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Post by southward on Sept 24, 2015 20:47:38 GMT
Wasting time is part of the game and I would not blame cluxton. It is for the referee to deal with. Donaghy push was self defeating as it just caused cluxton to slow down even more. Or rather, it gave Cluxton the excuse to slow down even more. I agree with you. Problem was, the referee wasn't dealing with it and Cluxton was tearing the arse out of it.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 24, 2015 20:54:39 GMT
Has anyone put the clock on the amount of time wasted by Cluxton last Sunday? It has been suggested as long as 10 minutes in total. Strange Coldrick didn't call him to task about the slow start from one or two of the kick-outs. I remember a hop ball against Kealy in a Munster final for something similar. I timed a few, ranged from 50 seconds to 1 min 20 secs For the frees?
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 24, 2015 20:56:16 GMT
Wasting time is part of the game and I would not blame cluxton. It is for the referee to deal with. Donaghy push was self defeating as it just caused cluxton to slow down even more. Or rather, it gave Cluxton the excuse to slow down even more. I agree with you. Problem was, the referee wasn't dealing with it and Cluxton was tearing the arse out of it. Because he is living and working in Dublin and didn't have the balls?
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Post by fg on Sept 24, 2015 21:41:18 GMT
I don't think we can defend some of Galvin's earlier incidents sorry. The ref's notebook and the fishhook were beyond the Pale. However Galvin served his time and that is a difference. You are one of the fairest posters on this site, a far cry from me but I don't think anyone on here have defended paul Galvins past demeanours but one cannot and I repeat cannot liken Pauls indiscretions to that absolute thug that is McMahon, I mean biting and eye gouging, I mean really, let's call it what it is.
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Post by Clogher on Sept 24, 2015 21:52:22 GMT
Just maybe ..http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/philly-mcmahon-to-learn-fate-after-kieran-donaghy-incident-1.2365540#.VgRu0Yg6eiE.twitter
But I wouldn't hold my breath
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Post by stevieq on Sept 24, 2015 22:02:12 GMT
I have Philly McMahon, Connolly and Cluxton eye gouging, head bopping, punching and kicking the sh1t out of my peace of mind. I will have to find try and find my happy place!!!
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 24, 2015 22:11:03 GMT
Anyone can quote incidents of "whataboutery" to muddy the waters like Skybluezone is now doing but there are levels of depravity and McMahon plumbs the depths because he specialises is "doing" opponents who happen to be open and defenceless like Colm lying on the ground, the Cork lad getting bitten when his back is turned and Donaghy when his hands are clutching the ball.
McMahon is not much of a man it seems to me at any rate. Real hard men don't do things like that. He seemsed a flawed human being to me.
The other shocking incidents that spring to mind in 2015 also involved Dubs for different reasons. One was Johnny Coopers "Roy Keane like" stamp on the Mayo player when was kicking the ball. The other was the attempted elbow to Diarmaid Connolly by the Cork lad during the league. Connolly saw the elbow at the last minute and if it had connected it would have caused a broken jaw and probably a TMJ injury for the rest of his life. I said at the time that the GAA should go after the Cork player. They didn't. What signal did that send out.
Its ironical that "feigning injury" by Shields as well as the feigning by the Tyrone lad with the hair oil were regarded as more heinous than incidents that could cause serious injury.
McMahon seems very proud of himself. What next... a book like Tadhg Kennelly brought out justifying his assault on Murphy in 2009. Kennelly plumbed the depths with that assault and subsequent actions and McMahon is in the same category now.
Darragh is out of order suggesting that Connolly be provoked in the same way Counihan deserved criticism for his only discernible tactic for 5 years ...setting that clown Noelie on Galvin to try to get him to react and get sent off.
I really despair for GAA at inter county level.
Not to mention TSG who tailor their criticism and indignation to suit the circumstances and who on occasion actually make fun of assaults like with Colm in the 2005 final. And then we have Dessie and the hilarious tale of the 1975 captain who ended up in hospital and never played for his county again. So there!
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Post by ddtinexile on Sept 24, 2015 22:12:42 GMT
In Tuesday's examiner Sylvester Hennessy wrote the following at the end of his match stats.
"Many people were interested in the amount of time it took Stephen Cluxton to kick five frees in the game. The Dublin captain took five minutes and 19 seconds to hit his placed balls . When you consider that it normally takes an average of 20 seconds to take a free , the game Is losing nearly four minutes of play due to Cluxtons interventions. But few in Kerry will use this as an excuse as Dublin were clearly the better side on the day and thoroughly deserving All-Ireland champions".
