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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 13, 2014 12:57:36 GMT
Visiting site for first time. Mayo supporter. Its like fort knox signing up!! I'm looking forward to the 24th. It's been an awful long time since we beat Kerry in championship (1996) so we owe you one at this stage :-) I have a feeling Cork kept their powder dry in Munster Final then hoped to catch Mayo cold in the QF. Kerry did what they had to do against Galway, no more and no less. I think it will be another close encounter, with Mayo winning by 2 in the end. Question for all supporters, name the strongest and weakest lines for both teams....PS safe travels to all going to the game That's an awful screen name for a Mayo man! And yeah, a great game hopefully, Mayo ever the sporting and classy purist footballers.
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Post by ansúilleabhánach on Aug 13, 2014 13:04:56 GMT
First of all, the time was more than up by about 45 seconds. Hurling final allusion. The rest is opinion; the fact is they lost by 1, we lost by 7. BUT! I'm not saying we won't win on Sunday week.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 13, 2014 13:16:10 GMT
First of all, the time was more than up by about 45 seconds. Hurling final allusion. The rest is opinion; the fact is they lost by 1, we lost by 7. BUT! I'm not saying we won't win on Sunday week. Good allusion! In the hurling final how much over the actual/stated time to go was allowed on? And what happened during that time, prior to the score? My vague memory is of a Cork player either wasting time or fouling a Clare player below the Cusack near the railway end?
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Post by seamo on Aug 13, 2014 20:10:13 GMT
Visiting site for first time. Mayo supporter. Its like fort knox signing up!! I'm looking forward to the 24th. It's been an awful long time since we beat Kerry in championship (1996) so we owe you one at this stage :-) I have a feeling Cork kept their powder dry in Munster Final then hoped to catch Mayo cold in the QF. Kerry did what they had to do against Galway, no more and no less. I think it will be another close encounter, with Mayo winning by 2 in the end. Question for all supporters, name the strongest and weakest lines for both teams....PS safe travels to all going to the game Might be to keep out a former contributor who was a King in all Betfair outlets Nationwide!!! lol Kerry, strongest: Full forward line; weakest: Midfield Mayo, strongest: half back line; weakest: full forward line ...I think it's safe to say we all hope the winner of this one is also successful in September!
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Post by fitz on Aug 14, 2014 0:07:59 GMT
A thought.When Mayo are going feersh well, two players that specifically stand out in forwards are Dillon and McLoughlin. In their last two final losses, both have been poor. Dillon has had a lot of heartache in particular going back to 04. Fine player and great man to puck a point from distance. Would love to see him win a medal, just not at our expense. I'd say very considerable effort will be put in to shut him down, to then unhinge the other chess pieces. His contribution against Cork was vital.
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Post by keane on Aug 14, 2014 17:57:57 GMT
Think Doherty will be a key player in this one. I suppose it will be Young marking him, I'd probably prefer it were Crowley.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Aug 15, 2014 9:32:46 GMT
Having watched some of the Cork v Mayo game back again I think that Mayos weakness is if you can get at their full back line. They do drop men back etc and have lads the sweep in front of the full back line to protect it as well. Maybe we might see a return to the high ball again for the semi? Why go through Mayo when you can go over it.
Mayo I presume will put Higgins or Cafferkey on JO'D. I think it will be Cafferky but it could be either. Geaney as we saw with UCC earlier this year is fantastic in the air and this is where it can be won. I wouldnt be suprised if Eamonn mixes it up a lot more against Mayo with the high ball. I think if Sheehan starts we could see him floating around the full forward line for a few mins with Buckley moving in and out of midfield as well. We always have Donaghy who can come on (even if he is off form, even the nuisance value). I think we will start fairly orthodox but impose a different style.
