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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 16:23:40 GMT
Crokes have the best forwards in Kerry when they perform .They only played in phases against Legion and that won't do against Stacks but if they get it together they should beat them handy enough .
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 28, 2015 17:28:16 GMT
Crokes have the best forwards in Kerry when they perform .They only played in phases against Legion and that won't do against Stacks but if they get it together they should beat them handy enough . Still not an attack that is going to win an All-Ireland club championship though, in my opinion. Eoin Brosnan at midfield at this stage of his career and Ambrose to no 10 is hardly going to strengthen the team? It will be interesting to see how Alan O'Sullivan gets on at number 6. On the back of his underage intercounty career with Kerry he should have been given a run in the NFL, and possibly at wing back. Five straight seasons at midfield from minor through to u21 merited a start in the NFL at the very least.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 28, 2015 17:38:26 GMT
Crokes have a solid panel this year add to that the Mike Burns Fionn Fitzgerald and Andrew Kennelly were missing the last day . 1 Alan Kelly 2 John Payne 3 Mike Moloney 4 Luke Quinn 5 David O'Leary 6 Alan O'Sullivan 7 Aaron Murphy 8 Eoin Brosnan 9 John Buckley 10 Ambrose O'Donovan 11 Daithi Casey 12 Brian Looney 13 Colm Cooper 14 Chris Brady 15 Kieran O'Leary . Bench Johnny O'Leary (Sub Keeper) Jamie Doolan , Jordan Kiely , Mike Milner , Shane Doolan , Gavin O'Shea , Tony Brosnan , Cillian Fitzgerald , Jason Lyne , and young Cillian O'Regan (from last years minor team) . Didn't see Shane Myers there either don't know what the deal is with him . Too many of the Crokes forwards are too small. Apart from Colm, who else can win independent high ball. I don't think that a full strength Stacks need fear them. Put it this way..... try picking a starting 15 from Crokes and Stacks...
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 29, 2015 8:19:52 GMT
Would this residual greatness in the Crokes panel not have been measured last year with an outright county championship win in the absence of the Gooch? Similar to what Kerry did in 2014?
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Post by buck02 on Apr 29, 2015 9:17:19 GMT
Would this residual greatness in the Crokes panel not have been measured last year with an outright county championship win in the absence of the Gooch? Similar to what Kerry did in 2014? A simplistic view IMO. Had Kerry been going for 5 in a row last year and played for 11 months of the year for previous 4 seasons then maybe you might have a point.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2015 10:17:22 GMT
You can't win it every year and I didn't know there was so many Stacks supporters on here wow coming out of the cracks . We will see if yere beloved Stacks can repeat this year then if they are that good . Im sure Crokes don't fear them either .
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 29, 2015 11:53:12 GMT
Would this residual greatness in the Crokes panel not have been measured last year with an outright county championship win in the absence of the Gooch? Similar to what Kerry did in 2014? A simplistic view IMO. Had Kerry been going for 5 in a row last year and played for 11 months of the year for previous 4 seasons then maybe you might have a point. Possibly, but the question is relevant as to how good are this collection of Crokes players without the influence of the Gooch on the field. Can we really claim the club season is a 11 month season as it shuts down for the summer months and early in the new year.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2015 14:18:09 GMT
Yeah we can . Crokes have been the most consistent club in Kerry for the last 5 or 6 years . They are better than the Crokes team of '92 and they won a club .Much more consistent than Stacks .The East Kerry Championship is the toughest championship to win and they consistently do well in it .This team is not done yet so we'll see what the future brings .Legion caught them last year . They didnt play well on the day and even with Gooch nobody knows if they would have won. Stacks would not have won last year without Donaghy either .
