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Post by seamo on Aug 7, 2014 14:20:07 GMT
I dont subscribe to the whole burn out issue with Maher. Cooper had been on the go for years before he got injured. He had kerry and club nearly all year round and he still performed. The players are manged well enough at this level I think. I questioned Cian O'Neill earlier in the year but all the players seem to be as fit as fiddles and we are not fading at the end of games like we once used to. Maher has just lost form, simple. I think our new game plan is built around having a 3 big men in the middle with the two midfielders and Buckley. Buckley was equally as inept as Maher on Sunday. He just looks too slow at this level and leaden legged. He played well in Cork but, either its a confidence thing in Croke park or the pitch is too big for him. One of Mayo's strengths is breaking with power and more especially pace from the half backline. If we send out a half forward line with both Buckley & Donnachadha in it I would be very worried. D Walsh has to start every time so that leaves the decision do we stick O'Brien on the wing with Donnachadha and Mikey Geaney or go for broke and start a trio of Maher, Moran and Sheehan with one of last two at centre forward? Even the Galway halfbacks broke forward with ease at times. Because Mayo tend to press high up the pitch aswell, it leaves alot of space in their defence (even more if 2 players go to JOD), all that space would be ripe for the likes of O Brien or Darren. If I was to guess, I would think O Brien would come in for Buckley and Mike Geaney would keep his place.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Aug 7, 2014 15:09:09 GMT
I dont subscribe to the whole burn out issue with Maher. Cooper had been on the go for years before he got injured. He had kerry and club nearly all year round and he still performed. The players are manged well enough at this level I think. I questioned Cian O'Neill earlier in the year but all the players seem to be as fit as fiddles and we are not fading at the end of games like we once used to. Maher has just lost form, simple. I think our new game plan is built around having a 3 big men in the middle with the two midfielders and Buckley. Buckley was equally as inept as Maher on Sunday. He just looks too slow at this level and leaden legged. He played well in Cork but, either its a confidence thing in Croke park or the pitch is too big for him. One of Mayo's strengths is breaking with power and more especially pace from the half backline. If we send out a half forward line with both Buckley & Donnachadha in it I would be very worried. D Walsh has to start every time so that leaves the decision do we stick O'Brien on the wing with Donnachadha and Mikey Geaney or go for broke and start a trio of Maher, Moran and Sheehan with one of last two at centre forward? Even the Galway halfbacks broke forward with ease at times. Because Mayo tend to press high up the pitch aswell, it leaves alot of space in their defence (even more if 2 players go to JOD), all that space would be ripe for the likes of O Brien or Darren. If I was to guess, I would think O Brien would come in for Buckley and Mike Geaney would keep his place. +1 We badly need O'Brien's pace in the half forward line.
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Post by keane on Aug 7, 2014 16:19:10 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if they stuck with Buckley and Geaney missed out. We'll need plenty of height around the middle against Mayo as we'll be going long with almost all our kickouts.
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Post by seamo on Aug 7, 2014 18:36:36 GMT
Commiserations to Colm and his family. Puts everything into perspective. RIP.
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Post by glengael on Aug 7, 2014 18:42:40 GMT
Very sad news. Sympathies to Colm and all his family on his mother's passing.
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Post by seaniebo on Aug 7, 2014 18:46:55 GMT
In terms of a half forward line I think we need to change it up slightly. I was looking at Buckley just leave his man go time and time again last Sunday and no notion of tracking the run. This will be football suicide against Mayo. Which is why I think perhaps Buckley could miss out.
Donnachadh is a major player for us now and his form is exceptional. He'll give his all, no question. The key to the half forward line is Declan who seemed to be half minding himself against Galway. I hope and expect that he will be firing on all cylinders. Give us the platform to impose our game on Mayo. Lastly for physicality and guts I'd give Mikey Geaney a cut at it. Looked comfortable on the ball and sprayed some great ball in. Might be a big ask but playing in the green and gold doesn't come any bigger. Time to make his mark. Add a hopefully fit O Brien to the mix should give us much needed energy and directness out around the 40 driving on with Declan filtering back.
