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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2007 20:36:21 GMT
The needs for proper indoor training facilities is an absolute necessity. We can win without them but to give ourselves the best possible chance every year at all levels we need to have the best facilities. Given the weather we experience it would make a lot of sense to have facilities where players could train at their optimum regardless of the weather.
If we had experienced extreme weather conditions for the past six weeks how would that affect our preparations given the facilities we currently have?
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Post by Walter Mitty on Sept 11, 2007 22:51:54 GMT
Nemo have a class indoor syntethic football pitch which they use for ball work during the winter months....something similar would be useful in Kerry.
it should be remembered that a lot of these facilities will pay for themselves
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Post by islandexile on Oct 11, 2007 11:47:16 GMT
Kerry unveil plans for new stadium
The Kerry county board is to proceed with plans to develop a new 15,000 capacity stadium on the outskirts of Tralee.
The stadium, which will replace Austin Stack Park, will be located within the confines of Ballybeggan Park Racecourse, and club delegates got a glimpse of what the new Kerry GAA headquarters will look like when they attended a presentation by developers John J Casey Project Management Ltd and the Kerry county board executive on Tuesday night.
The fully-floodlit stadium will have 6,000 seats under a covered stand and a capacity for 9,000 on the terraces. There will be a second pitch adjacent to the ground, and the deal also includes the provision of 30 acres for a training academy at Currans.
This will include four sand-based all-weather pitches which will be floodlit, and will be used by all inter-county teams.
Kerry chairman Sean Walsh said: "It was a very good meeting. All the clubs in the county had two delegates there. We got lots of questions for about an hour and a half, but that’s what we wanted because it was an important meeting."
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Post by islandexile on Oct 11, 2007 11:47:43 GMT
Re-development of Fitzgerald Stadium set to begin
The Kerry county board revealed that construction is set to begin immediately on the upgrading of Fitzgerald Stadium in Killarney.
A number of changes will be made that includes the introduction of floodlights, new terracing that includes dressing rooms and more suitable facilities to stage concerts.
Computerised turnstiles, new referees room and warm-up areas are all part of the facelift that promises to turn Fitzgerald Stadium into a state-of-art arena.
Chairman Sean Walsh this week revealed they have received planning permission for work to begin on one section of the ground.
"We have got the planning for one section of the ground so we are hopeful the work will be starting almost immediately."
The development is set to raise the capacity by 14,000 raising it from it’s current 41,000 to 55,000.
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Post by islandexile on Oct 11, 2007 11:54:00 GMT
Obvious to see that the Kerry county board are going through some tough times financially. ;D Don't think a 55,000 stadium is necessary for Killarney. When, if ever, would we fill it? As it stands, Fitzerald stadium is amongst the finest in Ireland.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Oct 11, 2007 14:57:22 GMT
We'll never fill it unless the GAA start decentralising.....
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Post by animal on Oct 11, 2007 15:12:56 GMT
Yeah I'm all for a bit of development down the dressing room end. It's fairly dismal behind both goals in fairness. Not sure we need 55,000 though. Must be money that needs to be spent.
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Post by redzone on Oct 11, 2007 15:44:15 GMT
First post: How can a 55,000 stadium in Kerry be justified? Redevelopment of dressing rooms yes, but I can think of numerous clubs that are more than worthy of the monies allocated to Fitz Stadium. The capacity as it stands is ample. We rarely fill it anyway. As with Austin Stack Park? We have a great chance to build a comfortable new stadium for the Kerry public. One stand covered? Have I missed something or have we been cut adrift and are floating slowly towards the Azores?
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Post by buck02 on Oct 11, 2007 16:15:39 GMT
We have a great chance to build a comfortable new stadium for the Kerry public. One stand covered? Have I missed something or have we been cut adrift and are floating slowly towards the Azores? For your average national league game in Austin Stack Park at the moment, the stand is full with maybe 100-200 in the terrace. Whats the point in having two stands in the new stadium when you only have between 4 and 6 thousand turning up to National League games anyway?
