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Post by Mickmack on Aug 4, 2014 12:26:53 GMT
Mayo will be favourites for good reason.
They should have it over Kerry in the middle of the field.
However, their greatest attribute is their ability to turn over ball and they took Cork apart by this tactic in the third quarter. O'Shea's goal came directly from one such turnover. Mayo look like a side that is pacing themselves and doing enough.
We desperately need Sheehan back for this one.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 4, 2014 13:24:58 GMT
I am preferring to live in cloud cuckoo land and say Kerry will win.
If Mayo do win I believe they will finally have the belief to go the whole way.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 4, 2014 15:03:35 GMT
What a prospect and anyone who thinks they can make money on this one is only a gambler. having said that I think Fitzie will expose Horan and who is good but greatness is required here. Will that be enough to get us across the line?
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Post by falveyb2k on Aug 4, 2014 18:17:29 GMT
I don't think Mayo are any great shakes to be honest(not that they couldn't take us on the day), one point victories over the likes of Roscommon and Cork wouldn't strike the fear of god into you. They're incredibly committed, work hard for each other and won't go down easy. But where we have the edge is our respective forward lines, I wouldn't bank on the Mayo forwards to equal our scoring if we can get any sort of parity around the middle. I expect a big improvement from our middle 8 the next day, thankfully it looks like Sheehan should make it
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Post by haryegsnbaken on Aug 4, 2014 18:45:35 GMT
I don't think Mayo are any great shakes to be honest(not that they couldn't take us on the day), one point victories over the likes of Roscommon and Cork wouldn't strike the fear of god into you. They're incredibly committed, work hard for each other and won't go down easy. But where we have the edge is our respective forward lines, I wouldn't bank on the Mayo forwards to equal our scoring if we can get any sort of parity around the middle. I expect a big improvement from our middle 8 the next day, thankfully it looks like Sheehan should make it Have you news on Brian falveyb2k?
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Post by suasciarrai on Aug 4, 2014 19:06:46 GMT
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Post by southward on Aug 4, 2014 21:44:12 GMT
Midfield will be critical next day out. If we get anything approaching parity here, I'd be very optimistic, but that's a big if. A repeat of yesterday's midfield performance and we're screwed.
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Post by keane on Aug 4, 2014 22:02:59 GMT
Mayo turned Cork over inside the Cork 65 9 (!) times which resulted in 1-5 for them.
If you are beaten in MF and have to resort to short kickouts you are in big trouble against Mayo as their forwards are unbelievable at stripping possession. Really need to get the ball beyond half way as quickly as possible which means this game will be a throwback to the good old days of "win midfield and you win the game".
Desperately need massive performances between the 45s.
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Post by asithappens on Aug 4, 2014 22:43:24 GMT
Match Betting: 4/5 Mayo 15/2 A Draw 11/8 Kerry
Handicap Betting:
11/10 Mayo (-1 Point) 17/2 A Handicap Draw (-1 Point) 10/11 Kerry (+1 Point)
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Post by townend on Aug 4, 2014 23:02:36 GMT
Midfield will be critical next day out. If we get anything approaching parity here, I'd be very optimistic, but that's a big if. A repeat of yesterday's midfield performance and we're screwed. David Moran should be in from the start the next day, that will be a big help.
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Post by sidelined on Aug 5, 2014 9:55:07 GMT
moran did quite well on sunday,despite couple of lazy handpasses, should start v mayo. peter crowley should be brought in at 6 to horse it out with aiden o shea. big fear if mayo switch o shea into 14 for a spell which of last sundays starting backs has the strenght to compete with him?
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Post by dontfoul on Aug 5, 2014 10:05:08 GMT
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Post by Glaschu Gael on Aug 5, 2014 11:10:48 GMT
Any idea when general admission tickets are likely to go on sale for this match ?
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Post by buck02 on Aug 5, 2014 11:19:33 GMT
Any idea when general admission tickets are likely to go on sale for this match ? Already are on tickets.ie
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Post by animal on Aug 5, 2014 11:42:24 GMT
I wouldn't be shouting as loudly for Moran to start against Mayo. While he was the more prominent midfielder for us on Sunday he coughed up possession too often for me. This is a trait that would be suicide against Mayo. Mayo are excellent at turning ball over and also like to run at defences from the turnovers. The trouble is Maher's form has nose-dived somewhat and it may be necessary to start David against Mayo provided Bryan returns to fitness. Ultimately Eamonn will choose his midfield based on form in training. We will have to support whoever he chooses at midfield and trust that he has made the correct decision.
Whoever he picks I would still have my concerns against Mayo who fared far better against that same Galway midfield. Having said that it has often been the case in the past that when we have worried most about our midfield in advance of a game they have come out on top.