We need that Mayo half back line on the back foot. Take the game to them. They will have plenty to worry about with our two whizz kids inside. Defensively is a bit of a worry so attack may be our best form of defense. We'll concede a high score in my opinion but we can also rack up one.
A fit Bryan Sheehan is crucial. Absolutely crucial. This game is there for us. The beauty of it all is Mayo have no idea what we're capable of. Indeed we don't ourselves. If we bring our a-game this could be one of the greatest days for this team in so called transition. Bring it on I say!
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 7, 2014 19:15:47 GMT
What a prospect and anyone who thinks they can make money on this one is only a gambler. having said that I think Fitzie will expose Horan and who is good but greatness is required here. Will that be enough to get us across the line? Disagree, don't think Horan is good at all. Major booboo in last ten minutes of final last year leaving Higgins on O'Gara, who was as lame as a man can be (wrecked hamstring if I remember rightly). A waste of Higgins. Wasn't impressed to see him have a go at Cork management after Sunday either, petty. Should have left it where it was and let the team do the talking. He must have a short memory himself, he had no issues influencing Joe McQuillan in the lead up to semi final 2012. On the game itself, I do agree, fascinating encounter in prospect. On the face of it, 1 to 15, I think Mayo are stronger than you, and have been at it with this bunch for 4 years. You're still tweaking, but growing. It's * or get off the pot this year for Mayo. Boom or Bust. At the moment I'm thinking that you might win it on the line, Fitzmaurice miles ahead of Horan, will read it better. I have an option to change my mind though! I think all managers are good, well they are the best available, some are great and some aren't. I think we agree but maybe our benchmarks on 'good' contrast. Could Mayo be good enough to get him over the line? Seldom do teams compensate for weak management
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 7, 2014 19:24:42 GMT
Hey, it is a 21 man game, let's stick together now and support our heroes at this crucial time. Killarney is magic these days when you know that the best footballers on planet earth are just up the road preparing themselves to excel, pushing back the barriers of possibility to make history, again. On a few occasions I was in town and they'd be very tempered conversations in Tatlers afterwards. They'd be no predictions, no rousing statements, the time for that would be long gone as battle drew near and unity set in. Let's take the lead from those days. A pint for me there!
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Post by dubs4sam on Aug 7, 2014 20:57:24 GMT
Firstly im a Mayo man but this is the first time that i have ever backed Mayo to beat Kerry. Mayo will win and win handy 6+. Mayo in my opinion do not possess one top quality free scoring forward including Cillian O Connor who i feel is poor from play. Kerry have probably the best forward currently in Ireland (Gooch Injured) in O Donoghue who would probably come out best against any defender in Ireland but Mayo will double up on him. in saying that Kerry excluding him do not contribute as many scores as mayo from all over the field. (Donnacha Walsh is no Kerry Forward- very very poor) Mayo score from half backs,midfield, and forward line even if they lack major firepower. Mayo are physically stronger, more athletic and move the ball quicker and work harder than Kerry. Yes Kerry play lovely football especially quality kick passing, but lack the intensity and strength. Mayo will dominate around the middle, and attack from the half back creating overlaps all over, Kerry have no Power in Midfield and are not as athletic as Mayo Midfield. Kerry were given credit at half time against Galway, I felt it was a very poor display by them. The worst defensively ive ever seen, Aidan O Mahoney is a serious weakness. Galway walked through them easily and missed and incredible amount making poor decisions. Mayo are a very clever team and work the ball very well, taking the right options. Tactically James Horan is very poor but surely he will pull another player back to double team O Donoghue. He was poor tactically in last two finals and Mayo lost it on the line. I hear Fitzmaurice is top quality but Kerry im afraid Lack power (O Sheas for Mayo and Mayo half back line very physical etc) and workrate (Mayo forwards especially). In saying that Dublin if they get through Donegal will beat Mayo easily because they are similar to Mayo but even stronger, more athletic than mayo and have serious, powerful and match winning forwards, not to mention the bench. So you are a Mayo man ..yet your username is Dubs4Sam....mmmmmmmmmmhhh. Yes but think dublin will walk it
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 7, 2014 21:46:05 GMT
I just watched the Kerry-Galway or should I say how Kerry fared regarding the kickouts.