Also if we are letting in long high ones from out the field every so often the Mayo half backs are going to have to turn to face their own goals so we can keep them on the back foot.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 15, 2014 10:18:14 GMT
Having watched some of the Cork v Mayo game back again I think that Mayos weakness is if you can get at their full back line. They do drop men back etc and have lads the sweep in front of the full back line to protect it as well. Maybe we might see a return to the high ball again for the semi? Why go through Mayo when you can go over it. Mayo I presume will put Higgins or Cafferkey on JO'D. I think it will be Cafferky but it could be either. Geaney as we saw with UCC earlier this year is fantastic in the air and this is where it can be won. I wouldnt be suprised if Eamonn mixes it up a lot more against Mayo with the high ball. I think if Sheehan starts we could see him floating around the full forward line for a few mins with Buckley moving in and out of midfield as well. We always have Donaghy who can come on (even if he is off form, even the nuisance value). I think we will start fairly orthodox but impose a different style. Also if we are letting in long high ones from out the field every so often the Mayo half backs are going to have to turn to face their own goals so we can keep them on the back foot. Good post AWB, interesting insight into the game. If Kerry hold Mayo's go too forwards, which still seem to be Dillon and Moran, both slowing in terms of pace and frustrate Cillian O'Connor it will reduce Mayo's scoring threat significantly. A high enough percentage of Mayo's scores also tend to come from the O'Sheas, Vaughan, keegan and even Higgins driving forward from the back. Kerry's tactics will be interesting the next day in a game that will be there to be won from a Kerry perception.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 10:41:25 GMT
I would imagine AOM will be picking up Aidan O Shea on the 40. O'Shea has not great pace and AOM will match him in the physical stakes. Aidan o Shea would eat AOM all day. AOM has lost his pace and power, we will see how ye get on with him the next day. In all fairness ye have lost the gooch which is Massive for Kerry. I dont think ye have enough upfront and overall team for the winning of this game. Mayo by minimum of 3.
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Post by keane on Aug 15, 2014 11:05:23 GMT
If Cafferkey is put on JOD it would give us a great chance. He is very overrated at the best of times and is having a very poor year on top of it.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 15, 2014 14:56:15 GMT
Just look at the gap in management expertise, Kerry will win this one from the sidelines, you wouldn't even know Donie was still with Mayo this year; is he?
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Post by Jigz84 on Aug 15, 2014 15:30:16 GMT
Just look at the gap in management expertise, Kerry will win this one from the sidelines, you wouldn't even know Donie was still with Mayo this year; is he? Ah come on K Man in fairness. Yes Fitz has done a few things tactically well but when it really mattered in the second half of the Semi last year the line was clueless. Yes Buckley is still with Mayo, he's responsible for their ability to turn over possession. On another note, I've seen several posters claim that Kerry were wiped out at midfield v Galway. Kerry actually broke even lads and Galway actually won a fair bit of ball v Mayo too. Watch the start of that game, Galway wasted as many chances at the start v Mayo as they did v Kerry.
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Post by fitz on Aug 16, 2014 0:21:46 GMT
When it really mattered Jig, there was nothing on the bench to be clued into. The call with Sherwood on McMenamin was good, but someone or others on the field went off script. The bench structure looks better this year with options in a few positions. With Gooch alas, the peacock might have be dusted off for the semi anyway. I think the semi is 50/50 but the Dubs a bridge too far, for this year. I think in twelve months with health we might be looking to stake greater claims. At worst for this year our younger players will have had their apprenticeships fast-tracked. It all looks good from a trajectory perspective to me anyway.
