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Post by kevin45 on May 26, 2015 12:17:47 GMT
Sounds a bit "wishy washy" to me! Are they good or aren't they? Kind of sounds like you know more then your letting on!!! That ''versatile' back to the best of my knowledge was with the minors for 1 or 2 trial games around the time of the Corn Ui Mhuiri. He's a long way off of this years minor team, he'll be doing well to make it next year and likewise for that goalkeeper, he couldn't even make the Kerry u16 team last year and you expect him to be in with the minors this year? they both are playing with the Kerry u17s at the moment and they both start senior county league divison 1 Kerry u16s doesn't really matter now they have come on leaps and bounds training with seniors
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Post by dashboard10m on May 26, 2015 12:23:23 GMT
I cant say that I have ever seen this Ballydonoghue team play but more often than not a strong team is more reflective of strength all over than the pitch and not having 6/7 stand outs and 8/9 poor players- so maybe the answer is that Ballyd just have a very strong outfit but only 2/3 really elite players and 12 or so very good players who are just a little off minor standard
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Post by dashboard10m on May 26, 2015 12:33:02 GMT
That's a good call plenty team's have 1 or 2 very good players and then especially smaller club's some very average player's, never seen ballydonoghue but fair play to them a great achievement and from what I hear they have a strong panel not just 15 which drives lad's on but it doesn't automatically mean they should have more on the county minor panel, their player's must be very good but maybe some at the moment fall just short of inter county level
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Post by Callitasitis on May 28, 2015 11:04:14 GMT
That ''versatile' back to the best of my knowledge was with the minors for 1 or 2 trial games around the time of the Corn Ui Mhuiri. He's a long way off of this years minor team, he'll be doing well to make it next year and likewise for that goalkeeper, he couldn't even make the Kerry u16 team last year and you expect him to be in with the minors this year? they both are playing with the Kerry u17s at the moment and they both start senior county league divison 1 Kerry u16s doesn't really matter now they have come on leaps and bounds training with seniors who is over the Kerry u17s ?
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Post by hurlingman on May 28, 2015 11:13:22 GMT
That's a good call plenty team's have 1 or 2 very good players and then especially smaller club's some very average player's, never seen ballydonoghue but fair play to them a great achievement and from what I hear they have a strong panel not just 15 which drives lad's on but it doesn't automatically mean they should have more on the county minor panel, their player's must be very good but maybe some at the moment fall just short of inter county level Normally that would be true. But nit in this case as its a North Kerry team. You should know that its different with them
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Post by hugh20 on May 28, 2015 11:16:55 GMT
I was not aware that there was a Kerry u17 team.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on May 28, 2015 11:25:35 GMT
There are North and South under 14, 14, 16, 17 teams now
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Post by buck02 on May 28, 2015 11:32:16 GMT
There are North and South under 14, 14, 16, 17 teams now There is only one Kerry U17 team although I believe there are almost 40 players in there at the moment. At U16 level numbers are reduced to one panel after the July tournament.
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Post by Callitasitis on May 28, 2015 12:43:19 GMT
Who's over those teams would imagine Kerry minor management would be involved with u17s due to over lap of players
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Post by inforthebreaks on May 28, 2015 14:14:23 GMT
Who's over those teams would imagine Kerry minor management would be involved with u17s due to over lap of players as far as I am aware the U17 squad does not contain any players on the minor squad. Although I am sure Jack and Co. would monitor form of one or two of the players on it.
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Post by champer on May 29, 2015 10:00:50 GMT
Who's over those teams would imagine Kerry minor management would be involved with u17s due to over lap of players as far as I am aware the U17 squad does not contain any players on the minor squad. Although I am sure Jack and Co. would monitor form of one or two of the players on it. We seem to be well behind the Leinster and Ulster counties with our development of young players. Dublin are starting development squads at u13 and are bringing through a lot of high quality young players who are ready for senior football at 18 or 19. Tyrone seemed to be the first to get going with these squads. With all the good football people in the county we should be doing more.
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Post by hugh20 on May 29, 2015 11:25:12 GMT
Although we have only won one minor in the last 20 years we have come close on numerous occasions and our teams are usually thereabouts, we have featured in the quarter finals or better as far back as I can remember with the exception of one year when Tipp beat us about 5 years ago. I wouldn't worry in terms of our development I think we are right up there at the top.
