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Post by seamo on Sept 30, 2014 15:32:08 GMT
Yeah it is unfair to harp back to that Cork game so much. Same would have happened AOM that day, or anyother fullback in Ireland for that matter; Hurley is a quality player.
I've never been a big fan of Micheal Shields, think he's well overrated, BUT I wouldn't be dropping him from the Cork team simply because of what JOD did, JOD would have done that to any player in Ireland that day with the space he had.
So Griffin is worth perservering with in my opinion. Crowley covered off alot of space in front of the fb line this year too, which is what a guy like Griffin needs.
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Post by keane on Sept 30, 2014 16:04:12 GMT
In that league game our half back line got farther and farther away from the full back line the longer the game went on, as the Cork front eight realised that Hurley had his shooting boots on and that he was capable of rotavating any back on the day given 50 yards of space to run onto the ball to.
I actually gave the management credit on the day for deliberately leaving Griffin in that spot to see how he would adapt, but it seems from reading interviews after that they actually just didn't realise how much our defence needed re-imagining until after that game, which I would have been pretty concerned to hear at the time!
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 30, 2014 17:08:36 GMT
Ronan Murphy is a guy I am looking forward to seeing with Mid Kerry; he is big, very mobile and caught the eye when playing with the minors; was outstanding for Mid Kerry when they defeated Feale Rangers in the 3rd round; he should be a big player for the U-21s next year.
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Post by sidelined on Sept 30, 2014 20:49:20 GMT
the players on the extended panel will get plenty of game time in both mcgrath cup and league. know what is required of them . conor keane will be an interesting dilemma, will u21 be allowed play in league this year?. a strong finish to county championship could propell some players to get a chance, gavan o grady denis daly [ big physical no 6 for juniors] ciaran keating can put them selves a step up the ladder.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 0:02:11 GMT
Id like to see Shane o Callaghan get a bit of game time lovely footballer with a great read of the game .jack savage promising too
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Post by Premier on Oct 1, 2014 7:20:00 GMT
McGrath Cup will be the first blooding ground for players in 2015,It's where Paul Murphy,Stephen O Brien & Barry John made a big claim this year. Players who can expect to feature Pa Kilkenny Mark Griffin Ferghal McNamara Jonathan Lyne Jack Sherwood Marcus Mangan Bryan Sheehan Paul O Donoghue Daithi Casey Alan Fitzgearld Darran O Sullivan Conor Cox Thomas Hickey Any one from the Juniors? Ciaran Keating had a solid year for junior/u21s this year , Althought the forwards are fairly jammed as it is, but a good player none the less Agree with regards Ciaran Keating, was Kerry's best player in the Junior final and has the right build for inter-county; 6 foot 1 or 2 and only getting stronger
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Post by kerryeye on Oct 1, 2014 12:15:03 GMT
McGrath Cup 2015
Kealy Fergal Mcnamara Mark Griffin Podge O Connor Marcus Mangan Peter Crowley Pa Kilkenny Tommy Walsh Bryan Sheehan Daithi Casey Darran O Sullivan Paul O Donoghue Thomas Hickey Alan FitzGerald Conor Keane
Im guessing a few of these lads will be involved with colleges but would like to see them getting some game time.
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Post by sidelined on Oct 1, 2014 12:58:28 GMT
any word on the three lads who left for america at the start of the summer, are they staying over?. would have to start at juniors and work their up if they returned. probably just opened can of worms.
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Post by keane on Oct 1, 2014 13:28:26 GMT
Which three is that? I remember Conor Cox going who is probably one but who were the other two?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 1, 2014 14:25:07 GMT
Which three is that? I remember Conor Cox going who is probably one but who were the other two? David Culhane another. I imagine Culhane is back in the country. McGuire is staying as far as we all know.
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Post by shannonsider on Oct 1, 2014 14:33:02 GMT
Which three is that? I remember Conor Cox going who is probably one but who were the other two? David Culhane another. I imagine Culhane is back in the country.McGuire is staying as far as we all know. Yep. He'll be lining out against South Kerry at the weekend. James Walsh was the other one of the trio mentioned I think. He was over in Boston and won a championship there this summer. Played good stuff I'm told.
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Post by givehimaball on Oct 1, 2014 14:49:21 GMT
Cox, Culhane and Walsh went for the summer on J1s - given the amount of injuries Kerry had this summer I'd imagine they are all regretting the decision now. I thought it was a very odd/unusual decision at the time and you'd have to think it done their chances of nailing down a place in the Kerry squad no help.
