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Post by peanuts on Apr 9, 2012 11:42:45 GMT
Played with the breeze in the first half but were completely outplayed at mid field with the backs under fierce pressure; Sheehan did his best but Star was trying to catch any ball with one hand and was not at the races; half back line over run ( Brosnan very out of sorts), McGuire given the run around in the corner; Crowley brave but too many running at him to make a difference. 1-8 to 0-3 coming up to half time but 4 lightning points left us in a better position;Gooch very dangerous but the referee disallowed what looked like a perfectly good Kerry goal but then allowed a rather dubious effort from Mayo when it looked distinctly a "square ball". Changes at half time brought Galvin in at 10 for O'Callaghan and Darran for BJK- it could very well have been O'Leary who sat out the second half as he did little in the first and was twice blocked down in possession; the introduction of the aforementioned plus later Declan and Marc had us on the offensive but the ref again intervened incensing the crowd when penalising Gooch for an illegal handpass- strangely this was the only handpass he called all day.Gooch was fouled for a penalty following a storming run by Crowley( now a free man following the dismissal of Mayo wing back for 2 yellows) which Sheehan powered to the net; minutes later we looked like getting another when Curtin ( again impressive) was fouled but the official deemed that play should continue. A draw was secured by a last minute "50" from Bryan Sheehan whose free taking was again of the highest standard. A draw means both meet again next Sunday in the semi final and surely a final beckons after this display. One final word on the referee who was to put it mildly diabolical- inconsistent, blowing for unnecessary fouls, not applying the advantage and generally out of his depth- if he was a player for either side serving up this performance he would have been withdrawn early. Mayo's goal was clearly not a square ball. Just saw it again on RTE player and the ball was well in the square before the player. The ref made enough mistakes but not that one.
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Post by mitchels on Apr 9, 2012 14:35:13 GMT
I think it has been a good league for Kerry even if they dont win it . They have tried a lot of players and i think they had to find new players and they did . Kealy is the number one now and he will be for the year . Peter Crowley , Brian McGuire , Shane Enright and John Lyne have showed promise . BJ Keane , James o' Donoghue , Pat Curtin all looked good . Kelly or Mac an tSaoir didnt show me anything but they only got a game each . They are still young . Midfield is an issue we dont have a back up . Scanlod seems to be injured a lot after that who knows . Johnny Buckley and David o' Callaghan for me are not up to that standard . Iwould have liked to have seen Daithi Casey get a game . My team next week would be 1 B.Kealy 2 S.Enright 3 M.o' Se 4 K.Young 5 P.Crowley 6 E.Brosnan 7 B.McGuire 8 A.Maher 9 B.Sheehan 10 P. Galvin 11 Darren o' Sullivan 12 Declan o' Sullivan 13 C .Cooper 14 K .Donaghy 15 P . Curtin SUBS 16 B.Kelly 17 A . o' Mahony 18 BJ Keane 19 J. o' Donoghue 20 J. Lyne 21 J . Buckley 22 D o' Callaghan 23 D . Casey 24 D . Walsh
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Post by givehimaball on Apr 9, 2012 14:56:25 GMT
Hammered at midfield first quarter but when we started to get the ball to the forwards they were doing damage. ...if Brian Sheehan keeps up this form for the season, he has to be a shoo-in for player of the year. Wha? I know Bryan scored 1-6 and as someone else said saved our bacon but seriously POTY ? Calm down The fact that we were so cleaned out at midfield was my major negative to take out of this game. This was obviously changed by the sending off as with 15 v 14 there clearly isn't the same imperative to win midfield ball (as there will always be a free man available for a kick out) However even though I've raised it before and in spite of his performance from the dead ball yesterday I remain convinced that Sheehan shouldn't line out as a midfielder. The major job of playing midfield is winning possession and Sheehan just doesn't do enough of this for him to be positioned in the midfield slot. I believe the Kerry team could be stronger if he is located in the half-forward line. He was clearly not helped by the fact that Brosnan was majorly out-of-form and Donaghy is not a natural midfielder. Throw in the inexperience of the other members of the central 8 (Crowley, Lyne, O'Callaghan, Keane and Buckley) and it explains why we were so cleaned out at midfield. Aidan O' Shea was really on form and continued his performance level from his impressive display against Dublin. It doesn't excuse it, but it does explain it. Obviously I am not suggesting dropping him and in fact I would still have him as an automatic name on the team-sheet. Defence was utter massive pressure given the disaster at midfield and with