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Post by betfairking on Sept 2, 2007 19:09:50 GMT
At least it's not John Bannon.
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martym
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Post by martym on Sept 2, 2007 20:36:36 GMT
That omen will be out the window when killkenny win on sunday. It is out the window now .
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Post by betfairking on Sept 2, 2007 22:45:29 GMT
Sunday September 2nd 2001 we lost to Meath by 15 points. That was the last time a team from outside the North(Armagh once & Tyrone twice) beat us in Croke Park. An outstanding record which will hopefully be in tact 2 weeks tonight.
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falveyb2k
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"The way this man played today, if there was a flood he'd walk on water. Jack O Shea"
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Post by falveyb2k on Sept 2, 2007 23:04:22 GMT
erm you're forgetting July 16th last year, owenabue might fill you in on that.........
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Aine
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Post by Aine on Sept 3, 2007 1:53:23 GMT
That wasn't in Croke Park.
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Post by kerryman on Sept 3, 2007 12:26:52 GMT
I'd hold Mike Frank and Tommy Griffin in reserve.
No opposition will relish the thought of marking 1 of those 2 with fresh legs in the second half.
Scanlon and all of the forwards against Dublin deserve to hold there place at the moment.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 3, 2007 14:42:32 GMT
i'd say MFR is fairly pissed off at this stage at being held in reserve,hard to see him bothering for two much longer,a bit like eamonn fitz.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 3, 2007 15:11:19 GMT
i'd say MFR is fairly pissed off at this stage at being held in reserve,hard to see him bothering for two much longer,a bit like eamonn fitz. Why would he. He scores 6 points against Cork in the Munster final, has an off day against Monaghan along with 12-13 more players, yet scores 3 points and is dropped for the Semi-Final.
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wonka
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Post by wonka on Sept 3, 2007 15:26:25 GMT
i think its a disgrace that tommy griffin wont be starting the next day!!he should be after his preformance the last day!he changed the game..when he was taken off 5 un awnsered points...i know the team is nt picked yet but we all know scanlon will be starting which is a joke
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 3, 2007 15:28:38 GMT
i'd say MFR is fairly pissed off at this stage at being held in reserve,hard to see him bothering for two much longer,a bit like eamonn fitz. Why would he. He scores 6 points against Cork in the Munster final, has an off day against Monaghan along with 12-13 more players, yet scores 3 points and is dropped for the Semi-Final. fall guy springs to mind
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 3, 2007 16:32:33 GMT
Wonka - one player saw the ball more than any other player, and contributed more to the constant wave of players moving forward with the ball - Seamus Scanlon.
Yes, he hit two bad wides, but at least he found himself in the position, and he kept going after the wides and contributed handsomely in the second half.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 3, 2007 16:42:22 GMT
seamus has to and will start the next day unless things go horribly wrong for him at training.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 3, 2007 16:44:45 GMT
Why would he. He scores 6 points against Cork in the Munster final, has an off day against Monaghan along with 12-13 more players, yet scores 3 points and is dropped for the Semi-Final. fall guy springs to mind Kerrygold...... who would you drop to make way for MRF. Simple question......
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 3, 2007 16:48:16 GMT
you couldnt at this stage,but i'm refering to him being dropped after the monaghan game,sheehan was superb v dublin and justified his selection but who's to say mfr wouldnt have played well v dublin.But having said that, sheehans long free was like a dagger to dublin hearts after declans goal.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Sept 3, 2007 17:05:57 GMT
Scanlon has'nt let us down this year at all and will be well able for it, give the guy a break, he has played 2 championship games this year and has'nt done a whole pile wrong. As for MFR i was disappointed for him that he did'nt get a run against Dublin at some stage but he had an excellent munster final and the selectors should remember that when they sit down to pick the team, horses for courses and all that...