McGuire went on a more permanent basis - working with horses in Kentucky - his degree was equine studies
The four of them plus Gooch and Tommy Walsh would make a pretty decent nucleus for a Kerry 15 who didnt play championship this summer.
I heard Eanna O'Connor was playing some serious ball in Kildare and I had heard that the other Geaney was doing decent in Meath (but that was a bit back)
Any other candidates out there for when the inevitable Kerry split comes?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 1, 2014 15:00:51 GMT
Cox, Culhane and Walsh went for the summer on J1s - given the amount of injuries Kerry had this summer I'd imagine they are all regretting the decision now. I thought it was a very odd/unusual decision at the time and you'd have to think it done their chances of nailing down a place in the Kerry squad no help. McGuire went on a more permanent basis - working with horses in Kentucky - his degree was equine studies The four of them plus Gooch and Tommy Walsh would make a pretty decent nucleus for a Kerry 15 who didnt play championship this summer. I heard Eanna O'Connor was playing some serious ball in Kildare and I had heard that the other Geaney was doing decent in Meath (but that was a bit back) Any other candidates out there for when the inevitable Kerry split comes? Geaney in Meath would be 29/30 now.
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Post by givehimaball on Oct 1, 2014 15:30:15 GMT
Geaney in Meath would be 29/30 now. Not really suggesting him as a realistic option - more a possible for selection into the Alternative Universe Kerry Championship Team of 2014
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Post by veteran on Oct 1, 2014 21:12:22 GMT
I had a quick look at one of the papers today and some guy was hazarding a guess at what the Kerry team might look like next year with the return of Colm and Tommy Walsh. He put Colm on the forty with Tommy at full forward. I suppose that is not an unreasonable suggestion but I quickly dismissed his opinion when he placed Killian Spillane in the left corner instead of Paul Geaney. Yes, that's what the man did.
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Post by kerryeye on Oct 1, 2014 21:25:37 GMT
I had a quick look at one of the papers today and some guy was hazarding a guess at what the Kerry team might look like next year with the return of Colm and Tommy Walsh. He put Colm on the forty with Tommy at full forward. I suppose that is not an unreasonable suggestion but I quickly dismissed his opinion when he placed Killian Spillane in the left corner instead of Paul Geaney. Yes, that's what the man did. It wasn't Uncle Pat was it?! Come championship next year I'd like to see this six Donnachadh, Gooch, O Brien Geaney,Walsh, James O D The players being left out will be unbelievably unlucky, Buckley, Mikey Geaney, Donaghy, Sheehan,BJK. The options we have are frightening at the moment. Obviously there will be otehr injury worries and loss of form to contend with as the year goes on. And hopefully we will see Killian Spillane in a senior jersey in the years to come,but lets let him establish himself with u21s first.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 1, 2014 21:29:43 GMT
Shocking that people are culling Star already. Kerry would not have Sam at the moment without the man. JB had a stand-out business end to the championship.
Tommy and Colm have a lot of work to do.
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Post by wowwow on Oct 1, 2014 21:51:25 GMT
forgetting Declan o Sullivan? he ll be there. just needs to get knees done and back for one last year at full pelt
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Post by Premier on Oct 1, 2014 22:22:36 GMT
forgetting Declan o Sullivan? he ll be there. just needs to get knees done and back for one last year at full pelt You're safe enough there, that was Declan's last hurrah
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Post by mossie on Oct 1, 2014 23:34:42 GMT
I had a quick look at one of the papers today and some guy was hazarding a guess at what the Kerry team might look like next year with the return of Colm and Tommy Walsh. He put Colm on the forty with Tommy at full forward. I suppose that is not an unreasonable suggestion but I quickly dismissed his opinion when he placed Killian Spillane in the left corner instead of Paul Geaney. Yes, that's what the man did. It wasn't Uncle Pat was it?! Come championship next year I'd like to see this six Donnachadh, Gooch, O Brien Geaney,Walsh, James O D The players being left out will be unbelievably unlucky, Buckley, Mikey Geaney, Donaghy, Sheehan,BJK. The options we have are frightening at the moment. Obviously there will be otehr injury worries and loss of form to contend with as the year goes on. And hopefully we will see Killian Spillane in a senior jersey in the years to come,but lets let him establish himself with u21s first. The Dubs thought their options were frightening in 2013. I get concerned when people use vocabulary like that around teams especially their own supporters
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Post by dano on Oct 2, 2014 0:41:33 GMT
The Dubs are the Dubs Mossie and Kerry are Kerry! Take a look at the stats.