Brian Kelly kicked nearly all his kickouts directly at David Moran or Buckley and on one occasion there was a UCC one-two when he kicked one to Paul Geaney. About three went towards Maher and he did ok on those... his man Flynn is a big man but Maher dominated him physically.
What surprised me was that the Galway keeper kicked nearly all towards their number 8 Fiontain OCorrain even though Moran had his measure.
Maher kicked one bad wide. He tried to tap down the ball to colleagues a few times and it worked sometimes and not others.
Overall though, its clear that Flynn didn't do major damage from winning kickouts as few went in the direction of himself and Maher.
I realise that there is more to midfield play than winning kickouts but I though it would be worth looking closely at that aspect.
Below is a bit of the match report from that U21 final when Galway beat Cork.
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Galway deserve the title of champions
They may not have scored for the last 18 minutes of the game but Galway packed enough into the previous 42 minutes of action to be fitting victors for the second time in three years.
Their tactics were exemplary, they controlled midfield, sparkled in attack and adjusted to the high-pressure occasion quicker than Cork.
But it was not just for last night’s display, that they merited the status of champions. Previously they had thrashed Sligo, showed grit to overcome Mayo, held their nerve to beat a Roscommon team that have dominated the Connacht minor and U21 landscape in recent years and then ousted a highly-rated and physical Kildare combination.
Defeating Cork who have controlled Munster U21 football in recent years rounded off their campaign in an appropriate fashion.
“When you win two out of three it’s a pretty good return,” said manager Alan Flynn. “There’s four guys out of our 33 that have medals from the previous time. 19 of the 33 are underage next year and that’ll be another challenge for them again.”
2. Midfield experience proves key
All-Ireland U21 finals are landmark occasions in the careers of developing players and settling to the tempo of the game is a tricky business. It helps if you’ve been there before though. Galway’s midfield duo of captain Fiontan O Curraoin and Thomas Flynn were both survivors from the county’s 2011 triumph.
That level of experience showed as they ruled the midfield area. O Curraoin was supreme in the aerial stakes and his decision-making on the ball was also excellent during that tense closing quarter.
Flynn put in a great shift alongside him and the return of the Athenry man from injury has been a key factor in Galway’s campaign. Together they established a platform for their team and never allowed Sean Kiely and Ian Maguire to gain a foothold.
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Post by A.N. Other on Aug 8, 2014 14:28:56 GMT
Still early days I know but has anyone heard when the County Board or Kerry Gaa store may be selling tickets? The selection on tickets.ie/ticketmaster are poor enough at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 14:40:04 GMT
A.N Other you should go straight to GAA.ie if your looking for tickets they have them up there since before the Munster Championship finished might'nt be the best seats but they are available
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 14:42:47 GMT
Misread you completely sorry, lol I do know that the Kerry GAA shop start selling them the Monday before the game they are the earliest public place to start selling tickets
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Post by mossie on Aug 8, 2014 23:08:45 GMT
hopefully a massive Kerry following. this exciting minor team will surely entice a greater block of Kerry support.
attendance to top 50k??
I think the games will attract a decent level of support from neutrals in Dublin also
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Post by fitz on Aug 8, 2014 23:08:57 GMT
I wonder have Mayo blind spotted SOB, from scrutinizing the Galway game, zoning in on JOD as the spud McHugh put it, the man carrying the team. Unlikely, but they might not give him the respect of the danger he might serve, we'll see. With a fit SOB, the forward playing style will likely change considerably to exploit Mayo's full back line, with pace and direct aggressive running. Saying that they'll have to burst guts to track back to help out with Mayo's marauding half back line.
I definitely think Kerry held some cards from the Galway match and would expect a more ferocious game plan, with ruthless invective.
The JODSOB shotgun recalibrated and reloaded, both barrels.
Part of the plan to negate Mayo's half back line will be to try to optimize the time they have to spend defending, so we'll have at least s couple of plans from an attack perspective. The Munster final plan with Declan orchestrating, but I'd wager they'll start Higgins on Declan, Higgins is class, but he might not be able for Declan's strength. If Mayo play a sweeper, then Dec, Mikey, if selected, Donnacha might put the ball up the jersey and do some direct running, with three lads inside running all manner of lines. We would ideally then want our mids driving forward carrying too, I've not seen any of our guys even resemble what Darragh brought in this capacity, but Eamonn will have an optimized plan here. Any other attacking strategies folks think might apply?