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Post by The16thMan on Aug 16, 2014 2:47:55 GMT
I would imagine AOM will be picking up Aidan O Shea on the 40. O'Shea has not great pace and AOM will match him in the physical stakes. Aidan o Shea would eat AOM all day. AOM has lost his pace and power, we will see how ye get on with him the next day. In all fairness ye have lost the gooch which is Massive for Kerry. I dont think ye have enough upfront and overall team for the winning of this game. Mayo by minimum of 3. 'Mayo4Sam' you seem like a very confident fellow for a person who is from a county who haven't won an All-Ireland since 1951 and haven't beaten Kerry in the championship since 1996. Yes Mayo are a formidable side on their day and are in the top 3 teams in the country. I respect Mayo as a side and would like to see them lift Sam some day just not at Kerry's expense. When you said "Mayo by a minimum of 3" I hope you are joking. Mayo indeed have quality players that have proven themselves at certain big stages but they have still yet to pocket the celtic cross. While some of the players that Kerry have such as Marc O Se and as you previously mentioned Aidan O'Mahony might not be playing in the peak of their careers they certainly have the experience required to close out a big game. Hopefully the Mayo players are thinking the same as yourself, that all they have to do is turn up to win the game. This mentality cost Kerry dearly down the years going back to Down in 2010 the three Tyrone games and Armagh in 2002. I personally think it will be a good open game of football and it is too close to make any predictions as to which side will win, I said Kerry in a previous post and although I don't doubt Kerry's ability I don't doubt Mayo's either.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 14:25:15 GMT
I would not put Aidan O'Mahony on Aidan O'Shea no way he will run him into the ground . O'Mahony does not have the legs for him . If he plays at no.11 you could see Fionn or Killian picking him up . It will be interesting to see if Kerry go with Crowley in the backs or keep the same Backs . The bigger question is who will run with Seamus O'Shea ? He can run all day and he will be up and down the field . There is no way you could put Maher or Sheehan Marking him they wont be able to stay with him . Do you ask Paul Murphy who is playing superb to go with him . He does not have the Physical build but he does have the legs and is a great man marker . The starting 15 will be interesting .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 16:24:02 GMT
I watched kerrys last game against galway. If galway had taken their scores, we would be playing them in the semi final. Mayo played a very much improved cork a division 1 team, I think kerry would have struggled against them the last day. I hope it will be a good competitive game the next day but I feel overall we have the stronger bench. We have done just enough in each game to get over the line, but there will be a big change in our performance the next game. You mention celtic crosses, they wont matter the next day its a semi final. Its been a while since kerry have beaten mayo,albeit league, so there is no fear of the kerry jersey. There is steel in this mayo team and they are on a journey, ye won't stand in our way. I mentioned 3 points minimum, and I still stick by it. This is fitzmaurices 3 rd season so all pressure will be on yourselves to perform. Maigh eo abu. Aidan o Shea would eat AOM all day. AOM has lost his pace and power, we will see how ye get on with him the next day. In all fairness ye have lost the gooch which is Massive for Kerry. I dont think ye have enough upfront and overall team for the winning of this game. Mayo by minimum of 3. 'Mayo4Sam' you seem like a very confident fellow for a person who is from a county who haven't won an All-Ireland since 1951 and haven't beaten Kerry in the championship since 1996. Yes Mayo are a formidable side on their day and are in the top 3 teams in the country. I respect Mayo as a side and would like to see them lift Sam some day just not at Kerry's expense. When you said "Mayo by a minimum of 3" I hope you are joking. Mayo indeed have quality players that have proven themselves at certain big stages but they have still yet to pocket the celtic cross. While some of the players that Kerry have such as Marc O Se and as you previously mentioned Aidan O'Mahony might not be playing in the peak of their careers they certainly have the experience required to close out a big game. Hopefully the Mayo players are thinking the same as yourself, that all they have to do is turn up to win the game. This mentality cost Kerry dearly down the years going back to Down in 2010 the three Tyrone games and Armagh in 2002. I personally think it will be a good open game of football and it is too close to make any predictions as to which side will win, I said Kerry in a previous post and although I don't doubt Kerry's ability I don't doubt Mayo's either.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 16, 2014 16:54:09 GMT
