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Post by kerrygold on Aug 27, 2014 15:00:10 GMT
Many of the pubs in the south south west don't have SKY, small winter population I believe is to blame. Yes but others will. Why seek something to complain about when there isn't really a need to? Why so negative? Choose Life KG! My point is valid, Crokers decision to go with exclsive SKY coverage of a parcel of the games has left a lot of people high and dry who like to watch their games. Fact.
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Post by seamo on Aug 27, 2014 15:03:25 GMT
Yes but others will. Why seek something to complain about when there isn't really a need to? Why so negative? Choose Life KG! My point is valid, Crokers decision to go with exclsive SKY coverage of a parcel of the games has left a lot of people high and dry who like to watch their games. Fact. I have to say I was very disappointed and annoyed not being able to watch the last round of the qualifiers a few weeks ago on a rainy Saturday evening, all because it wasn't on free to air.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 27, 2014 15:04:59 GMT
Yes but others will. Why seek something to complain about when there isn't really a need to? Why so negative? Choose Life KG! My point is valid, Crokers decision to go with exclsive SKY coverage of a parcel of the games has left a lot of people high and dry who like to watch their games. Fact. Your point is indeed valid... I think pensioners and the ill are hit worst. I think about everyone else can get over it, however. I do understand also that the original remark you made was made as a grain (sack?) of rice regarding the performance or otherwise of the GAA this year. Enjoy Limerick.
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Post by jumanji on Aug 27, 2014 15:26:45 GMT
I wouldnt change much for the game saturday. i would make one positional change in the backs and that would be to switch Marc with Murphy. Marc was slow off the mark the last day and we can ill afford to be so lose on Saturday. Marc would offer alot at wing back also. If O Brien is out i would think about starting BJK, Declan and Sheehan are not at game spped yet and are clearly after a limited amount of training over past few weeks. Keep donaghy for if we need him or bring him on to mix it with o Shea
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Post by beantownfan on Aug 27, 2014 15:32:52 GMT
Any idea of when the team will be announced? Here goes..
Kelly, Enright, AOM, Marc, Murphy, Crowley, Fionn Moran, Maher M. Geaney, Buckley, Donnacha P. Geaney, Declan, JamesO
Star to be introduced early if Declan is not motoring.. I see Declan moving out and lots of high ball going into P. Geaney.. My assumption is that Stephen O'Brien is too injured to start, unfortunately..
My main fear with this selection would be an unfit Declan.. Not sure about starting star.. There are certainly good arguments for starting him.. You could change it up frequently leaving him go out to be a third midfielder, but I'd worry about our ability to kick good ball into him all day.. We spent 2 or 3 summers sending snowballs into him with little effect (when compared to the first couple of years of him being FF). On the other hand, Declan does seem to be off the pace.. And if Mayo start the replay the way they started the second half then we will need to defend like crazy. I expect Mayo to have a much better first half than the first game
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Post by seamo on Aug 27, 2014 16:11:00 GMT
Only now did I get to listen to "The last word" with Matt Cooper from last Monday. Had Patrick O Sullivan on from the KCB talking about the fiasco of playing in Limerick. He was a very good little boy was our Patrick, well behaved and towed the party line very carefully!!! He was falling over himself trying not to upset any of the boys in Croker; I'm sure he has his eyes on better paid jobs within the GAA!
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Post by seamo on Aug 27, 2014 16:13:48 GMT
I wouldnt change much for the game saturday. i would make one positional change in the backs and that would be to switch Marc with Murphy. Marc was slow off the mark the last day and we can ill afford to be so lose on Saturday. Marc would offer alot at wing back also. If O Brien is out i would think about starting BJK, Declan and Sheehan are not at game spped yet and are clearly after a limited amount of training over past few weeks. Keep donaghy for if we need him or bring him on to mix it with o Shea Straight swap between Murphy and Marc would be ideal. Could then even switch Enright and Murphy at times to give Enright some rest-bite. Also Marc whilst slower still has alot of composure and high skill level which would provide us with another v.good foot passer out around the middle third.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 27, 2014 16:14:42 GMT
Only now did I get to listen to "The last word" with Matt Cooper from last Monday. Had Patrick O Sullivan on from the KCB talking about the fiasco of playing in Limerick. He was a very good little boy was our Patrick, well behaved and towed the party line very carefully!!! He was falling over himself trying not to upset any of the boys in Croker; I'm sure he has his eyes on better paid jobs within the GAA! Delighted! There is a definite perceived advantage to dealing with these kind of issues as 'water off a duck's back' rather than making a song and dance about it. It could be --- to either team --- an advantage, a disadvantage but moreover a distraction. Maybe not a distraction now but today is already Wednesday... what about Sunday? Monday? Tuesday morning? I get the sense that Kerry are getting on with it. Perhaps Mayo are as well now.
