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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 28, 2012 17:05:31 GMT
You've reached your quota of soccer references... Less of your lip sonny jim or you'll be getting a free transfer to the Kilkenny Gaelic Football forum! ;D ;D
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 28, 2012 21:32:14 GMT
Surely any potential up coming tie between Kerry and Dublin in the League run in should be brought to Killarney. 35 thousand in killarney for a league final with the Dubs would be special. There is no way this potential tie should be played in Croker!
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Post by delorean on Mar 29, 2012 8:56:05 GMT
I was just looking through the remaining fixtures there, and although a lot of the games are difficult to call, I suspect the semi finals will be:
Kerry v Dublin Cork v Down
Relegated:
Mayo Laois
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Mar 29, 2012 17:35:10 GMT
Surely any potential up coming tie between Kerry and Dublin in the League run in should be brought to Killarney. 35 thousand in killarney for a league final with the Dubs would be special. There is no way this potential tie should be played in Croker! That would be great. But you and I know that the GAC want to have every Dublin game in Croker because it's supposedly more money, though I suspect it's because they don't like the logistics of large crowds travelling to any other stadium, or something like that. Dublin-Kerry league final would bring 50-60,000 to Croker, but the semi only 30-40. So Killarney would get 30,000 at least I would say
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Mar 29, 2012 23:26:51 GMT
If it's a Kerry Cork final, it might well be played in Munster, but that would mean the Div 2 finalists won't get to play at HQ.
I know the semi finals give more teams a chance to qualify, and prevent dead rubbers. But will there honestly be many Cork or Kerry fans for a semi (or final) in Croke Park? I was at the 2010 finals and the Cork support that day was very poor.
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Post by mossie on Mar 30, 2012 1:06:35 GMT
I wonder if the 1997 NFL final agreement has any relevance now given that is so long ago? would cork be agreeable to come to killarney or would they insist on a toss?? Limerick might be option too but for me a kerry or a cork venue for any such final would be the only sensible option. however, croke park might not see it that way and it wouldnt surprise me in the slighest to see them fix it for croke park. also, wonder a kerry v cork final involve a lot of shadow boxing??? anyway its all a bit presumptous to be talking about a kerry v cork final. I say the dream final for the GAA would be a kerry v dublin final. a real money spinner for the GAA. I d say the GAA would pair it up with Tyrone v Galway\Kildare and seek to sell out Croke Park. I d prefer a kerry v dublin final as i think kerry v cork could involve a bit of shadow boxing If Kerry and Cork get to the NFL final will it be played in Killarney as per the arrangement between Cork and Kerry for the 1997 NFL Final played in Pairc Ui Chaoimh?
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 30, 2012 7:38:07 GMT
the bean counters will have the final say and there aint that many beans to count at the moment so i cant see anything other than Croke Park for such games
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 30, 2012 8:06:52 GMT
Kerry v Cork has become quite sickly at this stage, I think another tie between the two counties is the last thing either county or Croke Park need in a League Final. Cant really see myself getting motivated to travel up to Dublin to see both teams playing in a final up there.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Mar 30, 2012 8:23:26 GMT
It's not so presumptious anyway. Both Kerry and Cork are in the semis. Down look very good for it as you would expect them to beat Laois.
No sequence of results can prevent Cork from qualifying other than Mayo having at least one very big win against Dublin or Kerry and Dublin beating Cork heavily, and/or Armagh winning by about 20 points away to Donegal (along with Down winning), and that whole combination is so unlikely as to be ruled out. Dublin need at least a draw in Castlebar or Cork. And they certainly don't want to be going to Cork needing something just to reach a league semi, as it would then involve a huge effort, and none of the top teams want to be having to produce anything like that at this stage.