Similarly in Wednesday's Examiner in an interview with Seamus McEnaney , Eoghan Cormican wrote. McEneaney extremely critical of the amount of time afforded to Cluxton in Sunday's decider against Kerry. McEnaney proposes a 20 second countdown clock from when the free is awarded to discourage the practise of goalkeepers kicking frees at the opposite end of the field from which they are stationed. If a forward wasted the amount of time standing over a free that Dublin wasted on Sunday in calling up Stepen Cluxton to hit a number of frees, the ref would give a hop ball he argued . We should have had several hop balls on Sunday such was the length of time it took to give the instruction to Cluxton for him to come up the field, ready himself and kick the free. It just isn't on he said. Goalkeepers should be given no special leniency and a 20 second limit would make it impossible for goalkeepers to come forward and hit frees.
Good point there by Seamus McEnaney. However Cluxton is doing that for years and nothing has changed and I wouldn't hold my breath that it will because simply it's The Dubs who are it.r
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Post by ddtinexile on Sept 24, 2015 22:55:50 GMT
I did a small bit of analysis . Paul Flynn kicked a point on 60 minutes 10 seconds. The Ref blew for full time on 74 minutes 33 seconds. In those 14 minutes and 23 secs there was 4 minutes and 40 seconds of football, the ball been contested by the players.
So that leaves a MASSIVE 9 minutes 43 seconds when the ball was out of play.......NINE MINUTES FORTY THREE SECONDS nothing happening
FOUR MINUTES AND FORTY SECONDS OF PLAY IN THE LAST QUARTER OF AN HOUR.
On 61 mins 16 secs Brian Sheehan kicked wide, ref books McMahon after the umpires drew his attention.. Cluxton kicks out the ball on 62mins 20 secs.......no play for 1 min 4secs On 64 mins 11 secs McCauley wins 45 of B Sheehan On65 mins 2 secs club kicks the 45 wide.....no play for 51 secs.
On 69 mins15 secs D Walsh was fouled injured...... Donaghy Carroll booked while Donnacha is been attended to. On 71 mins 20 secs Brian kicks the point.........no play for 2 mins 5 secs
On 72 mins 4 secs Shane Enright is adjudged to have fouled B Brogan On 73 mins 26 secs Connolly eventually kicks the free wide....... No play for 1min 22 secs secs.
Of the 4 minutes of extra time the ball was out of play for 3 minutes and 49 secs..
The man from Blanchardstown did a great job.
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Post by gamechanger10 on Sept 24, 2015 23:04:38 GMT
I agree Donaghy is a whinger on the pitch and tries to influence refs and sledges - this has nothing to do with the specifics of this incident.
With respect Fitzwop Donaghy is not a sledger, he plays the game hard as he is without exception badgered as soon as the game begins or when he comes on, as he has stated himself if he is playing against a guy who wants to play the game he will play the game but if he plays against a guy who starts to bend his ear he will engage him and isn't afraid to do so. Sledging is where the likes of the Tyrone back line take the time to learn of tragedy or misfortune that have visited their opposing player and in an amplified manner remind them of the incident or it's perceived impact on their lives. Telling a guy that he is in your pocket is one thing but sledging brings something different to the game and I don't think you have marked Donaghy anytime recently to state he is a sledger in such a blase manner is a little disrespectful in my opinion. I am an Austin Stacks supporter but I don't think I am being unfair when I say that he should have started the game, he brings an edge and an unpredictability to a full back line that no other player can bring and he has an abrasive edge that lays down a marker that he is in charge. Moran looked to be unsettled by the unexpected captaincy and we looked flat in many critical positions on the field. Say what you will bout Donaghy but he will give his all on that field for his county and I believe if he had even been brought on after have time we might just have been awakened and done the business. Walsh should have been thrown in at 50 mins to introduce a little more honesty in the Dublin half backs and we would have profited from the presence of our snipers in my opinion. I really expected Eamon to do this as he is a master at introducing the curve ball, very disappointed with the way they were so flat ,,
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Post by fg on Sept 24, 2015 23:29:35 GMT
Some good whinging going on here. Poor ol Kerry done out of their 38th all Ireland by them dirty cheating dubs. Mcmahon s disciplinary record is decent enough but somehow he has become the villain of the gaa world for what is unproven antics. Neither o Shea or donaghy had any marks on them for their alleged near death experiences. In fairness donaghy did nt whinge afterwards. Very little media coverage about o Carroll s 10 stitches off o Connor or o Connor nearly pole axing Cluxton in the replay. As for the Meath refs alleged bias c mon you can do better than that. You be happier with a cork ref then. Like it or not the perception is that Kerry will do anything to win an all Ireland and when that happens to you lot then you need to grow a pair and get over it. Felt sorry for a couple of Kerry kids soaked in the hill on Sunday not for the kids on this forum though. You really have to give it to the moderators here don't you and all in the interest of fairness when they allow a post from a gombeen like you to be featured so promptly whilst it takes others on probation to await sometimes days for their posts to be ratified and again I reiterate you are a gombeen.