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Post by seamo on Aug 27, 2014 16:22:29 GMT
Only now did I get to listen to "The last word" with Matt Cooper from last Monday. Had Patrick O Sullivan on from the KCB talking about the fiasco of playing in Limerick. He was a very good little boy was our Patrick, well behaved and towed the party line very carefully!!! He was falling over himself trying not to upset any of the boys in Croker; I'm sure he has his eyes on better paid jobs within the GAA! Delighted! There is a definite perceived advantage to dealing with these kind of issues as 'water off a duck's back' rather than making a song and dance about it. It could be --- to either team --- an advantage, a disadvantage but moreover a distraction. Maybe not a distraction now but today is already Wednesday... what about Sunday? Monday? Tuesday morning? I get the sense that Kerry are getting on with it. Perhaps Mayo are as well now. I'll have to agree and disagree with you!!! lol Management and players should take the view that it is no big deal, "water off a ducks back", we'll play the game anywhere etc. But the boys in the suits (ie.county board) who are meant to represent the interests of Mayo and Kerry should be making a fuss about this, on behalf of players, management, fans and the game itself. Seriously you should listen to what Patrick said when Matt posed the question of hawk-eye, shocking stuff, he just waffled about nothing. ...I only hope we don't lose by a point which never should have been a point!!!
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Post by Jigz84 on Aug 27, 2014 16:26:33 GMT
Again Kerry finished very strongly. They could be the fittest Kerry team in a long time, especially when you see Marc on the Mayo endline in the last minute!
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Post by seaniebo on Aug 27, 2014 17:21:46 GMT
Does anyone think that Marc was judged rather harshly on his performance the last day? Sure he has had much better days but there were times he played extremely well. He won plenty of ball out in front of his man and I thought he did reasonably well on Freeman. Yes he was caught in the first half bringing the ball into contact but that as far as I recall was his only time doing that. He was calmness personified when needed most in being a key player to that beauty of an equaliser.
I've watched the match from a television perspective and I thought for all the criticism Marc did okay. When we were overrun in the second half good ball was going in on top of him. After marshaling Freeman he now had the marquee man to patrol. No easy task. I'd put money on it that come Saturday evening we'll be saying Marc was top class. It's rare if ever he's had back to back average games.
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Post by seamo on Aug 27, 2014 17:40:33 GMT
Does anyone think that Marc was judged rather harshly on his performance the last day? Sure he has had much better days but there were times he played extremely well. He won plenty of ball out in front of his man and I thought he did reasonably well on Freeman. Yes he was caught in the first half bringing the ball into contact but that as far as I recall was his only time doing that. He was calmness personified when needed most in being a key player to that beauty of an equaliser. I've watched the match from a television perspective and I thought for all the criticism Marc did okay. When we were overrun in the second half good ball was going in on top of him. After marshaling Freeman he now had the marquee man to patrol. No easy task. I'd put money on it that come Saturday evening we'll be saying Marc was top class. It's rare if ever he's had back to back average games. No Marc was poor throughout. You mentioned the opening point that he conceded; Freeman looked devoid of any confidence, that along with a good save from Kelly saved Marc from an all mercy-full hammering. And when Moran came on he was no better. Moran has a great attitude and so on, but since the ACL injury he doesn't have all that much of a quick step yet he was always 5 yards ahead of Marc!! "I'd put money on it that come Saturday evening we'll be saying Marc was top class. It's rare if ever he's had back to back average games." <<< But I'd 100% agree with you on this, wouldn't be surprised at all to see a big response from Marc. He'll know himself that Sunday's performance wasn't up to standard.
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Post by jolyn on Aug 27, 2014 17:54:27 GMT
I have a feeling that Marc would be best challenged next day if put on COC it would rise him. Remember Darragh we thought was finished in 2004 but came back strong. A lot of pride in Árd a Bhothar.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 27, 2014 17:58:06 GMT
quote from rashers above; Anyway I think Mayo are always at some sort of in-your-face mind-games, and as Sky says there, it proved nothing new about them.
Another shocking example was the campaign by Mayo supporters prior to the 2013 final to "fill the Hill". In other words they wanted to dilute the perceived disadvantage of opposing teams playing into Hill16 in front of a blue sea. There are probably other even worse examples of this Mayo carryon.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 27, 2014 18:14:02 GMT
quote from rashers above; Anyway I think Mayo are always at some sort of in-your-face mind-games, and as Sky says there, it proved nothing new about them. Another shocking example was the campaign by Mayo supporters prior to the 2013 final to "fill the Hill". In other words they wanted to dilute the perceived disadvantage of opposing teams playing into Hill16 in front of a blue sea. There are probably other even worse examples of this Mayo carryon. Hang on? Aren't you one of the biggest moaners and conspirators about Dublin's "advantages"
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Post by ballynamona on Aug 27, 2014 18:20:19 GMT
The mis-steps of the suits in Croker concerns me a little. At times in the last 15 years, when we our politicians get things wrong again and again, the GAA seemed to be run by very sensible people.
