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Post by onlykerry on Oct 27, 2015 16:46:19 GMT
Senior Football Final
Sun Nov 8 @ 3pm
Killarney Legion v South Kerry in Fitzgerald Stadium
Junior Football Final
Sun Nov 8 @ 1pm
Glenbeigh/G'car v Templenoe in Fitzgerald Stadium
Novice Football Final
Sat Nov 7 @ 3pm
Lispole v St Senans in Strand Rd
Minor Football Final
Sun Nov 1 @ 2.45pm - Extra Time
Mid Kerry v Dingle in Fitzgerald Stadium
Is Extra Time a "movable feast" - it is declared for some games but not for others. Personally I think all games should be played to a conclusion on the day.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 27, 2015 17:29:47 GMT
Cracking line up on the 8th in Killarney.
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Post by Premier on Oct 27, 2015 18:56:42 GMT
Killian Spillane nor Conor Keane will get any look until the u21s are over. He is a very talented footballer. I agree his uncle put a lot of pressure on him. We will see how he goes with the u21s next year. Shane Murphy(Kilcummin) Cathal Murphy(Rathmore) Jack Maguire(Listowel Emmets) David Culhane(Ballylongford) Gavin Crowley(Templenoe) Tadhg Morley(Templenoe) Podge O'Connor(Legion) Jack Sherwood(Firies) Tommy Walsh(Kerins O'Rahiily's) Shaun Keane(Legion) Gavin O’Grady(Glenbeigh /Glencar) Conor Cox(Listowel Emmets) Thomas Hickey(Castleisland Desmonds) will probably all get a look. For 2 teams to get to a county final, surely 1 or 2 of each team's players will get a look outside of the usual lads
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Post by frankgalvintralee on Nov 2, 2015 16:08:43 GMT
County Final will hopefully be a cracker Legion for me forwards will have too much power!
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Post by diego on Nov 2, 2015 20:32:12 GMT
Senior Football Championship Relegation Playoff Draw www.kerrygaa.ie/news/368159/Senior_Football_Championship_Relegation_Playoff_DrawThe Draw for the Senior Football Championship Relegation Playoff was made at tonight's meeting of the County Committee and resulted in the following pairings: Austin Stacks v Milltown St Michael's Foilmore v Kilcummin Kerins O'Rahillys v Laune Rangers Ardfert v Rathmore Games to be played on Saturday next at neutral venues. Fixtures to Follow.
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Post by 6 in a row on Nov 2, 2015 20:37:21 GMT
If Milltown and laune rangers lose their respective games does that mean they will be involved with mid kerry in 2016?
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 2, 2015 20:41:48 GMT
There'll probably be the celebration of the packed defence in these games!!!!!!!
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Post by diego on Nov 2, 2015 20:42:03 GMT
If Milltown and laune rangers lose their respective games does that mean they will be involved with mid kerry in 2016? Winners are safe. 4 losers not relegated yet. They get drawn in to a 2nd round where the 2 losers are relegated. 2 winners in that round playoff and loser of that game also relegated. M/C or Rangers would play with Mid Kerry then if they are 1 of the 3 relegated teams.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 2, 2015 20:55:44 GMT
Austin Stacks Milltown St Michael's Foilmore Kilcummin Kerins O'Rahillys Laune Rangers Ardfert Rathmore
And the logic and need for relegating some of these is again?
All seemed to acquit themselves well enough in the county championship and showed a bit of club spirit.
Can the same be said for all provincial sides?
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Post by diego on Nov 2, 2015 21:06:51 GMT
Agree with you Mick. No need to relegate any more than the usual 1 team in my view.
As far as I can see this idea was brought in as a reaction to one sided championships of a few years ago, which were down to an outstanding Dr Crokes team at the time more than anything else.
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Post by factman on Nov 2, 2015 21:16:15 GMT
i think clubs sides are showing a very weak streak and should stand up and say no no to this ,district boards as usual are whatever ,and are willing to play into 2016 to facilitate this after waiting all year to play and then decide to offer up at least 3 more weekends , stop now and finish our season and let the players enjoy a break
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 2, 2015 23:24:29 GMT
There should nearly be monitoring of divisional sides by county officials.