Eamonn and team I believe will have the plans, the right personnel and fire and hunger in the team for this match. So...
Borrowing a quote from the brilliant and very quotable original 'Jaws' and the inimitable Quint. Read Mayo for taxidermy man.
"Back home we got a taxidermy man.He gonna have a heart attack when he sees what we brung him"
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 9, 2014 9:21:34 GMT
I wonder have Mayo blind spotted SOB, from scrutinizing the Galway game, zoning in on JOD as the spud McHugh put it, the man carrying the team. Unlikely, but they might not give him the respect of the danger he might serve, we'll see. With a fit SOB, the forward playing style will likely change considerably to exploit Mayo's full back line, with pace and direct aggressive running. Saying that they'll have to burst guts to track back to help out with Mayo's marauding half back line. I definitely think Kerry held some cards from the Galway match and would expect a more ferocious game plan, with ruthless invective.The JODSOB shotgun recalibrated and reloaded, both barrels. Part of the plan to negate Mayo's half back line will be to try to optimize the time they have to spend defending, so we'll have at least s couple of plans from an attack perspective. The Munster final plan with Declan orchestrating, but I'd wager they'll start Higgins on Declan, Higgins is class, but he might not be able for Declan's strength. If Mayo play a sweeper, then Dec, Mikey, if selected, Donnacha might put the ball up the jersey and do some direct running, with three lads inside running all manner of lines. We would ideally then want our mids driving forward carrying too, I've not seen any of our guys even resemble what Darragh brought in this capacity, but Eamonn will have an optimized plan here. Any other attacking strategies folks think might apply? Eamonn and team I believe will have the plans, the right personnel and fire and hunger in the team for this match. So... Borrowing a quote from the brilliant and very quotable original 'Jaws' and the inimitable Quint. Read Mayo for taxidermy man. "Back home we got a taxidermy man.He gonna have a heart attack when he sees what we brung him" I would have thought so. Fitzmaurice is smart, he has already clearly learned alot from last year. I think Kerry will win, and my guide to the merits of both teams, albeit without the Gooch factor, is that Kerry looked better than Mayo last year, despite being very much in the early stage of transition. Are Mayo any better this year? Though Kerry miss Gooch, I think taken overall they look better than last year, even to be as good as that would be enough to beat Mayo, unless the latter have improved. Having said all that Mayo have not played a game at full intensity yet. They will need to produce it this time. If they are still in hangover mode, the hangover will go into full withdrawals............
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Post by seamo on Aug 9, 2014 9:29:38 GMT
I wonder have Mayo blind spotted SOB, from scrutinizing the Galway game, zoning in on JOD as the spud McHugh put it, the man carrying the team. Unlikely, but they might not give him the respect of the danger he might serve, we'll see. With a fit SOB, the forward playing style will likely change considerably to exploit Mayo's full back line, with pace and direct aggressive running. Saying that they'll have to burst guts to track back to help out with Mayo's marauding half back line. I definitely think Kerry held some cards from the Galway match and would expect a more ferocious game plan, with ruthless invective. The JODSOB shotgun recalibrated and reloaded, both barrels. Part of the plan to negate Mayo's half back line will be to try to optimize the time they have to spend defending, so we'll have at least s couple of plans from an attack perspective. The Munster final plan with Declan orchestrating, but I'd wager they'll start Higgins on Declan, Higgins is class, but he might not be able for Declan's strength. If Mayo play a sweeper, then Dec, Mikey, if selected, Donnacha might put the ball up the jersey and do some direct running, with three lads inside running all manner of lines. We would ideally then want our mids driving forward carrying too, I've not seen any of our guys even resemble what Darragh brought in this capacity, but Eamonn will have an optimized plan here. Any other attacking strategies folks think might apply? Eamonn and team I believe will have the plans, the right personnel and fire and hunger in the team for this match. So... Borrowing a quote from the brilliant and very quotable original 'Jaws' and the inimitable Quint. Read Mayo for taxidermy man. "Back home we got a taxidermy man.He gonna have a heart attack when he sees what we brung him" If Crowley doesn't start, I'd put him on A O Se when he comes on and attack at will, he has the pace and the power to match/trouble O Se. Almost every team left aside from Kerry get regular scores from their midfield and half backs, it would be reassuring to see an extra 2-3 points from those behind Sheehan.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 9, 2014 11:01:37 GMT