The Sky decision, and scheduling this American Football game (and worse, the refusal to deal with the situation properly by giving Kerry and Mayo the September 6 date), shows an association that are out of touch, and not a little arrogant.
One of the posters described the Sky decision as a betrayal of the man who lines the pitch. Well put.
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Post by seamo on Aug 27, 2014 18:35:53 GMT
quote from rashers above; Anyway I think Mayo are always at some sort of in-your-face mind-games, and as Sky says there, it proved nothing new about them. Another shocking example was the campaign by Mayo supporters prior to the 2013 final to "fill the Hill". In other words they wanted to dilute the perceived disadvantage of opposing teams playing into Hill16 in front of a blue sea. There are probably other even worse examples of this Mayo carryon. Your being sarcastic right? I wouldn't see a problem in a county's fans doing this. Funny how we in the GAA bash English soccer because their fans can't mix in the stadium. Yet here we have Mayo supporters being criticised for wanting to be in one particular part of the ground. To borrow and paraphrase a line from Mr.Brolly, "We the Gaels own Croke Park, but alas not all Gaels are equal"!!!! lol
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 27, 2014 18:45:26 GMT
quote from rashers above; Anyway I think Mayo are always at some sort of in-your-face mind-games, and as Sky says there, it proved nothing new about them. Another shocking example was the campaign by Mayo supporters prior to the 2013 final to "fill the Hill". In other words they wanted to dilute the perceived disadvantage of opposing teams playing into Hill16 in front of a blue sea. There are probably other even worse examples of this Mayo carryon. Your being sarcastic right?I wouldn't see a problem in a county's fans doing this. Funny how we in the GAA bash English soccer because their fans can't mix in the stadium. Yet here we have Mayo supporters being criticised for wanting to be in one particular part of the ground. To borrow and paraphrase a line from Mr.Brolly, "We the Gaels own Croke Park, but alas not all Gaels are equal"!!!! lol Yes...obviously. Tom Crean should go to more games and get out of the South Pole Inn to wake up and smell the coffee!! The bottom line for me is that if Donegal v Dublin was the first semi final played and if twas played last sunday and it ended in a draw, it would be replayed on the sat before the hurling final. There would be no question of playing it next sat. Any way that you want to dress it up...that's treating one county more equally than all others.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 27, 2014 19:53:59 GMT
by DARRAGH O SE
IRISH TIMES
This column was supposed to be a big, in-depth breakdown of the Dublin v Donegal game from 2011. I had it planned from a couple of weeks out and I went to great lengths and got the DVD of it sent down to Kerry and everything. But as they say in politics, I was overtaken by events.
The first event being the draw between Mayo and Kerry on Sunday. The second was the fixing of the replay for Limerick. In a week like this, with two All-Ireland semi-finals coming up on the weekend and a shambles of a decision when it comes to the venue, there’s hardly much point in me droning on about a game from three years ago.
We’ll get to the third event later on.
Plenty has been said here, there and everywhere about the replay being in Limerick but to my mind the one thing that has been overlooked is the simplest of all.
This is a game for players. Everybody else is incidental to it. Supporters, sponsors, media, whoever – they are additions to the game. The game is about players.
Big game No player in the history of the GAA has dreamed of playing an All Ireland semi-final in Limerick. No player has trained for that, no player has worked for it, no player has made the decision that this is what he’s doing with his life with the idea of playing a big game in Limerick in mind. We have all, every one of us who ever pulled on a pair of boots, aimed ourselves at Croke Park.
By moving such a marquee game out of Croke Park, the GAA is basically saying that, in their view, the players are not important. Look at what their justification has been – keeping the place clear for the Dubs and Donegal if they need a replay and a load of talk about the amount of money they’ve put into developing Limerick.
No regard for what players want or what would be best for them. They didn’t even consult them.
This is the point. Forget about location, forget about whether it’s closer to Castlebar or Killarney. People will go to the game, they’ll get there and back and it’ll probably be a fine occasion for us all with a bit of novelty thrown in. But we don’t matter. The players are the ones who matter.
And the way they’ve been treated here is: “Go on there now lads, go and do what you’re told”. I hate giving out about the GAA but as far as I can see, they’ve basically told the people who are central to their operations that they’re actually at the bottom of the food chain.