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Post by fg on Sept 24, 2015 23:41:53 GMT
Take it easy there, you could poke someone in the eye there with your intelligent riposte.
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Post by fg on Sept 24, 2015 23:51:38 GMT
Good riddance, you will feel at home back on the reservoir of dubs site, cheerio.
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Post by stevieq on Sept 24, 2015 23:52:26 GMT
I thought I get some insight on this forum but it turns out it's like the Kildare fans forum , the ref *ed us over , dubs did this , stole our lollipop etc ah well good luck I won t darken this place again . Cheerio then. You will be sadly missed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 1:36:40 GMT
It seems the dubs line of defence currently is say phillys eye gouge is unproven. It is a pity they won't tell us what they think Philly was doing. It amazes me they don't have an opinion and that they keep referring to other incidents.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 25, 2015 4:51:37 GMT
Here's the match, perfect transmission, got it off the Dubs forum!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 25, 2015 6:17:46 GMT
I thought I get some insight on this forum but it turns out it's like the Kildare fans forum , the ref *ed us over , dubs did this , stole our lollipop etc ah well good luck I won t darken this place again . There might be a few posts like that but the vast majority are not.
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Post by fitz on Sept 25, 2015 7:08:14 GMT
I didn't think of this til now, but would it have been a good idea that Johnny Buck track Philly once he ventured beyond half way in first half. Cian O was going nowhere and Gooch could have stayed put and potentially asked more questions of him. Darran could have took on same role fresh in second half. Might have discouraged McMahon somewhat and saved Colm's powers for attacking. Especially with Johnny not going well ball in hand, work rate doesn't depend on form.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 25, 2015 7:40:18 GMT
I didn't think of this til now, but would it have been a good idea that Johnny Buck track Philly once he ventured beyond half way in first half. Cian O was going nowhere and Gooch could have stayed put and potentially asked more questions of him. Darran could have took on same role fresh in second half. Might have discouraged McMahon somewhat and saved Colm's powers for attacking. Especially with Johnny not going well ball in hand, work rate doesn't depend on form. Dublin totally nailed Kerry and the gooch on this one. It was clear that Cian O'Sullivan was nursing his way through the game, albeit brilliantly under the circumstances. Kerry never tested his hamstring, JB was probably perfect for him on the day and a very wet day at that. However a greater malaise was running through the team and sometimes, in real time, that can't be halted very easily. It takes something exceptional to happen to make a group snap out of it, maybe the awarding of scored penalty against the run of play to tie a game late in the day, the ref calling out a keeper for time delaying or what ever. Finals can turn on a sixpence. Luck plays a huge part in it.
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Post by buck02 on Sept 25, 2015 9:19:25 GMT
I think its important to separate the defeat to Dublin with the Philly McMahon incident. The eye gouge happened, it shouldn't but Philly has got away with nasty stuff a number times before so why are we surprised he felt he would get away with it again. That incident wasn't the reason we lost obviously so to put too much focus on it would make it seem like sour grapes. It should probably be discussed in the context of the overall need for the change in disciplinary structures, which is something to do over the winter perhaps.
I watched back the first half of the game yesterday. IMO Kerry had a chance to win the game in the 20 or so minutes from the 6th to the 25th minute. Had our accuracy been where it should have been, we could have been 4 points up with 10 minutes to go in the first half. Dublin lived off scraps in that time and then punished us when they got the opportunities. It was the winning and losing of the match.
It wont escape the attention of Fitzy that in his two finals we scored 9 points in each game. And kicked some horrendous wides. Something to work on in 2016 for sure.