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Post by onlykerry on May 29, 2015 14:35:36 GMT
For the record Dublin won the minor All Ireland in 2012 after a 28 year gap - not a great advert for squads. Kerry have by far the most AI QF appearances of any other county having only missed out once since the QF's were introduced. Underage squads were slow getting going in Kerry but they have really kicked on the the last five or six years - two of the selectors with Jack this year have come through the squads system. Yes more could be done but it would take more €€€€€ - with the finances available they are doing a great job and well done to those involved in developing the underage squads. . Anybody know when the minor county championship draw takes place? Are Ballydonoghue going solo or will they remain with Shannon Rangers?
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Post by inforthebreaks on May 29, 2015 16:07:42 GMT
as far as I am aware the U17 squad does not contain any players on the minor squad. Although I am sure Jack and Co. would monitor form of one or two of the players on it. We seem to be well behind the Leinster and Ulster counties with our development of young players. Dublin are starting development squads at u13 and are bringing through a lot of high quality young players who are ready for senior football at 18 or 19. Tyrone seemed to be the first to get going with these squads. With all the good football people in the county we should be doing more. the minor team of 2013 was the first group of lads to fully come through the development squad system.. they unluckily / naively lost to tyrone in a semi final. teh 2014 minor team won the all ireland.. this years team have already dispatched cork and have some serious talent. the minor teams of 2016 and 2017 are being spoken of in glowing terms having often swept the boards at the various development squad blitzes,,, I think that's fair evidence that our use of development squads is working well and we are developing players very competently.
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Post by dubkerry on May 29, 2015 19:19:51 GMT
A lot of excellent work being done by club and school coaches throughout the county, great to see strong county squads coming through. Big danger if we become totally focused on Development squads and over coach these into playing a "system" that they may lose their decision making ability and natural football skills. Believe Kerry seniors have a better ability to play off the cuff football than Leinster and Ulster teams which have come through the development squad system. Development Squads have made it easier to pick the minor team as players have been given 3 to 4 years at a high level to prove themselves. It will be interesting to see how long these guys play at senior level. It appears to me that the our inter county players have longer playing careers that their Northern counterparts.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 21:49:13 GMT
From what i have seen Kerry should be good in 2016 and 2017. Some really good u16 players in the county this year and we should up there or close to winning another all ireland in the next couple of years. They just need to keep doing the work at underage level to keep them up there with the other counties. Teams like Roscommon, Tipperary, Dublin, Tyrone, Mayo, Cavan, Kildare, Armagh, and Donegal are putting a lot of work in from u14 up and Kerry will have to match that to keep producing the footballers they always produce.
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Post by thechosenone on May 30, 2015 20:19:53 GMT
For the record Dublin won the minor All Ireland in 2012 after a 28 year gap - not a great advert for squads. Kerry have by far the most AI QF appearances of any other county having only missed out once since the QF's were introduced. Underage squads were slow getting going in Kerry but they have really kicked on the the last five or six years - two of the selectors with Jack this year have come through the squads system. Yes more could be done but it would take more €€€€€ - with the finances available they are doing a great job and well done to those involved in developing the underage squads. . Anybody know when the minor county championship draw takes place? Are Ballydonoghue going solo or will they remain with Shannon Rangers? Ballydonoghue with Shannon Rangers. Not goin solo. They should definitely be favourites for County Chanpionship. This team won County Champ as U14's. Lost in semi final at U16's.
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Post by seamo on May 31, 2015 14:05:06 GMT
as far as I am aware the U17 squad does not contain any players on the minor squad. Although I am sure Jack and Co. would monitor form of one or two of the players on it. We seem to be well behind the Leinster and Ulster counties with our development of young players. Dublin are starting development squads at u13 and are bringing through a lot of high quality young players who are ready for senior football at 18 or 19. Tyrone seemed to be the first to get going with these squads. With all the good football people in the county we should be doing more. Well if Dublin are doing it then it must be the thing to do!!! Why stop there, we should have u8 development squads, f**k ENJOYING football or being a kid/teenager, we should be turning them into robots hell bent on athleticism and winning like so many Ulster teams of the past 10 years and a few Dublin players also!!! We're building a new centre of excellence in the county, looks very impressive going by the pics in the paper last week. In terms of u13 and younger the best thing we could do for them is invite a clubs u10/u12 team to come in for one evening to train there and get to experience the place. Cherry picking players at that age for intercounty development is awfully cynical.