As for how it will affect the game, I would see it as a slight disadvantage for Kerry. This is going to sound a bit airy-fairy but there’s something about heading for Dublin at this time of year as a Kerry footballer. This is what you live for. There’s a sort of magic about it.
It’s small things. It’s the train journey. It’s the overnight. It’s the Garda escort. It’s the feel of being in Dublin, of knowing that you’re there doing what generations of Kerry footballers down the years have come to Dublin to do. You can’t quantify it obviously but I always think that’s worth a few scores to Kerry.
Challenge matches Around Kerry this week, you’d barely know there’s an All-Ireland semi-final on Saturday and a lot of that is down to the venue. Limerick is where you go for early Munster Championship matches. Actually, the majority of games I played in the Gaelic Grounds would have been challenge matches against Mayo or Galway. There’s no big rush for tickets down here because we don’t have any great affinity for the place.
There’s a chance that will transmit itself to the players. I don’t think it’s a huge factor but I don’t think it can be ignored either. It’s a mindset thing and if there’s one thing you don’t want to be at a disadvantage on with this Mayo team, it’s mindset. They are so battle-hardened, they are so mentally strong.
People wondered last week if their past with Kerry would be a factor – it wasn’t in the slightest. Mayo came out and played ball and they had the winning of it despite losing Lee Keegan. Their quality shone through as well as their character. Look at Cillian O’Connor’s penalty – one chance, roof of the net, play it like you own it.
White heat Aidan O’Shea was brilliant as well in that second half. Kerry had plans for him and made him struggle in the first half. But you couldn’t be a fan of Gaelic football and not love the way he bullied his way into the game. There’s not much better in sport than watching a guy in the white heat of a game that really matters putting his hand up and saying: “Lads, I want it, end of story”.
But this was a game for the ages and Kerry had plenty to be proud of as well. I thought Keith Higgins had an outstanding game and yet James O’Donoghue still scored 1-3. In the sort of form O’Donoghue is in, I’d say that’s about level par for Higgins. You won’t win the Open with it but it’s no disgrace.
And Kerry found a new weapon, even though it’s an old weapon. Nobody saw Kieran Donaghy’s impact coming. It wasn’t flagged at any stage and he didn’t get a game against Galway.
Kerry people were surprised to see him come on so I can only guess how surprised Mayo were. They didn’t have a plan to suit him, no more than Kerry had a plan for what to do if Kevin McLoughlin went to wing-back.
Will he start the replay? I doubt it, to be honest. The 15 that started on Sunday didn’t let Eamonn Fitzmaurice down at all. But that’s another new angle that Mayo have to spend the week trying to get their head around. They will need a plan for when it happens.
I was fairly bullish about Kerry’s chances in the end last week and I couldn’t claim to be quite that confident for the replay.
But I do think that the way they dug out that game after giving away the penalty and going five points down bodes very well. If I was a Kerry player this week, I’d be saying these Mayo fellas have had their chance and they didn’t take it. I think I’ll side with my own county.
Now, as for that third event I mentioned. It involved me, the DVD of Dublin v Donegal 2011 and the realisation that life’s too short. I got through 10 minutes of it on Monday night before turning it off. Sweet divine, it was atrocious stuff.
Turn off
I have nothing against Donegal. There’s nothing worse than the arrogance of people who decide the way that football should be played and I respect Jim McGuinness for setting his team up whatever way he thinks he can best win a game. But everybody also has the right to turn off a game if they’re not enjoying it.
That game has very little to do with the one we’re going to see on Sunday. The one lesson I did think was worth learning though was that Donegal won’t get the same amount of success this time around if they try to do the same thing. The difference in physique in players like Michael Darragh Macauley, Paul Flynn and Diarmuid Connolly now as compared to then is massive.
Go back to the Monaghan game three weeks ago, when Dessie Mone and Paul Finlay were starting to drag out of Flynn to try and get a reaction from him. Monaghan are hardy boys, no doubt about it. But the next ball Flynn got, he knocked Mone into the air like a ragdoll.
The executioner
Dublin are like the executioner who’s happy to let you choose your own way of being killed. You want to play football? Excellent, let’s play football and we’ll beat you a point a man. You want to get down and dirty and have a wrestling match? Fair enough, just don’t imagine for a second that you’re going to bully us.
Who is going to push Eoghan O’Gara around? Or the Brogans? Or Cian O’Sullivan? Who is going to think that there’s profit is getting physical with Jonny Cooper or Rory O’Carroll or Philly McMahon?
Donegal are big and strong and McGuinness will come to Croke Park with a game plan, we can be sure of it. But I don’t really see any way that this game isn’t a foregone conclusion.
Dublin should win it comfortably enough because they are patient and physical and even if Donegal don’t let them in for a goal, they are well capable of kicking scores from distance. Donegal’s problem is that they won’t be able to kick enough of them to keep pace.