The divisional sides are there to serve the senior county side and if they are not being run properly then there is an issue.
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Post by kickitlong on Nov 3, 2015 10:51:23 GMT
Think the problem isn't the clubs but some of the divisional teams making very little effort , can't see this changing anything,legion would have been considered one of the weaker club's as little as 3 years ago and now they are in a county final and probably favourites to win it.not to sure any of the clubs that get relegated will be committed to their divisional sides and will be all out to win the intermediate. as their main goal.
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Post by Premier on Nov 3, 2015 16:36:44 GMT
Austin Stacks Milltown St Michael's Foilmore Kilcummin Kerins O'Rahillys Laune Rangers Ardfert Rathmore And the logic and need for relegating some of these is again? All seemed to acquit themselves well enough in the county championship and showed a bit of club spirit. Can the same be said for all provincial sides? In fairness, Bally/Filmore and ardfert were never going to threaten too many teams.. With regard to divisional teams not pulling their weight, perhaps the addition of some strong clubs to the division would result in them putting in more effort with a realistic view of winning the championship
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Post by classicfc on Nov 3, 2015 17:27:16 GMT
There was an overreaction to Crokes dominance and now we have the farcical situation where already jaded players have to fight tooth and nail to keep their club's in the Senior Championship. Most clubs prepare for championship in a far better manner than their divisional counterparts. It stands to reason that a player will be more committed to his club than a divisional side. Since the All Ireland's were introduced at Junior and Intermediate level players have become more committed to preparing with their clubs for these championships. The club's are being treated unfairly because in most cases their level of preparation is far higher than that of a divisional team. A few years ago Dingle and Legion would have been well down the pecking order in the Senior Championship rankings but due to hard work and an infusion of young talent are now dining at the top table. Dingle are Senior Club Champions and double Minor Championship winners and Legion are only 60 minutes away from winning a Senior County Championship. Austin Stacks who represented the county in an All Ireland semi-final earlier this year are now in the ludicrous position of fighting to retain their Senior status in the month of November. Crossmaglen have won 19 out of 20 Armagh championships and Portlaoise have just won in 9 in a row in Laois which begs the question was our Senior Championship really that bad?
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 3, 2015 17:54:35 GMT
There was an overreaction to Crokes dominance and now we have the farcical situation where already jaded players have to fight tooth and nail to keep their club's in the Senior Championship. Most clubs prepare for championship in a far better manner than their divisional counterparts. It stands to reason that a player will be more committed to his club than a divisional side. Since the All Ireland's were introduced at Junior and Intermediate level players have become more committed to preparing with their clubs for these championships. The club's are being treated unfairly because in most cases their level of preparation is far higher than that of a divisional team. A few years ago Dingle and Legion would have been well down the pecking order in the Senior Championship rankings but due to hard work and an infusion of young talent are now dining at the top table. Dingle are Senior Club Champions and double Minor Championship winners and Legion are only 60 minutes away from winning a Senior County Championship. Austin Stacks who represented the county in an All Ireland semi-final earlier this year are now in the ludicrous position of fighting to retain their Senior status in the month of November. Crossmaglen have won 19 out of 20 Armagh championships and Portlaoise have just won in 9 in a row in Laois which begs the question was our Senior Championship really that bad? There'll be serious unrest if Stacks or Rahillys were relegated and if one from Ardfert or B/Foilmore win at the weekend. Miltown/Castlemaine, Laune Rangers, Ardfert and B/Foilmore not winning at the weekend are not closed deals. There is bound to be a wild card fluttering around in there some where in dog eat dog scenarios!