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Post by homerj on Oct 11, 2007 17:27:16 GMT
fitzgerald stadium badly needs this make over. the facilities are very poor and behind both goals in a in a bad state. I assume, that its going to have the same set up as pairc ui chaoimh, as in the bowl effect with an open terrace taking up 3/4 of the ground (the extra capacity comes in with cork have the whole oppoisite sideline uncovered seated), joining on to both ends of the stands.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2007 18:49:51 GMT
55000 - crazy. It will damage the atmosphere as the stadium won't be much more than half full for a Munster final
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 11, 2007 18:56:38 GMT
you cant argue with the overall package
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Post by redzone on Oct 11, 2007 19:45:32 GMT
We have a great chance to build a comfortable new stadium for the Kerry public. One stand covered? Have I missed something or have we been cut adrift and are floating slowly towards the Azores? For your average national league game in Austin Stack Park at the moment, the stand is full with maybe 100-200 in the terrace. Whats the point in having two stands in the new stadium when you only have between 4 and 6 thousand turning up to National League games anyway? By that rationale, why have one stand covered at all? Why build a stadium with a 15,000 capacity? It's called comfort, something we should by now be able to offer. We're a cash-rich association. Croke Park is an example of comfort. Give me one other example of a GAA county ground coming close to it? Salthill, maybe. Omagh? GAA fans deserve a quality county stadium. Failing that at least one stadium in each province should be brought up to acceptable standards. Most of our stadia are Ceaucesceau-esque monstrosities. Concrete jungles.
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Post by buck02 on Oct 12, 2007 8:02:28 GMT
Many people prefer to stand at a game - FACT. The fact that pricing differs from the stand to the terrace is also a factor - do you want everyone who cant afford to pay the extra €5 or €8 a head to gain entry to the stand to be stuck behind the goals.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 12, 2007 8:30:42 GMT
Theres no law against having a terrace roofed either,it leans itself to towards more comfortable viewing on a february night under lights in a national league game when the rain comes sqawling down driven by a gale blowing in over the kerries off tralee bay.
i thought they would have looked for a fully covered ground seeing as they moved in the first place.
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Post by Walter Mitty on Oct 12, 2007 11:07:41 GMT
55000 - crazy. It will damage the atmosphere as the stadium won't be much more than half full for a Munster final Absolute madness....surely the money could be better spent on funding for kids at ground level....ie money for all bord na nog clubs to buy gear and equipment .... from my experiance, most clubs underage have to scrap by on the bare minimum.. instead Kerry Gaa get a windfall from Stacks park and decide to blow it unnessary expenditure.... reminds me of a story I once read
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Post by Johnnyb on Oct 12, 2007 14:52:52 GMT
They should model the stadium on Croke Park, we'd never lose. Have our very own hill, we could call it Hill 35. (and change the digit every year).
Agree it should be small, create a Thomond park vibe. Make it a cauldron. Should also install a Trophy Room, with a replica sam for everyone we won and make visiting teams tour it, make sure they know there place. And Ours.
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Post by quadachuki on Oct 12, 2007 18:55:22 GMT
We have a great chance to build a comfortable new stadium for the Kerry public. One stand covered? Have I missed something or have we been cut adrift and are floating slowly towards the Azores? For your average national league game in Austin Stack Park at the moment, the stand is full with maybe 100-200 in the terrace. Whats the point in having two stands in the new stadium when you only have between 4 and 6 thousand turning up to National League games anyway? A major reason why only 4-6 thousand turn up to National League games is that in general GAA facilities are not adequate during the wet/cold Spring months. Supply proper facilities such as overhead shelter for a start and the crowds will no doubt increase. You may see then see that more families may be inclined to come along to League games - an inclusion which is the cornerstone of the GAA philosophy. This must be the future for the GAA and I see this plan as lacking foresight by the county board. They must start thinking with a business brain - at least some of the time. Would the money spent on increasing the capacity of Fitzgerald stadium (daft idea IMO) not be better spent on providing better facilities at the new Austin Stack Park? Can we have the vision to set an example for other counties in this area? Remember that stadium comfort is more and more important in increasing attendance across other team sports and Gaelic games is no different. Not all fans are diehards and there are many that will attend matches for reasons that are not directly associated with the match quality or outcome. If indirect services (pub/grub...) and comfort is provided for these people they are more likely to attend a GAA game than spend ot at the dog track or watching a premier league game in a pub. The GAA like every sport is in a competitive market.I can assure everyone now that if the new stadium is not at a suitable standard of comfort it will be regarded as a mistake in the future. Lets be brave and take a lead on this one. I for one would like to see an even smaller stadium stadium (lets say 10,000) but with high class facilities, like a mini Croke Park and subsequently better and broader marketing of the league at headquarters. P.S Why are all county boards so mad to increase stadium attendance to crazy levels and then supply a wall to p**s against. This will not do for the "theatre going" GAA supporter for much longer in the 21st century
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 12, 2007 21:26:42 GMT
i have to say i'm in total agreement with the above post from quadachuki.Are we building a tidy compact stadium for the 21 st centuary or a throw back to the last centuary in the form of a modern relic to celebrate the past.Six thousand covered, i persume plastic bucket seats,on one side with three uncovered terraces sides is o so 1900's.If we can produce artists on the field of play like micko connell,maurice fitz,john egan,mikey sheehy and colm cooper whom all play with splendid imagination surely we can build a new stadium with splendid imagination to celebrate their brillance and hearld in the new modern ireland of the 21 st centuary.