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Post by Glaschu Gael on Aug 5, 2014 12:49:07 GMT
Any idea when general admission tickets are likely to go on sale for this match ? Already are on tickets.ie Sorry I meant Hill 16 tickets . I can't see them on sale yet anywhere
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Post by skybluezone on Aug 5, 2014 13:56:33 GMT
What a prospect and anyone who thinks they can make money on this one is only a gambler. having said that I think Fitzie will expose Horan and who is good but greatness is required here. Will that be enough to get us across the line? Disagree, don't think Horan is good at all. Major booboo in last ten minutes of final last year leaving Higgins on O'Gara, who was as lame as a man can be (wrecked hamstring if I remember rightly). A waste of Higgins. Wasn't impressed to see him have a go at Cork management after Sunday either, petty. Should have left it where it was and let the team do the talking. He must have a short memory himself, he had no issues influencing Joe McQuillan in the lead up to semi final 2012. On the game itself, I do agree, fascinating encounter in prospect. On the face of it, 1 to 15, I think Mayo are stronger than you, and have been at it with this bunch for 4 years. You're still tweaking, but growing. It's * or get off the pot this year for Mayo. Boom or Bust. At the moment I'm thinking that you might win it on the line, Fitzmaurice miles ahead of Horan, will read it better. I have an option to change my mind though!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 14:13:39 GMT
We need to get a grip in the middle and we need to win more loose ball around there . If Maher does start we need a huge game from him this is time to step up and show people he still deserves his place . If not I would make a change in there early . In O'Donoghue and Geaney we have 2 deadly finishers . It will be all about getting good ball in there if we can do that Kerry will win it . Hopefully O'Brien will back and Sheehan also . Mayo are not great at the back and if Hurley and O'Neill could have gotten more ball they would have won . The O'Shea brothers are the men that make them tick if we can stop them from winning ball around Midfield we will take away good ball going into Moran and O'Connor Marc and Enright will probably pick them up with O'Mahony or Murphy picking up Dillon . Who will mark Aidan O'Shea and who will take Seamus O'Shea is the Question . I don't expect Maher to go with them becuase they go all over the field so it will be interesting to see who follows them .
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Post by seamo on Aug 5, 2014 17:08:05 GMT
It's official now, Anthony Maher is untouchable! No matter how poorly he plays, the line still gets peddled that "he needs to improve" or "he needs to up his game". HE NEEDS TO BE DROPPED! I don't want to seem harsh on the guy, but we're going into an AI semi final, and since the McGrath cup he's played one decent game (Munster final). There are alternatives, and if Moran giving the ball away twice should keep him out ahead of Maher, than maybe Moran should follow Maher's example and not get the ball at all!!! lol
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 5, 2014 17:23:25 GMT
Mayo turned Cork over inside the Cork 65 9 (!) times which resulted in 1-5 for them. quote] that's some stat there Keane. 1.05 from 9 turnovers by Mayo last Sunday. Kerry won the midfield battle in the 2005 final pretty well but lost 1.05 and the final to turnovers by Tyrone. And no need to mention how the 2011 was lost to turnovers. While attention is naturally being given to Kerrys shortcomings at midfield, its the prospect of losing the ball to turnovers that concerns me most.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 5, 2014 17:24:30 GMT
Mayo turned Cork over inside the Cork 65 9 (!) times which resulted in 1-5 for them.
If you are beaten in MF and have to resort to short kickouts you are in big trouble against Mayo as their forwards are unbelievable at stripping possession. Really need to get the ball beyond half way as quickly as possible which means this game will be a throwback to the good old days of "win midfield and you win the game". Desperately need massive performances between the 45s. that's some stat there Keane. 1.05 from 9 turnovers by Mayo last Sunday. Kerry won the midfield battle in the 2005 final pretty well but lost 1.05 and the final to turnovers by Tyrone. And no need to mention how the 2011 was lost to turnovers. While attention is naturally being given to Kerrys shortcomings at midfield, its the prospect of losing the ball to turnovers that concerns me most
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Post by MeathExile on Aug 5, 2014 22:23:30 GMT
How about starting the forgotten man, Donaghy, at midfield? Has the physical strength without a doubt.....wonder how he is going in training. He must be disappointed not to get a run the last day.
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Post by sidelined on Aug 5, 2014 22:45:10 GMT
at this stage the most important thing is to have all players available. will sheehan , o brien and even declan be fit? any updates?.
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Post by seamo on Aug 5, 2014 22:58:46 GMT
at this stage the most important thing is to have all players available. will sheehan , o brien and even declan be fit? any updates?. From Kerry GAA: Kerry Senior Football Team Injury Update The following Injury Update, dated August 5th has been issued by the Kerry Senior Football Management Team: Injury Update Bryan Sheehan: has a strain in his hip flexor. He will resume training in a week. ...So looks positive.