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Post by Jigz84 on Sept 25, 2015 10:18:29 GMT
I think its important to separate the defeat to Dublin with the Philly McMahon incident. The eye gouge happened, it shouldn't but Philly has got away with nasty stuff a number times before so why are we surprised he felt he would get away with it again. That incident wasn't the reason we lost obviously so to put too much focus on it would make it seem like sour grapes. It should probably be discussed in the context of the overall need for the change in disciplinary structures, which is something to do over the winter perhaps. I watched back the first half of the game yesterday. IMO Kerry had a chance to win the game in the 20 or so minutes from the 6th to the 25th minute. Had our accuracy been where it should have been, we could have been 4 points up with 10 minutes to go in the first half. Dublin lived off scraps in that time and then punished us when they got the opportunities. It was the winning and losing of the match.It wont escape the attention of Fitzy that in his two finals we scored 9 points in each game. And kicked some horrendous wides. Something to work on in 2016 for sure. Totally agree. Kerry had Dubs rattled at that stage and forced them into turnovers. Unfortunately Dublin weren't punished. Some of the efforts for points were horrendous in fairness, no real excuse for it at this level.
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Post by Sons of Pitches on Sept 25, 2015 10:40:08 GMT
I think its important to separate the defeat to Dublin with the Philly McMahon incident. The eye gouge happened, it shouldn't but Philly has got away with nasty stuff a number times before so why are we surprised he felt he would get away with it again. That incident wasn't the reason we lost obviously so to put too much focus on it would make it seem like sour grapes. It should probably be discussed in the context of the overall need for the change in disciplinary structures, which is something to do over the winter perhaps. I watched back the first half of the game yesterday. IMO Kerry had a chance to win the game in the 20 or so minutes from the 6th to the 25th minute. Had our accuracy been where it should have been, we could have been 4 points up with 10 minutes to go in the first half. Dublin lived off scraps in that time and then punished us when they got the opportunities. It was the winning and losing of the match. It wont escape the attention of Fitzy that in his two finals we scored 9 points in each game. And kicked some horrendous wides. Something to work on in 2016 for sure. Good blog post here about the missed opportunities link
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Post by bedlamite on Sept 25, 2015 10:44:05 GMT
Skybluezone, I have to take issue with your position in relation to Philly McMahon. Debating the deliberate gouging by Philly McMahon of Kieran Donaghy and resorting to 'whataboutery' shows complete disregard for what we all know is right and wrong. McMahon should be done for this very dangerous and unsporting behaviour, even if the referee did not spot it. ( it was impossible for the referee or umpires to spot it and McMahon knew this and this is why he did it. He has a warped sense of how to behave, as he seems to think its OK, as he tried to justify himself to Colm Cooper after the final whistle). The GAA should point what is expected of players and punish him and anybody else who behaves unsportingly and dangerously accordingly. The GAA need to put in a system where players can be brought to book after the game, such as the Rugby crowd do when 'citing' players after games. Costa from Chelsea was also punished retrospectively after his unsporting and provocative behavior over the weekend. And for the record, Kieran Donaghy or anyone else who sledges should be done, Tiernan McCann or Aidan O Mahony who feign injury should be done, time wasters like Cluxton and Barry John Keane should be done( by the referee when its in front of his nose. and anybody who abuses a referee like Paul Galvin did should be done. But the whole thing is a farce when nearly everything is appealled to the CCCCCCCCCCC and DRA etc and they are all left off on a technicality as if it were a murder trial. There are bringing the law into a place where it has no place. If you wanted the law in, Pillar Caffrey could have arrested Philly Larkin on Sunday , and Donaghy would have a good case to prove assault against McMahon. Look the bottomline is, Football needs to be governed properly to keep it sporting and safe. The GAA need to focus on this.[/b]
Agree that if Philly McMahon is proven guilty by due process he should be done, no issue with that, in fact I'll think you'll find my earlier post states this. What I was pointing out was that everyone in Kerry has found him guilty of gouging already. And seemingly Donegalman and Dermot too. So your all now experts on eye gouging, what it looks like, what the resultant damage is or isn't, would wearing gloves make it better or worse, all sorts. Grand, but let McMahon be subject to the same due procedure as everyone else, even if we all know it's not fit for purpose. I was being deliberately argumentative in pointing out Paul Galvin's track record, especially the fish hooking episode. I deliberately picked this incident as it is the closest incident that I could think of in relation to the one last Sunday. Post the fish hook incident, people here were at pains to point out issues like the fact that he was provoked, like they weren't sure it was an actual fish hook (it was hard to tell from the footage apparently:-), and