I wonder have Mayo blind spotted SOB, from scrutinizing the Galway game, zoning in on JOD as the spud McHugh put it, the man carrying the team. Unlikely, but they might not give him the respect of the danger he might serve, we'll see. With a fit SOB, the forward playing style will likely change considerably to exploit Mayo's full back line, with pace and direct aggressive running. Saying that they'll have to burst guts to track back to help out with Mayo's marauding half back line. I definitely think Kerry held some cards from the Galway match and would expect a more ferocious game plan, with ruthless invective.The JODSOB shotgun recalibrated and reloaded, both barrels. Part of the plan to negate Mayo's half back line will be to try to optimize the time they have to spend defending, so we'll have at least s couple of plans from an attack perspective. The Munster final plan with Declan orchestrating, but I'd wager they'll start Higgins on Declan, Higgins is class, but he might not be able for Declan's strength. If Mayo play a sweeper, then Dec, Mikey, if selected, Donnacha might put the ball up the jersey and do some direct running, with three lads inside running all manner of lines. We would ideally then want our mids driving forward carrying too, I've not seen any of our guys even resemble what Darragh brought in this capacity, but Eamonn will have an optimized plan here. Any other attacking strategies folks think might apply? Eamonn and team I believe will have the plans, the right personnel and fire and hunger in the team for this match. So... Borrowing a quote from the brilliant and very quotable original 'Jaws' and the inimitable Quint. Read Mayo for taxidermy man. "Back home we got a taxidermy man.He gonna have a heart attack when he sees what we brung him" I would have thought so. Fitzmaurice is smart, he has already clearly learned alot from last year. I think Kerry will win, and my guide to the merits of both teams, albeit without the Gooch factor, is that Kerry looked better than Mayo last year, despite being very much in the early stage of transition. Are Mayo any better this year? Though Kerry miss Gooch, I think taken overall they look better than last year, even to be as good as that would be enough to beat Mayo, unless the latter have improved. Having said all that Mayo have not played a game at full intensity yet. They will need to produce it this time. If they are still in hangover mode, the hangover will go into full withdrawals............ I haven't seen anything from Kerry to suggest they are better than 2013, too many question marks still hanging over several of their players, much like their form going into the Dublin game last year. The game is Mayo's to win if they are good enough to do so. I'm sure there will be a collision of middle ground between both teams as the game develops. It is not possible to call it conclusively at the moment. Mayo's go too forwards might still be suspect, indeed some of them are ageing. Mayo have a certain tempo in the middle third which Kerry do not have, the O'Sheas, Keegan, Vaughan, Higgins for example are peaking physically as players. Mayo would seem to have a slight edge over Kerry at the moment, however Mayo have struggled to beat Kerry in the championship in Croker. Losing to a Kerry team in transition would be a huge blow to this Mayo set up. It is difficult to see any more than 3-5 points in it going either way.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 9, 2014 12:24:47 GMT
I repeat here what I said elsewhere, I think we talk too much of predicting results, now there's no harm in it but it is impossible, and moreover now with contrasting reactionary tactics for given opponents. Commentators on here are capable of more insightful stuff; it does my head in and I am even prone to it myself, but I am seldom right, only when I say that I know I will be wrong! Maybe that pundits have to make a prediction on RTE is also inducing such Fionn MacCumhaill aspirations; now where's that salmon of knowledge? A fishy subject no doubt!
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 9, 2014 13:13:25 GMT
Mayo's stock is high due to reaching the last two finals but they didn't meet the form team in either year till the final. The form team in 2014 is Dublin so Mayo may be able to keep enough in the tank and come up with the mother and father of a performance in the 2014 final. They never looked like losing to Cork and look to me that they are doing enough which is a sign of maturity. A dub at work gave me the following withering comment about Mayo..."The sight of the Artane Boys Band frightens the s... out of them".