I watched kerrys last game against galway. If galway had taken their scores, we would be playing them in the semi final. Mayo played a very much improved cork a division 1 team, I think kerry would have struggled against them the last day. I hope it will be a good competitive game the next day but I feel overall we have the stronger bench. We have done just enough in each game to get over the line, but there will be a big change in our performance the next game. You mention celtic crosses, they wont matter the next day its a semi final. Its been a while since kerry have beaten mayo,albeit league, so there is no fear of the kerry jersey. There is steel in this mayo team and they are on a journey, ye won't stand in our way. I mentioned 3 points minimum, and I still stick by it. This is fitzmaurices 3 rd season so all pressure will be on yourselves to perform. Maigh eo abu. 'Mayo4Sam' you seem like a very confident fellow for a person who is from a county who haven't won an All-Ireland since 1951 and haven't beaten Kerry in the championship since 1996. Yes Mayo are a formidable side on their day and are in the top 3 teams in the country. I respect Mayo as a side and would like to see them lift Sam some day just not at Kerry's expense. When you said "Mayo by a minimum of 3" I hope you are joking. Mayo indeed have quality players that have proven themselves at certain big stages but they have still yet to pocket the celtic cross. While some of the players that Kerry have such as Marc O Se and as you previously mentioned Aidan O'Mahony might not be playing in the peak of their careers they certainly have the experience required to close out a big game. Hopefully the Mayo players are thinking the same as yourself, that all they have to do is turn up to win the game. This mentality cost Kerry dearly down the years going back to Down in 2010 the three Tyrone games and Armagh in 2002. I personally think it will be a good open game of football and it is too close to make any predictions as to which side will win, I said Kerry in a previous post and although I don't doubt Kerry's ability I don't doubt Mayo's either. Ye have the form the be favourites but not the history to be arrogant about it.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 16, 2014 17:05:37 GMT
Having watched some of the Cork v Mayo game back again I think that Mayos weakness is if you can get at their full back line. They do drop men back etc and have lads the sweep in front of the full back line to protect it as well. Maybe we might see a return to the high ball again for the semi? Why go through Mayo when you can go over it. Mayo I presume will put Higgins or Cafferkey on JO'D. I think it will be Cafferky but it could be either. Geaney as we saw with UCC earlier this year is fantastic in the air and this is where it can be won. I wouldnt be suprised if Eamonn mixes it up a lot more against Mayo with the high ball. I think if Sheehan starts we could see him floating around the full forward line for a few mins with Buckley moving in and out of midfield as well. We always have Donaghy who can come on (even if he is off form, even the nuisance value). I think we will start fairly orthodox but impose a different style. Also if we are letting in long high ones from out the field every so often the Mayo half backs are going to have to turn to face their own goals so we can keep them on the back foot. I think that's an interesting point about the long ball against Mayo. Supposedly since last year they have focussed on dealing with that. Donegal did them damage in 2012 (and Dublin should have in the semi only Brogan missed a sitter) and Dublin last year with goals from long high ball. Havn't see mcuh this year but I wonder have Mayo looked more solid or did Cork get some joy against them that way?
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 16, 2014 17:21:30 GMT
I would not put Aidan O'Mahony on Aidan O'Shea no way he will run him into the ground . O'Mahony does not have the legs for him . If he plays at no.11 you could see Fionn or Killian picking him up . It will be interesting to see if Kerry go with Crowley in the backs or keep the same Backs . The bigger question is who will run with Seamus O'Shea ? He can run all day and he will be up and down the field . There is no way you could put Maher or Sheehan Marking him they wont be able to stay with him . Do you ask Paul Murphy who is playing superb to go with him . He does not have the Physical build but he does have the legs and is a great man marker . The starting 15 will be interesting . I don't know about AOS - when he gets plenty of ball he looks great but when he has to really struggle for possession he can get demoralised. If AOM or whoever is on him, good positioning, anticipation, and a very strong mentality will go a long way. Alot depends on how well Kerry use the ball and how well they deny Mayo the chance to get AOS on the ball. Plus Kerry would want to watch Aidan's brother, he is always very effective and the kind of player Kerry have struggled to deal with over the past couple of years I think.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 16, 2014 17:33:00 GMT