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Post by shannonsider on May 31, 2015 14:43:47 GMT
We seem to be well behind the Leinster and Ulster counties with our development of young players. Dublin are starting development squads at u13 and are bringing through a lot of high quality young players who are ready for senior football at 18 or 19. Tyrone seemed to be the first to get going with these squads. With all the good football people in the county we should be doing more. Well if Dublin are doing it then it must be the thing to do!!! Why stop there, we should have u8 development squads, f**k ENJOYING football or being a kid/teenager, we should be turning them into robots hell bent on athleticism and winning like so many Ulster teams of the past 10 years and a few Dublin players also!!! We're building a new centre of excellence in the county, looks very impressive going by the pics in the paper last week. In terms of u13 and younger the best thing we could do for them is invite a clubs u10/u12 team to come in for one evening to train there and get to experience the place. Cherry picking players at that age for intercounty development is awfully cynical. Steady on Seamo..let's be clear here. There is no county development squads in Kerry before under 14. At that age, there are 25 man (I think?) squads picked for the Munster tournament, but there is only a short period of collective training done as far as I'm aware and it is all pitch-based stuff. The winter of that year when the under 15 squads are picked is when the physical development programme is started. Each region has (or is at least encouraged to have) Regional Development squads or schools of excellence, which means more education and casting a wider net. Personally, think this is a good approach to take. Give lad a little taste of what the Kerry jersey and county level means at 14, but don't throw too much too soon at them (and crucially, cast the net wide, not just to a narrow 20 man squad). There is some player monitoring and physical development going on in other sports (possibly in some GAA counties aswell) that I would consider excessive. A relative of mine has a son on a county soccer u12 squad and he is logging on daily to a player monitoring system recording his activity, diet etc. I'm also aware of similar stuff going on with rugby players of that age. Bit too much in my view. On the flip side of that, it IS a fact that Fine Motor skills and sport specific skills are best developed if worked on between the ages of 6 and 12. Of course, this should be done in a fun atmosphere in clubs, schools and through PE classes etc..unfortunately the reality in a lot of areas is that nothing like that is done and worse, players are given incorrect or overly complicated stuff..often in the wrong type of atmosphere. You can of course start working on these things in teenagers, I'm just talking about the ideal world scenario. It's a delicate balancing act between applying the best Sport Science principles, best Skill devlopment environment and on the flip side, allowing players to enjoy and fall in love with the game and not have too much pressure too soon. From my knowledge of the work being done, Kerry football is in a much better place than we were 10 years ago, but still with room for improvement. We are lucky in terms of football, that we have some schools that in effect are centres of excellence for football. It is those, along with work done by the odd coach here and there in the Regions that is driving the youth of today to maintain the high standards we expect of Kerry footballers that we aspire too..standards that our underage teams (and Seniors) fell short of for quite a few years. In part, due to terrible coaching and management personnel being placed in positions of power. Donal Daly and his coaching staff seem to on the right track now. Could probably do with a few more staff including a full time physical development coach and a focus on weaker geographical areas/schools, but again that's an "ideal world" scenario.
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Post by Premier on May 31, 2015 14:51:08 GMT
Well if Dublin are doing it then it must be the thing to do!!! Why stop there, we should have u8 development squads, f**k ENJOYING football or being a kid/teenager, we should be turning them into robots hell bent on athleticism and winning like so many Ulster teams of the past 10 years and a few Dublin players also!!! We're building a new centre of excellence in the county, looks very impressive going by the pics in the paper last week. In terms of u13 and younger the best thing we could do for them is invite a clubs u10/u12 team to come in for one evening to train there and get to experience the place. Cherry picking players at that age for intercounty development is awfully cynical. Steady on Seamo..let's be clear here. There is no county development squads in Kerry before under 14. At that age, there are 25 man (I think?) squads picked for the Munster tournament, but there is only a short period of collective training done as far as I'm aware and it is all pitch-based stuff. The winter of that year when the under 15 squads are picked is when the physical development programme is started. Each region has (or is at least encouraged to have) Regional Development squads or schools of excellence, which means more education and casting a wider net. Personally, think this is a good approach to take. Give lad a little taste of what the Kerry jersey and county level means at 14, but don't throw too much too soon at them (and crucially, cast the net wide, not just to a narrow 20 man squad). There is some player monitoring and physical development going on in other sports (possibly in some GAA counties aswell) that I would consider excessive. A relative of mine has a son on a county soccer u12 squad and he is logging on daily to a player monitoring system recording his activity, diet etc. I'm also aware of similar stuff going on with rugby players of that age. Bit too much in my view. On the flip side of that, it IS a fact that Fine Motor skills and sport specific skills are best developed if worked on between the ages of 6 and 12. Of