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Post by quadachuki on Oct 15, 2007 13:26:09 GMT
I think ye're missing the point Buck02 and osama. The corporate box idea is for others who wouldnt normally attend a National League or Club Championship game let alone have an account on this forum.
Personally I wouldnt want to watch a game in a box but there are many large Kerry based businesses who (dependent on price)would feel that this is a good way to wine and dine their customers and would take up the offer for a season. It is simply a way of our county board making more money and providing our teams with proper resources.
On the shelter and facility front dont tell me that you enjoy watching games in the cold and wet and that many people dont attend matches for this very reason. Not everybody has the interest to be writing about Kerry football in October and sure as hell will be fickle as to what level of comfort they will have watching a game.
All I'm saying is that proper facilities now may serve to increase attendances and across a multitude of games and provide a cash cow for the county board taking into account the cost of such a venture. I personally would like the possibility to be explored
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Post by redbag on Oct 15, 2007 13:30:28 GMT
Some very good points raised by ppl there. Certainly a smaller "boutique" stadium in Tralee would be top of my list. As regards Killarney - I've the feeling that some deal has been done to push more games/concerts there, you couldn't justify 55K on current usage.
Slightly off topic, it would be great if Admin could set up a session with Sean Walsh where we could put our observations on this and other topics. Not sure what is the best format - ideally a webchat, but if a list of say 20 questions could be submitted that would be good too!
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Post by buck02 on Oct 15, 2007 14:58:27 GMT
I would like to refer both redbag and quadachuki to the first post on this thread. The reason I started this thread was so that the history of Austin Stack Park wouldnt be lost in the new stadium. Now I'm not sure from the photos in last weeks Examiner as to exactly what the new stadium will be like, but the type of stadium being championed by yourselfs and Kerrygold is the total opposite of the type of ground that will be able to re-create some of the unique-ness and aura that I feel the current Austin Stack Park and its past creations have given.
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Post by Tackle Hard on Oct 15, 2007 15:16:20 GMT
Its great that were building a new stadium and training facilities but i just think its fallin short of wat we need! why not build a big 30 or 40 thousand seater stadium while we r in construction anyway! obviously it wud cost more but it wud be worth it! kerry is the kingdom, the home of gaelic football in ireland and surely it wud be fittin to have a quality stadium here!
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Post by animal on Oct 15, 2007 15:23:13 GMT
Its great that were building a new stadium and training facilities but i just think its fallin short of wat we need! why not build a big 30 or 40 thousand seater stadium while we r in construction anyway! obviously it wud cost more but it wud be worth it! kerry is the kingdom, the home of gaelic football in ireland and surely it wud be fittin to have a quality stadium here! Are you crazy?
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Post by austinstacksabu on Oct 15, 2007 15:25:01 GMT
Shane.....21 miles south east of Tralee is a town called Killarney, with a famous stadium called Fitzgerald Stadium, which is about to get an upgrade to 55,000 capacity. It hasn't been full since 1995 - I kid you not.
Now, explain to me the logic behind your suggestion to build a 40,000 stadium in Tralee, considering Austin Stacks park can't fill for an intercounty game, not to mind a club game!!
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Post by buck02 on Oct 15, 2007 15:44:03 GMT
Last time Austin Stack Park broke the 10,000 mark was for the Tipp game in 2003.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 15, 2007 19:58:01 GMT
croke park was completely redeveloped and bears no resemblence to what it replaced apart from the hill 16 end,it certainly didnt lose its soul as a result of this redevelopement but proberly quiet the contary,vastly improved the soul of the ground.I doubt too many would want to go back now to the old croke park.Surely its about moving on and producing a better end product.
was it the correct decision to sell stacks park then if we want to hold onto what it was and hold onto its history?
now that the decision is made to sell surely its more important to create a future vision that will last well into the new centuary rather than for the first 15 or 20 years of it.
a new stadium wont be long creating its own history,aura etc with time and will form its own footballing soul and identity,i' be happier to see a situation develope where the county board would be in a position to create its own sufficent funds as it moves into new and modern times by the use of its own brand name.
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Post by seannos on Oct 15, 2007 21:49:08 GMT
It is strongly advisable that any new stadium should be set out in a north-south direction from goal to goal. Refer to the GAA website regarding ground development. i understand that the proposal shown to the clubs on October 9 shows the two fields set out in an east-west direction, the same as the existing ASP. This means that the setting sun will be in the eyes of the defending players. Bad enough for footballers, but impossible for hurlers. A better more accessible site in Ballybeggan is available parallel to the main Clash road with the field running north-south. Now is the time to get this right...
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Post by alonso on Oct 16, 2007 0:41:54 GMT
Last time Austin Stack Park broke the 10,000 mark was for the Tipp game in 2003. what about league game v cork in 2004 first kerry league game under lights
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Post by alonso on Oct 16, 2007 0:43:10 GMT
Shane.....21 miles south east of Tralee is a town called Killarney, with a famous stadium called Fitzgerald Stadium, which is about to get an upgrade to 55,000 capacity. It hasn't been full since 1995 - I kid you not. Now, explain to me the logic behind your suggestion to build a 40,000 stadium in Tralee, considering Austin Stacks park can't fill for an intercounty game, not to mind a club game!! ur forgetting d munster championship v cork in 98 and 00 both days fitzgerald stadium was packed
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Post by animal on Oct 16, 2007 7:45:14 GMT
Packed is not the same as full. Also is 2 reasonably big crowds in 10 seasons enough to justify increasing the capacity? I'm all in favour of improving the ground with new dressing rooms etc but the capacity is plenty as it is.