I watched kerrys last game against galway. If galway had taken their scores, we would be playing them in the semi final. Mayo played a very much improved cork a division 1 team, I think kerry would have struggled against them the last day. I hope it will be a good competitive game the next day but I feel overall we have the stronger bench. We have done just enough in each game to get over the line, but there will be a big change in our performance the next game. You mention celtic crosses, they wont matter the next day its a semi final. Its been a while since kerry have beaten mayo,albeit league, so there is no fear of the kerry jersey. There is steel in this mayo team and they are on a journey, ye won't stand in our way. I mentioned 3 points minimum, and I still stick by it. This is fitzmaurices 3 rd season so all pressure will be on yourselves to perform. Maigh eo abu. 'Mayo4Sam' you seem like a very confident fellow for a person who is from a county who haven't won an All-Ireland since 1951 and haven't beaten Kerry in the championship since 1996. Yes Mayo are a formidable side on their day and are in the top 3 teams in the country. I respect Mayo as a side and would like to see them lift Sam some day just not at Kerry's expense. When you said "Mayo by a minimum of 3" I hope you are joking. Mayo indeed have quality players that have proven themselves at certain big stages but they have still yet to pocket the celtic cross. While some of the players that Kerry have such as Marc O Se and as you previously mentioned Aidan O'Mahony might not be playing in the peak of their careers they certainly have the experience required to close out a big game. Hopefully the Mayo players are thinking the same as yourself, that all they have to do is turn up to win the game. This mentality cost Kerry dearly down the years going back to Down in 2010 the three Tyrone games and Armagh in 2002. I personally think it will be a good open game of football and it is too close to make any predictions as to which side will win, I said Kerry in a previous post and although I don't doubt Kerry's ability I don't doubt Mayo's either. Good points and great confidence Mayo4Sam. Though I would say Kerry always looked like winning the game against Galway, who were merely gallant, popular losers on the day in truth. But only one team looked like they believed in winning and had the class to do it and that's a large part of winning anyway, history is littered with thousands of teams who "coulda, woulda, shoulda". I think one reason why this game is so fascinating is it will answer a fair few questions about where Kerry are, for now, and it will answer alot of questions about where Mayo are. Massive pressure on Mayo to want to really take the challenge of a 3rd final in a row, and to deal with being favourites to beat Kerry (last time they beat them was kind of an ambush, which Mayo specialise in, as Kerry were slight favourites if I recall correctly). I agree with you they have moved along just how they would have wanted so far this summer, and have reached this point with a much lower profile than last year at least. Also they have looked to address one or two deficits they seemed to have over the past 2 years, which apart from perhaps improving their team/game shows that they have perhaps come to terms with the defeats rather than continuing in denial mode. The big question about that though is, have they really exited the denial phase or just swept it under the magic carpet? I do think it's possible that Mayo were, for some reason, exhausted in the 2nd half of the final last year, and that signs of a growing fatigue/burnout/decline from peak were evident in the semi, relatively speaking. Or perhaps the semi was just a hangover from the peak of the quarter final, who knows? Certainly there seems a pattern each year that Mayo have reached All-I finals of one huge performance and then a decline, is there something mental in that? Do they invest too much in a peak too early, and then also not recover from the hangover the following year? They addressed the latter point last year, and so far this year, there has been no sign of peaking, so if they make the final with having neither really peaked, nor get caught out when favourites to win a game agains a top county/side, AND with a clear lack (so far) of hype around them, well it must be a perfect way to attempt another assault on the grail....
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 16, 2014 17:35:52 GMT
Just look at the gap in management expertise, Kerry will win this one from the sidelines, you wouldn't even know Donie was still with Mayo this year; is he? Ah come on K Man in fairness. Yes Fitz has done a few things tactically well but when it really mattered in the second half of the Semi last year the line was clueless. Yes Buckley is still with Mayo, he's responsible for their ability to turn over possession. On another note, I've seen several posters claim that Kerry were wiped out at midfield v Galway. Kerry actually broke even lads and Galway actually won a fair bit of ball v Mayo too. Watch the start of that game, Galway wasted as many chances at the start v Mayo as they did v Kerry. My main contention is that I simply don't believe in Horan and yeah, the tackling was classic v Donegal last year. What would you have done with us in the 2nd half last year? I wouldn't be sure it was lost from the sideline. Re MF did you know Maher was all strapped up?