Mayo forwards in good form. However I believe this would fall under the category of games where having the defence under pressure is a positive akin to the saying that you learn a lot more from a loss that a victory. The fact that several soft frees were given away will surely be something that Jack and Co pick up on. 7 points from dead balls is a lot to give away, especially given the very scoreable nature of some of the frees. It was clear that once we got ball into the forwards we could do damage. As others said saw nothing wrong with Gooch's goal. Curtin continues to impress. Utter class by Gooch to beat the keeper Clarke, who I'd rate as a very good keeper (hadn't conceded any goals in the league up until yesterday) He certainly didnt think there was anything wrong with Gooch's goal given his visible reaction. Also there was no way we were going to get a 2nd penalty no matter what occurred. GAA refs are massively reluctant to give a 2nd penalty to the same side and I'd imagine the stats on the number of matches where a 2nd penalty was given to one side as opposed to an even-ing out penalty was given would make fairly interesting reading. Fair result. Good to see Mayo going well. With a soft enough route to the quarters I wouldn't be surprised if they managed to cause an upset down the line. On the positive side the experimental nature of the side looked to be the overwhelmingly correct result. Jack and Co will have learned a lot about the fringe players and the state of the squad. The "replay" the next day should be interesting. to see how things change/develop. I would imagine that it would be a less experimental side especially with the reward of a game against either Cork or Down(still fall into the "owe them a few beatings" category, especially in Croke Park imo]
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Post by veteran on Apr 9, 2012 16:17:45 GMT
That was a fine post Givehimaball but I disagree with your assessment of Bryan Sheehan at midfield.
You claim that a midfielder's primary job is to win possession of the ball, by that I presume you mean to field the ball. That is an ideal to aspire to but for better or worse, like other positions on the field, midfield play has changed. How many high catches are effected by modern midfielders? Not as many as you and I would like. How many midfield pairings are capable of consistently of out fielding their opponents? Perhaps, Cork on a good day. I do not have statistics to back up my claim but instinctively I feel our two regular midfielders catch as many high ones as most. Aiden O'Shea had a fine first half yesterday but he owes that and more to Mayo. I will need to see more of him.More ball is broken at midfield nowadays and Bryan is as good as any of his opponents at picking up those.
Bryan will not dominate midfield in the air but there are not too many out there who will. He is as mobile as most midfielders and is good as any midfielder at picking midfield breaks. There is one area where is well ahead of most midfielders that is in the art of kicking. I am not talking about his breathtaking frees but rather his kicking out of hand. Is there a better midfielder in the land at that art? Is there a midfielder with a better scoring rate out of hand.
Playing Bryan in the half forward line? He has been tried in that location in the past but it is a chapter in his football career that is best forgotten. Play him at centre forward? He probably could make a good fist of it but do we need another forty yards man? Declan, Darren, even Paul could be slotted in there.
In summary, Bryan may not be the most consistent high fielder at midfield but he is probably the most complete practitioner in that area. The problem is not Anthony or Bryan, the problem is back up.
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Post by mitchels on Apr 9, 2012 17:52:37 GMT
Back up is an issue for sure . Its amazing we cant find a good midfielder in all of kerry even as a sub .
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Post by seamo on Apr 9, 2012 18:15:08 GMT
I just don't know am I the only one watching the games? Surely not Sheehan = very good at midfield + he provides the high catches many so desire + his possession stats are high + he is a scoring midfielder FROM PLAY ALSO + he is a great foot passer, which we've needed since Dara retired. Add to this Maher's continuing development, and one can't help but wonder if some people just can't be happy!!! Sheehan is excelling at midfield. Our only problem at midfield is finding a backup to the 2 very good starters we have.
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Post by buck02 on Apr 9, 2012 18:53:16 GMT
Peter Crowley handled the ball most yesterday - 20 times. Obviously he was a free man for the last 20 minutes or so but still good to see a "new" young player taking on that much responsibility.
I noticed one of the Mayo mentors shaking his head before the game as he watched Galvin, Marc, Declan & Darran make their way to the bench. I can imagine what he was thinking to himself.