souless bowl as mentioned earlier has its merits,it looks modern, is modern and can be a hell of a lot more than just football pitch.Why not make it a self financing centre of exellence,why not utilise it to self finance the kerry teams.Create a premier section,food,players lounge for members to mingle with the players after a game.Put a retractable roof on souless bowl and create the only other viable centre in the south west to host major trade events similar to those held in the RDS,such as the national craft fair,buying foreign property,the national catering event etc,etc,etc.what a fanstastic indoor arena it would be to host bernard dunne fighting for the world title or michael flately performing river dance infront of 1500 thousand partons or maybe westlife in concert for that mater.What a magnicant dome it would be for the televised rose of tralee and the rose ball.Imagine the ice rink it could be in the build up to christmas with santa in one corner and young lovers skating happily ringing in the new year with eyes only for each other.The skys the limit.
kerry is the centre of tourist ireland,most go to killarney and a lot go onto dingle,they have to pass through tralee on the way.Why not create a museme and an interperative centre, similar to the one back in west kerry to promote the blasket islands,based on the history,heritage and traditions of kerry players past and present,show videos,present pictures,tell the story of kerry football,create a tourist attraction,invite jj barrett to bring his fathers collection of medals home to tralee for display in the museme in new souless bowl,feed the tourist in the new catering facilities,charge them a fee to visit the story of kerry football.
imagine looking out the half door in south kerry on a brutally harsh februarys evening at 6pm,its dark outside,its cold,theres a driving rain lashing down off the mountains and a ferocious driving cutting wind bellowing in of the cold unfriendly atlantic.A squal of wind merrilessly drives a pool of smoke back down the chimley and you wonder,jaysas 45 miles to tralee to watch kerry play offally in the national league,standing out in the uncovered terrace and the wind driving the rain in across the kerries off dingle bay and it cutting the balls off ya as your plastic clothing starts to leak like seive.45 miles back in wet cloths and your fingers frozen together with the cold.You look back in across the room,the red hot peat chuckling merrily in the open heart,herself seating in her rocker,well dear,"what are you going to do"as she gently pours a nice cool baileys into her glass.You glance over towards the drinks cabinate,a full selection of nice chilled tins of guinness and an opened bottle of hennesy,"pull up your rocker you clown,and throw a few sods on the fire its on rte 2" she taunts half sneeringly.
But then you remember,ah sure didnt the kerry county board have the fore sight to build new modern ultra comfortable souless bowl with the retractable roof,3 and half sides seated with a half a side terraced for the die hards,they even put in water spinklers and wind effects to simulate the out door effect for the die hards.The pogs and the saw doctors are playing before the match and at half time,so come on marge we will go and get a bit of grub as well before the game and head into the players lounge to meet the gooch,kieran and killian after the game in the green and gold club.
a new modern stadium for the new centuary represent many options and possibilties,it could be a cash cow to drive on a brillant school of exellence in those fanstastic new proposed training pitches and help finance the training of the teams.Corperate ireland is huge now,people like to be entertained in comfort and will pay for it in great facilities.
there are people out there who would buy a package for premier seats in the new stadium to cover all club an county games with drink and food facilities and members access to the green and gold players lounge,add in the added carrott of the right to buy a good quality all-ireland final ticket when kerry contest a final and you have a very attractive product to sell,in my opinion the kerry senior football team brand name is a very valuable product to own.
if theres people out there who'd like to fund the kerry teams explore it to the fullest and look into the possibilities of creating a marketable events centre also within the new stadium as a means of generating a cash flow for the running of the kerry teams.
souless bowl on 35th avenue sounds fine to me lads,a 15000 all seater retractable roof based on a scaled down version of the stadium of light in sunderland could present many possibilities.
there goes the alarm clock,end of the nice dream.