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 16, 2014 17:45:01 GMT
I watched kerrys last game against galway. If galway had taken their scores, we would be playing them in the semi final. Mayo played a very much improved cork a division 1 team, I think kerry would have struggled against them the last day. I hope it will be a good competitive game the next day but I feel overall we have the stronger bench. We have done just enough in each game to get over the line, but there will be a big change in our performance the next game. You mention celtic crosses, they wont matter the next day its a semi final. Its been a while since kerry have beaten mayo,albeit league, so there is no fear of the kerry jersey. There is steel in this mayo team and they are on a journey, ye won't stand in our way. I mentioned 3 points minimum, and I still stick by it. This is fitzmaurices 3 rd season so all pressure will be on yourselves to perform. Maigh eo abu. Ye have the form the be favourites but not the history to be arrogant about it. Ah jazus Tomás go aisy on the poor Mayo lad, predicting a 3 point win isn't arrogant. Maybe I'm being hard myself by saying that Horan isn't up to it; I do think though that he is more a follower than a leader and there is very little novelty apart from Donie's and the natural talent of the players and which is a joy to watch. I am just not looking forward though to experiencing Mayo people after yet another defeat, although as it is only a semi they will probably have arranged to go home after the game.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 16, 2014 17:53:23 GMT
Ye have the form the be favourites but not the history to be arrogant about it. Ah jazus Tomás go aisy on the poor Mayo lad, predicting a 3 point win isn't arrogant. Maybe I'm being hard myself by saying that Horan isn't up to it; I do think though that he is more a follower than a leader and there is very little novelty apart from Donie's and the natural talent of the players and which is a joy to watch. I am just not looking forward though to experiencing Mayo people after yet another defeat, although as it is only a semi they will probably have arranged to go home after the game. That's dangerous thinking K-Man, feeling sorry for your opponent before you've played them! I agree with you that I think Horan would be better in a slightly less responsible role. All successful counties need a head coach that really is comfortable in the role. By the way, Mayo4Sam said "at least 3 points"..........I think he/she is probably young.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 16, 2014 18:26:09 GMT
Ah jazus Tomás go aisy on the poor Mayo lad, predicting a 3 point win isn't arrogant. Maybe I'm being hard myself by saying that Horan isn't up to it; I do think though that he is more a follower than a leader and there is very little novelty apart from Donie's and the natural talent of the players and which is a joy to watch. I am just not looking forward though to experiencing Mayo people after yet another defeat, although as it is only a semi they will probably have arranged to go home after the game. That's dangerous thinking K-Man, feeling sorry for your opponent before you've played them! I agree with you that I think Horan would be better in a slightly less responsible role. All successful counties need a head coach that really is comfortable in the role. By the way, Mayo4Sam said "at least 3 points"..........I think he/she is probably young. He ain't my opponent, he is a sporting man who is a friend I haven't met, a Frenemy, my friend all year bar that 70 mins when we are enemies in battle. I have utmost for Mayo GAA folk. Don't know how you can guess the Mayo man's age, sure maybe 'tis a woman?
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Post by seamo on Aug 16, 2014 21:58:27 GMT
I watched kerrys last game against galway. If galway had taken their scores, we would be playing them in the semi final. Mayo played a very much improved cork a division 1 team, I think kerry would have struggled against them the last day. I hope it will be a good competitive game the next day but I feel overall we have the stronger bench. We have done just enough in each game to get over the line, but there will be a big change in our performance the next game. You mention celtic crosses, they wont matter the next day its a semi final. Its been a while since kerry have beaten mayo,albeit league, so there is no fear of the kerry jersey. There is steel in this mayo team and they are on a journey, ye won't stand in our way. I mentioned 3 points minimum, and I still stick by it. This is fitzmaurices 3 rd season so all pressure will be on yourselves to perform. Maigh eo abu. 'Mayo4Sam' you seem like a very confident fellow for a person who is from a county who haven't won an All-Ireland since 1951 and haven't beaten Kerry in the championship since 1996. Yes Mayo are a formidable side on their day and are in the top 3 teams in the country. I respect Mayo as a side and would like to see them lift Sam some day just not at Kerry's expense. When you said "Mayo by a minimum of 3" I hope you are joking. Mayo indeed have quality players that have proven themselves at certain big stages but they have still yet to pocket the celtic cross. While some of the players that Kerry have such as Marc O Se and as you previously mentioned Aidan O'Mahony might not be playing in the peak of their careers they certainly have the experience required to close out a big game. Hopefully the Mayo players are thinking the same as yourself, that all they have to do is turn up to win the game. This mentality cost Kerry dearly down the years going back to Down in 2010 the three Tyrone games and Armagh in 2002. I personally think it will be a good open game of football and it is too close to make any predictions as to which side will win, I said Kerry in a previous post and although I don't doubt Kerry's ability I don't doubt Mayo's either. ah come on, that kind of sums up what your saying really!!! No pressure on Mayo so? Ye are favourites the next day; runners up last year; all players available (Gouch ain't making an appearance for us the next day); ye've been building for an AI for ~3years now; should have won an AI last year and this is seen as yer last chance, whereas we are seen as being in a sort of transitional period. So I'm afraid all the pressure is on Mayo...but maybe your only saying otherwise because you fear what the pressure will do to yer players (forwards in particular!!) again!!!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 17, 2014 0:43:19 GMT
I watched kerrys last game against galway. If galway had taken their scores, we would be playing them in the semi final. Mayo played a very much improved cork a division 1 team, I think kerry would have struggled against them the last day. I hope it will be a good competitive game the next day but I feel overall we have the stronger bench. We have done just enough in each game to get over the line, but there will be a big change in our performance the next game. You mention celtic crosses, they wont matter the next day its a semi final. Its been a while since kerry have beaten mayo,albeit league, so there is no fear of the kerry jersey. There is steel in this mayo team and they are on a journey, ye won't stand in our way. I mentioned 3 points minimum, and I still stick by it. This is fitzmaurices 3 rd season so all pressure will be on yourselves to perform. Maigh eo abu. ah come on, that kind of sums up what your saying really!!! No pressure on Mayo so? Ye are favourites the next day; runners up last year; all players available (Gouch ain't making an appearance for us the next day); ye've been building for an AI for ~3years now; should have won an AI last year and this is seen as yer last chance, whereas we are seen as being in a sort of transitional period. So I'm afraid all the pressure is on Mayo...but maybe your only saying otherwise because you fear what the pressure will do to yer players (forwards in particular!!) again!!! Surely one of ye knows this is EF's second year??
