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Post by Mickmack on Jun 1, 2007 14:20:47 GMT
I flicked on Radio one at about 9.30 this morning to hear Liam Griffin talking about the key to winning at sport.
He said that are four requirements for any team to win as follows;
Physical Fitness
Technical Ability
Mental Toughness
Tactical Awareness
He was questioned about mental toughness. He gave the example of George o Connor milking cows on a saturday and playing in front of 70000 people on a sunday. He said that he would prepare mentally by envisaging every situation possible on the pitch while milking the cows. He didnt say whether the cows survived the experience or not.
As regards tactical awareness he cited the French try in Lansdowne Road in the last minute. Ireland should have been prepared tactically for the restart.
I thought back to the Seamus Darbys goal in 1982 as an example where Kerry conceded the initiative when they retreated to defend their lead.
Anyway, twas powerful stuff ..........
Do Kerry have all four in 2007?
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Post by Owenabue on Jun 1, 2007 14:40:37 GMT
It is hard to win two in a row in football, so you'd wonder would they be able for it mentally and physically. Although, this is Kerry you are talking about....
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 1, 2007 16:04:26 GMT
The tactical awareness one is unproven so far
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Post by Owenabue on Jun 1, 2007 16:08:18 GMT
Mickmack, players or management?
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 1, 2007 16:54:18 GMT
management
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 1, 2007 20:47:53 GMT
eamonn fitzmaurice would proberly agree with you mickmack.
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Post by dingle11811 on Jun 1, 2007 20:54:28 GMT
I was talking to Eamonn this morning and he said he might come out of retirement
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Post by Piggy on Jun 1, 2007 22:04:02 GMT
he'd still be a major player in the panel if he does decide to come back
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Post by JOAN on Jun 2, 2007 3:04:40 GMT
Eamon would have to have his spot in writting before he will be back....
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 2, 2007 9:05:53 GMT
The tactical awareness one is unproven so far I am not being critical of the management...... its just that they wont be judged till the season is over. its not just man management, its down to shrewd switches and substitutions etc. For example, Dublin have paid the price for some daft calls from the sideline in recent years. Jack o Connor was very canny in that regard. I wouldnt be critical of the management over Fitzmaurice. New blood is crucial to avoid everyone growing old together as happened with the golden years era. Fitzmaurice left in a dignified manner and that was his call................though I feel its one that he may regret. Stephen Stack rang Paidi in the spring of 1997 and said that he was retiring as he couldnt get a slot on the team. Paidi talked him out of it. In Sept Stephen played in the final when Kerry beat Mayo. Lets not start crititizing the management when the campaign hasnt even started. The management set up is unproven, thats all .......just like the Cork and Galway hurling managements. |
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 2, 2007 10:05:37 GMT
eamonn fitz is in his prime,i dont share your view on his departure or his treatment over the last three 3 years,it an incrediable slide from favour since his performance v mayo and mcdonald in '04.
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Post by kerry07 on Jun 2, 2007 22:22:58 GMT
I agre with Kerrygold. I hope 11811 is right but I have my doubts
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Post by JOAN on Jun 3, 2007 4:03:54 GMT
I doubt he will return I am not happy about it. I have been a big supported of his for years. He did what he needed to do and from What I know he really just wants to play club and chill he will not go to be messed. Will he be missed oh ya. All talking about Mike McCarty and Seamus and they loss they are well for me Fitz was the the glue.. I hope i am wrong and will return
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 4, 2007 23:33:11 GMT
It is hard to win two in a row in football, so you'd wonder would they be able for it mentally and physically. Although, this is Kerry you are talking about....  |
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Post by Piggy on Jun 5, 2007 13:52:34 GMT
Tis hard not to be cocky rashers
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Post by Owenabue on Jun 5, 2007 13:57:13 GMT
What are you confused about rashers?
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 5, 2007 19:14:16 GMT
What are you confused about rashers? I think you'll find that's called nausea Abue. Or dizziness. It seems the rarefied atmosphere of being amongst the legendary home of Gah Football is getting to me. How does it affect Cork people? Looks like you've become acclimatised  |
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Post by Owenabue on Jun 5, 2007 22:01:04 GMT
Yerra, there isn't much difference between a Cork hurling supporter and a Kerry football supporter so I'm well used to it. Maybe I should befriend a Kerry hurling supporter and we could swap notes?!