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Post by A.N. Other on Oct 12, 2007 21:50:24 GMT
Will the Kerry games be played here now??Due to the Kerry county board not owning Fitzgerald stadium and a state of the art stadium being built!!
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Post by austinstacksabu on Oct 12, 2007 21:56:10 GMT
Send that into the county board, Kerry Man, Kerrys Eye, Irish Times etc.
You're making a pile of sense.
And Stu, we'll play them in Fitzgerald Stadium, like we always have. We just pay the rent, like we always have.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 13, 2007 9:14:50 GMT
Kerrygold........ I pour her another baileys meself!
Seriously........ you could be talking 20m euro for what you are proposing. Maybe 30m euro.
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Post by quadachuki on Oct 13, 2007 12:50:23 GMT
Thank you Kerrygold. Much more elegant than I could ever put it.
Mickmack. Moneywise you may not be far off the mark but how much is the proposed stadium costing? With a proper business plan, inventive thinking, long-term planning and balls of steel the addition that Kerrygold proposes is entirely possible.
This will anyway be the model sooner rather than later. And it will be so because County Boards will begin to realise how to properly generate money from the game. The GAA with all its great attributes is still a sporting business and will follow the same path as all the rest (except for player professionalism hopefully).
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Post by Walter Mitty on Oct 13, 2007 13:14:09 GMT
The INEC already has the facilities for trade shows
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Post by buck02 on Oct 15, 2007 9:41:29 GMT
Jesus Kerrygold - the corporate Kerry fan. Now I know a lot of corporate tyoe show up to an all ireland final but we're talking a toally different kettle of fish.
Picture the scenario, Kerry v Offaly, national league first round, Febraury 2nd 2010. Instead of parking the car and having the time for a quick scoop and bag of cheese and onion, hundreds of guys from Ballinskelligs to Scartaglin show up 2 hours early and sit down to a 5 course meal while watching Kerry this fine fare from behind a glass screen. I can just imagine the waiter coming around asking us to taste the wine as the Gooch steps up to take a 21 yard free.
The county board is getting a new stadium with better facilities than Austin Stack Park (which is no kip lets be honest when you compare it with other county grounds - Ennis springs to mind) and all the new training facilities out in Currans.
I dont want a ground full of people who only want to for a meal and a few drinks, a nite out basically and have no interest in whats happening out in the grass. If they want that they can head down to the greyhound stadium.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 15, 2007 9:57:54 GMT
Roy Keanes description of Man Uniteds prawn sandwich fans sprung to mind when I was reading Bucks post........
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 15, 2007 10:15:51 GMT
there nothing wrong with a corporate element for those who want it,the vast majority can still decide its not for them if they dont want it.
it costs the kerry county board almost 1 million to run their teams,a tiny coperate section in the new stadium would comfortably raise that money.Sean walsh sent a message to the croker last year looking for more funding,why not raise it ourselves?.
if the new stadium was run as a business venture in conjuction with as a gaa pitch a lot of extra funds could be raised and be pumped back into the grass roots at club level in kerry and into training underage teams.I dont see what would be wrong with that,is it not forward planning for long term gain?.
as regards the costs of building the new stadium,whats dear today is cheap tomorrow,a long term loan/view would pay for itself and a lot more over a period of time.
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Post by buck02 on Oct 15, 2007 10:58:21 GMT
Hands up. Who's going to fork out a few grand a year to have a corporate box in the new stadium where you can wine and dine your friends or customers while you watch Kerry v Offaly in the National League or St Kierans v Shannon Rangers in the county championship.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 15, 2007 11:05:55 GMT
The premier seats in croke park dont even cost 2 grand a year!
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Post by osama on Oct 15, 2007 12:50:37 GMT
Why would you go into a corporate box with almost sound-proof glass when the ref cant hear your opinion?
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