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Post by seamo on Apr 3, 2012 16:54:18 GMT
Colm is only 28 for jaysus sake, not 38. And I'd like to see how he does with Curtin and Declan in the FF. And hopefully we'll have the pleasure of watching him play well into his 30's with Kerry - fail to prepare and all that................ Are we not forgetting that Colm and Declan played on the full forward line in 2009? Paddy Curtain looks game ball enough to learn very quickly. On an aside, Colm has played a world of football at this stage in his career, both with club and county - it would be wise to take a much longer term view of his future potential contribution to Kerry football. Although I would imagine he eager to get back into the team sooner rather than later. Colm O'Rourke commented one time about protecting young players from themselves to the amusement of Shane O'Rourke as he first broke into the Meath senior team as an underage player. Shane will have spent 2-3 of the last seasons looking in from the outside due to injury problems. To a point you are right Kerrygold. But it's April now! 2 games in the league left, 3 max; he's already training so he might aswell start playing some games because he's next chance of a serious intercounty game isn't until end of June or so. I would say in future. Colm sits out Feb and most of March to go along with your Tony Browne argument, likewise Declan. But April is time to start getting some games under their belts.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 3, 2012 21:52:14 GMT
And hopefully we'll have the pleasure of watching him play well into his 30's with Kerry - fail to prepare and all that................ Are we not forgetting that Colm and Declan played on the full forward line in 2009? Paddy Curtain looks game ball enough to learn very quickly. On an aside, Colm has played a world of football at this stage in his career, both with club and county - it would be wise to take a much longer term view of his future potential contribution to Kerry football. Although I would imagine he eager to get back into the team sooner rather than later. Colm O'Rourke commented one time about protecting young players from themselves to the amusement of Shane O'Rourke as he first broke into the Meath senior team as an underage player. Shane will have spent 2-3 of the last seasons looking in from the outside due to injury problems. To a point you are right Kerrygold. But it's April now! 2 games in the league left, 3 max; he's already training so he might aswell start playing some games because he's next chance of a serious intercounty game isn't until end of June or so. I would say in future. Colm sits out Feb and most of March to go along with your Tony Browne argument, likewise Declan. But April is time to start getting some games under their belts. I think it is debatable seamo87 if the league is important for some players with the huge window between completion of the League and August bank holiday weekend.
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Post by kerrystar on Apr 4, 2012 11:06:18 GMT
To a point you are right Kerrygold. But it's April now! 2 games in the league left, 3 max; he's already training so he might aswell start playing some games because he's next chance of a serious intercounty game isn't until end of June or so. I would say in future. Colm sits out Feb and most of March to go along with your Tony Browne argument, likewise Declan. But April is time to start getting some games under their belts. I think it is debatable seamo87 if the league is important for some players with the huge window between completion of the League and August bank holiday weekend. Too much time is spent on the league. The modern player is as fit in February as he is in August. Why not scrap it? Use the McGrath/O'Byrne/McKenna cups as a pre-season and start the championship around April The last seven or eight weeks have been very enjoyable as a Kerry fan because games against top quality opposition have been coming thick and fast. All we will have between the end of the league and the Cork game is a win over Tipperary from which neither side will learn much and speculation about how various players are shaping up in training. The August bank holiday weekend has become the start of the championship proper. There is something wrong with that The players want more games. The fans want more games. Give us more championship games!
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Post by Kingdomson on Apr 5, 2012 20:14:26 GMT
The Kerry Senior Football Team Thursday, 05 April 2012 21:02 | The Kerry Senior Football Team V Mayo on Easter Sunday 8th April 2012 at 2.30pm in Austin Stack Park, Tralee. Allianz League.