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Post by lorr29 on Mar 31, 2012 14:18:49 GMT
If Kerry and Cork get to the NFL final will it be played in Killarney as per the arrangement between Cork and Kerry for the 1997 NFL Final played in Pairc Ui Chaoimh? Memories. People. Long.Some. Have. Very. Getting. Of. Danger. Of. Ourselves. Ahead. In. If there was a like button I would press it, brilliant comment and actually very true... ;D
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 31, 2012 19:45:33 GMT
Kerry v Cork has become quite sickly at this stage, I think another tie between the two counties is the last thing either county or Croke Park need in a League Final. Cant really see myself getting motivated to travel up to Dublin to see both teams playing in a final up there. I wouldn't mind. Any game where Kerry can put one over Cork is a game worth going to for me. Mayo hammering Dublin tonight has thrown it all open again.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 31, 2012 19:47:06 GMT
Anyone else thinks the Mayo game is a game for massive experimenting. If we lose it means Mayo can get to the semi and we might even have an easier semi that way. If we win with a lot of experiments it teaches us even more about our options.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 31, 2012 20:23:42 GMT
Losing team from Dublin V Cork likely to lose out after next weekends games.
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Post by falveyb2k on Mar 31, 2012 22:50:49 GMT
When is the mayo game? Saturday or Sunday?
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Apr 1, 2012 15:52:13 GMT
Sunday April 8th, 2012 2 30 PM ALLIANZ FOOTBALL LEAGUE ROINN 1 2012 ROUND 7 Laois vs.Down Portlaoise 2 30 PM ALLIANZ FOOTBALL LEAGUE ROINN 1 2012 ROUND 7 Kerry vs .Mayo Austin Stack Park 2 30 PM ALLIANZ FOOTBALL LEAGUE ROINN 1 2012 ROUND 7 Cork vs .Dublin Páirc Uí Chaoimh 2 30 PM ALLIANZ FOOTBALL LEAGUE ROINN 1 2012 ROUND 7 Donegal vs. Armagh Ballybofey
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Post by mikelyster on Apr 1, 2012 15:57:48 GMT
This is a bit off point but John Galvin had to leave the pitch in Limerick's draw with Fermanagh with a serious looking knee injury. Hopefully for the poor lad it isn't the cruciate again. Would be a shame not to see his midfield abilities again this year.
The cruciate injury is becoming nearly impossible for lads to fully recover from. Maybe an amateur player's body can not simply get back to the heights of being a modern day Gaelic footballer. Please god it isn't the cruciate anyway.
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Post by Kingdomson on Apr 1, 2012 18:51:09 GMT
This is a bit off point but John Galvin had to leave the pitch in Limerick's draw with Fermanagh with a serious looking knee injury. Hopefully for the poor lad it isn't the cruciate again. Would be a shame not to see his midfield abilities again this year. The cruciate injury is becoming nearly impossible for lads to fully recover from. Maybe an amateur player's body can not simply get back to the heights of being a modern day Gaelic footballer. Please god it isn't the cruciate anyway. Pity to hear this. John Galvin is a great footballer - wouldn't we love to have had him with us. The dreaded cruciate? I hope not for his sake. It must be extra difficult playing in midfield with all the leaping and bounding about, it has to put a lot of extra stress on the cruciate.
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Post by southward on Apr 1, 2012 21:33:13 GMT
The cruciate thing seems to be getting worse by the week. This year's Young Scientist Exhibition featured a study which found that the vast majority of knee, and particularly cruciate, injuries involved players wearing blades. Apparently blades are banned at Old Trafford.
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Post by seamo on Apr 1, 2012 21:39:45 GMT
This is a bit off point but John Galvin had to leave the pitch in Limerick's draw with Fermanagh with a serious looking knee injury. Hopefully for the poor lad it isn't the cruciate again. Would be a shame not to see his midfield abilities again this year. The cruciate injury is becoming nearly impossible for lads to fully recover from. Maybe an amateur player's body can not simply get back to the heights of being a modern day Gaelic footballer. Please god it isn't the cruciate anyway. What a great footballer. A thorn in Kerry's side many's the day, but a joy to watch. Hope it isn't too serious and we get to see a genuine footballer light up the championship, rather then these protocol gym rats that are becoming more and more popular in modern gaelic football.
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Post by seamo on Apr 1, 2012 21:51:22 GMT
The cruciate thing seems to be getting worse by the week. This year's Young Scientist Exhibition featured a study which found that the vast majority of knee, and particularly cruciate, injuries involved players wearing blades. Apparently blades are banned at Old Trafford. Yeah I've heard that said alot about blades. No idea how accurate it is, but certainly something worth studying. Alot more research has been done in OZ with regards the ACL injury. Where we are at now with it, they were ~10 years ago, and now they see a slight decrease in the prevalence of the injury and a quicker recovery time. Something the GAA should look into and avail of what others have researched.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 1, 2012 22:18:18 GMT
MALACHY CLERKIN
GAELIC GAMES: WHEN THE candy-floss fog settled over McHale Park back in February and nixed the second half of the original stab Mayo and Dublin took at their league encounter, you’d have had a hard time convincing those in the stands they’d next see each other at the tail-end of a heatwave.