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 29, 2015 15:12:17 GMT
Crokes have a solid panel this year add to that the Mike Burns Fionn Fitzgerald and Andrew Kennelly were missing the last day . 1 Alan Kelly 2 John Payne 3 Mike Moloney 4 Luke Quinn 5 David O'Leary 6 Alan O'Sullivan 7 Aaron Murphy 8 Eoin Brosnan 9 John Buckley 10 Ambrose O'Donovan 11 Daithi Casey 12 Brian Looney 13 Colm Cooper 14 Chris Brady 15 Kieran O'Leary . Bench Johnny O'Leary (Sub Keeper) Jamie Doolan , Jordan Kiely , Mike Milner , Shane Doolan , Gavin O'Shea , Tony Brosnan , Cillian Fitzgerald , Jason Lyne , and young Cillian O'Regan (from last years minor team) . Didn't see Shane Myers there either don't know what the deal is with him . My comments about the Crokes lack of height in the forwards was in relation to winning the All Ireland. Would the lads in bold below get on the Crokes team? I think they possibly would. D O’Brien; R Shanahan, F MacNamara, C Jordan; P McCarthy, B Shanahan, D McElligott; W Guthrie, G Horan; S O’Callaghan, S Carroll, D Bohan; D Mannix, K Donaghy, M Collins. Subs: F Mangan for M Collins (HT), J Dennis for R Shanahan (33), Darragh Long for S Carroll (53), Ciarán O’Connell for D Bohan (56), William Kirby for G Horan (59), G Horan for D McElligott (67), M Collins for D Mannix (70), D Bohan for F MacNamara (74), M Collins (Black Card, 75
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Post by hugh20 on May 4, 2015 21:34:06 GMT
In relation to the Stacks and Crokes debate, I think people on this forum are naive if they believe that Stacks can beat Crokes if both sides have full strength teams. On numerous times over the past 5 years they have failed against Crokes in County Championship. Have Stacks improved recently? Yes most certainly, but have they improved so much to overturn a 16 point deficit in the Co final of two years ago? Most certainly not IMO.
Shane O' Callaghan and Donaghy are the only two players who could pose a threat for Crokes. On this point, Crokes have proven that they are well capable of nullifying these two.
Dara O Brien(GK), Fergal McNamara, Bohan, Greg Horan, Donaghy and Shane O Callaghan would be starters for Crokes. Both Shanahans and Pa Mac would also be very close. On the flip side of things I believe that up to 8 of the Dr Crokes bench would be good enough to start for Stacks.
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Post by Mickmack on May 4, 2015 22:09:04 GMT
so up to 8 subs from crokes are better than what Stacks have apart from the Dara O Brien(GK), Fergal McNamara, Bohan, Greg Horan, Donaghy and Shane O Callaghan
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Post by hugh20 on May 4, 2015 22:23:46 GMT
Yes I believe that individually Jordan Kiely, Micheal Burns, Jamie Doolan, Tony Brosnan, Gavin O' Shea, Buddy O' Leary, Shane Doolan and Mike Milner would all start for Stacks, I really do. Obviously, if all players were to play for Stacks then some would obviously not start but individually I think they are all good enough to start. And it wouldn't be outrageous to say that Shane Myers, Andrew Kenneally and Kieran Ward would not be too far away either.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on May 5, 2015 12:12:51 GMT
I would have to agree that a full Crokes team hitting even 80% form would be about 8 points ahead of Stacks- pains me to say it but they are a decent bit ahead of the competition
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Post by Mickmack on May 9, 2015 22:02:31 GMT
In relation to the Stacks and Crokes debate, I think people on this forum are naive if they believe that Stacks can beat Crokes if both sides have full strength teams. On numerous times over the past 5 years they have failed against Crokes in County Championship. Have Stacks improved recently? Yes most certainly, but have they improved so much to overturn a 16 point deficit in the Co final of two years ago? Most certainly not IMO. Shane O' Callaghan and Donaghy are the only two players who could pose a threat for Crokes. On this point, Crokes have proven that they are well capable of nullifying these two. Dara O Brien(GK), Fergal McNamara, Bohan, Greg Horan, Donaghy and Shane O Callaghan would be starters for Crokes. Both Shanahans and Pa Mac would also be very close. On the flip side of things I believe that up to 8 of the Dr Crokes bench would be good enough to start for Stacks. so up to 8 subs from crokes are better than what Stacks have apart from the Dara O Brien(GK), Fergal McNamara, Bohan, Greg Horan, Donaghy and Shane O Callaghan Yes I believe that individually Jordan Kiely, Micheal Burns, Jamie Doolan, Tony Brosnan, Gavin O' Shea, Buddy O' Leary, Shane Doolan and Mike Milner would all start for Stacks, I really do. Obviously, if all players were to play for Stacks then some would obviously not start but individually I think they are all good enough to start. And it wouldn't be outrageous to say that Shane Myers, Andrew Kenneally and Kieran Ward would not be too far away either. Do you still believe this Hugh given tonight result?