I do think however that Kerry are better in 2014 even without Colm. PG and TOS were very poor in 2013. We have Kelly in goals, David Moran is back and the 3 or 4 new faces are all up to this level. Not saying they will beat Mayo, Donegal or Dublin but just that we are better in 2014. Kerry lost by 8 points to Dublin last year at the end and the longer it was going to go on the more the winning margin.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 9, 2014 13:28:35 GMT
Mayo's stock is high due to reaching the last two finals but they didn't meet the form team in either year till the final. The form team in 2014 is Dublin so Mayo may be able to keep enough in the tank and come up with the mother and father of a performance in the 2014 final. They never looked like losing to Cork and look to me that they are doing enough which is a sign of maturity. A dub at work gave me the following withering comment about Mayo..."The sight of the Artane Boys Band frightens the s... out of them". I do think however that Kerry are better in 2014 even without Colm. PG and TOS were very poor in 2013. We have Kelly in goals, David Moran is back and the 3 or 4 new faces are all up to this level. Not saying they will beat Mayo, Donegal or Dublin but just that we are better in 2014. Kerry lost by 8 points to Dublin last year at the end and the longer it was going to go on the more the winning margin. I agree with everything you say except it is very inaccurate in my opinion to say that TOS was "very poor" last year.
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Post by kerry4life on Aug 9, 2014 13:40:33 GMT
I honestly believe Mayo are gone back a bit from last year, they have being going very well since they met us in the semi of 2011 and have being in 2 straight finals since. This is their 4th year straight making the last 4 and it has taking its toll on them. Saying that they are still a good side but are not as good as they were. Last year was truly their year and they met a Dublin team that played there worst game of the season and still couldn't take them. I can see Kerry getting over Mayo alright. I just feel Mayo are coming to the end of a hard few years and they have all the signs of it. Kerry look fresher to be honest and if Kerry can finish strong like they did in the last 2 games which was great to see, than I see us pulling through. Their is no way we should be giving Mayo too much respect and I am very surprised by some of the comments in this forum. With the history of us meeting and our form we should have much more confidence in Kerry for this match. Kerry by 4+ for me.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 9, 2014 14:02:33 GMT
Some of Kerry's players might appear to be fresher than 2013 but whether that transfers to substance remains to be seen and if wear and tear has not caught up with some of the players.
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Post by kerry4life on Aug 9, 2014 14:14:11 GMT
Some of Kerry's players might appear to be fresher than 2013 but whether that transfers to substance remains to be seen and if wear and tear has not caught up with some of the players. I hear what your are saying but we have a long break since Munster final and another 3 weeks from Quarters, I just think we look fresher than Mayo, I may be wrong but Mayo look like a team that are feeling the last 4 years in a big way. Still a great side but slipping a little in my opinion. We should be confident.
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Post by kerryexile on Aug 9, 2014 14:27:19 GMT
Kerry are better this year for a number of reasons - they are physically stronger, young players are more mature, Eamon has the experience of a full championship season behind him. That said, Kerry are playing to the same pattern as last year - but the performances are better for the reasons mentioned. They beat Cork playing a similar game to what they played against Cork last year but by a greater score. The recent Galway performance was in the same category as the Cavan game but again better scoring by Kerry (1 - 20 against Galway, only 15 points against Cavan). The Mayo game will correspond to the Dublin game last year. If Kerry reproduce that display they will beat Mayo.
Some of the young Kerry players are excellent footballers. I see no reason why Paul Murphy, Stephen O'Brien, or the Geaneys cannot outplay their opponents playing against any team.
As has been mention by many here numbers 3, 6 and 8 are proving problematic. Crowley has to get no 6. The first thing any manager will have his team do against Kerry is run through the centre. That has to be nailed in the first 5 minutes - cue Crowley. (Remember Roy Keane with the "hello" tackle against Holland). O'Mahony is not the answer to no 3 especially now with the black card. He could have jostled Flynn for the Galway goal but seemed to be keeping his hands off of him. Marc will probably end up there.
There are options to improve midfield.