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Post by athletics on Aug 5, 2014 23:07:09 GMT
Yes it looks positive alright about Bryan. Any updates on Steven O Brien?
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Post by animal on Aug 6, 2014 8:17:13 GMT
It's official now, Anthony Maher is untouchable! No matter how poorly he plays, the line still gets peddled that "he needs to improve" or "he needs to up his game". HE NEEDS TO BE DROPPED! I don't want to seem harsh on the guy, but we're going into an AI semi final, and since the McGrath cup he's played one decent game (Munster final). There are alternatives, and if Moran giving the ball away twice should keep him out ahead of Maher, than maybe Moran should follow Maher's example and not get the ball at all!!! lol If the Mayo game was on this coming Sunday the call for Maher to be dropped would carry much more weight. The fact is the game is three weeks from last Sunday. As I said in an earlier post the selection will be made based on form in training. If Maher stinks the place out in training over the next two weeks after his showing on Sunday he will be dropped. I suspect he will be given the chance to prove himself between now and then. Maher won't be immune to the criticism of his performances. What better motivation to improve? The competition between himself and Moran in training will be intense now which can only be a good thing for the team. We just have to trust Eamonn and the lads to make the right call as they see it.
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Post by seamo on Aug 6, 2014 8:52:16 GMT
It's official now, Anthony Maher is untouchable! No matter how poorly he plays, the line still gets peddled that "he needs to improve" or "he needs to up his game". HE NEEDS TO BE DROPPED! I don't want to seem harsh on the guy, but we're going into an AI semi final, and since the McGrath cup he's played one decent game (Munster final). There are alternatives, and if Moran giving the ball away twice should keep him out ahead of Maher, than maybe Moran should follow Maher's example and not get the ball at all!!! lol If the Mayo game was on this coming Sunday the call for Maher to be dropped would carry much more weight. The fact is the game is three weeks from last Sunday. As I said in an earlier post the selection will be made based on form in training. If Maher stinks the place out in training over the next two weeks after his showing on Sunday he will be dropped. I suspect he will be given the chance to prove himself between now and then. Maher won't be immune to the criticism of his performances. What better motivation to improve? The competition between himself and Moran in training will be intense now which can only be a good thing for the team. We just have to trust Eamonn and the lads to make the right call as they see it. Not to sound rude, but that's where your wrong. Moran played better in the league and only missed championship games through injury. It's all well and good to say a guy is flying in training and what not, but if he's stinking it up during games all year training form becomes irrelevant. Nobody else it seems is allowed a longer leash than Maher. If Mike Geaney had put in a poor performance the last day, there's no way people here would be saying ah let him prove himself in training... I hope Maher turns his form around, but it's not fair on the rest of the panel for him to be given such a comfy ride. We heard the stories from the Cork camp, our guys train just as hard and care about playing for their county just as much; if they earn a shot at the starting 15 they should be given it and Maher has played himself out whilst at the same time Moran has played himself in.
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Post by asithappens on Aug 6, 2014 9:00:52 GMT
Anthony Maher should be moved into full forward. He has the ability to win his own ball, to take his own scores and he could make a major impact. He has the physical attributes to be a brilliant full forward and it would be a great option to have as Mayo and most other teams know that Kerry are not using the long ball option anymore.
Conor Cox should also be brought back from America. He more than deserves his place on the panel. He could be brought off the bench as an impact sub. Kerry missed a number of frees last Sunday that Conor Cox would have scored with ease.
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Post by ballybunion on Aug 6, 2014 9:51:18 GMT
Some of the criticism of Kerry players here is verging on abuse.We are in the All Ireland semi final.We have a county selected management team and they know what to do.They certainly dont wish to have some of their players vilified on their own public form.
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Post by sidelined on Aug 6, 2014 10:02:52 GMT
Anthony Maher should be moved into full forward. He has the ability to win his own ball, to take his own scores and he could make a major impact. He has the physical attributes to be a brilliant full forward and it would be a great option to have as Mayo and most other teams know that Kerry are not using the long ball option anymore. Conor Cox should also be brought back from America. He more than deserves his place on the panel. He could be brought off the bench as an impact sub. Kerry missed a number of frees last Sunday that Conor Cox would have scored with ease. bit of a reality check needed here; maher could make a major impact but he doesnt, not winning primary possession, not able to get past his man and shooting is wild. needs to find vein of form quickly as he had serious potential a few years back. he is there since 08 and time is running out. needs to impose himself physically on midfield proceedings.would get bottled up too easily at 14. as regards cox; thats a raving statement at this stage of the championship, not fair on him or players training all summer
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