by wayupnorth on Jun 12, 2016 8:27:41 GMT
This argument turns on what you mean by "supporter". Support ranges from the die hard who gets obsessed with even the most obscure matches to those who might tune in to watch their county play in an All Ireland final. The percentage of the former would be pretty low in any county even Kerry. Whatever way you look at it the number of supporters in Dublin must be higher than anywhere else in Ireland which at least partially justifies the amount of money spent there.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 12, 2016 8:35:07 GMT
This argument turns on what you mean by "supporter". Support ranges from the die hard who gets obsessed with even the most obscure matches to those who might tune in to watch their county play in an All Ireland final. The percentage of the former would be pretty low in any county even Kerry. Whatever way you look at it the number of supporters in Dublin must be higher than anywhere else in Ireland which at least partially justifies the amount of money spent there. Paradoxically I think a low (relative) number of supporters in Dublin is a better argument for increased spending in the capital.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 12, 2016 10:09:22 GMT
If you could put the Aviva stadium sitting on top of the stands in Croker, the Dubs fans would fill the two stadiums when they play in the All Ireland final. The question is why so few will travel more than 18 miles to support their team. 18 miles is the distance from Balbriggan to Croker...Balbriggan is the furthest distance from Croker in Dublin
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Jun 12, 2016 11:24:03 GMT
If you could put the Aviva stadium sitting on top of the stands in Croker, the Dubs fans would fill the two stadiums when they play in the All Ireland final. The question is why so few will travel more than 18 miles to support their team. 18 miles is the distance from Balbriggan to Croker...Balbriggan is the furthest distance from Croker in Dublin To be fair, if most counties got to an AI final, their fans would fill the size of Croke and Aviva on their own.
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Post by givehimaball on Jun 12, 2016 11:38:54 GMT
If you could put the Aviva stadium sitting on top of the stands in Croker, the Dubs fans would fill the two stadiums when they play in the All Ireland final. The question is why so few will travel more than 18 miles to support their team. 18 miles is the distance from Balbriggan to Croker...Balbriggan is the furthest distance from Croker in Dublin To be fair, if most counties got to an AI final, their fans would fill the size of Croke and Aviva on their own. Leitrim, Fermanagh, Louth, cork probably the exceptions.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 12, 2016 11:57:18 GMT
To be fair, if most counties got to an AI final, their fans would fill the size of Croke and Aviva on their own. Leitrim, Fermanagh, Louth, cork probably the exceptions. Awesome dig.
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Jun 12, 2016 13:45:54 GMT
Leitrim, Fermanagh, Louth, cork probably the exceptions. Awesome dig. Careful now. Don't you remember Martin Sludden getting abuse from angry Louth men?
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 12, 2016 15:42:55 GMT
Only 12% are gaelic football supporters. About 5% support hurling only. 20% are die-hard soccer only fans who grew up being hammered by GAA-fundamentalists from Kerry in school. About 60% support other counties! 12%, simply amazing, how did you arrive at that number? If this is true Dublin GAA do not deserve the free money they are receiving. What is your estimate (or fact) on the Kerry gaelic football % support? I arrived at it because you told me to! I haven't a clue and couldn't care less what the stats are, except in terms of the value of knowing how well GAA is doing compared to other sports. It's a daft argument. But nonetheless entertaining! How was the crowd today btw?
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 12, 2016 15:53:57 GMT
If you could put the Aviva stadium sitting on top of the stands in Croker, the Dubs fans would fill the two stadiums when they play in the All Ireland final. The question is why so few will travel more than 18 miles to support their team. 18 miles is the distance from Balbriggan to Croker...Balbriggan is the furthest distance from Croker in Dublin At least 30,000-40,000 went to Thurles, and probably 30,000 to Cork in '83. If the All-I final between Kerry & Dublin was held in Causeway, and the stadium capacity 83,500. And if all the tickets went to fans of the counties, I'd say we'd bring about 49,000. Ballybunion would have to look into emergency shelters. Banna Strand would be like Dunkirk. Killarney would open a regional disaster plan operation with a refugee centre. Micko would open another three hotels to house asylum-seekers refusing to return to the badlands of Ballymun & Coolock. Causeway would become a new urban centre, sprawled together with Ballyduff. The night before the final the Kerry team would stay in Malahide, due to the fact that the southside would remain over-crowded.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 12, 2016 16:28:27 GMT
If you could put the Aviva stadium sitting on top of the stands in Croker, the Dubs fans would fill the two stadiums when they play in the All Ireland final. The question is why so few will travel more than 18 miles to support their team. 18 miles is the distance from Balbriggan to Croker...Balbriggan is the furthest distance from Croker in Dublin At least 30,000-40,000 went to Thurles, and probably 30,000 to Cork in '83. If the All-I final between Kerry & Dublin was held in Causeway, and the stadium capacity 83,500. And if all the tickets went to fans of the counties, I'd say we'd bring about 49,000. Ballybunion would have to look into emergency shelters. Banna Strand would be like Dunkirk. Killarney would open a regional disaster plan operation with a refugee centre. Micko would open another three hotels to house asylum-seekers refusing to return to the badlands of Ballymun & Coolock. Causeway would become a new urban centre, sprawled together with Ballyduff. The night before the final the Kerry team would stay in Malahide, due to the fact that the southside would remain over-crowded. Are you dissing our tourist injury? Now the gloves are really off needle-boy.
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Post by baurtregaum on Jun 12, 2016 16:40:55 GMT
Kerry - Tipp final. Cork lost to Tipp today which is shocking but not a suprise given the past 12 months. Tipp were value for the win. Up by 6 points at one stage in 2nd half. Keeper made bad mistake with short kickout for Tipperary's third goal. Are short kickouts worth the hassle?
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Post by ballynamona on Jun 12, 2016 17:13:18 GMT
I think this result qualifies as a shock given how many players Tipp lost.
When Kerry played Tipp in Thurles last year, the throw-in was delayed as over 11k people turned up. Today, there were less than 3,000 there. No-one expected this.
Huge credit to the Stacks man, Liam Kearns.
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