1. Brian Kelly (Legion) 2. Shane Enright (Tarbert) 3. Killian Young (Renard) 4. Brian McGuire (Listowel Emmett’s) 5. Peter Crowley (Laune Rangers) 6. Eoin Brosnan (Dr. Crokes) 7. Jonathan Lyne (Legion) 8. Anthony Maher (Duagh) 9. Kieran Donaghy (Austin Stacks)
10. David O’Callaghan (St Pat’s Blennerville) 11. Barry John Keane (Kerins O’Rahillys) 12. Johnny Buckley (Dr. Crokes) 13. Colm Cooper (Captain) (Dr. Crokes) 14. Patrick Curtin (Moyvane) 15. Kieran O’Leary (Dr. Crokes)
Substitutes:
16. Brendan Kealy (Kilcummin)
17. Marc Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht) 18. Paul Galvin (Finuge) 19. Aidan O’Mahony (Rathmore)
20. Declan O’Sullivan (Piarsaigh Na Dromada) 21. Bryan Sheehan (St. Mary’s) 22. Darran O’Sullivan (Glenbeigh/Glencar)
23. James O’Donoghue (Legion) 24. Michael Geaney (Daingean Uí Chúis) 25. Daithí Casey (Dr. Crokes)
26. Fionn Fitzgerald (Dr. Crokes) 27. Donnchdha Walsh (Cromane)
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Post by Kingdomson on Apr 5, 2012 20:23:07 GMT
Good to see the experimentation continues. We have qualified already for the knockout stages so it is only common sense to test out further our reserves. This will stand to us before the year is out. Our bench is seriously strong for Sunday – unusual to see so much gold this side of Fort Knox!
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Post by longball2 on Apr 5, 2012 20:23:30 GMT
Some amount of changes. It will be interesting to see how they go. Donaghy midfield. Very experimental half forward line. Plenty of fellows getting chances and Mayo need something from the game.
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Post by seamo on Apr 5, 2012 20:44:34 GMT
Don't want to sound unpatriotic!!! But Mayo should be licking their lips with the oppertunity to turn Kerry over on their own patch. I've been calling for Tomas Mac to get more time in goals all the league, so I'm going to at least be consistent and wonder why he isn't playing. Mayo have plenty of good forwards (remember game isn't on in Croke Park!!), why is Aidan O Mahoney not starting if he is to be our championship FB? Half Back line is good, Crowley and Lyne deserve their chances to build on previous good performances. Mayo half backline is very strong, 3 boys are going to have to be on their games. Lets hope the shuffling pays off in a win.
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Post by 1970mike on Apr 5, 2012 21:17:43 GMT
wow, some team, looks like all the big boys on the bench... but as its a game that matters little to Kerrys position why not experiment, it will be a though week for me living in Mayo if Kerry loose, but if so I think, Kerry , Cork, Mayo and Down for semis.......cute hoorish to keep the Dubs out!
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 5, 2012 21:18:30 GMT
Jaysas.... Jack must have suffered a bit of frost damage after the warm snap last week!
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Post by Kingdomson on Apr 5, 2012 21:23:07 GMT
Don't want to sound unpatriotic!!! But Mayo should be licking their lips with the oppertunity to turn Kerry over on their own patch. I've been calling for Tomas Mac to get more time in goals all the league, so I'm going to at least be consistent and wonder why he isn't playing. Mayo have plenty of good forwards (remember game isn't on in Croke Park!!), why is Aidan O Mahoney not starting if he is to be our championship FB? Half Back line is good, Crowley and Lyne deserve their chances to build on previous good performances. Mayo half backline is very strong, 3 boys are going to have to be on their games. Lets hope the shuffling pays off in a win. Its a performance we are looking for not the result. If we can win we will take it but it is not the be all and end all. All the pressure is on Mayo for the result while we’re giving our young fellas the ideal opportunity in front of the home crowd to gain valuable experience.