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 8, 2007 0:10:42 GMT
Yerra, there isn't much difference between a Cork hurling supporter and a Kerry football supporter so I'm well used to it. Maybe I should befriend a Kerry hurling supporter and we could swap notes?! Should be plenty of time for that carry on at a Kerry hurling match  |
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 13, 2007 9:18:41 GMT
I flicked on Radio one at about 9.30 this morning to hear Liam Griffin talking about the key to winning at sport. He said that are four requirements for any team to win as follows; Physical Fitness Technical Ability Mental Toughness Tactical Awareness He was questioned about mental toughness. He gave the example of George o Connor milking cows on a saturday and playing in front of 70000 people on a sunday. He said that he would prepare mentally by envisaging every situation possible on the pitch while milking the cows. He didnt say whether the cows survived the experience or not. As regards tactical awareness he cited the French try in Lansdowne Road in the last minute. Ireland should have been prepared tactically for the restart. I thought back to the Seamus Darbys goal in 1982 as an example where Kerry conceded the initiative when they retreated to defend their lead. Anyway, twas powerful stuff .......... Do Kerry have all four in 2007? it looks like Kerry had all four tenets in 2007. Tactical awareness was the one that needed to be proven in 2007 and Pat and the other selectors demonstrated that in spades. In my view anyway, Dublin fell down in this department...... as did Cork in the final. |
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Post by Walter Mitty on Oct 13, 2007 13:14:43 GMT
I believe there is also one more tenet....luck!
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Post by black on Oct 13, 2007 15:38:56 GMT
Agree with with u there walter_mitty!
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 13, 2007 21:25:38 GMT
do ye think that luck played a bigger part than usual in kerrys win this year or are ye just making a general point
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Post by Walter Mitty on Oct 14, 2007 0:36:11 GMT
do ye think that luck played a bigger part than usual in kerrys win this year or are ye just making a general point Just a general point about sport..... Was it Gary Player (Not sure was it him or Lee Trevino) said "the more I practice, the better i Get, the luckier I get". While this holds true there is surely some element of luck ..ie spin on the ball, slip by a defender, gust of breeze that makes an impact on all games...football, soccer, golf Just a few instances...Mayo Meath in 2006..in the drawn final the ball bounced on a part of the pitch that due to some work done on the pitch a few months earlier it left a bump (or something along those lines!) that caused the ball from Colm Coyle to shoot over the bar when it bounced.... Hale irwin 1991 ryder cup: His hooked drive miraculously bouncing back into the middle of the fairway "accidently" off the foot of an american spectator against Langer in the deciding match! there are hundreds upon thousands of little "slices of luck" that in my view play a huge instance on the outcomes of major championships.... However, Gary Player certainly has a point! |
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 14, 2007 11:39:14 GMT
you make your own luck by working hard at your own game and by striving for sporting exellence matched by your ruthless all comsuming obsession to be the best combined with your total mental strenght and toughness.
bad luck is just a by product of mental weakness,that ball in the '96 final should never have been given the the chance to bounce,just like a shank in golf comes from not being in the zone at the time.
good luck in sport comes about when an athlete or team are totally focused,driven,in the zone,mentally tough and obsessed with winning.eg,everytime tiger woods has gone into the last day of a major in the last pair leading.He has never lost from such a position.