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 17, 2014 1:37:18 GMT
What's in that pipe? Give the Mayo man a chance. John B Keane used to say the best way to motivate a Kerryman was to tell him that The Mayo lad was slightly better than him, then the Kerryman would get such a temper that he would work unknownst to himself. Mayo are friends of Kerry in purist football and may the best team win Sam. If it’s not us then nobody will begrudge them. They have been noble in defeat, never a bad word said and which is not always the case across all sports.
And to our Mayo man, enjoy your day and I'll be first to congratulate you if you beat us, it's only what you'd expect of us, we are all cut of the same cloth.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 17, 2014 11:05:14 GMT
All commentators are suggesting that Mayo will win the middle third.
I don't believe this is a foregone conclusion.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 17, 2014 12:55:29 GMT
All commentators are suggesting that Mayo will win the middle third. I don't believe this is a foregone conclusion. I think they are overrated there a bit and one of the reasons why Kerry people seem to fear that sector is that they themselves were some of the people talking the Mayo middle area up the past two years. It's interesting to look at the semi last year, the way Tyrone controlled possession for much of the first half. Then Tyrone lost Harte and the ref was giving some tough decisions against them that helped Mayo get right back into it. I think the main source of Mayo's takeover in that game was their half-backs, and once they got on top the midfielders got the ball and space to power through. Like quite a few teams, give some lads the ball and space in abundance and they will take you apart, control the game/the ball to a sufficent extent and you prevent that. So of course the Kerry half-forwards will have to be very intensely hard-working and good enough. The Kerry full-forwards at least will keep some of the Mayo backs tied up enough just marking, chasing etc that they won't be able to easily get control of possession and set up the middle 8 (if you like) with the material to do the damage. So how will Kerry do better than Tyrone, apart from luck and a kinder ref? If they have the pace and power to match Mayo. Tyrone didn't. Quality in the forwards - Kerry are at least as good as Tyrone, probably better. When Tyrone had control of possession, they were getting the scores. Defensive system - Tyrone used the swarm/counter-atack, once they went behind they had no way of changing the game, or just not the quality. It seems Kerry might also use a form of the counter-attack game, if they are going to do that they must keep their discipline for the whole game. It is a change in culture and it really depends on all their players being completely invested in it. If they are going to vary their game (which IMO might be a better policy) they need to be able to switch what they are doing smoothly, the lads on the field have to be able to make the right decisions and carry it out. If Kerry go with a very defensive counter-attack and get a lead they will need to be able to have an outlet when Mayo come chasing the game. To keep the scoreboard ticking over. What might Kerry lack? A Sean Cavanagh player who can dig them out of a hole, take a vital score no matter what is happening in the game. One day that might be JOD but it's alot to ask right now. Bryan Sheehan hasn't been nailing the game-saving/winning scores in the biggest games the last couple of years I feel, nor Dec OS. Somebody may well need to step up. Finally as regards the middle area, I have said before, talented player that he is, I don't think Anthony Maher is dominating or leading in games to the extent that Kerry need in the biggest games. I think Moran is capable of it if he can be fully match firt and in form.
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