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Post by jd1 on Oct 16, 2007 7:55:43 GMT
It is strongly advisable that any new stadium should be set out in a north-south direction from goal to goal. Refer to the GAA website regarding ground development. i understand that the proposal shown to the clubs on October 9 shows the two fields set out in an east-west direction, the same as the existing ASP. This means that the setting sun will be in the eyes of the defending players. Bad enough for footballers, but impossible for hurlers. A better more accessible site in Ballybeggan is available parallel to the main Clash road with the field running north-south. Now is the time to get this right... crickey seamno you should be on the discovery channell , top class , i bet not many people knew that
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Post by austinstacksabu on Oct 16, 2007 14:07:54 GMT
Last time Austin Stack Park broke the 10,000 mark was for the Tipp game in 2003. what about league game v cork in 2004 first kerry league game under lights Didn't have capacity of 11k plus.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Oct 16, 2007 14:16:42 GMT
Shane.....21 miles south east of Tralee is a town called Killarney, with a famous stadium called Fitzgerald Stadium, which is about to get an upgrade to 55,000 capacity. It hasn't been full since 1995 - I kid you not. Now, explain to me the logic behind your suggestion to build a 40,000 stadium in Tralee, considering Austin Stacks park can't fill for an intercounty game, not to mind a club game!! ur forgetting d munster championship v cork in 98 and 00 both days fitzgerald stadium was packed Was at both games and on both occasions my strong recollection is that Wille O'Connor called attendances that were under 42,000. I didn't miss a Kerry football championship game in Fitzgerald stadium from 1994 to 2005 and only once was it 42,000 as far as I can remember, and that was the Cork game in 1995. And in those days, capacity was more than 45,000.
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Post by quadachuki on Oct 16, 2007 14:57:10 GMT
Does anyone have any suspicion as to why the County Board would want to seemingly waste money on this increased capacity?
Is there really some brilliant logic behind it all??
Are we in some kind of a position to get the them to argue their case??
I find it hard to believe that this is being done without any justification apart from the belief that present capacity is not sufficient for 1 match that is held every other year there.
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Post by jd1 on Oct 16, 2007 15:33:02 GMT
some how i can see the likes of take that and the spice girl visiting , its a money making racket full stop
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Post by alonso on Oct 16, 2007 15:37:02 GMT
what about league game v cork in 2004 first kerry league game under lights Didn't have capacity of 11k plus. it did id say about 12000 it was packed that evening
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 16, 2007 16:42:05 GMT
As long as the back door remains in place thus rendering the provencial championships irrelevant as to the actual outcome in the race for sam then i cant ever again see 45 or 50 thousand people turn up to see kerry v cork in a munster final.
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Post by islandexile on Oct 17, 2007 10:41:36 GMT
The Cork county board have announced plans for a re-development of Pairc ui Chaoimh with 60,000 capacity. This 'Celtic Tiger' has really gone to the GAA's head! The county boards appear to be competing to have the biggest and best grounds. After all this re-developing, there'll be grounds of 50,000+ in Thurles, Limerick, Killarney and a 60,000 ground in Cork. It just doesn't make sense. The money could be used far more constructively at the grassroots level.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Oct 18, 2007 18:26:52 GMT
Nice and all as Willie's letter is, eh, hasn't Ballybeggan not been rezoned yet?
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 18, 2007 19:46:06 GMT
there is a "mine is bigger than yours" mentality as play between the various county boards around the country.
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Post by Walter Mitty on Oct 18, 2007 20:58:12 GMT
Any news on the outcome of tonight?
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Post by kingdomkerry on Oct 18, 2007 21:33:07 GMT
The Cork county board have announced plans for a re-development of Pairc ui Chaoimh with 60,000 capacity. This 'Celtic Tiger' has really gone to the GAA's head! The county boards appear to be competing to have the biggest and best grounds. After all this re-developing, there'll be grounds of 50,000+ in Thurles, Limerick, Killarney and a 60,000 ground in Cork. It just doesn't make sense. The money could be used far more constructively at the grassroots level. Dont agree. Once the stadiums are built they will eventually pay for themselves and finance grassroots.
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Post by osama on Oct 19, 2007 7:24:07 GMT
Austin Stack Park is to be sold, moving to the 15,000 capacity stadium in Ballybeggan. End of thread.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 19, 2007 9:26:34 GMT
motion passed by 195 votes to 3
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Post by black on Oct 19, 2007 9:44:12 GMT
Great it passed when job is done the county board will have top class facilities to avail from
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Post by buck02 on Oct 19, 2007 12:43:39 GMT
Didn't have capacity of 11k plus. it did id say about 12000 it was packed that evening Attendance was 7,500 according to the Irish Times report of the game - see the link on the main site.
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Post by buck02 on Oct 24, 2007 15:52:28 GMT
Todays Kerryman showed the propsed training facilities in Currans. 4 pitches and a clubhouse with a jogging track around the perimeter of the site. Not sure what the clubhouse will entail, but you would assume that there would be a top class gym and assocaited facilities in it anyway.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Oct 25, 2007 7:33:53 GMT
I wonder will the gym be only for use by Kerry teams. Would make a nice bit of money if they allowed membership to the gym etc. Be a nice money earner for the county board
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