As for the rest of us, our only problem will be the tolls on the Limerick road.
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Post by seamo on Aug 27, 2014 20:19:28 GMT
This column was supposed to be a big, in-depth breakdown of the Dublin v Donegal game from 2011. I had it planned from a couple of weeks out and I went to great lengths and got the DVD of it sent down to Kerry and everything. But as they say in politics, I was overtaken by events. The first event being the draw between Mayo and Kerry on Sunday. The second was the fixing of the replay for Limerick. In a week like this, with two All-Ireland semi-finals coming up on the weekend and a shambles of a decision when it comes to the venue, there’s hardly much point in me droning on about a game from three years ago. We’ll get to the third event later on. Plenty has been said here, there and everywhere about the replay being in Limerick but to my mind the one thing that has been overlooked is the simplest of all. This is a game for players. Everybody else is incidental to it. Supporters, sponsors, media, whoever – they are additions to the game. The game is about players. Big game No player in the history of the GAA has dreamed of playing an All Ireland semi-final in Limerick. No player has trained for that, no player has worked for it, no player has made the decision that this is what he’s doing with his life with the idea of playing a big game in Limerick in mind. We have all, every one of us who ever pulled on a pair of boots, aimed ourselves at Croke Park. By moving such a marquee game out of Croke Park, the GAA is basically saying that, in their view, the players are not important. Look at what their justification has been – keeping the place clear for the Dubs and Donegal if they need a replay and a load of talk about the amount of money they’ve put into developing Limerick. No regard for what players want or what would be best for them. They didn’t even consult them. This is the point. Forget about location, forget about whether it’s closer to Castlebar or Killarney. People will go to the game, they’ll get there and back and it’ll probably be a fine occasion for us all with a bit of novelty thrown in. But we don’t matter. The players are the ones who matter. And the way they’ve been treated here is: “Go on there now lads, go and do what you’re told”. I hate giving out about the GAA but as far as I can see, they’ve basically told the people who are central to their operations that they’re actually at the bottom of the food chain. As for how it will affect the game, I would see it as a slight disadvantage for Kerry. This is going to sound a bit airy-fairy but there’s something about heading for Dublin at this time of year as a Kerry footballer. This is what you live for. There’s a sort of magic about it. It’s small things. It’s the train journey. It’s the overnight. It’s the Garda escort. It’s the feel of being in Dublin, of knowing that you’re there doing what generations of Kerry footballers down the years have come to Dublin to do. You can’t quantify it obviously but I always think that’s worth a few scores to Kerry. Challenge matches Around Kerry this week, you’d barely know there’s an All-Ireland semi-final on Saturday and a lot of that is down to the venue. Limerick is where you go for early Munster Championship matches. Actually, the majority of games I played in the Gaelic Grounds would have been challenge matches against Mayo or Galway. There’s no big rush for tickets down here because we don’t have any great affinity for the place. There’s a chance that will transmit itself to the players. I don’t think it’s a huge factor but I don’t think it can be ignored either. It’s a mindset thing and if there’s one thing you don’t want to be at a disadvantage on with this Mayo team, it’s mindset. They are so battle-hardened, they are so mentally strong. People wondered last week if their past with Kerry would be a factor – it wasn’t in the slightest. Mayo came out and played ball and they had the winning of it despite losing Lee Keegan. Their quality shone through as well as their character. Look at Cillian O’Connor’s penalty – one chance, roof of the net, play it like you own it. White heat Aidan O’Shea was brilliant as well in that second half. Kerry had plans for him and made him struggle in the first half. But you couldn’t be a fan of Gaelic football and not love the way he bullied his way into the game. There’s not much better in sport than watching a guy in the white heat of a game that really matters putting his hand up and saying: “Lads, I want it, end of story”. But this was a game for the ages and Kerry had plenty to be proud of as well. I thought Keith Higgins had an outstanding game and yet James O’Donoghue still scored 1-3. In the sort of form O’Donoghue is in, I’d say that’s about level par for Higgins. You won’t win the Open with it but it’s no disgrace. And Kerry found a new weapon, even though it’s an old weapon. Nobody saw Kieran Donaghy’s impact coming. It wasn’t flagged at any stage and he didn’t get a game against Galway. Kerry people were surprised to see him come on so I can only guess how surprised Mayo were. They didn’t have a plan to suit him, no more than Kerry had a plan for what to do if Kevin McLoughlin went to wing-back. Will he start the replay? I doubt it, to be honest. The 15 that started on Sunday didn’t let Eamonn Fitzmaurice down at all. But that’s another new angle that Mayo have to spend the week trying to get their head