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Post by kerrygold on May 9, 2015 22:43:29 GMT
The best time to kick a cat in the hole is when he has his tail in the air.
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Post by Deise Exile on May 10, 2015 21:05:39 GMT
Stacks no1 in Kerry right now
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Post by kerrygold on May 10, 2015 22:08:53 GMT
Stacks no1 in Kerry right now Undisputed double champions and number one team in Kerry at the moment.
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Post by Premier on May 10, 2015 22:28:36 GMT
Stacks no1 in Kerry right now Undisputed double champions and number one team in Kerry at the moment. Bookies would still say Crokes, they're not often too far wrong
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Post by Mickmack on May 11, 2015 7:11:29 GMT
Monday, May 11, 2015
Mortimer Murphy
Austin Stacks 2-9 Dr Crokes 0-13: Goals win matches, they say, and this was well and truly borne out at Connolly Park yesterday evening where Austin Stacks overcame Dr Crokes in the Credit Union Senior Football League Division 1 Final (2014) after a game that went to extra-time.
Stacks struck early, in fact from the throw-in; a long ball from Conor Jordan was flicked to the net by Kieran Donaghy past the advancing Alan Kelly.
Thereafter, the Kerry “Star” was double marked by Mike Moloney and the outstanding Eoin Brosnan. Stacks were playing with the fresh wind, but Dr Crokes fought back to be level by the 16th minute following points from Daithí Casey (free), Jordan Kiely, Colm Cooper (two frees) to one in reply from Shane Carroll.
David Mannix pointed Stacks in front once more and then Donaghy was brought down in the square but Shane O’Callaghan’s penalty was well saved by Alan Kelly as Stacks led by 1-3 to 0-4 at the break.
With the wind to their backs, Dr Crokes had four points in quick succession on the restart from Colm Cooper (two frees), Kieran O’Leary and Daithí Casey (free), to go two clear and Stacks looked in trouble.
Stacks had a number of let-offs, especially when Jordan Kiely put Kieran O’Leary through and his shot came off the butt of the post to safety. Shane O’Callaghan pointed a free in response but when Cooper pointed a free at the three-quarter stage, Crokes were three clear.
Shane Carroll pointed a free and then had a fine score from distance before the same player fired over the equaliser from the right wing. Johnny Buckley, who was black-carded on the call of time for a foul on Donaghy, and Shane Carroll both had chances to win it for their respective sides but it finished 0-10 to 1-7 and so to extra time.
The score that decided the final came when a long ball from Conor Jordan, was allowed slip through a Crokes’ defender’s hands and Shane Guthrie finished to the net. Colm Cooper top scored with 0-8 (all frees).
Meanwhile, the biggest shock of the day was Glenbeigh/Glencar’s win over Kerins O’Rahilly’s by 2-12 to 2-9, thanks to a last-minute goal from Gavin O’Grady. It was the Mid Kerry side’s first win and though both sides were missing their Kerry players, Kerry junior star O’Grady scored all but 0-2 of his side’s total, while Jack Savage along with goalscorers Con Barrett and Kieran O’Mahony were best for O’Rahilly’s.