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Post by Premier on Nov 3, 2015 18:07:56 GMT
There was an overreaction to Crokes dominance and now we have the farcical situation where already jaded players have to fight tooth and nail to keep their club's in the Senior Championship. Most clubs prepare for championship in a far better manner than their divisional counterparts. It stands to reason that a player will be more committed to his club than a divisional side. Since the All Ireland's were introduced at Junior and Intermediate level players have become more committed to preparing with their clubs for these championships. The club's are being treated unfairly because in most cases their level of preparation is far higher than that of a divisional team. A few years ago Dingle and Legion would have been well down the pecking order in the Senior Championship rankings but due to hard work and an infusion of young talent are now dining at the top table. Dingle are Senior Club Champions and double Minor Championship winners and Legion are only 60 minutes away from winning a Senior County Championship. Austin Stacks who represented the county in an All Ireland semi-final earlier this year are now in the ludicrous position of fighting to retain their Senior status in the month of November. Crossmaglen have won 19 out of 20 Armagh championships and Portlaoise have just won in 9 in a row in Laois which begs the question was our Senior Championship really that bad? It might seem harsh on Stacks and Rahillys being in this relegation play-off but if they are as good as we say they are they should be winning their games. They even have a second chance and even a 3rd chance of they win their losers round game
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Post by thatsyourjob on Nov 4, 2015 8:13:59 GMT
Totally agree that it is wrong to be relegating 3 teams. Favourites to win 1st round ties would be Stacks, Rahillys, Kilcummin & Ardfert. St. Michaels Foilmore have struggled recently but you wouldn't rule out them coming out on top against Kilcummin as they will battle hard in these conditions. Ardfert are also a good side but I just think Rathmore will be too good for them. I think it's more damaging to the Championship to lose Laune Rangers or Miltown. Look at Rangers, they haven't lost a first round tie in recent years despite their drop in Co. League Standing. They always put a massive effort in for the Championship and would be a huge loss to it. I think the point was made above but the clubs backed down too easily on this. Certain district boards performances makes a mockery of relegating clubs
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Post by greengold35 on Nov 4, 2015 8:58:41 GMT
The clubs were really in a "no win " situation given the voting power @ county board; there were delegates voting for this who were unaffected by its impact and who in instances saw a club demotion as the means of strengthening their division.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 4, 2015 9:20:02 GMT
Two separate championships might be a solutions?
Championship 1: The senior clubs play a championship to produce one winner which represents Kerry in Munster - removes the need for the senior clubs to play in two championships and frees up weekends for county league and district competitions.
Championship 2: The district teams play a separate championship to produce one winner. This might even improve the quality of the district teams if proper time was free upped for the intermediate and junior championships.
Championship 1 winner versus Championship 2 winner in the Grand County Final to win the county championship outright.
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Post by fivenarow on Nov 4, 2015 11:44:44 GMT
The clubs were really in a "no win " situation given the voting power @ county board; there were delegates voting for this who were unaffected by its impact and who in instances saw a club demotion as the means of strengthening their division. That's probably a fair point as clubs may have been playing politics but it's crazy that senior clubs are only voicing their concerns now when the format [even though it has been changed slightly from the initial decision] has been in circulation for the past 6 months. All the clubs were asked to submit an alternative format around that time & as far as I'm aware the only club from the whole county that submitted a counter proposal proposal was john Mitchels. The format was then passed at county board level by the same clubs who are now jumping up & down at county board meetings complaining about the very same format that they never bothered sending in an alternative to & to make it better they voted in. It's strange that all the focus seems to be on the senior championship when you also have 4 teams relegated from the intermediate under the same structure. Spare a thought for the teams in the junior championship next year who will have listowel & either glenbeigh or templenoe for company.
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Post by gawksiegorman on Nov 4, 2015 18:10:11 GMT
While John Mitchels put forward a counter proposal, many other clubs put forward well though out alternative plans and in depth commentary at the first stage of asking - it is very incorrect to say that senior clubs are only "voicing their concerns ...hopping up and down" now.
I am certain that the format was passed by majority, not unanimously and many voted against it. Indeed some of the most in depth thinking about the ultimate ramifications of this plan took place within the walls of the senior clubs - and that is an indisputable fact. Many clubs at all levels didn't consider all the potential consequences... But some did, and that includes some of the senior clubs
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Post by actionman on Nov 4, 2015 18:17:18 GMT
The chances are that St Michaels/Foilmore & Ardvert will go down to Intermediate with either Milltown or Laune Rangers joining them. As far as the junior goes you will have Listowel,Templenoe and Glenbeigh in the junior next year, as far as I know the winners of the junior will not be going up to intermediate. I was banking on Listry for next years Junior but with these teams it will be very difficult.