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Post by Kingdomson on Sept 3, 2007 19:20:47 GMT
I know this is a pedantic argument but someone was going to be dropped after the Monaghan game, it appears to me that MFR was the scapegoat for that performance. Really, in all honesty, on seasons form it should have been Brosnan to go but that was never going to happen in the present circumstances no matter what anyone say's. As for the final we won't see changes to the starting forwards but for the record my starting forwards against this Cork team would be:
Sean O Sullivan Byran Sheehan Declan O Sullivan
Colm Cooper Star Donaghy M.F. Russell
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Post by Die Hard Kerry Fan on Sept 3, 2007 19:32:34 GMT
Interesting selection, why drop Galvin though? He had a pretty good game the last day and always good to have his aggression to drive Kerry on that extra bit. Once he can hold the head and not go overboard he's worth his place everytime, in my opinion.
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Post by kerryeye on Sept 3, 2007 19:45:59 GMT
Bigbro my starting forwards would be the same as the last day,while i agree that it was harsh on MFR to get dropped against Dublin ,Sheehan did more than enough to cement his place for the final.Just wonderin why would u drop Galvin??
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Post by Kingdomson on Sept 3, 2007 20:39:14 GMT
why would u drop Galvin??[/quote]
Listen, Paul Galvin is an absolutely fantastic footballer, the bravest of the brave and Paul will start in Pat O' Shea's team and I have no doubt about or problem with that. Indeed, the forwards will start the same as against Dublin. Luckily we have talent to burn in the forwards and it is just my own personal feeling that Paul will be targeted early by Cork in this game and I don't want to see Kerry down to 14 men inside the first ten minutes. Anyway they are also footballing reasons, we all know that Kerry play with at least 8 forwards in every game now and by that I mean our forwards starting and on the bench are very inter-changeable. Just playing devil's advocate here, why not start Sean Ban and make Cork think? Sean Ban is something different - I like his pace, I like his skill level and the way he can float that diagonal ball across the full forward line to attack and he will have way too much footballing ability for Noel O’ Leary. As for playing Sean Ban instead of Paul Galvin, I’m not going to get into any silly argument about which player is better but each have different talents and attributes to bring to the table. Anyway, I'm just THINKING OUT LOUD no offence to any Paul Galvin fan's out there, I'm huge one myself!! Furthermore, Byran Sheenan is a wonderful player, boy can he kick, his just not a corner man in my opinion, I think with his particular skills and vision he would make an excellent 40 yard man as he can spray kick a ball into anyone on a penny anywhere (I’ve seen him do it) as well as shoot from distance and take his own scores. The six forwards I selected I would argue are the most balanced unit with the most skill for this game and we still have great forwards on the bench to utilise but hey it’s just an opinion it's all subjective.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 3, 2007 20:40:41 GMT
i can see your thinking bigbrother,i assume your factoring in the combustable situation that could arise between o leary and paul, and sean bans diagonal ball into donaghy.
personally i thought brosnan had a great 50 minutes v dublin and did enough to start again,i also think galvin will be fine in the final
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 3, 2007 20:45:44 GMT
the challenge for Paul Galvin is to keep his focus and concentrate on football for 70 minutes for the sake of his county. In the munster final he was too easily distracted by O Leary. He kicked two early points against dublin but got dragged into the silly stuff after that. I feel big brother has something in relation to dropping him but I cant see it happen.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 3, 2007 20:50:05 GMT
it wont happen,who would pick up all the breaks that are going to be flying around when all the big men collide at midfield,sean ban,sheehan,declan?,na
this game is made for galvin to get down and get dirty and win the scour balls in the inferno.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 3, 2007 20:59:05 GMT
he is clearly being targeted now because of his temperment............ can he hold it for 70 minutes?
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Post by Die Hard Kerry Fan on Sept 3, 2007 21:03:57 GMT
Not looking to argue with you at all bigbro, very valid points you've put forward there.. The change in personnel could throw off Cork tactics big time, as I'm sure, as has been suggested that they may try use Galvin's temperament to get him in trouble.