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Post by seamo on Apr 5, 2012 21:50:29 GMT
Don't want to sound unpatriotic!!! But Mayo should be licking their lips with the oppertunity to turn Kerry over on their own patch. I've been calling for Tomas Mac to get more time in goals all the league, so I'm going to at least be consistent and wonder why he isn't playing. Mayo have plenty of good forwards (remember game isn't on in Croke Park!!), why is Aidan O Mahoney not starting if he is to be our championship FB? Half Back line is good, Crowley and Lyne deserve their chances to build on previous good performances. Mayo half backline is very strong, 3 boys are going to have to be on their games. Lets hope the shuffling pays off in a win. Its a performance we are looking for not the result. If we can win we will take it but it is not the be all and end all. All the pressure is on Mayo for the result while we’re giving our young fellas the ideal opportunity in front of the home crowd to gain valuable experience. True, and I'm sure they will gain from it, and Kerry will gain from it....in a couple of years! lol Mac an Stoir, Aidan @ FB, would be of far greater benefit right now for this year. O Callaghan, Keane and Buckley would benefit more if one of them wasn't starting and instead a veteran in the half forward line like 1 of the O Sullivans/Galvin were starting. The Mayo half back line is very good and likes to attack. This won't help Crowley or Lyne either. It could all work out completly different from how I envisage, I hope it does. But I think it's too extreme an experimentation.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Apr 5, 2012 22:00:32 GMT
This adds a bit more interest for the fans and I can't wait. And am I the first to welcome King Colm back to the fold?
Will be really interested to see how he and Curtin play together.
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Post by mossie on Apr 5, 2012 23:06:49 GMT
i agree with some of your views seamo, I would have gone with mc an stoir and mahony as well. If Mahony is earmarked for full back for the summer he needs every game that he can get there. I would also like to have seen Eoin Brosnan rested for a game. He took little or no rest after crokes exit to crossmaglen and i would also have delayed the Gooch's comeback until the league semi finals. I am not sure what is to be gained from playing Gooch is what is a dead rubber league game for us v Mayo. James O'Donoghue must be disappointed at getting little or no game time. Still one better not be too critical of Jack as the new players like Maguire, Crowley, Curtin, lyne have got loads games as have newish players like Enright and BJ Keane Its a performance we are looking for not the result. If we can win we will take it but it is not the be all and end all. All the pressure is on Mayo for the result while we’re giving our young fellas the ideal opportunity in front of the home crowd to gain valuable experience. True, and I'm sure they will gain from it, and Kerry will gain from it....in a couple of years! lol Mac an Stoir, Aidan @ FB, would be of far greater benefit right now for this year. O Callaghan, Keane and Buckley would benefit more if one of them wasn't starting and instead a veteran in the half forward line like 1 of the O Sullivans/Galvin were starting. The Mayo half back line is very good and likes to attack. This won't help Crowley or Lyne either. It could all work out completly different from how I envisage, I hope it does. But I think it's too extreme an experimentation.
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Post by mossie on Apr 5, 2012 23:09:25 GMT
anyone think Mayo odds of 5\2 to win and 11\10 (+2) are attractive??!!!
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Post by kerryeye on Apr 5, 2012 23:13:47 GMT
Where has Brian Kelly come from can anyone answer me?(Btw I know who he is,just wondering why he's there ahead of Mac an tSaoir )Has Tomas Mac an tSaoir been dropped off the panel or are they trying out a third keeper does anyone know?If Mac an tSaoir hasn't been dropped of the panel it seems crazy to me as he needed the game time.Strange call to me anyway.
As regards the rest of the team I'm happy enough with the changes,the players who need the breaks are getting them and it's worth throwing these lads in at the deep end,none of them are 18 or 19,there all 22-25 years of age so if they cant cut it now on their own I'd have no hope for them.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 6, 2012 1:04:08 GMT
Of course the team selection is a puzzle, only those involved know the 'inside the camp' details. My take is that JackO is pitching them equally with Mayo, as best he can. A tight game gives greater intensity so you find out how new lads respond (v react) under pressure. Mayo play a nice brand of football and both teams bring out the best in each other so it could be a competitive game if the weather permits. I suppose the quality bench is 'the kicker' if we fall behind and a few of them would turn it around handy enough if need be.
It is very encouraging to see so many new lads making their presence felt and that is key to winning Sam; of c we are all very loyal to the stalwarts and everybody wants the best team on the field. Is this year a Vintage Crop of new blood? If the blanket defense raises it's ugly head then it is fresh legs all the way. See JackO's job ain't that simple either and he has lots of uncertainty to contend with. Anyway great to be back on here with you all and here's to No 37!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 6, 2012 1:15:12 GMT
Obviously the Gooch can take the shorter frees but how about further out and 45s? Would I be right in saying Johnny Buckley will probably take the 45s? Or Kelly??!