course, this should be done in a fun atmosphere in clubs, schools and through PE classes etc..unfortunately the reality in a lot of areas is that nothing like that is done and worse, players are given incorrect or overly complicated stuff..often in the wrong type of atmosphere. You can of course start working on these things in teenagers, I'm just talking about the ideal world scenario. It's a delicate balancing act between applying the best Sport Science principles, best Skill devlopment environment and on the flip side, allowing players to enjoy and fall in love with the game and not have too much pressure too soon. From my knowledge of the work being done, Kerry football is in a much better place than we were 10 years ago, but still with room for improvement. We are lucky in terms of football, that we have some schools that in effect are centres of excellence for football. It is those, along with work done by the odd coach here and there in the Regions that is driving the youth of today to maintain the high standards we expect of Kerry footballers that we aspire too..standards that our underage teams (and Seniors) fell short of for quite a few years. In part, due to terrible coaching and management personnel being placed in positions of power. Donal Daly and his coaching staff seem to on the right track now. Could probably do with a few more staff including a full time physical development coach and a focus on weaker geographical areas/schools, but again that's an "ideal world" scenario. Would agree with focus on weaker geographical areas.. South Kerry's u14 team hasn't won a game in about 4 years and get beaten by 30 in nearly every game, the u16 and a halves got beaten by more than 30 points in each game including to teams like Listowel (no offence).. The trend is already setting in and Kenmare are not far behind in terms of poor results due to lack of coaching/interest
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Post by seamo on May 31, 2015 16:45:48 GMT
Well if Dublin are doing it then it must be the thing to do!!! Why stop there, we should have u8 development squads, f**k ENJOYING football or being a kid/teenager, we should be turning them into robots hell bent on athleticism and winning like so many Ulster teams of the past 10 years and a few Dublin players also!!! We're building a new centre of excellence in the county, looks very impressive going by the pics in the paper last week. In terms of u13 and younger the best thing we could do for them is invite a clubs u10/u12 team to come in for one evening to train there and get to experience the place. Cherry picking players at that age for intercounty development is awfully cynical. Steady on Seamo..let's be clear here. There is no county development squads in Kerry before under 14. At that age, there are 25 man (I think?) squads picked for the Munster tournament, but there is only a short period of collective training done as far as I'm aware and it is all pitch-based stuff. The winter of that year when the under 15 squads are picked is when the physical development programme is started. Each region has (or is at least encouraged to have) Regional Development squads or schools of excellence, which means more education and casting a wider net. Personally, think this is a good approach to take. Give lad a little taste of what the Kerry jersey and county level means at 14, but don't throw too much too soon at them (and crucially, cast the net wide, not just to a narrow 20 man squad). There is some player monitoring and physical development going on in other sports (possibly in some GAA counties aswell) that I would consider excessive. A relative of mine has a son on a county soccer u12 squad and he is logging on daily to a player monitoring system recording his activity, diet etc. I'm also aware of similar stuff going on with rugby players of that age. Bit too much in my view. On the flip side of that, it IS a fact that Fine Motor skills and sport specific skills are best developed if worked on between the ages of 6 and 12. Of course, this should be done in a fun atmosphere in clubs, schools and through PE classes etc..unfortunately the reality in a lot of areas is that nothing like that is done and worse, players are given incorrect or overly complicated stuff..often in the wrong type of atmosphere. You can of course start working on these things in teenagers, I'm just talking about the ideal world scenario. It's a delicate balancing act between applying the best Sport Science principles, best Skill devlopment environment and on the flip side, allowing players to enjoy and fall in love with the game and not have too much pressure too soon. From my knowledge of the work being done, Kerry football is in a much better place than we were 10 years ago, but still with room for improvement. We are lucky in terms of football, that we have some schools that in effect are centres of excellence for football. It is those, along with work done by the odd coach here and there in the Regions that is driving the youth of today to maintain the high standards we expect of Kerry footballers that we aspire too..standards that our underage teams (and Seniors) fell short of for quite a few years. In part, due to terrible coaching and management personnel being placed in positions of power. Donal Daly and his coaching staff seem to on the right track now. Could probably do with a few more staff including a full time physical development coach and a focus on weaker geographical areas/schools, but again that's an "ideal world" scenario. What have you disagreed with me on?My comment was in response to someone bringing up Dublin having an u13 development squad and we being way behind Dublin and Ulster teams!!!! All of what you have said doesn't point to the need for anymore development squads, especially one's for younger players. All it points to is the need for clubs to be training all players, rather than a select few being chosen and put on the production line for the Kerry minors and seniors. Alot of what the County board and particularly Donal Daly are doing is perfect. Going to clubs and training coaches instead of the players. That's the right way of doing it.