I would love to see the referees assessor's report of yesterdays game. The loudest cheer of the first half was when Kerry got a free in the middle of the field. An ironic cheer that could probably have been heard in Waterford.
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Post by mitchels on Apr 9, 2012 19:24:37 GMT
I think Sheehan and Maher are good i just think if they get injured we are in trouble . I dont think Buckley or Donaghy would do midfield if Scanlon isnt there what would we do . I think we need to look at bringing in a midfielder for some trial games or something before the championship .
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Post by Tadhgeen on Apr 9, 2012 21:13:05 GMT
Thanks to all for the comments - very much appreciated as I could not get near the radio let alone attend the game or watch highlights.
I think we are in a good position having tried out a number of players. However I think we should now start putting out a more settled team. There are a number of positions up for grabs. Wing back, corner back, corner forward, wing forward. Also cover for full back, midfield.
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Post by southward on Apr 9, 2012 22:23:21 GMT
I think Sheehan and Maher are good i just think if they get injured we are in trouble . I dont think Buckley or Donaghy would do midfield if Scanlon isnt there what would we do . I think we need to look at bringing in a midfielder for some trial games or something before the championship . Methinks we demand too much sometimes. We've arguably the best midfield pairing this past 2 years in Maher & Sheehan. As backup and if need be, we've got options in Scanlon (all-star m/f 09), Buckley, Donaghy and Brosnan, not forgetting Dave Moran whenever he's fit again. Its not like we're Real Madrid or Man City who can buy a dozen superstars for every position, but I suspect we're better off for centrefield than anyone else at the moment. The biggest problem yesterday wasn't the fielders, it was the breaking balls, where we lost out heavily in my opinion.
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Post by lorr29 on Apr 9, 2012 23:15:51 GMT
I've been out of touch with this league for various reasons so it was nice to get a game in while I'm back...quick question is Donnacdh W injured?
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Post by no1kerryfan on Apr 10, 2012 0:11:49 GMT
I've been out of touch with this league for various reasons so it was nice to get a game in while I'm back...quick question is Donnacdh W injured? yes Donnacadh is currently injured
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Post by kerrystar on Apr 10, 2012 0:38:53 GMT
That was a fine post Givehimaball but I disagree with your assessment of Bryan Sheehan at midfield. You claim that a midfielder's primary job is to win possession of the ball, by that I presume you mean to field the ball. That is an ideal to aspire to but for better or worse, like other positions on the field, midfield play has changed. How many high catches are effected by modern midfielders? Not as many as you and I would like. How many midfield pairings are capable of consistently of out fielding their opponents? Perhaps, Cork on a good day. I do not have statistics to back up my claim but instinctively I feel our two regular midfielders catch as many high ones as most. Aiden O'Shea had a fine first half yesterday but he owes that and more to Mayo. I will need to see more of him.More ball is broken at midfield nowadays and Bryan is as good as any of his opponents at picking up those. Bryan will not dominate midfield in the air but there are not too many out there who will. He is as mobile as most midfielders and is good as any midfielder at picking midfield breaks. There is one area where is well ahead of most midfielders that is in the art of kicking. I am not talking about his breathtaking frees but rather his kicking out of hand. Is there a better midfielder in the land at that art? Is there a midfielder with a better scoring rate out of hand. Playing Bryan in the half forward line? He has been tried in that location in the past but it is a chapter in his football career that is best forgotten. Play him at centre forward? He probably could make a good fist of it but do we need another forty yards man? Declan, Darren, even Paul could be slotted in there. In summary, Bryan may not be the most consistent high fielder at midfield but he is probably the most complete practitioner in that area. The problem is not Anthony or Bryan, the problem is back up. Agree 100% with all of that
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Post by kerrystar on Apr 10, 2012 0:43:32 GMT
Good to see Fionn Fitzgerald on the bench even if he will probably see no action this year. Fine player with bags of potential.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 10, 2012 2:35:26 GMT
I’d prefer to say this in the pub as there is plenty of loose talk around here and bull that I want to talk about but I can’t keep it in my head. Spare your criticism for somewhere else I believe.