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Post by greengold35 on Apr 6, 2012 8:23:26 GMT
Interesting selection to be sure! Kelly coming into goals is a surprise and for Mac an Tsaoir must be a kick in the teeth; he did not impress me against Laois so maybe now is the time to try somebody new; Kelly has been spoken about for some time as a future senior keeper so maybe now is the right time to see.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 6, 2012 8:56:19 GMT
Is Tomás Mac an tSaoir injured?
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Post by Laoch na hImeartha on Apr 6, 2012 9:50:53 GMT
When was the last time we started a league or championship game without a Gaeltacht man playing?
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Post by sullyschoice on Apr 6, 2012 11:35:59 GMT
anyone think Mayo odds of 5\2 to win and 11\10 (+2) are attractive??!!! Yes
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Post by sullyschoice on Apr 6, 2012 11:38:15 GMT
Sorry, but thats too much for my liking. I am all for experimenting a small bit during the league, but all at once is too much.
Good to see Donnacha Walshe back on the panel.
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Post by Joxer on Apr 6, 2012 12:07:34 GMT
Brilliant!....makes for a very interesting match!...well done Jack....
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Post by Kingdomson on Apr 6, 2012 12:26:48 GMT
Brilliant!....makes for a very interesting match!...well done Jack.... Here, here!!
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Post by ddtinexile on Apr 6, 2012 13:28:22 GMT
If we beat Mayo with this team we'll win the next 3 All Irelands which i hope we will. Tis up to the young fellas to prove they are up to the required standard. This is a tough Mayo team and Austin Stack Park will suit them so looking forward to see how the young guns perform. This game will answer a few questions no doubt about that. Good man Jack.
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Post by mikelyster on Apr 6, 2012 13:35:07 GMT
I don't get why some people are getting so worked up about this team. Lads on here who were calling for "experimentation" in the first place are now giving out about it... I find that hilarious! I think it is a great team, lads are getting the chance in front of a home crowd to show they have the mettle to be a Kerry senior. As was pointed out above these boys are not 18 year old kids, they are men into their twenties and if they can't cut it now in a league game at home against Mayo then they never will.
Another point I would like to make is regards Aidan O'Mahony and the full back position. People wondering why he isn't playing if he is going to be our full back for the Summer... Well ye have answered your own question there. Jack and co obviously feel Aidan won't be full back for the Championship and I agree with them. Bohan is probably ahead of him in that position and in all honesty Marc will probably end up manning the number 3 jersey come championship time. I am delighted to see Killian there, think he can do a job there. I would have really been worried if O'Mahony was to be our full back for the year, he lacks the pace and he fouls far too much to play there. An outstanding half back as we know though.
Great to see the Gooch back, he will make sure we stay competitive in this game if the ball goes in and it should as I reckon Maher and Donaghy will more then hold their own in the middle. Colm and Curtin on paper look a lethal combination and I hope it works out. Kieran O'Leary for me will have to put in a decent display on Sunday, I think he his slightly falling behind the pack with regards earning a starting place for Championship. I personally feel O'Callaghan could be out of his depth but he is in great form for his club and deserves a chance. Centre forward is BJ Keane's best position and I hope we see a stormer from him linking the play between midfield and full forward.
I can't wait for this game. Like the Laois game it will put an extra pep in the step going into Stack Park for what would have otherwise been a meaningless game to us. We are in the semis and can't be knocked off top spot. It has already been a great league in my opinion minus the Armagh blip and Tomas' indiscipline.
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Post by veteran on Apr 6, 2012 14:13:01 GMT
I am pleased that Jack has picked such an experimental team even it means a defeat. While a victory is good for the soul, the fact that we have already qualified means that a defeat is not end of the world. I suppose other counties will be peeved at the perceived weakness of the team because the result could have an impact on their fortune but that is the way of the world.
I thought Tomas Mac tSaoir would get another airing after a less than convincing display against Laois but Jack has decided against it. Perhaps, Tomas is unavailable for some reason.