basically fellas went out of their way to muddy the waters in favour of Galvin, naturally enough. Seemingly a fish hook is only in the hapenny place compared to a possible eye gouge! To me they are both deplorable. But the point is Galvin was accorded due procedure, and I cannot even remember if anything came of it. Mike Quirke seems to know for definite that it was an eye gouge, and he wasted no time in telling everyone that it was the nastiest think he'd ever seen on a pitch, fair enough. But Quirke nor anyone else writing columns is part of the GAA disciplinary process. So by all means McMahon has a case to answer, but let him answer it before hanging him. Your last point in relation to governance, do you think having high profile columnists in the media pointing out ways to get players sent off is ok, and sends the right message? Is it ok to have analysts basically saying the best way to beat Dublin is to feign injury. In the next breath they are bemoaning the diving and messing going on in games. In the rush to condemn Philly, Connolly also got a mention on here as a thuggish type, but it's open season on him anyway. Posters are aggrieved apparently that Dublin worked the system to ensure his availability for the semi replay. Jesus one lad earlier wanted him banned for the final as well! It's not too long ago that Darragh O'Se got sent off in a club game in Kerry which would have ruled him out of a pending inter county championship game. Kerry GAA weren't behind the door in figuring out ways to ensure Darragh's availability. And I seriously doubt if this site was alive and well at the time that you would have all been killed protesting that this wasnt within the spirit of the game. The disciplinary system is a mess, a total mess. I know for certain that Dublin knew they would lose the first two appeals, but they had to go through them anyway in relation to Connolly, to get themselves in front of the DRA. That tells you everything. So to summarise, a fish hook is not as serious as an eye gouge, and McMahon definitely did it cos he's a tramp anyway, so is Connolly. It's terrible to manipulate the laws and spirit of the GAA, but when Kerry do it we'll all look away. Donaghy is a hero cos he pushes and trips lads who are not taking free kicks quickly enough for his liking. The whole disciplinary procedure is fooked but when the high profile analysts are telling us how best to stop Dublin it boils down to annoying Connolly enough so that he gets himself sent off, and also feign injury just after the first goal they score, cos they are lethal at racking up a big score at that stage. Oh I forgot the bit about kicking the ball off the tee just before Cluxton takes his kickouts (See BJ Keane and Kevin McLoughlin), jaysus and theres me thinking you wanted to hurry him up! Skybluezone, you are mischievously trying to distract from the issue. McMahon of course deserves due process, and he will get it, nobody said otherwise, but this is not a murder trial. We all know it was a deliberate act to injure a player in the eye, call it what you want. You like to compare and define fish hooking and eye gouging, all irrelevent to what anyone that can see on the television what McMahon did to Donaghy. You also invoke, to call into question our motives when calling for McMahon to be brought to book, what other posters may have said in defense of Paul Galvin, when he stuck his finger in Cadogans mouth, but you can't accuse me of that. Similarly Barry John Keanes kicking the ball away. I thought that was a very unsporting thing to do, and while the ref may have given him a yellow card, in truth he should have got a red. Then you draw into the argument analysts that say to have a go at Connolly, and others that say to feign injury after a goal is scored, going on to imply this justifys McMahon and any of the Dubs to be equally unsporting. Totally irrelevent in dealing with the McMahon Donaghy incident.Its the GAA as I said have to write the rules and need to enforce them. Not the media or the fans or the players. They, like you and I, have only their opinions, which they are entitled to. You seem to be saying that because its all bad, and theirs a lot of bad going on out there, and a lot of people are hyprocrites, and there is a lot of unsporting behaviour from lots of teams, we should not or are not in a position to decide for ourselves, what we see with our own eyes, as very unsporting and dangerous play. It is not right for us express an opinion that we want the GAA to deal with it properly. Philly McMahon will get away with this behaviour in a club game, as there will be no cameras, but if you have the evidence, the GAA must bring unsporting and dangerous play to book. Otherwise football is the poorer for it. On another matter, the last 10mins of most big matches can often descend into a farce, with timewasting by a plethora of means spoiling the spectacle. Its getting virtually impossible to ref. If the GAA could get this process of where again this unsporting behaviour is brought to book retrospectivelly, by producing relevent video evidence, this would help to stamp out this poor behaviour for the betterment of the game at the highest level. Anyway, to finish up Skybluezone, I don't know if you still play or not, but hopefully Philly McMahon will keep his fingers out of your eyes. Our eyes are important when we want to see right from wrong. Blurred vision is not a nice experience. Enjoy the win, it was deserved. The McMahon incident is a sideshow, however if you like football to be played well, you need to address it.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 25, 2015 10:51:25 GMT