around. They will need a plan for when it happens. I was fairly bullish about Kerry’s chances in the end last week and I couldn’t claim to be quite that confident for the replay. But I do think that the way they dug out that game after giving away the penalty and going five points down bodes very well. If I was a Kerry player this week, I’d be saying these Mayo fellas have had their chance and they didn’t take it. I think I’ll side with my own county. Now, as for that third event I mentioned. It involved me, the DVD of Dublin v Donegal 2011 and the realisation that life’s too short. I got through 10 minutes of it on Monday night before turning it off. Sweet divine, it was atrocious stuff. Turn off I have nothing against Donegal. There’s nothing worse than the arrogance of people who decide the way that football should be played and I respect Jim McGuinness for setting his team up whatever way he thinks he can best win a game. But everybody also has the right to turn off a game if they’re not enjoying it. That game has very little to do with the one we’re going to see on Sunday. The one lesson I did think was worth learning though was that Donegal won’t get the same amount of success this time around if they try to do the same thing. The difference in physique in players like Michael Darragh Macauley, Paul Flynn and Diarmuid Connolly now as compared to then is massive. Go back to the Monaghan game three weeks ago, when Dessie Mone and Paul Finlay were starting to drag out of Flynn to try and get a reaction from him. Monaghan are hardy boys, no doubt about it. But the next ball Flynn got, he knocked Mone into the air like a ragdoll. The executioner Dublin are like the executioner who’s happy to let you choose your own way of being killed. You want to play football? Excellent, let’s play football and we’ll beat you a point a man. You want to get down and dirty and have a wrestling match? Fair enough, just don’t imagine for a second that you’re going to bully us. Who is going to push Eoghan O’Gara around? Or the Brogans? Or Cian O’Sullivan? Who is going to think that there’s profit is getting physical with Jonny Cooper or Rory O’Carroll or Philly McMahon? Donegal are big and strong and McGuinness will come to Croke Park with a game plan, we can be sure of it. But I don’t really see any way that this game isn’t a foregone conclusion. Dublin should win it comfortably enough because they are patient and physical and even if Donegal don’t let them in for a goal, they are well capable of kicking scores from distance. Donegal’s problem is that they won’t be able to kick enough of them to keep pace. As for the rest of us, our only problem will be the tolls on the Limerick road. You plagiarising or is this actually your own column Mickmack?!!
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 27, 2014 21:07:05 GMT
Your being sarcastic right?I wouldn't see a problem in a county's fans doing this. Funny how we in the GAA bash English soccer because their fans can't mix in the stadium. Yet here we have Mayo supporters being criticised for wanting to be in one particular part of the ground. To borrow and paraphrase a line from Mr.Brolly, "We the Gaels own Croke Park, but alas not all Gaels are equal"!!!! lol Yes...obviously. Tom Crean should go to more games and get out of the South Pole Inn to wake up and smell the coffee!! The bottom line for me is that if Donegal v Dublin was the first semi final played and if twas played last sunday and it ended in a draw, it would be replayed on the sat before the hurling final. There would be no question of playing it next sat. Any way that you want to dress it up...that's treating one county more equally than all others. If the match was played in Baile na Sceilige or Ard An Bhothair or Causeway with a Limerick referee and both teams having to wear green and gold you'd still find a reason to say it was somehow "one county being treated more equally" and that county wouldn't be Kerry. Wake up and smell the coffee? You have an massively attractive All-I semi-final replay virtually on your doorstep and you're still pretending to be offended and victimised. Maith an gcluiche a dhuine uasaill, maith an obair! Looking forward to the semi replay in Fitzgerald or the new Pairc ins an gCorcaigh next year, Ciarrai V Na Dubai, leis an reiteoir Seamus Maith an Fhear Aldridge. Would that be redress this awful imbalance a Mhick?
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Post by kerryexile on Aug 27, 2014 21:19:48 GMT
Watched the game again this evening.
The criticism that Kelly came in for was completely unjustified. In that period after half time when Mayo took over it could be argued that he made no mistake. His first 2 kick outs were to Crowley & O'Mahony. In the next 2 kick outs in quick succession (41st & 42nd minutes) it appears as if he just ballooned it out but on both occasions both Moran & Maher were standing within 2 metres of where the ball landed. I think this was planned but they failed to win it. The first resulted in a free in to Mayo & the second a Mayo player broke it to another Mayo player. Kelly was blamed. After that he went back to finding men on the wings.
Crowley had a better game than I thought watching from the stand - very strong and willing to take one for the team - it was too late when he brought down Vaughan but his instinct was to do something unlike what happened in the Galway game.
Buckley had a good first half but went AWOL again and this was part of the problem.