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Post by keane on Oct 2, 2014 9:39:28 GMT
I had a quick look at one of the papers today and some guy was hazarding a guess at what the Kerry team might look like next year with the return of Colm and Tommy Walsh. He put Colm on the forty with Tommy at full forward. I suppose that is not an unreasonable suggestion but I quickly dismissed his opinion when he placed Killian Spillane in the left corner instead of Paul Geaney. Yes, that's what the man did. Saw that as well - my eyes rolled so far I could see the back of my own head! I've been puzzling over where Gooch will end up playing mostly. Putting him in the HF line would mean a bit of a system change from this year's tactics. I wonder if it might end up with Buckley and Tommy both in the half forward line with an eye on Dublin's array of ball winners around the middle.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 2, 2014 10:02:57 GMT
...Dublin's array of ball winners around the middle. Who are these ball winners you speak of?
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 2, 2014 10:06:36 GMT
We don't know what kind of player Tommy will come back as, and if he will be as good as the one that departed or will be a better version. Looking in from the outside, it would seem that he has not played competitive football for 5 years. That is a gap that will need to be addressed during the NFL. It is impossible to know where he will play on the team in 2015. He will have a lot of work to do.
That looked like a space filling exercise on the Indo regarding Kerry's possible like up in 2015.
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Post by keane on Oct 2, 2014 10:12:28 GMT
Who are these ball winners you speak of? Sorry, possibly a poor description. What I mean is that when Dublin dominate a lot of it is down to the ability of the likes of McCarthy, Connolly and Flynn to win primary possession between the 65s, and you might want to combat that by having the likes of Buckley and Tommy on the wings to make the idea of kicking the ball out there a bit less appealing.
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Post by sidelined on Oct 2, 2014 10:22:52 GMT
Which three is that? I remember Conor Cox going who is probably one but who were the other two? sorry for being vague, conor cox , david culhane and james walsh were the three i was referring to. when they left [2 were on panel] prospects looked bleak for silverware. brian mcguire was a different situation; had to go for career benefit. rotten timing for him, a player who would have gotten game time during the campaign.
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Post by sidelined on Oct 2, 2014 10:27:59 GMT
would tommy walsh develop into the no 6 position?. star [maybe as captain] at full forward , gooch at 11. tommy would have the physique to man centre back and god help aidan o shea and diarmuid connelly then if they took him on. great dilemma to have.
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Post by kerryexile on Oct 2, 2014 11:19:41 GMT
Some interesting points. I didn’t know there was a Geaney in Meath, - if he is not too far off the standard for Kerry and has not played for Kerry, why has he not thrown in his lot with Meath? In their current “transition” they could do with him.
I agree that Killian Spillane does need just 1 or 2 seasons at U21 and (maybe) Sigerson Cup but should then be introduced. No long apprenticeship here. I think our lack of success at U21 has to some extent been made up for by success at Sigerson Cup.
I think that a game plan could be devised where Tommy Walsh & Donaghy could play together.
One option that is open to Eamonn is to adopt a Cody like approach. Savagely intensive training and the best 6 forwards in the weeks leading up to a game getting the jerseys. It is starting to sound a bit Dublinesque here but I suppose it is the closed season and I’m sure Eamonn will keep them well grounded come the new season.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 2, 2014 12:01:41 GMT
Who are these ball winners you speak of? Sorry, possibly a poor description. What I mean is that when Dublin dominate a lot of it is down to the ability of the likes of McCarthy, Connolly and Flynn to win primary possession between the 65s, and you might want to combat that by having the likes of Buckley and Tommy on the wings to make the idea of kicking the ball out there a bit less appealing. Would that not be on the basis of their movement, dynamism and athleticism rather than size... which I presume you are getting at?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 2, 2014 12:02:59 GMT
Some interesting points. I didn’t know there was a Geaney in Meath, - if he is not too far off the standard for Kerry and has not played for Kerry, why has he not thrown in his lot with Meath? In their current “transition” they could do with him. I agree that Killian Spillane does need just 1 or 2 seasons at U21 and (maybe) Sigerson Cup but should then be introduced. No long apprenticeship here. I think our lack of success at U21 has to some extent been made up for by success at Sigerson Cup. I think that a game plan could be devised where Tommy Walsh & Donaghy could play together. One option that is open to Eamonn is to adopt a Cody like approach. Savagely intensive training and the best 6 forwards in the weeks leading up to a game getting the jerseys. It is starting to sound a bit Dublinesque here but I suppose it is the closed season and I’m sure Eamonn will keep them well grounded come the new season. He played a bit of league beside Star in, I think, 2011. He played in Croke Park in the league, took a heavy collision and was taken off --- against his wishes.
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