I think its important to separate the defeat to Dublin with the Philly McMahon incident. The eye gouge happened, it shouldn't but Philly has got away with nasty stuff a number times before so why are we surprised he felt he would get away with it again. That incident wasn't the reason we lost obviously so to put too much focus on it would make it seem like sour grapes. It should probably be discussed in the context of the overall need for the change in disciplinary structures, which is something to do over the winter perhaps. I watched back the first half of the game yesterday. IMO Kerry had a chance to win the game in the 20 or so minutes from the 6th to the 25th minute. Had our accuracy been where it should have been, we could have been 4 points up with 10 minutes to go in the first half. Dublin lived off scraps in that time and then punished us when they got the opportunities. It was the winning and losing of the match. It wont escape the attention of Fitzy that in his two finals we scored 9 points in each game. And kicked some horrendous wides. Something to work on in 2016 for sure. Goldrick calling Cluxton to task on the two very delayed kickouts would have been explosive in the context and timing of the game. A hop ball resulting in a Kerry score would have been huge. Without accusations of sour grapes, we're entitled to ask if a Meath ref living and working in Dublin was best placed to make those calls. Something Croke Park should consider for future finals involving Dublin. Likewise the second half penalty call and the ball that was hopped for the foul on KD in the second half. As Carney queried, why was the ball hopped, it is either a free out or a free in. If I remember correctly the incident was inside the large square.
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Post by skybluezone on Sept 25, 2015 14:07:48 GMT
I think its important to separate the defeat to Dublin with the Philly McMahon incident. The eye gouge happened, it shouldn't but Philly has got away with nasty stuff a number times before so why are we surprised he felt he would get away with it again. That incident wasn't the reason we lost obviously so to put too much focus on it would make it seem like sour grapes. It should probably be discussed in the context of the overall need for the change in disciplinary structures, which is something to do over the winter perhaps. I watched back the first half of the game yesterday. IMO Kerry had a chance to win the game in the 20 or so minutes from the 6th to the 25th minute. Had our accuracy been where it should have been, we could have been 4 points up with 10 minutes to go in the first half. Dublin lived off scraps in that time and then punished us when they got the opportunities. It was the winning and losing of the match.It wont escape the attention of Fitzy that in his two finals we scored 9 points in each game. And kicked some horrendous wides. Something to work on in 2016 for sure. Goldrick calling Cluxton to task on the two very delayed kickouts would have been explosive in the context and timing of the game. A hop ball resulting in a Kerry score would have been huge. Without accusations of sour grapes, we're entitled to ask if a Meath ref living and working in Dublin was best placed to make those calls. Something Croke Park should consider for future finals involving Dublin. Likewise the second half penalty call and the ball that was hopped for the foul on KD in the second half. As Carney queried, why was the ball hopped, it is either a free out or a free in. If I remember correctly the incident was inside the large square. Sounds like your talking yourself into thinking that Kerry should have won. They shouldn't. The best team won, and won well. The rest is only window dressing.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Sept 25, 2015 14:57:08 GMT
Goldrick calling Cluxton to task on the two very delayed kickouts would have been explosive in the context and timing of the game. A hop ball resulting in a Kerry score would have been huge. Without accusations of sour grapes, we're entitled to ask if a Meath ref living and working in Dublin was best placed to make those calls. Something Croke Park should consider for future finals involving Dublin. Likewise the second half penalty call and the ball that was hopped for the foul on KD in the second half. As Carney queried, why was the ball hopped, it is either a free out or a free in. If I remember correctly the incident was inside the large square. Sounds like your talking yourself into thinking that Kerry should have won. They shouldn't. The best team won, and won well. The rest is only window dressing. Dublin were easily 7 or 8 points the better team.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 25, 2015 15:27:04 GMT
Goldrick calling Cluxton to task on the two very delayed kickouts would have been explosive in the context and timing of the game. A hop ball resulting in a Kerry score would have been huge. Without accusations of sour grapes, we're entitled to ask if a Meath ref living and working in Dublin was best placed to make those calls. Something Croke Park should consider for future finals involving Dublin. Likewise the second half penalty call and the ball that was hopped for the foul on KD in the second half. As Carney queried, why was the ball hopped, it is either a free out or a free in. If I remember correctly the incident was inside the large square. Sounds like your talking yourself into thinking that Kerry should have won. They shouldn't. The best team won, and won well. The rest is only window dressing. Your words, not mine.