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Post by seamo on May 31, 2015 16:51:52 GMT
Steady on Seamo..let's be clear here. There is no county development squads in Kerry before under 14. At that age, there are 25 man (I think?) squads picked for the Munster tournament, but there is only a short period of collective training done as far as I'm aware and it is all pitch-based stuff. The winter of that year when the under 15 squads are picked is when the physical development programme is started. Each region has (or is at least encouraged to have) Regional Development squads or schools of excellence, which means more education and casting a wider net. Personally, think this is a good approach to take. Give lad a little taste of what the Kerry jersey and county level means at 14, but don't throw too much too soon at them (and crucially, cast the net wide, not just to a narrow 20 man squad). There is some player monitoring and physical development going on in other sports (possibly in some GAA counties aswell) that I would consider excessive. A relative of mine has a son on a county soccer u12 squad and he is logging on daily to a player monitoring system recording his activity, diet etc. I'm also aware of similar stuff going on with rugby players of that age. Bit too much in my view. On the flip side of that, it IS a fact that Fine Motor skills and sport specific skills are best developed if worked on between the ages of 6 and 12. Of course, this should be done in a fun atmosphere in clubs, schools and through PE classes etc..unfortunately the reality in a lot of areas is that nothing like that is done and worse, players are given incorrect or overly complicated stuff..often in the wrong type of atmosphere. You can of course start working on these things in teenagers, I'm just talking about the ideal world scenario. It's a delicate balancing act between applying the best Sport Science principles, best Skill devlopment environment and on the flip side, allowing players to enjoy and fall in love with the game and not have too much pressure too soon. From my knowledge of the work being done, Kerry football is in a much better place than we were 10 years ago, but still with room for improvement. We are lucky in terms of football, that we have some schools that in effect are centres of excellence for football. It is those, along with work done by the odd coach here and there in the Regions that is driving the youth of today to maintain the high standards we expect of Kerry footballers that we aspire too..standards that our underage teams (and Seniors) fell short of for quite a few years. In part, due to terrible coaching and management personnel being placed in positions of power. Donal Daly and his coaching staff seem to on the right track now. Could probably do with a few more staff including a full time physical development coach and a focus on weaker geographical areas/schools, but again that's an "ideal world" scenario. Would agree with focus on weaker geographical areas.. South Kerry's u14 team hasn't won a game in about 4 years and get beaten by 30 in nearly every game, the u16 and a halves got beaten by more than 30 points in each game including to teams like Listowel (no offence).. The trend is already setting in and Kenmare are not far behind in terms of poor results due to lack of coaching/interest So why has the standard of coaching/ lack of interest dropped in the past ~4 years? I don't think there is an answer to that because it's the wrong question. Cut South Kerry and other geographical areas some bit of slack, the fall in standards/interest is down to economic areas. South Kerry clubs can barely field senior sides, it's going to be even tougher at underage level. Schools are losing teachers in South Kerry because of fall in numbers, clubs and district teams suffer as a result of same fall in numbers.
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Post by southward on May 31, 2015 18:46:44 GMT
as far as I am aware the U17 squad does not contain any players on the minor squad. Although I am sure Jack and Co. would monitor form of one or two of the players on it. We seem to be well behind the Leinster and Ulster counties with our development of young players. Dublin are starting development squads at u13 and are bringing through a lot of high quality young players who are ready for senior football at 18 or 19. Tyrone seemed to be the first to get going with these squads. With all the good football people in the county we should be doing more. And what good has it done them? Tyrone haven't been in the shake up at senior level for 7 years and are now in Div 2. Where have all the minors they have "developed" gone? Probably burnt out / fed up with the game at this stage. With 37 AIs, it really makes me laugh when people say we should take our cue from Ulster.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jun 29, 2015 9:32:37 GMT
Donegal and Dublin both gone this weekend. Kildare would appear to be very strong.
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Post by givehimaball on Jun 29, 2015 17:44:18 GMT
Donegal and Dublin both gone this weekend. Kildare would appear to be very strong. Donegal were favourites with the bookies but it's hard enough to know with minors.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 1, 2015 10:47:37 GMT
What a goal by Matthew Kelly for the Kildare minors
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 1, 2015 10:56:37 GMT
What a goal by Matthew Kelly for the Kildare minors Two kick passes in that... there is hope for Kildare yet!
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Post by dabomber on Jul 3, 2015 19:17:12 GMT
Is Tom o Sullivan on the panel from Dingle the same Tom that was on the minors last year?
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 3, 2015 19:46:18 GMT
Is Tom o Sullivan on the panel from Dingle the same Tom that was on the minors last year? No, different guys!
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Post by Kingdomson on Jul 5, 2015 12:24:52 GMT
UP THE KINGDOM! Well done to the Kerry minors on retaining the Munster minor crown. Jack O'Connor, you're some man!
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