Or that by the time it came around, neither team would be clear as to where their campaign was going to end up. Or that the Mayo County Board wouldn’t be charging a penny on the gate whether you were at the first match or not. Yet that’s where we are, seven weeks older and not a great deal the wiser.
In keeping with the hotch-potch division as a whole, both Mayo and Dublin have lost matches they might have won and scratched points out of tight situations on nights that weren’t their nights. Pat Gilroy said all along the league structure would mean teams finding themselves getting to the business end of the campaign with an equal chance of being relegated and making the play-offs, which is precisely where Mayo find themselves.
Win tonight and they can play with relative abandon next Sunday in Kerry, a semi-final spot within their grasp and plenty of clear water between them and trouble. Lose this one though and they’re in for a nervous journey down the west coast.
Dublin don’t have relegation to worry about but the defeat in Newry a fortnight ago has left them vulnerable to missing out on the semi-finals.
Gilroy has no strong feelings one way or the other about winning the league but he does want the extra two games that would be involved. A defeat tonight and he’ll have to go to Cork next weekend in search of a win.
“It’s an important game,” he says. “These last two games are tough and you want to get the two points because it will get out at least another game after it. If we’re getting good, competitive matches that’s where we want to be. We’ll have a good team out and we’ll be going for it to try and get the play-off place. It would allow you to use more players then if we could get a couple more games. You get so few matches that you’re always looking for more.”
Dublin have Barry Cahill back starting his first game since the All-Ireland final but look likely to be without Alan Brogan for the next month as his calf strain is more serious than first thought. Time was, a man in Gilroy’s position would be hoping to get to the end of the league with as many of his championship 15 nailed to the mast as possible. Not these days. There’s just too big a gap between the end of the league and the start of the serious stuff.
The league final is on April 29th, their first Leinster Championship game is on June 3rd, with another month after that until the provincial semi-final, assuming they reach it. That’s two games in 12 weeks after the league decider and they’d still only be in a Leinster final. He can take or leave winning the league – intra-squad matches are where his team will be picked.“I wouldn’t say the league has nothing to do with the summer but from my point of view the league is most important to make sure you have the right number of resources and that you develop some extra bits of ways of playing. The most important part is that you develop your whole squad so that you have two guys for every position. We’ve tried a few fellas in positions they haven’t played before throughout this league so that just gives us a few different options.
“Going into the All-Ireland last year, we weren’t bad on the option front but we were tight in certain positions and we’ve been really trying to develop that through the league. So I don’t think winning the league necessarily sets you up for the championship.”
He’d hardly turn his nose up at it all the same.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 1, 2012 22:20:14 GMT
The bit in bold above is the most salient point i've read in a while.
The Dubs will get themselves up to championship pace in intra squad games and the league form will be a distant memory in August and September.
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Post by buck02 on Apr 2, 2012 11:07:33 GMT
While last years league final defeat allowed Dublin to ask a lot of questions about themselves and was an important part of their subsequent all ireland victory.
Its called spin Mick Mack. Gilroy is getting his excuses in early for their failures in the league (most notably against Down and Mayo). Cork will probably win next Sunday and knock Dublin out and those 2 extra games will be gone out the window for Dublin.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Apr 2, 2012 11:44:26 GMT
Dublin appear to be consistent in their inconsistency, defeats to Kerry, Down and Mayo. The defeat to Kerry is excusable, however when teams that they would be expecting to beat, such as Down and mayo, turn up with real fire in the bellies, Dublin haven't been able to match them. I was very surprised at the manner of their defeat on Saturday night, the body language wasn't right. I don't suppose they'll lose too much sleep over it though. Whilst I have no doubt that Dublin will be there in August, I just wonder if what appears to be happening to them at the moment is a portent of things to come later on in the championship. Winning an all Ireland is a physical and mental drain, is it beginning to show? Certainly their discipline isn't what it has been.