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Post by fivenarow on Nov 4, 2015 18:47:38 GMT
While John Mitchels put forward a counter proposal, many other clubs put forward well though out alternative plans and in depth commentary at the first stage of asking - it is very incorrect to say that senior clubs are only "voicing their concerns ...hopping up and down" now. I am certain that the format was passed by majority, not unanimously and many voted against it. Indeed some of the most in depth thinking about the ultimate ramifications of this plan took place within the walls of the senior clubs - and that is an indisputable fact. Many clubs at all levels didn't consider all the potential consequences... But some did, and that includes some of the senior clubs The clubs may have put forward alternative plans in depth commentary but why didn't they put them in writing when they were asked for an alternative proposal? They should have put it in writing & got it recorded, as far as the county board are concerned most clubs were ok with the proposal. Without doubt some of the clubs that voted for it didn't even consider the consequences but some did & it suited them to vote yes. Unfortunately the senior clubs didn't hold enough power in a decision that ultimately affected them more than anyone else but they knew that & didn't act until it was too late. I think the system is a joke too but if I didn't like something I'd try to do something like a written proposal before it was too late to change it.
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Post by Premier on Nov 4, 2015 18:57:41 GMT
Totally agree that it is wrong to be relegating 3 teams. Favourites to win 1st round ties would be Stacks, Rahillys, Kilcummin & Ardfert. St. Michaels Foilmore have struggled recently but you wouldn't rule out them coming out on top against Kilcummin as they will battle hard in these conditions. Ardfert are also a good side but I just think Rathmore will be too good for them. I think it's more damaging to the Championship to lose Laune Rangers or Miltown. Look at Rangers, they haven't lost a first round tie in recent years despite their drop in Co. League Standing. They always put a massive effort in for the Championship and would be a huge loss to it. I think the point was made above but the clubs backed down too easily on this. Certain district boards performances makes a mockery of relegating clubs Do the likes of Bally/Filmore and Ardfert even want to win these games? What good would it do them knowing they are going to get hammered next year anyway.. They will put a 'good show', but in their heart of hearts I'm sure they won't be that devastated. Both of them being Intermediate next year will give them a reasonable goal to aspire to and give some sort of structure to their year
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 4, 2015 20:06:50 GMT
The clubs were really in a "no win " situation given the voting power @ county board; there were delegates voting for this who were unaffected by its impact and who in instances saw a club demotion as the means of strengthening their division. That's probably a fair point as clubs may have been playing politics but it's crazy that senior clubs are only voicing their concerns now when the format [even though it has been changed slightly from the initial decision] has been in circulation for the past 6 months. All the clubs were asked to submit an alternative format around that time & as far as I'm aware the only club from the whole county that submitted a counter proposal proposal was john Mitchels. The format was then passed at county board level by the same clubs who are now jumping up & down at county board meetings complaining about the very same format that they never bothered sending in an alternative to & to make it better they voted in. It's strange that all the focus seems to be on the senior championship when you also have 4 teams relegated from the intermediate under the same structure. Spare a thought for the teams in the junior championship next year who will have listowel & either glenbeigh or templenoe for company. I agree. Shoving strong teams down to intermediate and junior will just kill off the hopes of small clubs of winning the junior All Ireland. Yet, going by the minor panel of 2015, its these small clubs that are producing good prospects. This proposal seems to be an answer to a perceived problem that existed a few years ago when Crokes were strong. Since then Dingle, Legion, Stacks, Rathmore and one or two more have improved and Crokes have slipped back into the pack. There didn't seem to be any need for reform when divisional sides were hogging the limelight and a club team needed to be exceptional team to win it. Anything that's bad for clubs is a bad idea as far as I am concerned.
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Post by buck02 on Nov 5, 2015 9:26:07 GMT
Looks very much like it was a seeded draw after all for the relegation games. All those complaining about the format, well all clubs had the chance to either reject the proposal or come up with a counter proposal. I actually think there were two counter proposals, Mitchels and one other if I remember correctly. There are too many weak teams in the county senior championship currently but maybe relegating 3 in one go was OTT. Stacks, Rahillys, Rathmore and Kilcummin should secure their status this weekend.