Dingle had a welcome home win over Legion, winning 2-11 to 2-6. Barry O’Sullivan had an early goal for Dingle, while Brian O’Connell got the second.
Legion had goals from Derek Twomey and Billy McGuire but they also missed a penalty. Both sides were without their county stars.
Milltown/Castlemaine had a crucial 1-11 to 1-9 win over struggling St Michaels/Foilmore and Waterville defeated Finuge 1-7 to 1-5. Kilcummin fought back to draw 0-9 apiece with Desmonds with Damien O’Leary inspirational for Kilcummin.
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Post by kerrygold on May 11, 2015 8:51:13 GMT
Undisputed double champions and number one team in Kerry at the moment. Bookies would still say Crokes, they're not often too far wrong Maybe so, but there will not be a lot between the teams if they meet in this year's championship. Stacks are County champions, League champions and Munster champions for 2014. That is pretty conclusive in determining the current pecking order in Kerry at the moment.
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Post by hugh20 on May 15, 2015 23:38:41 GMT
In relation to the Stacks and Crokes debate, I think people on this forum are naive if they believe that Stacks can beat Crokes if both sides have full strength teams. On numerous times over the past 5 years they have failed against Crokes in County Championship. Have Stacks improved recently? Yes most certainly, but have they improved so much to overturn a 16 point deficit in the Co final of two years ago? Most certainly not IMO. Shane O' Callaghan and Donaghy are the only two players who could pose a threat for Crokes. On this point, Crokes have proven that they are well capable of nullifying these two. Dara O Brien(GK), Fergal McNamara, Bohan, Greg Horan, Donaghy and Shane O Callaghan would be starters for Crokes. Both Shanahans and Pa Mac would also be very close. On the flip side of things I believe that up to 8 of the Dr Crokes bench would be good enough to start for Stacks. so up to 8 subs from crokes are better than what Stacks have apart from the Dara O Brien(GK), Fergal McNamara, Bohan, Greg Horan, Donaghy and Shane O Callaghan Yes I believe that individually Jordan Kiely, Micheal Burns, Jamie Doolan, Tony Brosnan, Gavin O' Shea, Buddy O' Leary, Shane Doolan and Mike Milner would all start for Stacks, I really do. Obviously, if all players were to play for Stacks then some would obviously not start but individually I think they are all good enough to start. And it wouldn't be outrageous to say that Shane Myers, Andrew Kenneally and Kieran Ward would not be too far away either. Do you still believe this Hugh given tonight result? Sorry, missed this post. Yes, of course I still believe it and I will believe it until Stacks turn Crokes over when both sides are full strength. On what basis do people think Crokes and Stacks are the same level or Stacks ahead of Crokes? On a County league final when both sides are missing key players?? Until Stacks come out and beat Crokes in Co. championship then I firmly believe Crokes are the stronger team and results over the last 5-6 years in County Championship between the sides show the facts. Just to clarify aswell, I think Stacks are a very good side don't get me wrong I just believe Crokes are a better team and with a full compliment of players I think there would be 7 or 8 points plus in it. Remember the last time these sides played in championship was 2013 County final where Crokes ran out 16 point winners. What has changed? Stacks have no additions, perhaps Greg Horan has improved but I can't see much of a change otherwise.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on May 16, 2015 13:08:35 GMT
Predictions for tomorrow? Will Crokes and Stacks have full teams? If so then they should win
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Post by Mickmack on May 16, 2015 18:36:36 GMT
Do you still believe this Hugh given tonight result? Sorry, missed this post. Yes, of course I still believe it and I will believe it until Stacks turn Crokes over when both sides are full strength. On what basis do people think Crokes and Stacks are the same level or Stacks ahead of Crokes? On a County league final when both sides are missing key players?? Until Stacks come out and beat Crokes in Co. championship then I firmly believe Crokes are the stronger team and results over the last 5-6 years in County Championship between the sides show the facts. Just to clarify aswell, I think Stacks are a very good side don't get me wrong I just believe Crokes are a better team and with a full compliment of players I think there would be 7 or 8 points plus in it. Remember the last time these sides played in championship was 2013 County final where Crokes ran out 16 point winners. What has changed? Stacks have no additions, perhaps Greg Horan has improved but I can't see much of a change otherwise. The gap of 16 points has definitely closed but Crokes better panel will probably tip the scales as they say. My instinct about Crokes going all the way to win an All Ireland is that they will struggle without more ball winners in the forward line. Men who can fetch over the head of a 6 foot in the fullback line. If I were a Crokes mentor I would try Alan O'Sullivan in that target man role with a view to going all the way to Croker.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on May 16, 2015 18:50:21 GMT