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Post by Kingdomson on Sept 3, 2007 21:08:09 GMT
it wont happen,who would pick up all the breaks that are going to be flying around when all the big men collide at midfield,sean ban,sheehan,declan?,na Oh, you of little faith... I think you will see Sheehan go from strength to strength particularily after the Dublin game (It's a confidence thing and now finally there starting him). Sheehan out around the middle picking up breaks have you seen him with South kerry - as they would say in Cork - not a problem boy!! Sean Ban with his quick hands and legs is well capable as well of stepping up to the mark and winning breaks. As for footballer of the year Declan O'Sullivan where that leather thing is with O'neills on it - he will be there.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 3, 2007 21:41:29 GMT
it wont happen,who would pick up all the breaks that are going to be flying around when all the big men collide at midfield,sean ban,sheehan,declan?,na Oh, you of little faith... I think you will see Sheehan go from strength to strength particularily after the Dublin game (It's a confidence thing and now finally there starting him). Sheehan out around the middle picking up breaks have you seen him with South kerry - as they would say in Cork - not a problem boy!! Sean Ban with his quick hands and legs is well capable as well of stepping up to the mark and winning breaks. As for footballer of the year Declan O'Sullivan where that leather thing is with O'neills on it - he will be there. i fully agree with all of that and yes mickmack galvin will hold his head for 76 minutes.
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Post by Walter Mitty on Sept 4, 2007 8:29:17 GMT
Dropping Galvin is a ridulous idea in my opinion...What good is it bringing on your 2nd best forward (after Gooch) when your 6 points down after 20 minutes after cork have blown us out of the water winning every damn break around the middle.
You may as well not start gooch and hold him back for the 2nd half.
Galvin has been consistently our best half forward/break winner/ball breaker over the past 3 years and we need him at his terrorising best to beat cork for the whole game.
My front 8 is
Dara Seamus Scan Declan Brosnan Galvin Gooch Donaghy MFR
The reason I say MFR is that his record against cork in Croke Park is awesome. If its a dry day start Frannie. If its wet and scrappy start Sheehan
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Post by lostinmayo on Sept 4, 2007 8:44:34 GMT
i think its a disgrace that tommy griffin wont be starting the next day!!he should be after his preformance the last day!he changed the game..when he was taken off 5 un awnsered points...i know the team is nt picked yet but we all know scanlon will be starting which is a joke Wonka, you need to look at the replay of this game, when Griffin came on, Kerry were well on top and i don't think they scored for rest of first half, so yeah he changed it in Dublin's favour, as for 2nd half, Dublin had well and truly started their comeback before he went off and he was visibly tiring, he was caught very badly for the Shane Ryan free incident, Pat O' Shea did right thing taking him off 1 min after that and not Seamus, Darragh came in and steadied the ship - after a few mins - Scanlon was heavily involved in last 5 mins of game and did very well, he doesn't seem to have any problem with fitness, he was up there beside Tomas looking for the pass against Monaghan, thank God Tomas didn't see him or ignored him..... Don't get me wrong, Tommy played well, but he doesn't deserve to start, simple as that.. as for Sheehan on the 40, i don't agree with that atall, he is Kerry's greediest forward, i can't comment what he's like for south kerry, but from what i see of him with Kerry, he doesn't link up that well and his first option is always to look for a score, not like the Gooch who always takes the right option, i think he would be a brilliant 40 yards man, but then of course you lose his threat inside, can we clone him?
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Post by lostinmayo on Sept 4, 2007 8:50:34 GMT
as for dropping Galvin, i can see the arguments for this, but no way would i drop him, i agree he's been one of our most consistent performers, i would say 2nd best after Gooch in last few years, i'd say Star and Declan would be vying for that...
anyway, i'd start him, you need him in the dogfight at the start of a game, but i certainly would look to take him off early, i was screaming at the tv to get him off against the Dubs, i'm sure he'll be well warned to keep the head and that he will be targeted, will that be enuf.....
The other side of the coin is if u don't start him and obviously u'd have to bring him on in 2nd half, imagine him stuck on the bench for the first 50-55 mins of the game, he would literaly burst someone when he comes on, most probably Noel O'Leary..
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Post by lostinmayo on Sept 4, 2007 8:51:56 GMT
meant to say "i wouldn't say 2nd best"
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