On the final, I think both teams have failed to really convince so far in the competition. I wouldn't expect this to be one for the neutral. South Kerry will probably drop back in large numbers to try suffocate James O and Conor Keane. The inclusion of big Lucey at the edge of the square could make their defence to go even deeper. This could go either way but I feel Legion might just have the legs in the last 10 minutes to come though - the Marys contingent are after a tough 6 weeks and it might just show at the end.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 6, 2015 7:49:25 GMT
Legion among leading lights in Killarney's Kingdom takeover Christy O'Connor PUBLISHED 06/11/2015
At the Legion AGM last year, it was generally accepted that club policy had to change. Since their foundation in 1929, they never had an outside coach or manager. Locals always did the job.
They worked hard and tried hard but Legion still weren't delivering. It was time for change.
The club approached Peter Keane. He was from a big footballing family in Cahirsiveen who had guided St Mary's to an All-Ireland Junior club title in 2011. He had a good track record but Keane had no loyalty or connection to anyone in the club. He was exactly what Legion needed.
Keane was organised and professional. Gradually, he began to change the culture. The club's talented crop of young players finally began to fulfil their potential. Legion were promoted from Division 2 of the county league in 2014. They reached the O'Donoghue Cup decider (East Kerry divisional final), which they lost to Rathmore after extra-time. After halting Dr Crokes' bid for five county titles in a row, Legion reached the county semi-final, which they lost to Dingle by one point. The corner had been turned. Keane was definitely the right man.
Lifetime
This year, they have gone to another level. On Sunday, Legion are seeking to win a first county title in 69 years. Only two members of that 1946 county-winning team - John Joe Sheehan and Micksie Palmer - are still alive but it has taken Legion a lifetime to arrive back at this point.
The road has been long, too long. A couple of years after the 1946 success, the team broke up and never regained that same foothold. They did win a couple of O'Donoghue Cups in the 1950s but for decades the only pathway available to Legion players to play county senior championship football was through the amalgamated teams of East Kerry and Killarney.
It took until 1993 to get back into senior grade, when Legion won Division One of the county league. Yet the team wasn't strong enough to survive and they were relegated back to intermediate again by the end of the decade.
When they went back up senior again, after winning an intermediate title in 2005, nothing much had changed. They found themselves in a relegation final on two occasions. By the turn of the decade, a new generation of talented young players were coming through but Legion still couldn't crack the code. They were making incremental progress but their status as a club continued to be largely defined by underachievement. Yet that has radically changed in the last two years as this generation seek to create their own history.
Legion are also underlining how the balance of power in Kerry now has emphatically shifted to Killarney.
Legion are currently joint-second in Division One of the county league. If they finish second, they will play Dr Crokes in the league final.
For years, Killarney's magnetic lure, its varied distractions and sporting diversity highlighted how difficult it could be for Killarney's clubs to be successful, or for Killarney players to make it with Kerry. Now, Kerry teams are teeming with players from the town. Their clubs are now the standard everyone else has to match.
During Kerry's golden years between 1975-'86, there was scarcely a Killarney player on the scene. Paudie O'Mahony from Spa was goalkeeper for the 1975 and 1976 All-Ireland finals. James O'Donoghue's father Diarmuid won an All-Ireland in 1980 and was chosen as Kerry captain in the GAA's Centenary Year in 1984 when Killarney (an amalgamation of Dr Crokes and Legion) won the 1983 county final. He played in the Munster semi-final against Tipperary but when O'Donoghue was dropped for the Munster final, Kerry sailed on to win that Centenary All-Ireland without him on the team.
It was no surprise because Kerry did not necessarily expect to find an inter-county footballer in Killarney. "There was an assumption," once said Pat O'Shea, who managed Kerry to the 2007 All-Ireland title, "that people in Killarney concentrated on the tourist industry rather than their football skill. We were branded like that and we had to fight that assumption."
Now that perception has been emphatically turned on its head. There were eight Killarney players on the Kerry senior panel this year. It would have been nine but for an injury to Kieran O'Leary, who captained the team in 2014. It was Killarney's greatest representation since Kerry's first All-Ireland win of 1903.