Sorry, missed this post. Yes, of course I still believe it and I will believe it until Stacks turn Crokes over when both sides are full strength. On what basis do people think Crokes and Stacks are the same level or Stacks ahead of Crokes? On a County league final when both sides are missing key players?? Until Stacks come out and beat Crokes in Co. championship then I firmly believe Crokes are the stronger team and results over the last 5-6 years in County Championship between the sides show the facts. Just to clarify aswell, I think Stacks are a very good side don't get me wrong I just believe Crokes are a better team and with a full compliment of players I think there would be 7 or 8 points plus in it. Remember the last time these sides played in championship was 2013 County final where Crokes ran out 16 point winners. What has changed? Stacks have no additions, perhaps Greg Horan has improved but I can't see much of a change otherwise. The gap of 16 points has definitely closed but Crokes better panel will probably tip the scales as they say. My instinct about Crokes going all the way to win an All Ireland is that they will struggle without more ball winners in the forward line. Men who can fetch over the head of a 6 foot in the fullback line. If I were a Crokes mentor I would try Alan O'Sullivan in that target man role with a view to going all the way to Croker. Alan O Sullivan isnt that tall- is he over 6 foot??
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Post by Mickmack on May 16, 2015 18:59:00 GMT
He was Kerrys U21 midfielder with David Moran in 2008 if I recall correctly and he was an accomplished fielder of a high one.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on May 16, 2015 19:01:54 GMT
He was Kerrys U21 midfielder with David Moran in 2008 if I recall correctly and he was an accomplished fielder of a high one. At minor level- I;m not sure would he be much a threat at full forward though, especially at senior county championship level. I'll go further and say actually I dont think he would be of much use in there- he isnt slight of hand enough, doesnt turn quickly enough and hasnt got enough vision.
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Post by hugh20 on May 16, 2015 22:14:44 GMT
He was Kerrys U21 midfielder with David Moran in 2008 if I recall correctly and he was an accomplished fielder of a high one. At minor level- I;m not sure would he be much a threat at full forward though, especially at senior county championship level. I'll go further and say actually I dont think he would be of much use in there- he isnt slight of hand enough, doesnt turn quickly enough and hasnt got enough vision. I would agree about Alan o Sullivan, IMO his best position is half forward....he's a good kicker, can adapt as a third midfielder and also has the grafting element to his game which is almost a necessity in the modern day half forward. I think the reason that Crokes have not won an all Ireland is because in 2012 and 2013 they came up against teams who were just better than us in Crossmaglen and Ballymun respectively, albeit not by a lot. In 2014, on the day Castlebar were certainly a better team but I genuineky do believe that Crokes are a better team than Castlebar and Goochs injury that day was a key factor, many of the lads seemed to drop their heads.....their leader was gone and players failed to stand up. Is there an AI in Crokes? Possibly but probably not......we are just missing something that I can't quite put my hand on but definitely missing something. On the games the weekend I would assume that Crokes are full strength with the exception of Micheal Burns who may be out for a couple of months and I am unsure about Ambroses availability. Fionn trained during the week for Kerry so he will return along with Alan O Sullivan. Chris Brady was missing against Stacks and he will be available again, as will Jamie and Shane Doolan. George o keeffe did not play for Rathmore in their last game, if he is out it will be a big loss for Rathmore.....a very underrated player. Other than that Rathmore seemed to have a full selection outside of the kerry lads.....I expect Crokes to win by 6 or 7. I think Dingle could give Stacks a right rattle if they have no injuries. Stacks are down bodies and this is where they might be vulnerable. Horan, Bohane, Guthrie and Pa Mac are big losses and if Dingles Young guns can prosper this will be a difficult game for Stacks.......I'm going to stick my head out and go for Dingle in a very close game.