The ref was terrible... throughout. Kerry got the last two kicks of the game and neither were frees. When Galvin's serenader was sent off, well I go back: PG Tips wins a ball around the forty and feeds the strong Crowley. The young Laune man makes an assured run only to be halted by the shrill on the honourable Mr. Condon’s whistle. Mr. Condon stops the play as the Finuge man has gotten some treatment and affords the Mayo man an early night. This skirmish took place on the 45 yet the referee gave the free on the sod that the young UCC starlet had to give up the ghost upon… this man is a joker. This was a free to be given on the 45 and I believe in the dying embers of the game he rode Mayo.
I am not a traditionalist but Cooper and Curtin did not see enough ball. Did anyone else see Curtin’s chip-point? By the letter of the law Gooch’s dance was not a goal but why not call it out the field? Mayo’s goal was a goal all day long.
Myself and my buddy may have to go up to Dublin next weekend and I hope I meet a young woman to make it worthwhile.
Maher for POTY!!!
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Post by lár na páirce on Apr 10, 2012 11:18:58 GMT
Maurice Condon was baffling on Sunday,He failed to be consistent and communicate with the players..Dont like slating Ref's but he had a very poor outing..Saying that he was right not to allow the Gooch's goal,He picked it clean up off the ground but what a finish by the Gooch..Also he did foul the ball when penalised for the handpass in the 2nd half.
Enright did well in the Backs,Still i feel he needs more game time..Crowley had a good 2nd half bursting forward..Killian Young needs to improve and i feel his future is in the Full Back line...We have too many options on the 40..
Scanlon & Maher were missed on Sunday Badly
O Callaghan i feel let nerves get to him on Sunday..He covered alot of ground..got into a few good scoring positions and i think kicked a couple of wides..So the potential is there and maybe the year on the panel will do him the world of good...One for next year maybe..
Buckley was poor in my opinion,Very lazy around the field but maybe a run in MF would give him more responsibility...He can do it as we have seen with Crokes and UCC.As with O Callaghan maybe next year
Curtin seems to be "the find " this year..Really progressing well and kicking a few points with it..Nice to see the Gooch stay inside the 30 throughout the game also...
Star had an off day at MF but has had a good League at No.12...Still feel his future is in the FF line
Champ Panel so Far
Kealy Mac An Tsaoir/Kelly
Marc Aidan O Mahoney Killian Tómas
Brosnan McGuire Crowley Enright
Lyne Bohane/Tom Sullivan
Scanlon Maher Sheehan Buckley
Darran Declan Galvin Gooch
Star O'Leary Curtin James O D
BJ Keane Donnacha
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Post by playitfair on Apr 10, 2012 14:21:54 GMT
A couple of comments on Sunday.
1. All in all, a poor enough match that hardly justified the trip. 2. On the day of the passing of a true great, Young Curtin showed real class. A definite summer starter. 3. I don't go along that BJK had a shocker. I thought he played ok in the first half. There were 3 other forwards that played worse.
4. The real change in the game came with the (a) Mayo sending off; (b) Introduction of Marc O'Shea (Class) and (c) Introduction of Conor Mortimer (Anonymous).
5. I found it difficult to judge the backs as they were being overrun at times or had all the time in the world in the second half. Having said that I like the cut of Crowley even though he has a tendency to lose a player when tight to him and static.
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Post by Jigz84 on Apr 10, 2012 14:40:20 GMT
A couple of comments on Sunday. 1. All in all, a poor enough match that hardly justified the trip. 2. On the day of the passing of a true great, Young Curtin showed real class. A definite summer starter. 3. I don't go along that BJK had a shocker. I thought he played ok in the first half. There were 3 other forwards that played worse.4. The real change in the game came with the (a) Mayo sending off; (b) Introduction of Marc O'Shea (Class) and (c) Introduction of Conor Mortimer (Anonymous). 5. I found it difficult to judge the backs as they were being overrun at times or had all the time in the world in the second half. Having said that I like the cut of Crowley even though he has a tendency to lose a player when tight to him and static. I assume you mean O' Leary, Buckley and O' Callaghan. They were dire. Buckley stands around too much for my liking, admiring other players instead of getting stuck in.