There are very little options for change in the team for Saturday. In defence only 1 question will - Marc keep his place from Young. If Marc starts he should only get 15 minutes if he is like last Sunday. Midfield will be the same.
I dont think Donaghy will start and Sheehan (unless he is very unfit) will get O'Brien's place. Every time Declan tries to break a tackle you expect the 2 knees to colapse so I would not start him. When (not if) Donaghy comes on either BJK or O'Leary should be brought on (those town footballers make an art of being fed the ball and snatching quick points). This would allow JOD & The Geaneys to force the the defence have 2 plans at the same time.
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Post by seamo on Aug 27, 2014 21:20:05 GMT
Yes...obviously. Tom Crean should go to more games and get out of the South Pole Inn to wake up and smell the coffee!! The bottom line for me is that if Donegal v Dublin was the first semi final played and if twas played last sunday and it ended in a draw, it would be replayed on the sat before the hurling final. There would be no question of playing it next sat. Any way that you want to dress it up...that's treating one county more equally than all others. If the match was played in Baile na Sceilige or Ard An Bhothair or Causeway with a Limerick referee and both teams having to wear green and gold you'd still find a reason to say it was somehow "one county being treated more equally" and that county wouldn't be Kerry. Wake up and smell the coffee? You have an massively attractive All-I semi-final replay virtually on your doorstep and you're still pretending to be offended and victimised. Maith an gcluiche a dhuine uasaill, maith an obair! Looking forward to the semi replay in Fitzgerald or the new Pairc ins an gCorcaigh next year, Ciarrai V Na Dubai, leis an reiteoir Seamus Maith an Fhear Aldridge. Would that be redress this awful imbalance a Mhick? I bet you can't say that with a straight face!!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 27, 2014 21:22:10 GMT
Your being sarcastic right?I wouldn't see a problem in a county's fans doing this. Funny how we in the GAA bash English soccer because their fans can't mix in the stadium. Yet here we have Mayo supporters being criticised for wanting to be in one particular part of the ground. To borrow and paraphrase a line from Mr.Brolly, "We the Gaels own Croke Park, but alas not all Gaels are equal"!!!! lol Yes...obviously. Tom Crean should go to more games and get out of the South Pole Inn to wake up and smell the coffee!! The bottom line for me is that if Donegal v Dublin was the first semi final played and if twas played last sunday and it ended in a draw, it would be replayed on the sat before the hurling final. There would be no question of playing it next sat. Any way that you want to dress it up...that's treating one county more equally than all others. I think the GAA would admit that. Where apart from CP could Donegal play Dublin? Look they messed up big time by booking this American Football but the only thing that I would have done is have Thurles over Limerick.
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Post by southward on Aug 27, 2014 21:51:41 GMT
Does anyone think that Marc was judged rather harshly on his performance the last day? Sure he has had much better days but there were times he played extremely well. He won plenty of ball out in front of his man and I thought he did reasonably well on Freeman. Yes he was caught in the first half bringing the ball into contact but that as far as I recall was his only time doing that. He was calmness personified when needed most in being a key player to that beauty of an equaliser. I've watched the match from a television perspective and I thought for all the criticism Marc did okay. When we were overrun in the second half good ball was going in on top of him. After marshaling Freeman he now had the marquee man to patrol. No easy task. I'd put money on it that come Saturday evening we'll be saying Marc was top class. It's rare if ever he's had back to back average games. I thought Marc was very poor and was at fault for a few scores. Still, he had the heart to make that run to set up the equalizer at the end. Can't have been too much in the tank at that stage.
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Post by southward on Aug 27, 2014 21:54:50 GMT
People don't tend to stand in front of your view at home and talk loudly during the game. Then go to a proper pub where they turn up the volume and the game is the centre of attention. The South Pole Inn (not normally considered a GAA pub) put Sunday's on via a projector and the volume was blaring and made a great atmosphere. In all of the other pubs in Annascaul the match would have been the centre of attention. Perhaps you are frequently the wrong type of venue --- I love watching matches in the pub if not live! Far, far more important to this particular debate is... what Kerry match did you have to go to the pub to watch this year because it was on Sky only? Does it still have that mad light/window thing that makes the snowstorm sound when you open it ?
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 27, 2014 22:00:36 GMT
Watched the game again this evening. The criticism that Kelly came in for was completely unjustified. In that period after half time when Mayo took over it could be argued that he made no mistake. His first 2 kick outs were to Crowley & O'Mahony. In the next 2 kick outs in quick succession (41st & 42nd minutes) it appears as if he just ballooned it out but on both occasions both Moran & Maher were standing within 2 metres of where the ball landed. I think this was planned but they failed to win it. The first resulted in a free in to Mayo & the second a Mayo player broke it to another Mayo player. Kelly was blamed. After that he went back to finding men on the wings. Fair play to you for this analysis of the dvd.