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Post by Control3 on Sept 25, 2015 15:27:10 GMT
Some good whinging going on here. Poor ol Kerry done out of their 38th all Ireland by them dirty cheating dubs. Mcmahon s disciplinary record is decent enough but somehow he has become the villain of the gaa world for what is unproven antics. Neither o Shea or donaghy had any marks on them for their alleged near death experiences. In fairness donaghy did nt whinge afterwards. Very little media coverage about o Carroll s 10 stitches off o Connor or o Connor nearly pole axing Cluxton in the replay. As for the Meath refs alleged bias c mon you can do better than that. You be happier with a cork ref then. Like it or not the perception is that Kerry will do anything to win an all Ireland and when that happens to you lot then you need to grow a pair and get over it. Felt sorry for a couple of Kerry kids soaked in the hill on Sunday not for the kids on this forum though. You really have to give it to the moderators here don't you and all in the interest of fairness when they allow a post from a gombeen like you to be featured so promptly whilst it takes others on probation to await sometimes days for their posts to be ratified and again I reiterate you are a gombeen. As I have said before If you have a problem with a post, then use the report button. I don't know who approved that lads posts. Personally speaking i don't have time to trawl through every post and assume you all are grown up enough to carry out a debate, and you will report any nonsense on here. Wouldn't even have seen your man ger71 posts if it wasn't for someone reporting it. A. I'll only be dipping in and out of here anyway for the foreseeable.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 25, 2015 16:50:15 GMT
I think its important to separate the defeat to Dublin with the Philly McMahon incident. The eye gouge happened, it shouldn't but Philly has got away with nasty stuff a number times before so why are we surprised he felt he would get away with it again. That incident wasn't the reason we lost obviously so to put too much focus on it would make it seem like sour grapes. It should probably be discussed in the context of the overall need for the change in disciplinary structures, which is something to do over the winter perhaps. I watched back the first half of the game yesterday. IMO Kerry had a chance to win the game in the 20 or so minutes from the 6th to the 25th minute. Had our accuracy been where it should have been, we could have been 4 points up with 10 minutes to go in the first half. Dublin lived off scraps in that time and then punished us when they got the opportunities. It was the winning and losing of the match. It wont escape the attention of Fitzy that in his two finals we scored 9 points in each game. And kicked some horrendous wides. Something to work on in 2016 for sure. Goldrick calling Cluxton to task on the two very delayed kickouts would have been explosive in the context and timing of the game. A hop ball resulting in a Kerry score would have been huge. Without accusations of sour grapes, we're entitled to ask if a Meath ref living and working in Dublin was best placed to make those calls. Something Croke Park should consider for future finals involving Dublin. Likewise the second half penalty call and the ball that was hopped for the foul on KD in the second half. As Carney queried, why was the ball hopped, it is either a free out or a free in. If I remember correctly the incident was inside the large square. Pathetic KG. Absolutely pathetic. You can bet the Kerry players are holed up somewhere tonight, thinking how can I improve...not this absolute nonsense.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 25, 2015 18:21:43 GMT
Goldrick calling Cluxton to task on the two very delayed kickouts would have been explosive in the context and timing of the game. A hop ball resulting in a Kerry score would have been huge. Without accusations of sour grapes, we're entitled to ask if a Meath ref living and working in Dublin was best placed to make those calls. Something Croke Park should consider for future finals involving Dublin. Likewise the second half penalty call and the ball that was hopped for the foul on KD in the second half. As Carney queried, why was the ball hopped, it is either a free out or a free in. If I remember correctly the incident was inside the large square. Pathetic KG. Absolutely pathetic. You can bet the Kerry players are holed up somewhere tonight, thinking how can I improve...not this absolute nonsense. Another attack from Crean, surprise surprise. Shur go away and hole up with them like a good man
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