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Post by buck02 on Apr 10, 2012 15:04:00 GMT
Listening to Terrace Talk last night I think Johnny Buckley was 3rd in terms of possesions last Sunday. He also caught two clean kick outs. Hardly dire? I think he will be a serious option, maybe not this year, but in the not too distant future. I held a similar belief for David Moran and he was just coming nicely to the boil before the injury above in Monaghan.
And while Paddy Curtain has impressed in most games so far I wouldnt have him down as a definite starter come the summer yet. I think that Galvin, Darran, Declan, Gooch and Donaghy will be 5 of the starters if everybody is fit. The other place will be between Leary, Donnchadh Walsh, Paddy Curtain, James O D and BJK.
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Post by veteran on Apr 10, 2012 20:52:58 GMT
Lorr 29,
Doncha has been out injured but was on the panel last Sunday and looked fine and sprightly in the pre match workout. He may get a run next Sunday.
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Post by blackisbad on Apr 11, 2012 9:24:08 GMT
I was just informed that mark o se is turning 32 this week, i know he has been one of kerry's best players over the last decade but i think his slowing down alot and it might b time for him to hang up the boots........
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 11, 2012 9:52:13 GMT
I was just informed that mark o se is turning 32 this week, i know he has been one of kerry's best players over the last decade but i think his slowing down alot and it might b time for him to hang up the boots........ ;D ;D ;D Whatever you're smoking...
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Post by animal on Apr 11, 2012 10:09:44 GMT
I was just informed that mark o se is turning 32 this week, i know he has been one of kerry's best players over the last decade but i think his slowing down alot and it might b time for him to hang up the boots........ ;D ;D ;D Whatever you're smoking... Indeed. Pass it around.
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Post by blackisbad on Apr 11, 2012 14:59:46 GMT
i gave up the fags years ago jp
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Post by Kingdomson on Apr 11, 2012 17:45:13 GMT
I was just informed that mark o se is turning 32 this week, i know he has been one of kerry's best players over the last decade but i think his slowing down alot and it might b time for him to hang up the boots........ April Fools' Day is over kid! ;D
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Post by blackisbad on Apr 11, 2012 21:43:27 GMT
Look i respect all that mark has done for kerry over the years but the fact of the matter is he hasnt started the last few games and i honestly think jack is realising that mark's best years in a kerry jersey are behind him
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Post by seamo on Apr 11, 2012 21:55:58 GMT
Look i respect all that mark has done for kerry over the years but the fact of the matter is he hasnt started the last few games and i honestly think jack is realising that mark's best years in a kerry jersey are behind him Seriously dude wtf are you talking about? We're all entitled to our opinions, including you.....but this is just crazy talk . 1. If he's not our best player, he's certainly our best defender. 2. He is playing well, and he is starting games , watch him start against Mayo at the weekend. 3. Even if he wasn't playing well, IT'S APRIL!!! Come championship time this guy will assume his position as the best defender in Ireland yet again bar none. Look at Tomas most years and Tom Sullivan; poor in June/July but when they hit Croke Park in August they peak.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 11, 2012 22:09:31 GMT
Look i respect all that mark has done for kerry over the years but the fact of the matter is he hasnt started the last few games and i honestly think jack is realising that mark's best years in a kerry jersey are behind him You must be the type of fellow who was cheering for Caltra back in '04.
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Post by fivenarow on Apr 11, 2012 22:20:57 GMT
Look i respect all that mark has done for kerry over the years but the fact of the matter is he hasnt started the last few games and i honestly think jack is realising that mark's best years in a kerry jersey are behind him Youre probably right about his best years being behind him - theres only one way to go after being footballer of the year i suppose I think you might be jumping the gun a small bit though,if Mark O Se keeps in good health & injury free he could be playing inter county football for another 4 years,his reading of the game will make up when the speed starts to go a bit - class & determination to win is permanent & he's not wanting on either front. Just look at Paul Scholes at Man Utd,retired too early & now he's playing next season as well
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Post by neverlettheballhop on Apr 12, 2012 11:57:29 GMT
Look i respect all that mark has done for kerry over the years but the fact of the matter is he hasnt started the last few games and i honestly think jack is realising that mark's best years in a kerry jersey are behind him Thats a fair leap of logic blackisbad. Marc Ó Sé will still be marking the oppositions best forward this year. And when the legs do go for the sprints Id move him to half back line.
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