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Post by haryegsnbaken on Aug 9, 2014 18:45:03 GMT
Some of Kerry's players might appear to be fresher than 2013 but whether that transfers to substance remains to be seen and if wear and tear has not caught up with some of the players. I hear what your are saying but we have a long break since Munster final and another 3 weeks from Quarters, I just think we look fresher than Mayo, I may be wrong but Mayo look like a team that are feeling the last 4 years in a big way. Still a great side but slipping a little in my opinion. We should be confident. I would recommend that you watch the Mayo/Cork 1/4 Final again. There was a lot to like about the way Mayo turned over ball and the way they responded to the Cork comeback. For me this indicates a team that are experienced, clever, hard working, ambitious, hurting, proud and driven. All these things will be drawn upon to beat us. Whether it is enough is debateable, and we have this forum to debate it.
To be honest I would have settled for a semi final berth at the start of the year. The more we have progressed , the more I feel that Eamonn has his sights firmly set a little higher than mine.
We are without Gooch, Tomas, Paul, we are with James, Stephen, Paul Murphy, Moran, Killian and Peter Crowley. Our fade out last year was down to a few of the senior statesmen fading late on. That lesson has been learned, and I very much think "addressed".
If I had a tenner to spend on the match I would do a CAVAN on it and back them both for the AI 5/1 and 6/1 respectively. At least I would be on at 5/1 in the final at least :-) .
As far as the match itself is concerned .....With over 2 weeks to go....We'll see.
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Post by ansúilleabhánach on Aug 9, 2014 19:18:33 GMT
I haven't seen anything from Kerry to suggest they are better than 2013, too many question marks still hanging over several of their players, much like their form going into the Dublin game last year. The game is Mayo's to win if they are good enough to do so. I'm sure there will be a collision of middle ground between both teams as the game develops. It is not possible to call it conclusively at the moment. Mayo's go too forwards might still be suspect, indeed some of them are ageing. Mayo have a certain tempo in the middle third which Kerry do not have, the O'Sheas, Keegan, Vaughan, Higgins for example are peaking physically as players. Mayo would seem to have a slight edge over Kerry at the moment, however Mayo have struggled to beat Kerry in the championship in Croker. Losing to a Kerry team in transition would be a huge blow to this Mayo set up. It is difficult to see any more than 3-5 points in it going either way. I agree with kerrygold the most. Maigh Eo should win, but that doesn't mean they will. I lost all faith in them this year after that gutless capitulation, whilst holding all the aces, in the League semi. However, they displayed a stolid resolve against Dribbles last Sunday when I expected them to fold as of old, and if anything would get their blood pumping, surely it's the prospect of exorcising some ghosts against us. They haven't neared the performances of last year yet, but qf was a step up from Connacht. Wouldn't buy into the "Dubs'-worst-performance-they-missed-their-chance" school of thought for last year; rather I think they were a lot more effective in stopping BÁC 'playing as they wanted to play' than we had been. Post-match quotations from 2 separate Dubs descibed it as the hardest match they played all year. They were still a damn sight closer than us at the end, for all our fireworks. That Artane Boys' Band reference is only legitimate as long as one discounts their impressive quarter- and semi-final record at HQ.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2014 20:22:16 GMT
Lads if you take the Mayo full forward line the only main threat is Cillian O Connor I would see Alan Dillon and Andy Moran as fairly manageable.What I would worry about is the likes of Jason Doherty kicking big scores and The O Shea's coming through the middle also we need to get the half back line on the back foot and we need a big performance from Donnacha. Maybe if Declan went man to man with Donal Vaughan I think that would create space for our forwards and it should take some pressure off the backs aswell as Vaughan likes to get forward and they probly would have their hands full with the O Shea's bombing forward and such.What I would suggest is that Crowley does not follow Aidan O Shea I think he should just hold the Centre because that is where we have a big problem.I'd say Paul Murphy should pick up Cillian O Connor or else Fionn Fitz.Now.The main problem. We need a man for Aidan O Shea.He just - he needs to be stopped and I don't think any of our midfielders would be up for a man marking role other than that I think we should get over the line by 2-3 points.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 10, 2014 15:12:26 GMT