to blame bad luck in defeat is just a cop out for not being fully prepared to win.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 14, 2007 12:02:16 GMT
in the last 5 minutes of the 1982 final......... were the two soft 14 yard frees awarded to Offaly plus the push in the back by Darby not "bad luck" on Kerry
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 14, 2007 18:33:59 GMT
in the last 5 minutes of the 1982 final......... were the two soft 14 yard frees awarded to Offaly plus the push in the back by Darby not "bad luck" on Kerry No,not bad luck,but they were disgraceful referring decisions,you'd wonder about motive with that,were they any different to the decision at the very end of the game near the end line in last years minor final that lead to roscommons levelling score. nial francis made an interesting point last night on setanta after the england france game,a south african ref gave england a penalty in a scoreable position in the last 10 minutes to put england 11 9 up,the experts cant see where the penalty came from,who would south africa rather play in the final,an ageing england team playing a consevative defensive game or possibly a rampant french team in paris looking to win the world cup in front of their own fans.you can draw your own conclusions about referees.You sometimes just wonder. as regard kerry with bad luck in '82,kerry were 5 or 6 points up mid way through the second half in a position to close out the game,instead of driving on, their game started to become defensive,they started to sit back,jacko started to play on the half back line more and more. the begining of the end started when mikey sheehy missed the penalty at this stage, saved by the iconic talisman veteran goal keeper from the '70s martin furlong. Instead of being ruthless with the kick mickey tried to place it,there were people calling for jacko to drive it from the dug out with venhem. the pressure began to build on kerry,history beconed,5 in a row awaited.Offaly on the other hand had little to lose,an all-ireland final lose to the greatest team in the history of game on their way to 5 in a row,no big shame,they remained calm and unruffeld and chipped away point by point,aided be disgracefull refereeing decisions in front of the kerry goal.Offaly were so calm and focused even the great micheal o heir said,"the way offaly were dilly and dallying around,youd swear they were winning",mean while the pressure was building on kerry,they tightened,became more defensive,the hand of history was tighten around their throats,squeezing,they could taste the five in a row,it was within their grasp,but instead of playing out the game calmly freely and controlled they tried to force the issue. the high dropping ball should have been savagely devoured by the kerry defence,a kerry team playing in the zone,calm and collected would have handled that high ball and cleared the lines.When the goal went in kerry still had a chance to level the game,there were still a few minutes left,it wasnt scored at the death,but kerry couldnt find the equaliser.Tom spillane,young and raw,took off on a solo into towards the corner but didnt see the bomber sreaming for the ball in front off the goal with out stretch hands like a man stranded on a desert island as he watched a ship sail by.In that instant the goose came to the boil that has being simmering since mickey missed the penaly. '82,bad luck no,a perfect example of a team with everything to lose,history and the five in a row,playing a team with less to lose whom were more focused calm and more controlled.It proved that those great kerry players were human after all,they could see the finish line from mid way out in the second half but the closer it came the more narrow the gap became.I'm fully convienced that the hand of history rose up from the croker sod and tripped them that day. maybe you could also say that the hand of history rose up from the croker sod and tripped ireland v france in the rugby also as history beconed,game won,time almost up,first rugby game in croker won,switch off,triple crown and grand slam to follow,nice build up to world cup,was that the start of the rot for ireland,england are in the world cup final,ireland have beaten them every year since in the world cup final four years ago. you make your own luck by being in the zone,offally were, kerry were proberly sitting on the edge of it. bad luck or just unfortunate,dennihan broke his leg,spillane tore his cruciate,oige was move from the forty,i fully believe everything happens in life for a reason,somethings are meant to be others are not,you can control luck by being in the zone but you have no control over fate. even with the kerry players missing if kerry had being in the zone,controlled,diciplined and focused they would have won,offaly were. |
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 14, 2007 21:27:46 GMT
ok .....
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Post by austinstacksabu on Oct 15, 2007 13:57:47 GMT
Sometimes luck isn't about how you have prepared, or the oppositions weakness on the final lap / day etc.
I'll give one example to prove the point: The 1956 Aintree Grand National. Devon Loch, owned by The Queen Mother and with jockey Dick Francis on board (for those of you who don't know who he is, he went on to write 40 odd crime thrillers set in the equine world - some great reads in there), was a fair few lenghts clear coming up the slight hill to the finish line. But the horse was spooked, and attempted to jump a fence that wasn't there, due to two factors - a wet patch of ground which was next to an existing fence on the other side of the railings. He landed flat on all fours and no matter what Dick did, the horse couldn't recover and was beaten just shy of the post.
Now, Dick was in the best condition of his life and immediately afterwards spoke of how focussed the horse was and how he knew there was plenty in the tank to get him to the finish line with enough to spare.
But, it wasn't to be. There was nothing neither the trainer, the jockey or the horse could have done to prepare or overcome that.
The horse wasn't favourite but having run well at Cheltenham was considered a top horse, and went on to win afterwards in confident style, so it wasn't the mentality of the horse that led to it either.
It was luck - pure and simple. A wet patch next to an existing fence.
Sport involves hundreds of thousands of cases of plane, daft luck every year. I could give you plenty more.
But sometimes, no matter how prepared you are, how focussed you are, no matter what the circumstances or the opposition, something absolutely random happens that you cannot affect or change in any way.
It has even happened to the greatest.
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