In the beginning, Killarney had a huge impact on Kerry football. The first giant of Kerry GAA was Dick Fitzgerald from Dr Crokes. On the field he won five All Irelands, two as Kerry captain in 1913 and 1914. A brilliant tactician, he managed Kerry's transition from 17-a-side to 15-a-side and while he was still playing he wrote the first GAA coaching manual, 'How To Play Gaelic Football'. The stadium in Killarney is named after Fitzgerald.
Another clubman, Dr Eamon O'Sullivan, supervised the project but O'Sullivan is revered as the Godfather of Kerry managers. Along with writing his seminal book, 'The Art and Science of Gaelic Football', O'Sullivan led Kerry to eight All Irelands over five decades with a succession of different teams.
During that period, Killarney clubs often had a large representation on Kerry teams; six in the 1947 All-Ireland final; five in the 1953 final. Spa's Donie O'Sullivan captained Kerry to the 1970 All-Ireland title but the numbers had gradually reduced by then. Kerry's Golden Years was largely a wasteland for Killarney players. Even when they won the All-Ireland club in 1992, Connie Murphy was the only Crokes player who could claim a regular place on the Kerry team. Crokes finally halted that trend with four players on the successful Kerry 2006 squad - Colm Cooper, Eoin Brosnan, Kieran O'Leary and Kieran Cremin.
Crokes won a Munster club title that season before reaching an All-Ireland final the following March, which was the precursor to their modern success. Between 2010-'13, they won four successive Kerry titles, along with a three-in-a-row in Munster. Historically, Killarney clubs had never enjoyed that dominance.
Crokes went 77 years without a senior title. Apart from Crokes' haul, only three more county titles have come to Killarney. The modern boon has also been a direct by-product from intensive underage work in Crokes, Spa and Legion. Spa's Liam Kearney captained Kerry to last year's All-Ireland minor title. In September, Legion had their biggest All-Ireland final representation since 1955 (similar to 1953) with four on the full senior squad - O'Donoghue, Jonathan Lyne, Brian Kelly and Podge O'Connor
Legion's march to Sunday's county final is further proof that this is Killarney's time but Kerry and the Big Time has still always run through Killarney's history, especially Legion's.
The club has produced 17 All-Ireland senior winners, who have accumulated a haul of 30 All-Ireland medals.
On the current team, there are connections and links to the past everywhere. Seán and Conor Keane's grandfather Tim Healy captained Killarney to the 1949 county title.
Their great grandfather, Con Murphy, won All-Irelands with Kerry in 1913 and 1914.
Jonathan Lyne's lineage runs even deeper. Lyne's grandfather Denny captained Kerry in the Polo Grounds in 1947. His brother, Jackie, won All-Irelands in 1946 and 1953 before guiding Kerry to All-Irelands in 1969 and 1970.
Another brother, Canon Mickey Lyne, won an All-Ireland in 1937 before later serving as chaplain to Glasgow Celtic FC.
A sister, Maura, married Tom Spillane and their sons won 18 All-Ireland senior medals.
Killarney football always had huge history. The book was just closed for a long time.
Now, the current generation are writing a whole new chapter. Especially Legion.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 6, 2015 14:13:57 GMT
The weather doesn't look great for Sunday. However the contest between JOD and Killian Young in what effectively could decide who captains Kerry next year will be worth the entry fee alone. Killian as a young player in the last decade has been superb on the Gooch at corner back on county final day. Looking forward to that particular battle.
We have a great system in Kerry when a player from a small division 5 club and from a large senior town club in Kerry can play against each other for the right to captain the Kerry senior football team.
Sunday is what it is all about, long may that continue.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 14:50:21 GMT
I agree kerrygold. It's great to see clubs like Renard and Valentia etc being represented in the County Final. It's a great thing when Kerry teams are picked they come from every part of Kerry. Look at the Minors this year. You had big clubs like Crokes Stacks Dingle and then you had clubs like Kilgarvan Ballydonoghue Beaufort Listry. Players do get an even chance to make Kerry panels nowadys. It is what makes Kerry sucessful.Best of luck to both teams on Sunday.
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