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Post by fenit67 on Aug 27, 2014 22:06:49 GMT
Rashers, the problem with this match being played in Limerick is more one of equanimity than anything else. Would you in all honesty expect that if Dublin v Donegal were to finish level the GAA would force them to have the replay in Breffni Park? No they would not because of the loss of potential revenue they would incur. The GAA have acted deplorably in putting other activities before GAA sports which has been done in the name of profit at the expense of principle.
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Post by veteran on Aug 27, 2014 22:10:29 GMT
Is it a fact that the date for a replay of Sunday's game has been in the master fixture list since the start of the year? Somebody said that to me today. The principal reason I am disappointed with the relocation to Limerick is that I am fortunate enough to have a premium ticket for Croke Park so I am a little peeved that I am not making the trek up there this weekend. However, I will get over it. I am mystified at the opprobrium directed at the GAA over the decision to play the game in Limerick. It is not so long ago that people were clamouring for more matches to be taken out of Croke Park . I can vividly recall this happening in connection with Kerry/Cork matches, above all the semifinal replay of 2008. Some of the biggest critics are former players, citing the reason for the venue change as "greed". I wonder how much are these boys being paid for their comments? Would financial considerations come into the equation when they are venting their views? I suppose not, altruism would be the only motivation.
The GAA have plenty of enemies outside the organisation who sneeringly refer to them as catering for lovers of bogball and stickball. They don't need tons of bile emanating from within. I have no problem with the GAA amassing as large a war chest as possible. It seems that every other organisation has that right but not those country bumpkins who cater for football and hurling. Our organisation is pejoratively referred to as the Grab All Association. Why the GAA rather than the IRFU and FAI etc? As far as I know, the GAA publish their accounts every year, income and expenditure is detailed for anybody who has an inclination to deal with facts. The more income that is generated the more that percolates down to a club, county near you. Has somebody got a problem with that ? Perhaps, some within the organisation would like to revert to the time when players togged off in the sideline and used their rolled up pants as goalposts. I have no doubt a lot of people without the orgnanisation would have that wish for us. Now of course, it maybe that some officials in Croke Park are nothing more than embezzlers. If people have any knowledge of that, they have a civic duty to expose it. If not, ramble down to your local club , inspect their facilities and, if impressed, ask what financial aid they got from the Grab All Association. You maybe surprised.
There is no doubt, the GAA has made mistakes and will make more. But compare them to the IRFU and FAI, who until recently had to go cap in hand to the GAA for the use of Croke Park. The FAI, a professional organisation, a member of the most cash rich sporting organisation in the world ,are up to their eyes in debt and shamelessly have to get a wealthy businessman to pay the salary of their national team manager. Yet, they pay their chief executive a salary of the guts of half a million. I say cherish the GAA, warts and all.
As far as I know, the regulation governing a "clash" of colours is that the participating counties wear their provincial strip. That would be white for Mayo. Cleverly,and understandably, they simply wear a variation of their red and green. No such ingenuity by our County Board, rather an attitude of "give them blue" with the same indifference that they give us illegible numbers. The green and gold jersey is possibly the most identifiable brand in the GAA, yet our County Board seem to treat it as if it was a sack cloth. In my experience one of the most annoying clashes of colours is when Cork and Galway play a hurling match- I find the maroon and red almost indistinguishable. Can anybody remember when the participating counties changed colours for that particular game? Would Frank Murphy countenance the Cork hurlers dropping the red jersey? No need to reply. The readiness of our Board to drop the green and gold irks me to a far greater extent than locating a match in Limerick rather than in Dublin.
One further comment on the fixing of the match for Limerick. Liam O'Neill said they have a fine stadium down there and should be utilised more and that it will help the local economy. Noble sentiments. But Liam, spread the love around. We have a fine stadium in Killarney. Give us the occasional hurling match. These shouldn't be the preserve of Cork and Thurles. If the counties object, citing inconvenient location, use carrot and stick to sweet talk them to change their minds. We are all brothers and sisters.
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Post by seamo on Aug 27, 2014 22:22:53 GMT
veteran (not going to quote your essay! lol) Cherish the GAA for what exactly Veteran? All you seem to be angling at is that the GAA are better business men than the IRFU and FAI! But hey if that's what you think the GAA should be about than good luck to you. O and Brolly made an excellent observation(he's on a roll this week!) Monday morning on Radio Kerry; the GAA kept Croke Park open even when it was being developed. It was a principle the GAA during those times that our biggest games would still take place in Croke Park, yet here we are Croke Park shutting it's doors to the footballers of Mayo and Kerry. But again if that's what the GAA should be about to you, you should be be very pleased.
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