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Post by Deise Exile on May 17, 2015 9:32:48 GMT
Rumours that JOD got injured in training last night? That wud be a massive blow for the summer. He was sensational last year
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Post by seamo on May 17, 2015 9:36:13 GMT
Do you still believe this Hugh given tonight result? Sorry, missed this post. Yes, of course I still believe it and I will believe it until Stacks turn Crokes over when both sides are full strength. On what basis do people think Crokes and Stacks are the same level or Stacks ahead of Crokes? On a County league final when both sides are missing key players?? Until Stacks come out and beat Crokes in Co. championship then I firmly believe Crokes are the stronger team and results over the last 5-6 years in County Championship between the sides show the facts. Just to clarify aswell, I think Stacks are a very good side don't get me wrong I just believe Crokes are a better team and with a full compliment of players I think there would be 7 or 8 points plus in it. Remember the last time these sides played in championship was 2013 County final where Crokes ran out 16 point winners. What has changed? Stacks have no additions, perhaps Greg Horan has improved but I can't see much of a change otherwise. Damn. I guess Dublin were the best team in Ireland last year so, because they weren't at full strength. They were missing Ciaran Kilkenny! If Colm has a cold in the county final and is a shadow of himself while Stacks win, will Crokes still be better? Just give Stacks their dues, they've done enough to be called the best AT THE MOMENT. If we were talking past 5 years, there is no debate.
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Post by kerrygold on May 17, 2015 9:50:38 GMT
At minor level- I;m not sure would he be much a threat at full forward though, especially at senior county championship level. I'll go further and say actually I dont think he would be of much use in there- he isnt slight of hand enough, doesnt turn quickly enough and hasnt got enough vision. I would agree about Alan o Sullivan, IMO his best position is half forward....he's a good kicker, can adapt as a third midfielder and also has the grafting element to his game which is almost a necessity in the modern day half forward. I think the reason that Crokes have not won an all Ireland is because in 2012 and 2013 they came up against teams who were just better than us in Crossmaglen and Ballymun respectively, albeit not by a lot. In 2014, on the day Castlebar were certainly a better team but I genuineky do believe that Crokes are a better team than Castlebar and Goochs injury that day was a key factor, many of the lads seemed to drop their heads.....their leader was gone and players failed to stand up. Is there an AI in Crokes? Possibly but probably not...... we are just missing something that I can't quite put my hand on but definitely missing something. On the games the weekend I would assume that Crokes are full strength with the exception of Micheal Burns who may be out for a couple of months and I am unsure about Ambroses availability. Fionn trained during the week for Kerry so he will return along with Alan O Sullivan. Chris Brady was missing against Stacks and he will be available again, as will Jamie and Shane Doolan. George o keeffe did not play for Rathmore in their last game, if he is out it will be a big loss for Rathmore.....a very underrated player. Other than that Rathmore seemed to have a full selection outside of the kerry lads.....I expect Crokes to win by 6 or 7. I think Dingle could give Stacks a right rattle if they have no injuries. Stacks are down bodies and this is where they might be vulnerable. Horan, Bohane, Guthrie and Pa Mac are big losses and if Dingles Young guns can prosper this will be a difficult game for Stacks.......I'm going to stick my head out and go for Dingle in a very close game. Croke's county players haven't been good enough on the big days outside of Munster and Crokes don't have enough hardcore quality club players to land the Andy Merrigan Cup.
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