I haven't seen anything from Kerry to suggest they are better than 2013, too many question marks still hanging over several of their players, much like their form going into the Dublin game last year. The game is Mayo's to win if they are good enough to do so. I'm sure there will be a collision of middle ground between both teams as the game develops. It is not possible to call it conclusively at the moment. Mayo's go too forwards might still be suspect, indeed some of them are ageing. Mayo have a certain tempo in the middle third which Kerry do not have, the O'Sheas, Keegan, Vaughan, Higgins for example are peaking physically as players. Mayo would seem to have a slight edge over Kerry at the moment, however Mayo have struggled to beat Kerry in the championship in Croker. Losing to a Kerry team in transition would be a huge blow to this Mayo set up. It is difficult to see any more than 3-5 points in it going either way. I agree with kerrygold the most. Maigh Eo should win, but that doesn't mean they will. I lost all faith in them this year after that gutless capitulation, whilst holding all the aces, in the League semi. However, they displayed a stolid resolve against Dribbles last Sunday when I expected them to fold as of old, and if anything would get their blood pumping, surely it's the prospect of exorcising some ghosts against us. They haven't neared the performances of last year yet, but qf was a step up from Connacht. Wouldn't buy into the "Dubs'-worst-performance-they-missed-their-chance" school of thought for last year; rather I think they were a lot more effective in stopping BÁC 'playing as they wanted to play' than we had been. Post-match quotations from 2 separate Dubs descibed it as the hardest match they played all year. They were still a damn sight closer than us at the end, for all our fireworks. That Artane Boys' Band reference is only legitimate as long as one discounts their impressive quarter- and semi-final record at HQ. No way can the Kerry-Dubs semi last year be called an 8 point game, or 7 as it was! There was nothing in it with 70 minutes on the clock when 2 crucial breaks went Dublin's way and then an outstanding goal as good as ended the game. Kerry definitely played better in that game than Mayo did in the final. Mayo were out of it in the 2nd half but for one slip by Dublin which allowed them a goal and having to carry two injured players at the end which allowed Mayo claw back scores from frees and prevented Dublin committing more to counter-attacks (O'Gara missed a great goal chance and Bastick made a very bad option that would otherwise have set up a point or a goal chance.) In contrast if Dec OS had put that chance over Kerry would have lead into injury time and 8 times out of 10 wouldn't have lost that ball at midfield that started the sequence that resulted in the goal. It is true that Mayo's form dipped in the All-I semi and did not recover, and they would have looked at that or at least with the recovery time needed from last year will have needed to aim to peak.
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Post by kerry4life on Aug 10, 2014 16:06:46 GMT
I hear what your are saying but we have a long break since Munster final and another 3 weeks from Quarters, I just think we look fresher than Mayo, I may be wrong but Mayo look like a team that are feeling the last 4 years in a big way. Still a great side but slipping a little in my opinion. We should be confident. I would recommend that you watch the Mayo/Cork 1/4 Final again. There was a lot to like about the way Mayo turned over ball and the way they responded to the Cork comeback. For me this indicates a team that are experienced, clever, hard working, ambitious, hurting, proud and driven. All these things will be drawn upon to beat us. Whether it is enough is debateable, and we have this forum to debate it.
To be honest I would have settled for a semi final berth at the start of the year. The more we have progressed , the more I feel that Eamonn has his sights firmly set a little higher than mine.
We are without Gooch, Tomas, Paul, we are with James, Stephen, Paul Murphy, Moran, Killian and Peter Crowley. Our fade out last year was down to a few of the senior statesmen fading late on. That lesson has been learned, and I very much think "addressed".
If I had a tenner to spend on the match I would do a CAVAN on it and back them both for the AI 5/1 and 6/1 respectively. At least I would be on at 5/1 in the final at least :-) .
As far as the match itself is concerned .....With over 2 weeks to go....We'll see.
I watched the game Mayo v Cork game live and saw the highlights, sure Kerry turned over more ball against Cork, how are you so impressed with Mayo doing it and not Kerry. You say Mayo finished well, they barely hung on, 5 more minutes and they would have lost. Kerry finished well in the last 2 matches. People are giving Mayo far too much respect. We have a great chance and I would be suprised if we didnt beat them to be honest. Mayo are a good side not a great side, maybe its me and I do respect everybody is entitled to their opinions but we should not be afraid of this Mayo team. I make us Favourites,
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