What to make of Mayo? Three defeats on the trot, albeit an unfortunate loss against Cork, and a resounding win over Dublin. A win in Tralee next Sunday is not inconcieveable, given that it is a nothing game as far as Kerry are concerned. It may also be an opportunity for Kerry to ensure that one of either Cork or Dublin don't qualify for the semi finals. I believe mayo beat Cork handsomely a few years ago in the last round of the league, this qualifying them for the final against cork, instead of Dublin. Of course, in the league final Cork hammered mayo. Makes you wonder what Jacks thinking will be this week?
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 2, 2012 13:02:52 GMT
I think Jack's policy will be to maintain momentum and look for a win on Sunday.
It has been suprising to see so many of the Dublin players absent since last Septembers final, 2012 should be a novelty year for the Dublin players.
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Post by animal on Apr 2, 2012 13:16:33 GMT
I think Jack's policy will be to maintain momentum and look for a win on Sunday. It has been suprising to see so many of the Dublin players absent since last Septembers final, 2012 should be a novelty year for the Dublin players. He experimented a little bit more than I had expected for the Laois game which arguably was the more important to win. He may experiment again but with the victory in mind. A good opportunity for lads to stake a claim. We may even see Colm back in action. Now wouldn't that be a nice Easter treat?
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Apr 2, 2012 20:17:09 GMT
Shocking performance by us in Castlebar, a shambles. Everyone here I'm sure knows my thoughts about the league, I cannot see any way a team that fails to have a good league (in this case at least making the top 4) can hope to turn it on in the championship (by which I mean August on). The stats don't lie and are quite overwhelming. Yes some teams that have won a couple of leagues and All-Is can cherry pick their year to some extent, and need to in order to allow sufficient physical & mental recuperation, but I cannot see it applying to a team that just won one. In any event as we all know winning back-to-back All-Is has only been achieved by Kerry in 21 years. Well done to Mayo and perhaps they are building towards a serious challenge in the summer. I feel though they must qualify for the league semis.
Somewhat surprised and disappointed to read posters here casually discussing the idea of what amounts to allowing Mayo to win to ensure the knocking out of another team. Blame the format if you like, but I feel that's a terrible attitude to have, cynicism of the lowest order. Not that Kerry should want to be playing their A-game or risking very important players IF they want to win the league, of course. But still.............
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Post by seamo on Apr 2, 2012 20:40:18 GMT
While last years league final defeat allowed Dublin to ask a lot of questions about themselves and was an important part of their subsequent all ireland victory. Its called spin Mick Mack. Gilroy is getting his excuses in early for their failures in the league (most notably against Down and Mayo). Cork will probably win next Sunday and knock Dublin out and those 2 extra games will be gone out the window for Dublin. Hit nail on head! Spin, excuses call it what you will. Gilroy would have much preferred to win league games, get to league final and maybe win it. Getting knocked out in the league stage is not what he planned/wanted. This really shows though how much they struggle once they cross the boarder!!! Luckily for them the GAA will never make them play a championship game outside of Dublin.
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Post by peanuts on Apr 2, 2012 21:16:47 GMT
If I was a Dublin fan I would be worried about one thing after the Mayo game and that is their kick out strategy. That was the first time that I've seen a team other than Kerry put the Dublin kick outs under so much pressure with the result that Mayo monopolised possession. I had wondered previoulsy (to myself) why other teams didn't adopt this strategy. I'd expect every team to do it to Dublin in the championship and I wonder how will they cope?
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Post by seamo on Apr 2, 2012 21:40:35 GMT
If I was a Dublin fan I would be worried about one thing after the Mayo game and that is their kick out strategy. That was the first time that I've seen a team other than Kerry put the Dublin kick outs under so much pressure with the result that Mayo monopolised possession. I had wondered previoulsy (to myself) why other teams didn't adopt this strategy. I'd expect every team to do it to Dublin in the championship and I wonder how will they cope? It's a great strategy by them. But for fu$k sake it's been going on 2 long now!!! With all the stats men and the rest you'd think intercounty managers would have a system in place to challenge and disrupt the Dublin kickouts by now! Granted it's easier said then done, but teams have been slow to challenge the tactic/ploy.
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