In my view, this game is more important for Shane Enright than any other player on the team. His form has dipped this year but if he displays the tenacity and brio of 2011 next Sunday, then he is back in the running for a championship place. Brian McGuire is more at home at wing back but obviously Jack is anxious to accommodate Jonathan Lyne, which is understandable. Peter Crowley is likely to be kept busy by Alan Dillon and if he can subdue this fine player he will do his cause no end of good.
I am not a fan of KD at midfield but options are limited for us in this area.
Johnny Buckley played well against Laois but overall the half forward line is light weight.
The full forward line is dripping with class. Presumably, Colm will take most of the frees but I am not sure who will assume Bryan's role for the long range ones.
Mayo will be fighting for their lives and they have a good recent NFL record against us. In those circumstances, one would expect them to win. On the other hand, it will be a notable achievement if Kerry come out on top with so many neophytes on board. Not to be missed.
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Post by mozzy on Apr 6, 2012 14:44:01 GMT
Great side some of these players will be making up our future kerry team and that starts today. Hopefully there will be no major panic and that each player gets time out on the field without substitutions coming too soon. I bet these lads let loose and have a great day out no matter what the result.
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Post by seamo on Apr 6, 2012 15:24:50 GMT
I don't get why some people are getting so worked up about this team. Lads on here who were calling for "experimentation" in the first place are now giving out about it... I find that hilarious! I think it is a great team, lads are getting the chance in front of a home crowd to show they have the mettle to be a Kerry senior. As was pointed out above these boys are not 18 year old kids, they are men into their twenties and if they can't cut it now in a league game at home against Mayo then they never will. Another point I would like to make is regards Aidan O'Mahony and the full back position. People wondering why he isn't playing if he is going to be our full back for the Summer... Well ye have answered your own question there. Jack and co obviously feel Aidan won't be full back for the Championship and I agree with them. Bohan is probably ahead of him in that position and in all honesty Marc will probably end up manning the number 3 jersey come championship time. I am delighted to see Killian there, think he can do a job there. I would have really been worried if O'Mahony was to be our full back for the year, he lacks the pace and he fouls far too much to play there. An outstanding half back as we know though. Great to see the Gooch back, he will make sure we stay competitive in this game if the ball goes in and it should as I reckon Maher and Donaghy will more then hold their own in the middle. Colm and Curtin on paper look a lethal combination and I hope it works out. Kieran O'Leary for me will have to put in a decent display on Sunday, I think he his slightly falling behind the pack with regards earning a starting place for Championship. I personally feel O'Callaghan could be out of his depth but he is in great form for his club and deserves a chance. Centre forward is BJ Keane's best position and I hope we see a stormer from him linking the play between midfield and full forward. I can't wait for this game. Like the Laois game it will put an extra pep in the step going into Stack Park for what would have otherwise been a meaningless game to us. We are in the semis and can't be knocked off top spot. It has already been a great league in my opinion minus the Armagh blip and Tomas' indiscipline. Sounds like your someone who's easily amused so! If our 1st choice goalkeeper gets injured/suspended during championship, our 2nd choice will have very little experience....... but fear not , because if our 2nd choice goalkeeper gets injured/suspended, our 3rd choice will have no less experience then our inexperienced 2nd choice goalkeeper!! Likewise @ fullback we would seem to have the experienced and always dependable Marc O Se as 1st choice. Yet if Marc was to get injured (perish the day! ) it's a lucky dip of more players who haven't been allowed or able to have a run of games there for proposes of experience. Bohane, inexperienced because of injury; Aidan inexperienced because we want to have a 4th choice full back!! With that 4th choice being Killian, who in all honesty is probably our best half-back after Tomas. Giving game time to your 2nd choice GK = experimenation. Finding a FB other then Marc O Se = experimentation. All done and said, hope Kerry do the business on Sunday. It could be a good sign for 2013 and beyond, but none/minimal benefit for this years championship.
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Post by JOAN on Apr 6, 2012 16:00:13 GMT
Best of luck to all.Glad to see some young lads getting a run
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